Werewolf CLXVI - The Drenai Saga (GAME OVER - VILLAGE WINS!)

[britrock88]

I'm going to shift my Entukku temptation in keeping with the working group theory that's bouncing around...

unvote Zinto
vote saldana

[britrock88]

Vote Count:

6 - cheekimonk - EagleFan (516), fontisian (599), saldana (621), Zinto (711), JAG (713), Grover (718)
4 - fontisian - path12 (588), cheekimonk (589), Suicane75 (696), Chief Rum (696)
1 - saldana - britrock88 (751)

[Grover]

unvote cheek

Vote font

Yes, I'm a dirty flip-flopper, but I want to see what happens with the votes equal.

[saldana]

unvote cheek
vote fontisian

i had her as my vote yesterday and would have been my vote today, but with the double reveal, someone has to be lying, and there are more things leaning towards her side of the scale for me than his.

she has basically named every person in the game as a wolf at some point

her little chart from yesterday is filled with statistical bias, first and foremost of which, it doesnt include her

she counter claimed a role that could not be confirmed except by doing what she wants

all those things scream wolf to me

[britrock88]

Say anyone else counterclaimed this role. Would either of you feel differently?

[fontisian]

Guys, guys. The time to do that is ten seconds before the deadline.

[saldana]

Say anyone else counterclaimed this role. Would either of you feel differently?

probably, yes...it jumps out at me more because i already suspected her.

[EagleFan]

ugh, now we are letting the wolves run the vote?

[britrock88]

Vote Count (755):

6 - fontisian - path12 (588), cheekimonk (589), Suicane75 (696), Chief Rum (696), Grover (753), saldana (754)
4 - cheekimonk - EagleFan (516), fontisian (599), Zinto (711), JAG (713)
1 - saldana - britrock88 (751)

No vote: HomerSimpson98

[saldana]

i forgot to add to my list of reasons that she is 2 for 2 on villager lynches, including vehemently driving the one yesterday.

[britrock88]

i forgot to add to my list of reasons that she is 2 for 2 on villager lynches, including vehemently driving the one yesterday.

She did urge the group to finish a Raven lynch in a situation where there was some doubt about the lynchee, yes. But a good reason for pushing that was that Raven had already claimed villager by then. The loss of a known villager is better than the potential loss of a roled villager.

[EagleFan]

Why would a wolf put themselves out there with a counter at that point? That would scream a desperation move and the wolves have been in control.

There is more than enough proof against cheek. But I can see why saldana would ignore that, being cheek's team-mate.

[fontisian]

[quote=saldana;30096511.she has basically named every person in the game as a wolf at some point

2.her little chart from yesterday is filled with statistical bias, first and foremost of which, it doesnt include her

3.she counter claimed a role that could not be confirmed except by doing what she wants

all those things scream wolf to me[/quote]
Numbered for your convenience.

1.False. I've called more people town than scum.

2.Why would I put myself in a chart I made for my own convenience? I didn't even know I could post it here when I was making it. And what statistical bias? You haven't even asked about any specific grouping.

3.Again. Why would I have countered Cheek instead of claiming Rowena and outing the seer?

[britrock88]

Would really love to get Pat or Sui back into the thread. I have a growing sense that they're town and that they're misjudging Font.

[fontisian]

i forgot to add to my list of reasons that she is 2 for 2 on villager lynches, including vehemently driving the one yesterday.
And this is also bull. I only voted for GE because I was forced to, and I never pushed him as scum.

[HomerSimpson98]

This reeks

vote cheeki

[britrock88]

Font's third point is an important one.

[britrock88]

unvote saldana
vote cheekimonk

[britrock88]

6-6 now.

[fontisian]

Thank you homer. Brit, if none of them come back and switch, you're going to have to tie it up and hope for the best.

[britrock88]

Thank you homer. Brit, if none of them come back and switch, you're going to have to tie it up and hope for the best.

I'm with ya. :)

[fontisian]

Heh. Nice.

[fontisian]

While we're talking about fun things, the other thing pointing to Grover being scum is Cheek's comment about being "the target du jour." I get the impression he was in contact with Grover when I was going after him.

