Werewolf CLXVI - The Drenai Saga (GAME OVER - VILLAGE WINS!)

[path12]

Been a while since most of us have played.

:D True.

[EagleFan]

Come on EF. Even if I was scum with GE, I'd still throw him under the bus instead of dying. You can do better than that.

Wanted to see you do that. :)

[timmae]

I switched mine over.. GE. Are you talking about brit?

[The Jackal]

Deadline

[The Jackal]

Final Vote Count:

6 - GoldenEagle - Zinto (80), Narcizo (166), Suicane75 (177), path12 (204), timmae (240), fontisian (244)
5 - fontisian - HomerSimpson98 (180), Raven (192), Grover (214), GoldenEagle (223), EagleFan (242)
2 - Suicane75 - Chief Rum (174), JAG (216)
1 - timmae - britrock88 (152)
1 - Raven - cheekimonk (239)

[path12]

I switched mine over.. GE. Are you talking about brit?

D'oh. Yep.

OK, dinner time. Back later. Hope we get one though likely we didn't.

[The Jackal]

As the sun dips beneath the distant valley, you finally come to a decision. GoldenEagle is forced to his knees to await his fate. A sword is then plunged through his heart expertly, dropping him to the cobbled floor.

As the dark magic recedes from his form, you recognize the face. GoldenEagle was a common soldier.

[GoldenEagle]

Two games in a row I have essentially been voted out on Day 1. Fun game.

[The Jackal]

Two games in a row I have essentially been voted out on Day 1. Fun game.

(siren music) (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=56490&page=34)

[The Jackal]

As you wake, you realize that another of your company has left for the Void.

Narcizo was a common soldier.

[The Jackal]

Day 2 has begun. Who are the infiltrators?

[EagleFan]

Interesting choice by the wolves.

[britrock88]

Dammit, no easy vote analysis. Sorry to see you go, Narc! :)

[EagleFan]

vote saldana

[EagleFan]

6 - GoldenEagle - Zinto (80), Narcizo (166), Suicane75 (177), path12 (204), timmae (240), fontisian (244)
5 - fontisian - HomerSimpson98 (180), Raven (192), Grover (214), GoldenEagle (223), EagleFan (242)
2 - Suicane75 - Chief Rum (174), JAG (216)
1 - timmae - britrock88 (152)
1 - Raven - cheekimonk (239)

[JAG]

Dammit, no easy vote analysis. Sorry to see you go, Narc! :)

Any chance you'll have time to put up a flowchart of the day's voting?

[JAG]

Vote Zinto

Still interested in Sui, but I'm going with someone who didn't gather momentum D1 and was on the villager lynch.

[cheekimonk]

Interesting. I'm leaning Suicane.

[EagleFan]

Post Time Voter Vote Unvote
76 4:07 Narcizo britrock88
80 7:04 Zinto GoldenEagle
81 7:11 JAG saldana
82 7:45 EagleFan Zinto
88 8:11 timmae Grover
96 9:57 Grover Suicane75
101 10:29 Chief Rum Raven
108 11:43 Raven Suicane75
112 11:57 cheekimonk timmae
123 12:25 Suicane75 Grover
128 12:28 britrock88 JAG
134 12:43 path12 britrock88
152 14:18 britrock88 timmae JAG
160 15:50 EagleFan Zinto
161 15:52 EagleFan Raven
163 15:57 JAG GoldenEagle saldana
166 16:25 Narcizo GoldenEagle britrock88
174 16:55 Chief Rum Suicane75 Raven
176 17:19 timmae JAG Grover
177 17:23 Suicane75 GoldenEagle Grover
180 18:06 HomerSimpson98 fontisian
189 18:35 JAG fontisian GoldenEagle
190 18:35 GoldenEagle Suicane75
192 18:42 Raven fontisian Suicane75
197 18:58 cheekimonk britrock88 timmae
204 19:11 path12 GoldenEagle britrock88
207 19:13 EagleFan GoldenEagle Grover
214 19:34 Grover fontisian Suicane75
216 20:02 JAG Suicane75 fontisian
223 20:25 GoldenEagle fontisian Suicane75
237 20:49 EagleFan Raven GoldenEagle
239 21:22 cheekimonk Raven britrock88
240 21:37 timmae GoldenEagle JAG
242 21:48 EagleFan fontisian Raven
244 21:54 fontisian GoldenEagle Raven

[path12]

Two games in a row I have essentially been voted out on Day 1. Fun game.

Sorry dude, I didn't know.

[path12]

Still interested in Sui, but I'm going with someone who didn't gather momentum D1 and was on the villager lynch.

I'll do the same but for someone who was on the second choice.

VOTE GROVER

[Suicane75]

Glad I made it through the day. And just to be clear, the run on GE had already started when I switched my vote to him out of preservation.

[Grover]

I'll do the same but for someone who was on the second choice.

VOTE GROVER

I knew it was a conspiracy.

Damn you, old man!

[timmae]

Now that day 1 is over... What do we think about EFs play? Typical for him as a villager?

Also, need to take a look why brit didn't move his vote.

[Grover]

Now that day 1 is over... What do we think about EFs play? Typical for him as a villager?

Also, need to take a look why brit didn't move his vote.

I'm also wondering if font was merely a survival move or if there's something more to her change.

[EagleFan]

Now that day 1 is over... What do we think about EFs play? Typical for him as a villager?

Also, need to take a look why brit didn't move his vote.

Vanilla villager. Would rather have the attention on me to give our roles a chance. Plus, it's fun.

Chances are the wolves weren't moving much yesterday based on the results.

[saldana]

hey all, really sorry for missing the day yesterday...ended up away from my desk/office all day and was with a customer, so couldnt check on my phone...will catch everything up today

[timmae]

Thanks Saldana... want to hear your thoughts for sure!

EF... consistent with the one game I reviewed of yours...

Brit?

[cheekimonk]

vote Suicane75

[JAG]

Post Time Voter Vote Unvote
76 4:07 Narcizo britrock88
80 7:04 Zinto GoldenEagle
81 7:11 JAG saldana
82 7:45 EagleFan Zinto
88 8:11 timmae Grover
96 9:57 Grover Suicane75
101 10:29 Chief Rum Raven
108 11:43 Raven Suicane75
112 11:57 cheekimonk timmae
123 12:25 Suicane75 Grover
128 12:28 britrock88 JAG
134 12:43 path12 britrock88
152 14:18 britrock88 timmae JAG
160 15:50 EagleFan Zinto
161 15:52 EagleFan Raven
163 15:57 JAG GoldenEagle saldana
166 16:25 Narcizo GoldenEagle britrock88
174 16:55 Chief Rum Suicane75 Raven
176 17:19 timmae JAG Grover
177 17:23 Suicane75 GoldenEagle Grover
180 18:06 HomerSimpson98 fontisian
189 18:35 JAG fontisian GoldenEagle
190 18:35 GoldenEagle Suicane75
192 18:42 Raven fontisian Suicane75
197 18:58 cheekimonk britrock88 timmae
204 19:11 path12 GoldenEagle britrock88
207 19:13 EagleFan GoldenEagle Grover
214 19:34 Grover fontisian Suicane75
216 20:02 JAG Suicane75 fontisian
223 20:25 GoldenEagle fontisian Suicane75
237 20:49 EagleFan Raven GoldenEagle
239 21:22 cheekimonk Raven britrock88
240 21:37 timmae GoldenEagle JAG
242 21:48 EagleFan fontisian Raven
244 21:54 fontisian GoldenEagle Raven

Thanks EF (except for coloring yourself green)

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

1 - saldana - EagleFan (264)
1 - Zinto - JAG (267)
1 - Grover - path12 (271)
1 - Suicane75 - cheekimonk (279)

[cheekimonk]

Sorry, meant to post my reason for the Suicane vote (on the iPhone via Tapatalk).

Day 1 he/she flipped to the GE pile-on. Wasn't extremely late but right about the time it picked up steam.

[saldana]

the thing i am most interested in from yesterday was the bouncing around on Font and Suicane..lots of votes and unvotes, but then GE still ended up getting a sword through the chest. that just seems odd to me that those 2 were on the spot and then it suddenly swung in a 3rd direction.

[Grover]

I moved to font because she seemed a little overly defensive about the voting process last night.

I am still very curious about my original vote on Suicane though. I think he's definitely a potential day two target for us lowly (french) vanillas.

[timmae]

unvote JAG
vote GoldenEagle

Initial post stating he was a vanilla villager seemed odd. Voted suicane as self preservation and raven jumped ship. Claimed day 1 is a crapshoot later on.

When I voted it was down to GE and Font... GE seemed to lean more evil based on the items listed in my post above. I now know he was honest in his claim.

Suicane's posts...

Frenchmen die at my hand. Also cause you voted for me.

Vote: Grover

In the real world I'd challenge you to a dance off, but on the mean streets of wherever this is, I can only throw a vote at you.

Unvote: Grover
Vote: GoldenEagle

Just self preservation since I don't know if I'll be around at deadline. Stop voting for me though, I'm a good guy. I'm a good guy dammit.

Then today's post

Glad I made it through the day. And just to be clear, the run on GE had already started when I switched my vote to him out of preservation.

And also Font's posts;

I didn't physically do it, but the whole "murder all the medics" was absolutely my plan. :)

Vote: Raven
This is not a drill.

This my way of saying that you over explained your RVS vote (... and also that snitches thing).

Leans toward good, trying to think through items?

Then there was the odd Zinto/Font conversation about answering for others'.

Then more analysis from font... would a wolf be doing this? Setting hints for future claims?

I'm doing a quick unaligned pairs analysis and of the five pairs I've found so far, four of them are next to each other alphabetically. It's bizarre.

More analysis

Did you see the way Chief ran away from the Raven lynch once it started to gain momentum?


You had three votes, Suicane had three, timmae had 2 and I had two. There was no clear counterwagon to yours, yet you went for the easiest one without any thought or analysis. Why?

Then EF put her vote on alert... it had only one place to go whether she is villager or wolf

Unvote Raven
Vote GoldenEagle

It makes me revert back to a time when font was a synonym for fuck.

My Analysis

I am thinking that font is leaning good. She was throwing in some analysis of the situations and voting patterns. More than I think a wolf would add to maintain cover. I don't like how quite suicane really was all day. Just kind of around... then an easy vote and poof. I am leaning towards voting suicane but I am not 100% decided. Place holder for now until suicane provides feedback:

vote suicane

[timmae]

Just want to add that I still think I need to look at other possibilities than font or suicane obviously but wanted to get some thoughts out there before I run off to a meeting.

[HomerSimpson98]

Very interesting that Narc was targeted. A quick perusal of his posts doesnt really implicate someone (IMO), but he was trying to get people to talk and communicate through his limited time. I was leaning towards this pointing to a veteran player, but upon more reflection, I can make the argument that a newb didn't like his ideas and wanted a more vocal person removed from the game.

All the late Raven play was interesting too.

[path12]

I'm also wondering if font was merely a survival move or if there's something more to her change.

IIRC she was tied with GE with 10 minutes to go. Why would she not move her vote in that case?

[Suicane75]

Vote: EagleFan

I'm not a very good WW player, I've decided. I'm not real good at going through vote history and deciphering stuff, but based on stuff that's been posted and theories, I'm going to go with the guy who is a veteran and had a weird ass day 1 jumping pattern.

Of course I'll probably have to change this at some point to save myself, but my gut is telling me that this fella is no good. My gut is also full of cheetos though.

[Suicane75]

god dammit.

Vote: EagleFan

[Chief Rum]

Very interesting that Narc was targeted. A quick perusal of his posts doesnt really implicate someone (IMO), but he was trying to get people to talk and communicate through his limited time. I was leaning towards this pointing to a veteran player, but upon more reflection, I can make the argument that a newb didn't like his ideas and wanted a more vocal person removed from the game.

All the late Raven play was interesting too.

Narcizo is, IMO, an underrated player who makes a strong impact in most games, even though his time for being on is different than ours. I suspect the wolves knew this and took him out before he could get going.

They also probably figured he wouldn't be BG'd.

[path12]

Sorry, meant to post my reason for the Suicane vote (on the iPhone via Tapatalk).

Day 1 he/she flipped to the GE pile-on. Wasn't extremely late but right about the time it picked up steam.

One thing I want to try and get to today is to update EF's timeline with the standings at the point of each vote because I also thought Suicane was tied at that point.

I have no way of knowing whether Suicane or fontisian are good or not, but votes in order to protect oneself are not very suspicious to me and is why I'm looking elsewhere.

[path12]

Narc is a big loss. I took that kill to mean there is at least one vet on the wolves.

[Chief Rum]

Narc is a big loss. I took that kill to mean there is at least one vet on the wolves.

Ditto.

[britrock88]

(vote chart)

You rock! :D

[britrock88]

Any chance you'll have time to put up a flowchart of the day's voting?

...maybe tomorrow. :)

[Chief Rum]

IIRC she was tied with GE with 10 minutes to go. Why would she not move her vote in that case?

I thought about that myself and looked back. It appears to me that it was only when EF and GE switched around in the last 20 or so minutes that it became clear that it was down to her and GE. Raven still had some momentum and was right there. She had her vote on Raven.

She sensibly moved her vote to GE in the last minutes when things became more clear.

Or at least that's how I read it. I wasn't there, being at work.

[britrock88]

Now that day 1 is over... What do we think about EFs play? Typical for him as a villager?

Also, need to take a look why brit didn't move his vote.

Timmae, here's the backstory...

Vote Count:

2 - Suicane75 - Grover (96), Raven (108)
2 - Grover - timmae (88), Suicane75 (123)
2 - britrock88 - Narcizo (76), path12 (134)
2 - Raven - Chief Rum (101), fontisian (145)
1 - GoldenEagle - Zinto (80)
1 - saldana - JAG (81)
1 - Zinto - EagleFan (82)
1 - timmae - cheekimonk (112)
1 - JAG - britrock88 (128)

But guyyyyyyyys...

Didn't I mention that I'm the seer and that timmae's a wolf? :D

unvote JAG
vote timmae

The vote on you was to consolidate, turning 2 1-vote candidates into a single 2-vote candidate.

^ was post 100 since Jackal began D1. Hoping people will be around toward deadline so the game can truly get underway... :)

(I have curling, so I'll either go dark for the last few hours before deadline or hop on in the last hour.)

And I was AFK until lynch after this. (The posts are all close in time.)

[Chief Rum]

No, it really is. When I ask someone a question, I want an answer from that person.

I am not moron. I understand how self-preservation works. There are also a number of strange factors that I want to know if he considered, because it helps me read him. You butting in gives him an answer he might not have thought of and lets him know what answers people find believable. Don't do it. Clear?

Also, Chief and Zinto, GE said he would likely check in before deadline. You're both overstating his level of absence.

Looking back further, though, I see this. This seems to me that she should have had her vote on GE all along. Why so passionate and yet no vote? No scans possible yet, and GE was a villager anyway.

[Chief Rum]

Did you see the way Chief ran away from the Raven lynch once it started to gain momentum?

You're seeing boogiemen where they ain't. This is Raven's second game and he is an old friend of mine. There was no way I was ever going to stay on him this early in the game unless someone else more or less proved he was a wolf.

[Suicane75]

Then why even put a vote on him? How was anyone going to prove he was a wolf on day 1?

[Chief Rum]

Then why even put a vote on him? How was anyone going to prove he was a wolf on day 1?

It's Day One?