[JAG]

unvote cheek

Vote font

Yes, I'm a dirty flip-flopper, but I want to see what happens with the votes equal.

You want to see what happens with a tie vote? What?

[Grover]

By that, I wanted to see who maneuvers by changing their vote to force a lynch.

[fontisian]

By that, I wanted to see who maneuvers by changing their vote to force a lynch.
It was saldana and you. There, experiment over.

[EagleFan]

By that, I wanted to see who maneuvers by changing their vote to force a lynch.

Not the best time to try that approach.

[EagleFan]

It's looking like we lose this game. Good game and good luck village.

[saldana]

It was saldana and you. There, experiment over.

yeah, because if we were coordinating a switch, we would absolutely both post our votes within a minute of each other...the probability that we both posted at the same time completely independent of one another should not be considered.

[HomerSimpson98]

I'm standing on cheek

[Grover]

Not the best time to try that approach.

Welp, I'm still learning the game. I seem to do better with the more complicated setup.

[britrock88]

If a tie kills both, that's better for the village than just losing a townie. No reason for a townie to move off there.

If a tie kills one or the other, then it's up to chance.

If a tie kills someone else... ???

[fontisian]

We'll see how the tie goes. Looks like I die, cheek dies, and EF and another dies tonight, bringing us to 5-3. So, not an instaloss. The seer should claim first thing tomorrow and drop all useful info.

[EagleFan]

Welp, I'm still learning the game. I seem to do better with the more complicated setup.

Just that we are sitting close to end game with a bad lynch. Giving the wolves a chance to manipulate that lynch is very risky.

[Grover]

I forced the tie thinking someone would break it. That happened.

[fontisian]

Grover. If you are town, switch.

[Grover]

Grover. If you are town, switch.

Why should I put absolute trust in you? You've railed August me from the start because I made one post that want completely accurate. I do not trust you.

[britrock88]

Why should I put absolute trust in you? You've railed August me from the start because I made one post that want completely accurate. I do not trust you.

She may have done wrong by you, but that doesn't mean you're not after the same thing--hunting down wolves.

[fontisian]

Because the train on me is fishy and the townfirmed player is telling you too. If you're town, you are actively aiding scum here and you will get lynched for it.

[britrock88]

Take a quick peek at who's voting whom and see how you feel, Grover.

[Grover]

unvote font

Vote cheek

[fontisian]

This is your chance to prove me wrong, man. All you have to do is switch.

[The Jackal]

Vote Count (as of post 790):

6 - fontisian - path12 (588), cheekimonk (589), Suicane75 (695), Chief Rum (696), Grover (753), saldana (754)
6 - cheekimonk - EagleFan (516), fontisian (599), Zinto (712), JAG (714), HomerSimpson98 (766), britrock88 (768)

[Grover]

I hope you're right and I'm grievously wrong.

[The Jackal]

Deadline

[The Jackal]

Final Vote Count:

7 - cheekimonk - EagleFan (516), fontisian (599), Zinto (712), JAG (714), HomerSimpson98 (766), britrock88 (768), Grover (791)
5 - fontisian - path12 (588), cheekimonk (589), Suicane75 (695), Chief Rum (696), saldana (754)

[saldana]

you better hope you are right grover.

[Grover]

you better hope you are right grover.

I don't really feel that great...

[The Jackal]

The drums have been beating all day long, a rhythmic attack on your senses. As the sun sets, the drums stop, and you have settled on your next candidate.

As you approach cheekimonk, a shrill laughter permeates the air. A raspy voice whispers in all of your ears at once, "Death is coming, Druss cannot save you. He will be dead, dead, dead!"

A blinding flash of smoke strikes where cheekimonk stood. As it dissipates, you see the form of an ugly, ancient sorceress.

cheekimonk was The Old Woman!

[saldana]

alright then! way to go grover! :)

[JAG]

Yes!

[The Jackal]

Not as many nightmares tonight - the best sleep you've had in some time. But you awaken with the knowledge that the threat is not over, and there is still evil to uncover.

Unfortunately, another soldier has fallen to the infiltrators.

Zinto was a common soldier.