[britrock88]

Post Time Voter Vote Count Unvote Count
76 4:07 Narcizo britrock88 1
80 7:04 Zinto GoldenEagle 1
81 7:11 JAG saldana 1
82 7:45 EagleFan Zinto 1
88 8:11 timmae Grover 1
96 9:57 Grover Suicane75 1
101 10:29 Chief Rum Raven 1
108 11:43 Raven Suicane75 2
112 11:57 cheekimonk timmae 1
123 12:25 Suicane75 Grover 2
128 12:28 britrock88 JAG 1
134 12:43 path12 britrock88 2
152 14:18 britrock88 timmae 2 JAG 0
160 15:50 EagleFan Zinto 0
161 15:52 EagleFan Raven 2
163 15:57 JAG GoldenEagle 2 saldana 0
166 16:25 Narcizo GoldenEagle 3 britrock88 1
174 16:55 Chief Rum Suicane75 3 Raven 1
176 17:19 timmae JAG 1 Grover 1
177 17:23 Suicane75 GoldenEagle 4 Grover 0
180 18:06 HomerSimpson98 fontisian 1
189 18:35 JAG fontisian 2 GoldenEagle 3
190 18:35 GoldenEagle Suicane75 4
192 18:42 Raven fontisian 3 Suicane75 3
197 18:58 cheekimonk britrock88 2 timmae 1
204 19:11 path12 GoldenEagle 4 britrock88 1
207 19:13 EagleFan GoldenEagle 5 Raven 0
214 19:34 Grover fontisian 4 Suicane75 2
216 20:02 JAG Suicane75 3 fontisian 3
223 20:25 GoldenEagle fontisian 4 Suicane75 2
237 20:49 EagleFan Raven 1 GoldenEagle 4
239 21:22 cheekimonk Raven 2 britrock88 0
240 21:37 timmae GoldenEagle 5 JAG 0
242 21:48 EagleFan fontisian 5 Raven 1
244 21:54 fontisian GoldenEagle 6 Raven 1

Updated with vote counts. :)

[britrock88]

Font and Sui coming out aggressively...

vote font

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

2 - Suicane75 - cheekimonk (279), timmae (285)
1 - saldana - EagleFan (264)
1 - Zinto - JAG (267)
1 - Grover - path12 (271)
1 - EagleFan - Suicane75 (290)
1 - fontisian - britrock88 (304)

[Suicane75]

It's Day One?

So you voted for someone you had no intention of voting for? I'm not accusing you anything yet, but that seems odd.

[Chief Rum]

So you voted for someone you had no intention of voting for? I'm not accusing you anything yet, but that seems odd.

I voted for someone I had a connection with for a pointless Day One reason, and I would have left it there if others didn't then also pile on him. I was the first to vote him, doing it earlier in the day.

Once it became clear he was in danger, I wasn't going to be a party to that, so I jumped off of him. Hope that makes sense.

[timmae]

Any vote is better than no vote. At least we can obtain additionalninformation when people are engaged.

[path12]

So you voted for someone you had no intention of voting for? I'm not accusing you anything yet, but that seems odd.

FWIW I treat day 1 in a similar way -- pick someone at random, see how the day goes and then end up on one of the main lynch contenders in order to provide vote analysis down the road (remember, my vote put GE in the lead, it was tied at that time). Not defending Chief but just my two cents -- day 1 votes are data points but it's hard to read those tea leaves with proper context until later in the game.

[britrock88]

Finally circling around to look at the tally. Interesting votes, IMO:

- JAG dropping GE from the lead into a tie with Suicane (and bringing Font within 1)
- Raven creating a 3-way tie among GE, Suicane, and Font by dropping Suicane out of the lead
- Path and EagleFan voting GE 2 up within 2 minutes of each other
- Grover elevating Font over Suicane as the alternative to GE
- JAG reversing Grover's option and tying Suicane and Font 2 behind
- EagleFan switching off GE to tie him with Font, then voting Font a bit later

Nothing particularly damning about any of these, but these stuck out to me as the highest-leverage votes of the day.

[cheekimonk]

So you voted for someone you had no intention of voting for? I'm not accusing you anything yet, but that seems odd.

I voted for timmae early because he's the one that invited me, then switched to brit to jump off timmae. Ultimately landing on Raven was more strategic when it became clear I was the only one standing on brit and, being new, I didn't want to be the a deciding vote on font or GE.

[Grover]

vote fontisian

For now I'm going to stick with my gut feeling from yesterday.

[EagleFan]

Thanks EF (except for coloring yourself green)

Just trying to help the cause... and making myself green shows everyone that they can trust me... except the wolves.... but they already knew that.

[fontisian]

I moved to font because she seemed a little overly defensive about the voting process last night.

I am still very curious about my original vote on Suicane though. I think he's definitely a potential day two target for us lowly (french) vanillas.
1. Bullshit. Quote a post before your vote for me that's defensive. When you fail to do so, please attempt to backtrack horribly and explain how you got that impression.
2.Why so self-conscious when explaining your own votes?

Looking back further, though, I see this. This seems to me that she should have had her vote on GE all along. Why so passionate and yet no vote? No scans possible yet, and GE was a villager anyway.
...

What part of that quote makes you think I passionately believed GE to be scum?

You're seeing boogiemen where they ain't. This is Raven's second game and he is an old friend of mine. There was no way I was ever going to stay on him this early in the game unless someone else more or less proved he was a wolf.
Fair enough.

Font and Sui coming out aggressively...

vote font
???????
Hard to be aggressive when I hadn't posted. Suicane isn't really being aggressive either. What.

----
The votes right now are actually pretty terrible for six reasons:
1. I'm town. Duh.

2. Suicane said this toDay:
So you voted for someone you had no intention of voting for? I'm not accusing you anything yet, but that seems odd.
Meaning he was interrogating Chief without actually looking for a lynch, which gives him a weak townread.

3. EagleFan is my strongest townread, having had a series of votes with strong logical reasons behind them and also being willing to help with the Raven side lynch when two townies (me and GE) and a third likely one (Suicane) were under pressure. His vote for me at the end made it clear that he wasn't attempting to buddy me with the Raven vote either.

4. Zinto reacted obstinately when I asked him to stop answering questions for others. That's an easy thing to cave on for a bit of good will, and the fact that he didn't reflects well on his alignment.

5. Grover is most likely unaligned with Raven, which means I'm now going to have to choose between them.

6. Saldana is totally absent and any pressure on him is completely useless.

So, that's where we are. Good work, guys

But hey, Grover's weirdness toDay makes me feel a lot better about the votes on him. Let's take that somewhere, shall we?

Vote: Grover

[JAG]

Finally circling around to look at the tally. Interesting votes, IMO:

- JAG dropping GE from the lead into a tie with Suicane (and bringing Font within 1)
- Raven creating a 3-way tie among GE, Suicane, and Font by dropping Suicane out of the lead
- Path and EagleFan voting GE 2 up within 2 minutes of each other
- Grover elevating Font over Suicane as the alternative to GE
- JAG reversing Grover's option and tying Suicane and Font 2 behind
- EagleFan switching off GE to tie him with Font, then voting Font a bit later

Nothing particularly damning about any of these, but these stuck out to me as the highest-leverage votes of the day.

On the first one, my motivation was for GE to vote who he thought was more suspicious rather than reflexively voting in self-defense, which doesn't tell us much. Unfortunately that still ended up being his vote and reason.

[Grover]

No, it really is. When I ask someone a question, I want an answer from that person.

I am not moron. I understand how self-preservation works. There are also a number of strange factors that I want to know if he considered, because it helps me read him. You butting in gives him an answer he might not have thought of and lets him know what answers people find believable. Don't do it. Clear?

Also, Chief and Zinto, GE said he would likely check in before deadline. You're both overstating his level of absence.

This came off as extremely agressive to me. As did your post attacking me for voting for you again.

I'm sticking by my choice.

[Grover]

Vote for me all you want, but that's just playing into the wolves hands.

I guarantee you that I am no more than a villager.

[fontisian]

This came off as extremely agressive to me. As did your post attacking me for voting for you again.

I'm sticking by my choice.
Well, yeah. It's meant to be aggressive.

You claimed that I was overly defensive yesterDay and that's why you've voted for me twice. You are now incapable of backing up that statement, because it was bullshit made to justify a bad vote.

Now, you can either try to prove that statement wrong or you can get run up an lynched. The choice is yours.

[fontisian]

Vote for me all you want, but that's just playing into the wolves hands.

I guarantee you that I am no more than a villager.
This does not help you because:
1. It say nothing. Everyone's going to claim to be town.
2. It tells me that you are very much worried about being lynched, despite being at only two votes.

[Grover]

Well, I'll take the chance of being lynched and the entire town being wrong about lynching me. *shrug*

Just like everyone voting for GE was wrong about him.

If I'm wrong about you when/if you do get lynched, I will give you a sincere apology.

[fontisian]

Dude. This isn't hard. Go back through the thread. Pick one (1) post before your vote yesterDay that you think is defensive, quote it, and explain why. Surely there's something you can at least attempt to spin. Passive aggressive rhetoric gets you nowhere.

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

2 - Suicane75 - cheekimonk (279), timmae (285)
2 - fontisian - britrock88 (304), Grover (312)
2 - Grover - path12 (271), fontisian (314)
1 - saldana - EagleFan (264)
1 - Zinto - JAG (267)
1 - EagleFan - Suicane75 (290)

[path12]

So I went ahead and modified Britrock's vote tally from earlier to show standings at the time:

Post Voter Vote
76 Narcizo britrock88 Britrock 1
80 Zinto GoldenEagle Britrock 1, GE 1
81 JAG saldana Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1
82 EagleFan Zinto Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1
88 timmae Grover Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Grover 1
96 Grover Suicane75 Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Grover 1, Suicane 1
101 Chief Rum Raven Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Grover 1, Suicane 1, Raven 1
108 Raven Suicane75 Suicane 2, Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Grover 1, Raven 1
112 cheekimonk timmae Suicane 2, Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Grover 1, Raven 1, timmae 1
123 Suicane75 Grover Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Raven 1, timmae 1
128 britrock88 JAG Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Raven 1, timmae 1, JAG 1
134 path12 britrock88 Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 2, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Raven 1, timmae 1, JAG 1
152 britrock88 timmae Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 2, timmae 2, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Raven 1
160 EagleFan Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 2, timmae 2, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Raven 1
161 EagleFan Raven Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 2, timmae 2, Raven 2, GE 1, saldana 1
163 JAG GoldenEagle Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 2, timmae 2, Raven 2, GE 2
166 Narcizo GoldenEagle GE 3, Suicane 2, Grover 2, timmae 2, Raven 2, Britrock 1
174 Chief Rum Suicane75 GE 3, Suicane 3, Grover 2, timmae 2, Britrock 1, Raven 1
176 timmae JAG GE 3, Suicane 3, timmae 2, Britrock 1, Raven 1, Grover 1, JAG 1
177 Suicane75 GoldenEagle GE 4, Suicane 3, timmae 2, Britrock 1, Raven 1, JAG 1
180 HomerSimpson98 fontisian GE 4, Suicane 3, timmae 2, Britrock 1, Raven 1, JAG 1, font 1
189 JAG fontisian GE 3, Suicane 3, timmae 2, font 2, Britrock 1, Raven 1, JAG 1
190 GoldenEagle Suicane75 Suicane 4, GE 3, timmae 2, font 2, Britrock 1, Raven 1, JAG 1
192 Raven fontisian Suicane 3, GE 3, font 3, timmae 2, Britrock 1, Raven 1, JAG 1
197 cheekimonk britrock88 Suicane 3, GE 3, font 3, Britrock 2, timmae 1, Raven 1, JAG 1
204 path12 GoldenEagle GE 4, Suicane 3, font 3, Britrock 1, timmae 1, Raven 1, JAG 1
207 EagleFan GoldenEagle GE 5, Suicane 3, font 3, Britrock 1, timmae 1, JAG 1
214 Grover fontisian GE 5, font 4, Suicane 2, Britrock 1, timmae 1, JAG 1
216 JAG Suicane75 GE 5, font 3, Suicane 3, Britrock 1, timmae 1, JAG 1
223 GoldenEagle fontisian GE 5, font 4, Suicane 2, Britrock 1, timmae 1, JAG 1
237 EagleFan Raven GE 4, font 4, Suicane 2, Britrock 1, timmae 1, JAG 1, Raven 1
239 cheekimonk Raven GE 4, font 4, Suicane 2, Raven 2, Britrock 1, timmae 1, JAG 1
240 timmae GoldenEagle GE 5, font 4, Suicane 2, Raven 2, Britrock 1, timmae 1
242 EagleFan fontisian GE 5, font 5, Suicane 2, Raven 1, Britrock 1, timmae 1
244 fontisian GoldenEagle GE 6, font 5, Suicane 2, Britrock 1, timmae 1

[path12]

Well crap, scrolling sucks.

[path12]

Kind of interesting though how it switched to a GE/font thing later in the day.

[HomerSimpson98]

Very cool - thanks for posting. i am looking hard at the font vote run and find it very intriguing. I am looking especially hard at Raven and EF. The Raven off/on train strikes me as odd.

[fontisian]

I think you missed my early vote for Raven.

[Grover]

I was wrong. Poor choice of words.

I'm sorry.

unvote fontisian

[Chief Rum]

What part of that quote makes you think I passionately believed GE to be scum?

It's not just that quote but your whole approach to getting a response for GE. You seemed to overreact to a need to get a response from him. Way too aggressive, way too over the top. That's what I mean by gung ho.

Perhaps you were instead just responding to Grover or whomever asking you about it, but that's how it reads.

If you passionately believe GE is a saint, I don't think you're looking so ardently for an answer from him.

[Raven]

It's not just that quote but your whole approach to getting a response for GE. You seemed to overreact to a need to get a response from him. Way too aggressive, way too over the top. That's what I mean by gung ho.

Perhaps you were instead just responding to Grover or whomever asking you about it, but that's how it reads.

If you passionately believe GE is a saint, I don't think you're looking so ardently for an answer from him.

I get the same impression of her. Same feeling last game as well.
Maybe that's how she plays the game, or maybe that's just her personality. Either way, it rubs me the wrong way.

vote fontisian

[britrock88]

Font, my comment was based on some of your posts from yesterday. The longer you keep it up, though, the more I tilt toward reading you as a townie.

As for Suicane, Path alluded to the GE/Font race at the end of yesterday, which means Suicane kind of slipped through the cracks. I'm also fairly comfortable in heading that way because of Font's read of Suicane--at worst, she's a wolf hedging on a townie, but I think it's more likely that she just has a neutral read.

unvote Fontisian
vote Suicane

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

3 - Suicane75 - cheekimonk (279), timmae (285), britrock88 (331)
2 - Grover - path12 (271), fontisian (314)
1 - saldana - EagleFan (264)
1 - Zinto - JAG (267)
1 - EagleFan - Suicane75 (290)
1 - fontisian - Raven (330)

[path12]

I think you missed my early vote for Raven.

Oops. I hadn't gone though posts myself, just was going off of Brit's earlier.

For the record, post #145 fontisian votes Raven. Made the vote tally:

Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 2, Raven 2, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, timmae 1, JAG 1

[saldana]

i am not totally absent...i am here and caught up..i explained my absence yesterday when i got into the thread this morning.

and since we are chatting now :), can i ask what "this is not a drill" was supposed to mean in your vote post from yesterday?

[saldana]

dola, above comment and question were directed at Font.

[path12]

Is Zinto usually more active than he has been? Day and a half with an early vote and no traction now.

[path12]

Also for EF -- I think I know but why the early vote on saldana today?

[path12]

Kind of interesting though how it switched to a GE/font thing later in the day.

I have to be fair here, looking at that vote flow I was kind of a catalyst there for the late GE move. :(

[path12]

I'll chalk it up to a poor life choice.

[EagleFan]

Also for EF -- I think I know but why the early vote on saldana today?

Absence doesn't make my heart grow fonder in a werewolf game. :)

Though it may change as he is here today and posting.

[EagleFan]

unvote saldana

vote Grover

[HomerSimpson98]

vote Raven

Getting this out here now in case something comes up. Voting pattern is of a dont-rock-the-boat, dont-look-at-me front runner. Not excited about it at all but this is where I stand now

[HomerSimpson98]

OOC: Going to pound some beers wit the fellas tonight, so depending on how easy the suds are going down, I may be indisposed around crunch time :) I may even try to get in a drunk vote or 2

[Grover]

vote Suicane75

Self-preservation... for now.

[EagleFan]

After looking at the current vote counts figured we might as well make this a race.


Narc going first tells me that someone wanted to keep the voting history out of the game.

Not sure if he posted anything that would have gotten them role hunting for him. Will have to look back at that.


Sorry, I am thinking as I type this so it may come off a little scatter brained...


Last thought before I get back to work. While I think font is a villager, it may be worth exploring that day one vote a bit. If she is a villager it would most likely mean that the wolves were not players moving votes around. If she is a wolf, well that could tell us a lot as well (and give us a victory for the day).

[Raven]

vote Raven

Getting this out here now in case something comes up. Voting pattern is of a dont-rock-the-boat, dont-look-at-me front runner. Not excited about it at all but this is where I stand now

I voted for font yesterday because she voted for me. Then I voted for the same person again today. What's fishy about that?