Day 4 begins!

[britrock88]

I'm Rowena.

JAG is clear.
Font is clear.
Chief is EVIL!!!

[britrock88]

vote Chief Rum

[britrock88]

I'm Rowena.

JAG is clear.
Font is clear.
Chief is EVIL!!!

And I've left plenty of breadcrumbs if you're dubious.

[Grover]

Whew.

[fontisian]

Down with the Chief!

Vote Chief Rum

[EagleFan]

WTF? I'm still alive?

[britrock88]

:party:

[Grover]

vote ChiefRum

[britrock88]

WTF? I'm still alive?

We'll deal with this tomorrow... :p

[JAG]

vote Chief

I figured you were the seer later in the day brit and I was suspecting Chief. Good job.

[EagleFan]

vote saldana

Just so it's not a run away and we have wolf vs. wolf.

[fontisian]

I'm Rowena.

JAG is clear.
Font is clear.
Chief is EVIL!!!
Ahahaha.

Man, your reaction to Path's list must have been brilliant.

[britrock88]

I still feel like Pat is town. He just got the wrooong vibes. :)

[britrock88]

And frankly, I'm glad Cheekimonk was the Old Woman to rule out the possibility that you or JAG is the cunning.

[EagleFan]

And frankly, I'm glad Cheekimonk was the Old Woman to rule out the possibility that you or JAG is the cunning.

+1

[britrock88]

Okay, new groupings:

Circle of trust: Brit, Font, JAG
Uncountered claimant: EF
The town at large: Grover, Homer, Path, Saldana, Suicane (1-2 baddies)
Baddy: Chief Rum

[fontisian]

Let's see. We've got four townfirms:
EagleFan
JAG
britrock88
fontisian

Pretty sure these two are town.

path12
HomerSimpson98

So, we've got:

Grover
Suicane75
saldana

Chief Rum

I think it's worth while to have Bison and Waylander the Slayer claim at this point, if they're in the game.

[EagleFan]

Sorry brit, I can't protect you tonight. Not that I make it through another night.

[EagleFan]

We can hope that Chief is Nosta. I think if he is gone there are no longer any wolves that can take me out.

[JAG]

And frankly, I'm glad Cheekimonk was the Old Woman to rule out the possibility that you or JAG is the cunning.

Surprised you scanned me when there was a chance I'd just be night killed.

[JAG]

I also feel decently about path.

[EagleFan]

Surprised you scanned me when there was a chance I'd just be night killed.

I had your back that first night. :)

Was a tossup between you and Narc... unfortunately I guessed wrong. :(

[JAG]

Grover and Chief voted suicane D1 (though Grover changed), and cheek voted suicane D2 early.

[JAG]

Chief also voted Suicane D2, a vote that put him decently out in front. Tough to think they're teammates.

[fontisian]

What about Grover and saldana as the last two?

[HomerSimpson98]

How confident are we on chief?

[fontisian]

Very, very confident.

[JAG]

I don't know. I'll pour over it some more in the morning.

[path12]

Wow. I literally could not have been more wrong.

[JAG]

My lists will be with the assumption that EF / brit / font are ok and listing myself as cleared since I've been scanned and the cunning is dead. I think that's pretty safe to say. And cheek / CR as wolves.

Day 1 (from path):

So I went ahead and modified Britrock's vote tally from earlier to show standings at the time:

Post Voter Vote
76 Narcizo britrock88 Britrock 1
80 Zinto GoldenEagle Britrock 1, GE 1
81 JAG saldana Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1
82 EagleFan Zinto Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1
88 timmae Grover Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Grover 1
96 Grover Suicane75 Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Grover 1, Suicane 1
101 Chief Rum Raven Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Grover 1, Suicane 1, Raven 1
108 Raven Suicane75 Suicane 2, Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Grover 1, Raven 1
112 cheekimonk timmae Suicane 2, Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Grover 1, Raven 1, timmae 1
123 Suicane75 Grover Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Raven 1, timmae 1
128 britrock88 JAG Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Raven 1, timmae 1, JAG 1
134 path12 britrock88 Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 2, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Raven 1, timmae 1, JAG 1
152 britrock88 timmae Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 2, timmae 2, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Raven 1
160 EagleFan Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 2, timmae 2, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Raven 1
161 EagleFan Raven Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 2, timmae 2, Raven 2, GE 1, saldana 1
163 JAG GoldenEagle Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 2, timmae 2, Raven 2, GE 2
166 Narcizo GoldenEagle GE 3, Suicane 2, Grover 2, timmae 2, Raven 2, Britrock 1
174 Chief Rum Suicane75 GE 3, Suicane 3, Grover 2, timmae 2, Britrock 1, Raven 1
176 timmae JAG GE 3, Suicane 3, timmae 2, Britrock 1, Raven 1, Grover 1, JAG 1
177 Suicane75 GoldenEagle GE 4, Suicane 3, timmae 2, Britrock 1, Raven 1, JAG 1
180 HomerSimpson98 fontisian GE 4, Suicane 3, timmae 2, Britrock 1, Raven 1, JAG 1, font 1
189 JAG fontisian GE 3, Suicane 3, timmae 2, font 2, Britrock 1, Raven 1, JAG 1
190 GoldenEagle Suicane75 Suicane 4, GE 3, timmae 2, font 2, Britrock 1, Raven 1, JAG 1
192 Raven fontisian Suicane 3, GE 3, font 3, timmae 2, Britrock 1, Raven 1, JAG 1
197 cheekimonk britrock88 Suicane 3, GE 3, font 3, Britrock 2, timmae 1, Raven 1, JAG 1
204 path12 GoldenEagle GE 4, Suicane 3, font 3, Britrock 1, timmae 1, Raven 1, JAG 1
207 EagleFan GoldenEagle GE 5, Suicane 3, font 3, Britrock 1, timmae 1, JAG 1
214 Grover fontisian GE 5, font 4, Suicane 2, Britrock 1, timmae 1, JAG 1
216 JAG Suicane75 GE 5, font 3, Suicane 3, Britrock 1, timmae 1, JAG 1
223 GoldenEagle fontisian GE 5, font 4, Suicane 2, Britrock 1, timmae 1, JAG 1
237 EagleFan Raven GE 4, font 4, Suicane 2, Britrock 1, timmae 1, JAG 1, Raven 1
239 cheekimonk Raven GE 4, font 4, Suicane 2, Raven 2, Britrock 1, timmae 1, JAG 1
240 timmae GoldenEagle GE 5, font 4, Suicane 2, Raven 2, Britrock 1, timmae 1
242 EagleFan fontisian GE 5, font 5, Suicane 2, Raven 1, Britrock 1, timmae 1
244 fontisian GoldenEagle GE 6, font 5, Suicane 2, Britrock 1, timmae 1

[JAG]

174 Chief Rum Suicane75 GE 3, Suicane 3, Grover 2, timmae 2, Britrock 1 Raven 1

Again, this is tough to believe on day 1 Chief is going to vote a fellow wolf tied into the lead with 3 while having at least a villager option in timmae available, which speaks well for Sui being ok.

[JAG]

Again, thanks to brit and path here.

Day 2:

Time Post Voter Type Votee
21:21 264 EagleFan vote Saldana saldana 1
21:27 267 JAG vote Zinto saldana 1, Zinto 1
22:39 271 Path12 vote Grover Grover 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1
8:43 279 Cheekimonk vote Suicane75 Grover 1, saldana 1, Suicane 1, Zinto 1
9:31 285 Timmae vote Suicane75 Suicane 2, Grover 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1
10:32 290 Suicane75 vote EagleFan Suicane 2, EF 1, Grover 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1
11:16 304 Britrock88 vote Fontisian Suicane 2, EF 1, font 1, Grover 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1
12:10 312 Grover vote Fontisian font 2, Suicane 2, EF 1, Grover 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1
12:42 314 Fontisian vote Grover font 2, Grover 2, Suicane 2, EF 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1
13:16 328 Grover unvote Fontisian Grover 2, Suicane 2, EF 1, font 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1
13:26 330 Raven vote Fontisian font 2, Grover 2, Suicane 2, EF 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1
13:26 331 Britrock88 unvote Fontisian
13:26 331 Britrock88 vote Suicane75 Suicane 3, Grover 2, EF 1, font 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1
14:14 341 EagleFan unvote Saldana
14:14 341 EagleFan vote Grover Grover 3, Suicane 3, EF 1, font 1, Zinto 1
14:15 342 HomerSimpson98 vote Raven Grover 3, Suicane 3, EF 1, font 1, Raven 1, Zinto 1
14:17 344 Grover vote Suicane75 Suicane 4, Grover 3, EF 1, font 1, Raven 1, Zinto 1
16:07 354 Saldana vote Fontisian Suicane 4, Grover 3, font 2, EF 1, Raven 1, Zinto 1
16:21 356 Chief Rum vote Suicane75 Suicane 5, Grover 3, font 2, EF 1, Raven 1, Zinto 1
17:23 359 EagleFan unvote Grover
17:23 359 EagleFan vote Timmae Suicane 5, Grover 2, font 2, EF 1, Raven 1, timmae 1, Zinto 1
18:01 366 JAG unvote Zinto Suicane 5, Grover 2, font 2, EF 1, Raven 1, timmae 1
18:08 367 Suicane75 unvote EagleFan
18:08 367 Suicane75 vote Grover Suicane 5, Grover 3, font 2, Raven 1, timmae 1
19:06 384 EagleFan unvote Timmae Suicane 5, Grover 3, font 2, Raven 1
19:08 387 Zinto vote Raven Suicane 5, Grover 3, font 2, Raven 2
19:19 394 Timmae unvote Suicane75 Suicane 4, Grover 3, font 2, Raven 2
19:23 396 Fontisian unvote Grover Suicane 4, Grover 2, font 2, Raven 2
19:37 401 Chief Rum unvote Suicane75
19:37 401 Chief Rum vote Fontisian font 3, Suicane 3, Grover 2, Raven 2
19:41 403 EagleFan vote Suicane75 Suicane 4, font 3, Grover 2, Raven 2
19:59 417 Cheekimonk unvote Suicane75
19:59 417 Cheekimonk vote Grover font 3, Grover 3, Suicane 3, Raven 2
20:09 432 Fontisian vote Raven font 3, Grover 3, Suicane 3, Raven 3
20:19 445 Timmae vote Raven Raven 4, font 3, Grover 3, Suicane 3
20:19 446 Suicane75 unvote Grover
20:19 446 Suicane75 vote Raven Raven 5, font 3, Suicane 3, Grover 2
20:35 460 Timmae unvote Raven
20:35 460 Timmae vote EagleFan Raven 4, font 3, Grover 3, Suicane 3
20:37 463 EagleFan unvote Suicane75
20:37 463 EagleFan vote Cheekimonk Raven 4, font 3, Grover 3, Suicane 2, cheekimonk 1
20:38 465 JAG vote Grover Raven 4, Grover 4, font 3, Suicane 2, cheekimonk 1
20:45 478 Suicane75 unvote Raven
20:45 478 Suicane75 vote EagleFan Grover 4, font 3, Raven 3, Suicane 2, cheekimonk 1, EF 1
20:47 481 EagleFan unvote Cheekimonk
20:47 481 EagleFan vote Suicane75 Grover 4, font 3, Raven 3, Suicane 3, EF 1
20:56 497 Timmae unvote EagleFan
20:56 497 Timmae vote Raven Grover 4, Raven 4, font 3, Suicane 3
20:58 504 JAG unvote Grover
20:58 504 JAG vote Raven Raven 5, font 3, Grover 3, Suicane 3

[JAG]

19:41 403 EagleFan vote Suicane75 Suicane 4, font 3, Grover 2, Raven 2
19:59 417 Cheekimonk unvote Suicane75
19:59 417 Cheekimonk vote Grover font 3, Grover 3, Suicane 3, Raven 2

Grover looks better with this, Cheek did not need to elevate him here in a close race with villager options in font / Raven if he was going to unvote suicane. Grover's last minute vote change was also pretty key as who knows what would've happened if we tied there. Interesting that both Chief and cheek were on Sui and both switched off him.