Since font will probably vote for me again today, maybe you're just looking to initiate the move against me, so it doesn't look like you're joining after her...

[path12]

vote Raven

Getting this out here now in case something comes up. Voting pattern is of a dont-rock-the-boat, dont-look-at-me front runner. Not excited about it at all but this is where I stand now

I'm kind of curious about Raven as well but am more curious about Grover so will keep my vote there for now.

[Grover]

I'm kind of curious about Raven as well but am more curious about Grover so will keep my vote there for now.

I can end your curiosity.

I am, in fact, the monster at the end of the book.

[Grover]

I get that I've been a little wacky with the way I've started this game off. I am aware that I falsely accused fontisian of being defensive and for that I have apologized.

I am a tried and true villager, even though I may seem suspicious or off. If you decide to lynch me, that is fine, but you will have the proof of what I really am.

I think we need to focus on some of the odder types. Which is hypocritical, I know, but stringing me up will only reduce our numbers by one, possibly two. This could be a ridiculously quick game for us villagers at that rate.

I'm not very good at going back through voting history and patterns and all that jazz. I try to make observations off what I see posted from everyone and I may not be perfect. I want what's best for us, our survival and our victory.

[path12]

I think we need to focus on some of the odder types. Which is hypocritical, I know, but stringing me up will only reduce our numbers by one, possibly two. This could be a ridiculously quick game for us villagers at that rate.

Well, who would you consider the odder types and why? I'm not asking for history or voting patterns if that's what you aren't comfortable with, but at least if you want me to move my vote you are going to have to give me some sort of alternative plus some reasoning for it.

We are all villagers in thread after all.

[Grover]

Suicane, obviously.

I thought piling on Golden Eagle in general was very odd as well. I cannot blame font for voting him out as the deciding vote. She had to self-preserve.

[HomerSimpson98]

I voted for font yesterday because she voted for me. Then I voted for the same person again today. What's fishy about that?

Since font will probably vote for me again today, maybe you're just looking to initiate the move against me, so it doesn't look like you're joining after her...

hmmm - good point. Im not trying to initiate any moves on anyone, I'm just trying to figure out which one of you bastards is lying.

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

4 - Suicane75 - cheekimonk (279), timmae (285), britrock88 (331), Grover (344)
3 - Grover - path12 (271), fontisian (314), EagleFan (341)
1 - Zinto - JAG (267)
1 - EagleFan - Suicane75 (290)
1 - fontisian - Raven (330)
1 - Raven - HomerSimpson98 (343)

[saldana]

i dont like either of the front runners at this point

vote fontisian

[saldana]

dola, the multiquote post she made last page just seemed like a bit much in terms of defense...firing back at every negative post against someone is a bit agressive at this point, since you know they dont really have anything.

[Chief Rum]

I think it would be difficult to introduce a third candidate right now, although we will see how things develop.

I want to vote font, but I suspect she is just a passionate villager who reacted wrong to some things.

I can't really vote Grover, because he pretty much reacted to font the way I would have (and did, actually).

So of the two with the most votes, Suicane feels like a better fit for me.

VOTE SUICANE75

[Chief Rum]

I'm way open on this one, though. Suicane hasn't done much more than anyone else to earn my vote. I just don't feel we have enough to go on just yet on anyone.

[cheekimonk]

I'm way open as well, but suicane is the only person I can point to something tangible on. Grover doth protest too much, but that's so obvious that it's either honest or a drastic measure. Doesn't pull me off sui at the moment.

[EagleFan]

unvote Grover

vote timmae

Gut feeling at this point. Though my vote may change if this doesn't gather any steam.

[HomerSimpson98]

Sorry - did i miss something on Suicane that is "tangible" to pin on him? I dont see anything on him that he has done outlandish. Hell, I dont have anything on anyone and I dont like my Raven vote.

where is zinto? why has sal been so quiet?

[Chief Rum]

Sorry - did i miss something on Suicane that is "tangible" to pin on him? I dont see anything on him that he has done outlandish. Hell, I dont have anything on anyone and I dont like my Raven vote.

where is zinto? why has sal been so quiet?

Personally, others made their case for Suicane, and I went to him because I liked him as a candidate better than Grover (or more, I liked Grover as a villager, I should say).

Suicane is my default and if some momentum can be built on someone like Zinto or sal, or more on font, I would gladly consider switching my vote.

Someone earlier noted that Zinto hasn't posted at all since right near the start of the game. Is that true?

[cheekimonk]

Sorry - did i miss something on Suicane that is "tangible" to pin on him? I dont see anything on him that he has done outlandish. Hell, I dont have anything on anyone and I dont like my Raven vote.

where is zinto? why has sal been so quiet?

Suicane flipped to the GE train real early and, unlike others that started that misguided vote, he didn't move. Zinto didn't move from GE either, but he started there. But the odds are good, too, that I don't know what I'm talking about yet.

[Suicane75]

unvote Grover

vote timmae

Gut feeling at this point. Though my vote may change if this doesn't gather any steam.

While not a vote for me, it might as well be as you're taking away my chance to flip things. And it's a total throwaway because timmae isn't going to gain traction at this point in the day.

[path12]

Someone earlier noted that Zinto hasn't posted at all since right near the start of the game. Is that true?

That was me, but I had just asked if he is usually this quiet because I don't remember that in the couple of games I had played with him before.

I think he has more posts than right near the start of the game (he did vote yesterday) but I haven't seen anything I remember.

Still OK with my Grover vote right now. I can be talked into a couple of the alternatives that have come up but I think font is villager so am not going that way.

And on that note, I'm here for another 30 minutes or so. My wife and I have an appointment after work so while I think I can be around before deadline it is not certain.

[path12]

My main concern about the Suicane votes is that he was up in the middle of it all day and while he ended up not in the runoff it didn't strike me that anyone was too worked up about him being on the block. At least not enough to defend him.

Well, except Suicane of course. :)

[JAG]

I would say this is not normal from Zinto to not check in or anything during the day. I was hoping to hear his thoughts today but that may not happen it seems.

Unvote Zinto

[Suicane75]

Unvote: EagleFan
Vote: Grover

Even though I think EF is a wolf. Shady shit going down bro, shady shit.

[JAG]

I lean towards font being good, but she's a very good wolf so I'm not going to give her carte blanche with that. It would be nice to know to clarify the D1 voting and would make me think worse of Grover and Raven if so, but I don't see her as a great candidate other than that.

[path12]

Suicane flipped to the GE train real early and, unlike others that started that misguided vote, he didn't move. Zinto didn't move from GE either, but he started there. But the odds are good, too, that I don't know what I'm talking about yet.

Suicane voted GE when they were both tied for the lead with 3 votes. And when others changed their votes he dropped some but why at that point would he have reason to change, especially day 1?

I dunno. We'll learn more tonight I guess and I feel weird defending anyone at this point. I'll just say that the folks who really worry me right now are JAG, Chief & EagleFan but that goes back to my feeling about the Narc night kill.

[JAG]

unvote Grover

vote timmae

Gut feeling at this point. Though my vote may change if this doesn't gather any steam.

The exchange he had with me yesterday made me feel a bit better about him.

[path12]

OK, I'm out. Good luck village!

[saldana]

OOG: i am out til around 9 EST...will be back before the deadline

[timmae]

I dunno. We'll learn more tonight I guess and I feel weird defending anyone at this point. I'll just say that the folks who really worry me right now are JAG, Chief & EagleFan but that goes back to my feeling about the Narc night kill.

I feel that this could warrant some additional discussion and views from the group. Unfortunately I am finishing up a 2nd 12 hour day in a row and tomorrow will be a 3rd but I will keep Path's thoughts in mind when I browse through tonight when I get home.

[Zinto]

Sorry everyone. I had a hectic day.

[Zinto]

Vote Zinto

Still interested in Sui, but I'm going with someone who didn't gather momentum D1 and was on the villager lynch.


I am surprised that I didn't get much day one traction. I figured I would because I made it so far into last game but I guess I will live with it. :)

[Chief Rum]

Zinto's posting again. LYNCH HIM!!!

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

5 - Suicane75 - cheekimonk (279), timmae (285), britrock88 (331), Grover (344), Chief Rum (356)
3 - Grover - path12 (271), fontisian (314), Suicane75 (367)
2 - fontisian - Raven (330), saldana (354)
1 - Raven - HomerSimpson98 (343)
1 - timmae - EagleFan (359)

[Zinto]

I felt a little stuck on GE after votes got placed on him. I debated on jumping on to Font because we had a little tiff. I just don't think voting for someone because you are irritated with them in the moment is the best decision.

[Zinto]

I don't feel like Grover is bad at this point. I think he misused his wording on why he wanted to vote for Font and it kind of blew up in his face a little bit. Probably more than I am comfortable with to be voting for him right now.

[Suicane75]

Guess I better start pleading now. I'm just a villager guys. Not much more I can give you to go on than that. I've tried to be more active in this game, of course it's easier to wrap my head around a more straight forward game. I admit to being lost in the headlights during EF's game.

Whatevs though. If you do lynch me, I at least hope my death gives you some clues as to who the wolves are. I still think EF and CR should be suspects.

[Zinto]

I also didn't look at the vote count before I posted to see that Suicane has a little bit of a comfortable margin over Grover. I will look back a little and see if I can make my own case for voting Suicane or someone else.

[EagleFan]

I still think EF and CR should be suspects.

Didn't you see the chart, I'm green...

[EagleFan]

Seriously though. If I was a wolf I certainly wouldn't be jumping around grabbing attention on day one. I would rather draw the attention than a roled villager so that is fine that you doubt me (as you should, doubt everyone).

Starting to feel better about you leading the vote though. Seems like you are setting up your excuse just in case Grover ends up lynched and turns up good.

[EagleFan]

unvote timmae

Though I am up for exploring that avenue later.

[Suicane75]

Dude, you aren't voting timmae, you were never voting timmae. But good job at keeping me square in the lead.

[Zinto]

Based on our current vote holders I am going to vote for Raven. Raven has been UTR so far and had a good middle vote on Font yesterday. I don't have a good reason to pile on Suicane and I don't particularly like Grover or Font as candidates currently.

[Zinto]

Vote Raven

[EagleFan]

Dude, you aren't voting timmae, you were never voting timmae. But good job at keeping me square in the lead.

I voted timmae...

[EagleFan]

Raven was one of the pairs that I was looking at on day one. I could get behind a Raven vote.

[EagleFan]

vote Shoveler

I think someone should vote him every day so he knows that we are thinking about him. :)

[EagleFan]

Hell, he may have been the MVP for two different teams last game, that should earn him a vote. :)

[Suicane75]

Now you vote for another guy who isn't going to be voted out. You're playing a game of 3 card monty here friend.

[Suicane75]

You're either a wolf or getting off on effing with me. As an fellow Eagles fan, you know the kind of stress I'm under tonight. Not nice. You're a very bad man.

[timmae]

unvote suicane

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

4 - Suicane75 - cheekimonk (279), britrock88 (331), Grover (344), Chief Rum (356)
3 - Grover - path12 (271), fontisian (314), Suicane75 (367)
2 - fontisian - Raven (330), saldana (354)
2 - Raven - HomerSimpson98 (343), Zinto (387)
1 - (null) - EagleFan (390)

[fontisian]

Hmm.

Unvote Grover
Chief's right. Grover's reaction was towny.

It's not just that quote but your whole approach to getting a response for GE. You seemed to overreact to a need to get a response from him. Way too aggressive, way too over the top. That's what I mean by gung ho.

Perhaps you were instead just responding to Grover or whomever asking you about it, but that's how it reads.

If you passionately believe GE is a saint, I don't think you're looking so ardently for an answer from him.
And, wrong.

I overreacted to Zinto answering a question for him, as that's considered incredibly rude on most mafia sites I play on. My actual dialogue with GE consisted of asking him a question and then some minor follow

I voted for font yesterday because she voted for me. Then I voted for the same person again today. What's fishy about that?

Since font will probably vote for me again today, maybe you're just looking to initiate the move against me, so it doesn't look like you're joining after her...
Everything?

Does me voting for you make me scum? Why?

[fontisian]

Open Question: Is there anything pointing to town!Chief at this point?

[Suicane75]

This is why this game "bothers" me, as soon as someone else gives me a lifeline, someone else comes in and takes it away, but it's so obvious that it makes me think it can't be a wolf plan. But maybe the idea is to make everyone think it isn't a wolf plan by being so obvious.

At the very least EF could give me some Ritalin.

[Raven]

Add me to the list of those that question EF's actions yesterday. It's easy to say his vote bouncing is a good strategy to force a wolf's hand a bit, but what if all the lead vote getters were villagers? Then his vote bouncing achieved nothing.

It also gives him a little too much freedom to change votes, without much question. You guys are questioning anyone else that changed votes yesterday, but letting him off the hook because he was doing it all day long. No one else sees the danger in that? He could basically have one target all day, bounce around to appear random, and then end up on someone that was completely not random at all. How do we know yesterday wasn't exactly that?

I think it was timmaee that mentioned EF has done this in a previous game, so he wasn't concerned with it. I don't buy that at all. That simply means he has a cover if he ever does choose to use it as a wolf.

I'm not saying EF is or isn't a wolf, I'm just saying he's no less suspect than any of the rest of you.

[JAG]

Raven was someone I was thinking about for that reason also Zinto. I need to read back though, haven't been able to devote much time to the thread today.

[Chief Rum]

Here you go, Suicane. I'm village but font just keeps coming after me and acting weird. I'm not sure she's a wolf, but at this point I just want to know what the heck her story is.

The numbers are now close enough to make it worth it.

UNVOTE SUICANE75
VOTE FONTISIAN

[EagleFan]

Now you vote for another guy who isn't going to be voted out. You're playing a game of 3 card monty here friend.

Was a joke. He isn't in the game. Someone voted for him yesterday no realizing he wasn't in the game. I figured that I would carry on the tradition.

[EagleFan]

unvote Shoveler

vote Suicane75

Happy now?

[JAG]

This is why this game "bothers" me, as soon as someone else gives me a lifeline, someone else comes in and takes it away, but it's so obvious that it makes me think it can't be a wolf plan. But maybe the idea is to make everyone think it isn't a wolf plan by being so obvious.

At the very least EF could give me some Ritalin.

To get votes off you, the best thing you can do is review what's happened thus far and make a case for voting someone else. If you're a villager, that's what you should always be trying to do. It's a communal effort to look at everything that's going on.

[cheekimonk]

My reasoning wasn't that suicane flipped, but the timing...and then staying with GE effectively keeping him at or near the lead until the late rush axed one of our good guys. Could be coincidence, but it's the only thing that sticks out to me.

[Raven]

Everything?

Does me voting for you make me scum? Why?

No but if I have to vote a random person to get rid of, I'll gladly choose the one with the abrasive tone in too many of their posts. (You)

[EagleFan]

Add me to the list of those that question EF's actions yesterday. It's easy to say his vote bouncing is a good strategy to force a wolf's hand a bit, but what if all the lead vote getters were villagers? Then his vote bouncing achieved nothing.

It also gives him a little too much freedom to change votes, without much question. You guys are questioning anyone else that changed votes yesterday, but letting him off the hook because he was doing it all day long. No one else sees the danger in that? He could basically have one target all day, bounce around to appear random, and then end up on someone that was completely not random at all. How do we know yesterday wasn't exactly that?

I think it was timmaee that mentioned EF has done this in a previous game, so he wasn't concerned with it. I don't buy that at all. That simply means he has a cover if he ever does choose to use it as a wolf.

I'm not saying EF is or isn't a wolf, I'm just saying he's no less suspect than any of the rest of you.

Since I have no idea who is or isn't a wolf, my vote switching was just that, vote switching. It gives us nothing if those in the running were villagers but keeping it on one person would have achieved the same thing. That at least gave a slight chance of smoking out a wolf.

To be honest, I was pretty much amusing myself in the process. No sense in playing without having fun at it. Last time I played WW was at boardgamegeek and I probably would have been looked at today for NOT moving my vote enough over there. :)

[Suicane75]

unvote Shoveler

vote Suicane75

Happy now?

It's what I expected you to do anyway.

[Suicane75]

My reasoning wasn't that suicane flipped, but the timing...and then staying with GE effectively keeping him at or near the lead until the late rush axed one of our good guys. Could be coincidence, but it's the only thing that sticks out to me.