[JAG]

If Grover and Sui are ok, then D1+D2 we did not put any pressure on the wolves at all, which means they could do whatever they wanted.

If anyone has time to put together D3 as I did the other two, it would be appreciated. It was kind of a weird day so I'm not totally sure what we'll get from the voting, but we should take a look anyway.

[The Jackal]

You have a lot of questions today for Chief Rum. Suddenly he staggers into the center of camp and falls to the ground. Two black crossbow bolts can be seen jutting from his back. Waylander has struck!

Chief Rum was Snaga!

[saldana]

wow...looks like the hunter was in the game.

i dont know what to tell you guys..i am not a wolf...i have been on font since the beginning of the game for her over the top and aggressive behavior...in a game with a cunning wolf, that is exactly how i would have played it myself.

she made several plays that stood out, and to be honest, i don't really like playing with her in the slightest bit, so between in game and meta reasons, i switched to her yesterday too.

[Grover]

Whoa.

[Grover]

vote Suicane75

[JAG]

Good stuff, I had a feeling Waylander was in the game. A shame CR wasn't Nosta but at least we don't have to worry about a brutal later on and we won't have a wasted day of voting.

[JAG]

And another cleared villager which is nice.

[JAG]

vote Suicane75

It's pretty late in the game to drop a vote without explanation. You didn't find my comments regarding the voting history and Sui to be convincing? Why Sui over the other candidates?

[The Jackal]

Votes for Chief Rum have been voided

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

1 - saldana - EagleFan (813)
1 - Suicane75 - Grover (840)

[Grover]

It's pretty late in the game to drop a vote without explanation. You didn't find my comments regarding the voting history and Sui to be convincing? Why Sui over the other candidates?

Sui has continually voted for EF without moving from it. Why? We know EF is important to us, but he keeps going after him.

[HomerSimpson98]

Awesome. What an intense 12 hours this has been.

Im on either Sal or Suicane myself.

[britrock88]

Surprised you scanned me when there was a chance I'd just be night killed.

I was reading you as something other than good special on D1, and I figured that if you survived, you'd probably be among the thought leaders in town or at least draw suspicion based on your survival (like some disingenuous shade I cast your way yesterday :) ).

[britrock88]

You have a lot of questions today for Chief Rum. Suddenly he staggers into the center of camp and falls to the ground. Two black crossbow bolts can be seen jutting from his back. Waylander has struck!

Chief Rum was Snaga!

Hey, Waylander! Now we can vote again!

[britrock88]

Sui has continually voted for EF without moving from it. Why? We know EF is important to us, but he keeps going after him.

Sui wasn't around very much yesterday--could be lynch contention fatigue, unavailability, whatever. But how much tunneling on EF has Sui been doing since EF revealed?

[britrock88]

Who wants to do the D3 tally? :D

[Grover]

Sui wasn't around very much yesterday--could be lynch contention fatigue, unavailability, whatever. But how much tunneling on EF has Sui been doing since EF revealed?

True.

I've got 12 hours, give or take. I'm going to leave my vote on him until I can be convinced we need to go after somebody else.

[The Jackal]

New Page Vote Count:

1 - saldana - EagleFan (813)
1 - Suicane75 - Grover (840)

[JAG]

Being as objective as I can, I don't think my D2 pattern was very wolf-like either...at least as I judge it. There are definitely patterns that are more wolf-like, to me, which goes back to why this was started on me in the first place.

Are there any patterns in particular you want to point out?

Suicane, for one. He started the momentum for the bad lynch on D1, then helped along the momentum on D2's bad lynch before ditching for EF...when EF was not remotely in danger. Convenient since I called him out for stoking the fire for GE on D1.

font, in addition to being oddly aggressive here, tried to start a pile-on on D1 before jumping at the last minute to GE. Who did he try to start the run on? Why, none other than Raven...D2's erroneous lynching and one he also piled on immediately when it started along with...

Zinto. Who, I've pointed out, has not cast a single vote for someone not lynched (all bad for us). He's been quiet, too, and vets have pointed out that it's quieter than usual.