I flipped to the next highest guy simply to save myself. I even said as much.

[EagleFan]

It's what I expected you to do anyway.

Not sure why, you weren't on my radar until recently.

[fontisian]

No but if I have to vote a random person to get rid of, I'll gladly choose the one with the abrasive tone in too many of their posts. (You)
Then there's the problem. HomerSimpson98 accused you of not making decisive votes or trying to figure out the game. You countered by saying you voted for the same person both Days for no alignment related reason, and expected that to clear you.

[Suicane75]

To get votes off you, the best thing you can do is review what's happened thus far and make a case for voting someone else. If you're a villager, that's what you should always be trying to do. It's a communal effort to look at everything that's going on.

That's what I'm trying to do man. It's hard for me to focus on so many people though. That, and the case I'm making is for someone who absolutely isn't getting voted out tonight anyway, so it only does me so much good.

[fontisian]

Suicane, indulge me in a hypothetical situation. A wolf is run up early on in this game. What do they roleclaim and how do they do it?

[EagleFan]

If font claims what Suicane replies I am voting for both of them somehow... :)

[Suicane75]

Suicane, indulge me in a hypothetical situation. A wolf is run up early on in this game. What do they roleclaim and how do they do it?

I feel like this is my first semester of algebra, cause I honestly don't have any idea what you're asking.

[britrock88]

Despite my vote being on you, I agree with your read--I'm getting a negative feel for EF.

[cheekimonk]

I flipped to the next highest guy simply to save myself. I even said as much.

That's fair enough. And, again, I'm not comfortable yet being the tentpole on anyone.

unvote Suicane75
vote Grover

[Suicane75]

I mean, I know what you're asking, I just know the answer.

[britrock88]

Dola: that was meant to quote Sui. I'm time warping on mobile

[Suicane75]

don't know the answer. It should read.

[Chief Rum]

I feel like this is my first semester of algebra, cause I honestly don't have any idea what you're asking.

I think she's asking you what a wolf would say if he is up for lynch to save himself.

[britrock88]

Also agree with JAG's earlier sentiment that Font seems good but shouldn't be above suspicion.

[Chief Rum]

If my math is right, we're at threes across the board between font, Suicane and Grover. Soooooooooo awesome!

[EagleFan]

Suicane, another important question.... WHY FREAKING SAM BRADFORD?????

[Suicane75]

I guess he would claim to be the Duke so you wouldn't vote for him. How he'd do it, I dunno.

[saldana]

i am back in case you missed me

i am happy with my vote being where it is now more than i was when i left.

[Suicane75]

Suicane, another important question.... WHY FREAKING SAM BRADFORD?????

Brother, I'm not even accepting calls from my friends tonight, because I don't want to say the words out loud.

[HomerSimpson98]

As an anti-iggle fan I vote we never kill chip Kelly. In fact someone should guard him every hour I every day

[EagleFan]

As an anti-iggle fan I vote we never kill chip Kelly. In fact someone should guard him every hour I every day

Maybe I should rethink my vote... :)

[britrock88]

Also concur with the perception that there's no read out there for Chief Rum. Very UTR-feeling to this point.

[EagleFan]

...

[fontisian]

Thank you Suicane.

Vote: Raven

[EagleFan]

Either I am rusty or there are about 12 wolves in this game. I think the former is most likely.

[saldana]

Either I am rusty or there are about 12 wolves in this game. I think the former is most likely.

did you play in that game...i think AlanT ran it...everyone was a wolf except for 2 people that were villagers (i was one)...we thought we were awesome on day 3 when we got another wolf...then we realized we were the only villagers (which in fact made us the wolves)

[Suicane75]

Now that sounds like a trippy game.

[EagleFan]

did you play in that game...i think AlanT ran it...everyone was a wolf except for 2 people that were villagers (i was one)...we thought we were awesome on day 3 when we got another wolf...then we realized we were the only villagers (which in fact made us the wolves)

Didn't play in that one. Remember hearing about it though.

[cheekimonk]

did you play in that game...i think AlanT ran it...everyone was a wolf except for 2 people that were villagers (i was one)...we thought we were awesome on day 3 when we got another wolf...then we realized we were the only villagers (which in fact made us the wolves)

Wait...that's really possible? I know we guessed at the number of wolves, but the vets seemed to settle around 3 or 4.

[EagleFan]

Vote Count:

3 - Suicane75 - britrock88 (331), Grover (344), EagleFan (403)
3 - Grover - path12 (271), Suicane75 (367), cheekimonk (417)
3 - fontisian - Raven (330), saldana (354), Chief Rum (401)
3 - Raven - HomerSimpson98 (343), Zinto (387), fontisian (432)

[EagleFan]

Think that is right.

[Chief Rum]

Also concur with the perception that there's no read out there for Chief Rum. Very UTR-feeling to this point.

Actually, I have the sixth most posts.

That said, I get this read a lot from others. Call it the Chief Rum Effect.

I have been ignored as a wolf because of it, and I have been lynched as a villager because of it.

[cheekimonk]

Think that is right.

That's what I've got. Missing votes from JAG and timmae.

[Chief Rum]

did you play in that game...i think AlanT ran it...everyone was a wolf except for 2 people that were villagers (i was one)...we thought we were awesome on day 3 when we got another wolf...then we realized we were the only villagers (which in fact made us the wolves)

That game was a trip.

[EagleFan]

Actually, I have the sixth most posts.

That said, I get this read a lot from others. Call it the Chief Rum Effect.

I have been ignored as a wolf because of it, and I have been lynched as a villager because of it.

I like that logic... it looks like you are being ignored in the vote... therefore... ;)

[JAG]

unvote Grover
vote JAG

More than enough time to adjust these votes yet... don't want a runaway train of votes for no reason.

Unvote: Grover
Vote: GoldenEagle

Just self preservation since I don't know if I'll be around at deadline. Stop voting for me though, I'm a good guy. I'm a good guy dammit.

Unvote Raven

Vote Grover

EF, this is a weird sequence. Do you remember whyyou switch to Grover yesterday after the two votes on him went to other targets?

[timmae]

vote raven

His votes so far are one sided... font and that's it. The goldeneagle vote causes suspicion. Font reads good to me... for those reasons.

[Suicane75]

Unvote: Grover
Vote: Raven

No feel at all for Raven, but the only other option here is Font, and I feel like A) She just helped me & B)If I vote for her she just switches her vote back anyway. So, stayin alive, stayin alive.

[Chief Rum]

I like that logic... it looks like you are being ignored in the vote... therefore... ;)

:D :banghead:

[Raven]

Then there's the problem. HomerSimpson98 accused you of not making decisive votes or trying to figure out the game. You countered by saying you voted for the same person both Days for no alignment related reason, and expected that to clear you.

I'm not expecting to be cleared. I've done nothing to "earn clearance", just like none of the rest of you have. I don't need to be the one to decide someone's fate on day 1. There's not enough information to make a decisive vote. It was basically drawing straws, and GE lost. He did nothing particularly wrong, and ended up being a villager.

While you ended up being the decisive vote yesterday, EF forced your hand to save yourself. You had a choice to vote GE, hope someone changed their vote, or change your vote. Your decision was made for you. If anything, that makes EF and you possible suspects in my opinion.

[JAG]

Vote Count:

3 - GoldenEagle - Zinto (80), Narcizo (166), Suicane75 (177)
3 - Suicane75 - Grover (96), Chief Rum (174), GoldenEagle (190)
3 - fontisian - HomerSimpson98 (180), JAG (189), Raven (192)
2 - britrock88 - path12 (134), cheekimonk (197)
1 - timmae - britrock88 (152)
1 - Raven - fontisian (145)
1 - JAG - timmae (176)
1 - Grover - EagleFan (178)

So three with three now? I want a leader.

UNVOTE BRITROCK88
VOTE GOLDEN EAGLE

If font or sui is bad, this vote from path could be bad, though I otherwise don't rmemeber reading anything bad from path.

[EagleFan]

EF, this is a weird sequence. Do you remember whyyou switch to Grover yesterday after the two votes on him went to other targets?

I wasn't sure about the Raven switch and reasoning. Something struck me as being a little off. Day one attempted reasoning to be honest. Also wanted to see if there was any movement back to him after my vote.

[Suicane75]

Raven, I just want to make it clear, I got no beef with you one way or another and I feel kind of shitty that I'm piling on to you. But you're my only option if I'm going to save myself. If I was able to vote for who I think a wolf is I'd be voting for EF.

[cheekimonk]

Raven, I just want to make it clear, I got no beef with you one way or another and I feel kind of shitty that I'm piling on to you. But you're my only option if I'm going to save myself. If I was able to vote for who I think a wolf is I'd be voting for EF.

I was about to point out that you're part of the rush again to what looks like the victim...either your leading or following (the mob or the wolves). But you've got a 'saving my ass' card again.

[EagleFan]

Vote Count:

5 - Raven - HomerSimpson98 (343), Zinto (387), fontisian (432), timmae (445), Suicane75 (446)
3 - Suicane75 - britrock88 (331), Grover (344), EagleFan (403)
3 - fontisian - Raven (330), saldana (354), Chief Rum (401)
2 - Grover - path12 (271), cheekimonk (417)

[saldana]

That game was a trip.

i was furious with Alan...almost quit playing WW forever after that

its called Werewolf Dance Party if anyone wants to go back and look...the whole game is only 6 pages

[Suicane75]

It's not a card dude. I know I'm clean. I have to move the vote to someone to save my ass. Raven is the only option to help solidify me staying alive.

[EagleFan]

Interesting run on Raven.

[cheekimonk]

It's not a card dude. I know I'm clean. I have to move the vote to someone to save my ass. Raven is the only option to help solidify me staying alive.

Sorry. I meant no disrespect. You have a logical counterpoint to my logic.

[Raven]

Raven, I just want to make it clear, I got no beef with you one way or another and I feel kind of shitty that I'm piling on to you. But you're my only option if I'm going to save myself. If I was able to vote for who I think a wolf is I'd be voting for EF.

No worries. I had the same dilemma at some point yesterday (iirc). If I had switched my vote off of font to someone else, they could have switched their vote to me. Was easier for me to stay on font because she was already on me.

[Suicane75]

Sorry. I meant no disrespect. You have a logical counterpoint to my logic.

It's all cool.

[timmae]

unvote raven
vote eaglefan

Seems like a wolf stirring up things

[Chief Rum]

I'm out until after the deadline. Good luck, folks.

[Raven]

By the way, anyone that says "I trust so and so", or "I get a good feeling about so and so" at this early point in the game is completely full of shit.

[EagleFan]

unvote Suicane75

vote cheekimonk

Something about their exchange seems orchestrated.

[britrock88]

Why doesn't tapatalk let me see the votes after the unvotes? Sigh.

[JAG]

Vote Grover

Think I feel ok about font and sui, Raven already has a boatload, so let's go here for now.

[EagleFan]

By the way, anyone that says "I trust so and so", or "I get a good feeling about so and so" at this early point in the game is completely full of shit.

Amen to that.

[cheekimonk]

Why doesn't tapatalk let me see the votes after the unvotes? Sigh.

That's frustrating the hell out of me, too.

[britrock88]

Also intrigued by the Raven run-up, particularly since it's newbie-heavy.

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

4 - Raven - HomerSimpson98 (343), Zinto (387), fontisian (432), Suicane75 (446)
3 - fontisian - Raven (330), saldana (354), Chief Rum (401)
3 - Grover - path12 (271), cheekimonk (417), JAG (465)
2 - Suicane75 - britrock88 (331), Grover (344)
1 - EagleFan - timmae (460)
1 - cheekimonk - EagleFan (463)

[britrock88]

Quick counterpoint to Raven and EF: I might say that I have a good read or feel alright about somebody, but I never mean that to be a definitive judgment of their alignment.

[JAG]

By the way, anyone that says "I trust so and so", or "I get a good feeling about so and so" at this early point in the game is completely full of shit.

Shrug, isn't that the point of what we're doing, trying our best to sort people out? I would hope it's all subject to future change based on new info, but the process has to start today after we actually have some info to go on, even if it's not much.

[Raven]

Suicane, if you don't want to vote for me, switch to font.
That would give you 3, font 4 and me 4. She has to vote me or you and she is currently on me.

[saldana]

timmae and EF with total throwaway votes in the last half hour before deadline...

[EagleFan]

Shrug, isn't that the point of what we're doing, trying our best to sort people out? I would hope it's all subject to future change based on new info, but the process has to start today after we actually have some info to go on, even if it's not much.

But day two when there wasn't a wolf nailed or role revealed pretty much leaves the trust list empty. Good feel about someone is different than trust at this point.

[britrock88]

Thanks for the moral support, JAG. :)

[Suicane75]

But her switching off me is what helped me. I'll have to think about it. I hate being such a focal point.

[timmae]

timmae and EF with total throwaway votes in the last half hour before deadline...

Still reading through things... not a throwaway. I want to make sure we focus on as much as possible... EF is suspicious.

[Suicane75]

eff it.

Unvote: Raven
Vote: EagleFan

[EagleFan]

timmae and EF with total throwaway votes in the last half hour before deadline...

Need to see what it draws out.

At this point I would guess the wolves are:

cheekimonk
Suicane75
timmae
saldana


But that is just my day two feel.

[timmae]

The thing about EF is he casts doubt on a lot of people... is he cherry picking his list based on who he knows are the villagers? Active but saying nothing.

[EagleFan]

unvote cheekimonk

vote Suicane75

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

3 - fontisian - Raven (330), saldana (354), Chief Rum (401)
3 - Raven - HomerSimpson98 (343), Zinto (387), fontisian (432)
3 - Grover - path12 (271), cheekimonk (417), JAG (465)
3 - Suicane75 - britrock88 (331), Grover (344), EagleFan (481)
2 - EagleFan - timmae (460), Suicane75 (478)

[fontisian]

Hey, here's a fun idea. What if we stopped fucking around and lynched Raven already?

[JAG]

But day two when there wasn't a wolf nailed or role revealed pretty much leaves the trust list empty. Good feel about someone is different than trust at this point.

Then we agree.

[Suicane75]

EF taking his vote off of me once I'm pretty much in the clear, and throwing it on yet another person who isn't going to garner enough votes for it to mean anything. Is it doing something just for the sake of doing something? I dunno.

[EagleFan]

Still reading through things... not a throwaway. I want to make sure we focus on as much as possible... EF is suspicious.

For me to be suspicious I would be agreeing with everyone and not changing up. Vanilla villager is the most fun role to have, you can go crazy in thread and keep the heat off the roled villagers for a while.

[Raven]

Shrug, isn't that the point of what we're doing, trying our best to sort people out? I would hope it's all subject to future change based on new info, but the process has to start today after we actually have some info to go on, even if it's not much.


I've only been a wolf once, but the whole point is to manipulate people into those seeds of trust.

[cheekimonk]

I'm still suspicious of Suicane, but he fairly parried my reasoning - didn't debunk it completely, mind you - and I'm not going to knife someone after that.

[EagleFan]

This vote is too easy for the wolves to manipulate being to close with so many people.

[timmae]

If we go raven and he's village is font next then? Need help here..

[JAG]

I've only been a wolf once, but the whole point is to manipulate people into those seeds of trust.

Trust has to be earned over time, but without making an effort to sort out people, you're just throwing down a random vote. Not saying my reads are guaranteed to be right, espeically so early, but again, I'd rather try and base my vote on something than just randomly throwing out people.

[timmae]

EF setting up anyone who moves to be wolfy... EF seems like the one to me.

[Raven]

It's like a big game of chicken now. :)

[Zinto]

We probably need to move the vote into a two vote lead in the next 5ish minutes

[HomerSimpson98]

What the shit is going on here

[Zinto]

If we go raven and he's village is font next then? Need help here..


Eh, most people would think this is a wolfy post. You usually don't want to start pointing to the next candidate so early.

[timmae]

unvote EF
vote raven

[Zinto]

Hey, here's a fun idea. What if we stopped fucking around and lynched Raven already?


You are much more aggressive than I remember Font.

[fontisian]

unvote EF
vote raven
Bless.

Zinto: It's been a while, and I've been intensively playing mafia the entire time.

[Zinto]

Also, this is gross. I am waiting for Suicane to move his vote because it makes almost no sense at this point to be on EF.