Grover, here is cheek supposedly calling out his teammate Suicane here, along with two other villagers. Not saying he couldn't be trying to play it both ways, but again, I still find the CR D1 vote on him to be indicative of him not being a wolf. Under your assumption, you would be claiming that they've been going after each other since the start of the game pretty aggressively. I wouldn't put it past Chief to possibly play that way, but there's a 50-50 or better shot the next wolf is a very important role and I cannot see them playing that dangerously with it.

[Chief Rum]

And I would have gotten away with it, too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids!

[path12]

Who wants to do the D3 tally? :D

I can do it but it will be an hour or so. I have a couple quick work fires to put out.

[Suicane75]

I was on EF before he revealed. When I came back last night I was going to keep my vote on him just because I had no idea whether to vote for cheek or font and I was going to be gone. Of course I did change my vote almost immediately anyway.

Vote: Grover

[HomerSimpson98]

Vote saldana

I think the 2 bad'ns left are Sal and Sui and I'm going with Sal being the more dangerous one.

[Grover]

Grover, here is cheek supposedly calling out his teammate Suicane here, along with two other villagers. Not saying he couldn't be trying to play it both ways, but again, I still find the CR D1 vote on him to be indicative of him not being a wolf. Under your assumption, you would be claiming that they've been going after each other since the start of the game pretty aggressively. I wouldn't put it past Chief to possibly play that way, but there's a 50-50 or better shot the next wolf is a very important role and I cannot see them playing that dangerously with it.

Fair enough.

unvote Suicane75

[JAG]

I was on EF before he revealed. When I came back last night I was going to keep my vote on him just because I had no idea whether to vote for cheek or font and I was going to be gone. Of course I did change my vote almost immediately anyway.

Vote: Grover

Why Grover rather than other options?

Vote saldana

I think the 2 bad'ns left are Sal and Sui and I'm going with Sal being the more dangerous one.

That's a pretty unusual comment. Can you explain why you think sal would be a more dangerous wolf than Sui?

[Grover]

Why Grover rather than other options?




I think this is a case of 'he voted for me, so..."

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

2 - saldana - EagleFan (813), HomerSimpson98 (858)
1 - Grover - Suicane75 (857)

[Suicane75]

Unvote: Grover
Vote: Saldana

[Suicane75]

I think this is a case of 'he voted for me, so..."

Yeah, it was. I'm trying to catch up on things, yesterday was pretty much a lost day for me game wise.

[JAG]

Interested to hear sal's thoughts also.

[fontisian]

Grover, here is cheek supposedly calling out his teammate Suicane here, along with two other villagers. Not saying he couldn't be trying to play it both ways, but again, I still find the CR D1 vote on him to be indicative of him not being a wolf. Under your assumption, you would be claiming that they've been going after each other since the start of the game pretty aggressively. I wouldn't put it past Chief to possibly play that way, but there's a 50-50 or better shot the next wolf is a very important role and I cannot see them playing that dangerously with it.
I don't entirely agree with this. Calling out exactly two townies and one scummate is actually a common trend.

That said, I'm definitely more sure of saldana.
Vote: saldana

[saldana]

Interested to hear sal's thoughts also.

i gave my thoughts earlier this morning..not much i can say beyond i am a villager..no role, nothing special about me

i would like to hear anyone actually give a piece of evidence against me, other than my font votes, which i have explained

[JAG]

OK font, that could be a nice catch and it is the closest thing to evidence we have, so for today i will go with you

vote Cheekimonk

This was pre-showdown. He later changed the vote admittedly, but I've played sal as a wolf and that's not the behavior I'd expect from him in that spot.

[Grover]

i gave my thoughts earlier this morning..not much i can say beyond i am a villager..no role, nothing special about me

i would like to hear anyone actually give a piece of evidence against me, other than my font votes, which i have explained

I would like to see some evidence against you as well.

[fontisian]

This was pre-showdown. He later changed the vote admittedly, but I've played sal as a wolf and that's not the behavior I'd expect from him in that spot.
Chief did the same thing. Bussing could have been a group decision.

saldana: Making a case against literally anyone or giving your thoughts on the other possible wolves would go a long way.

[EagleFan]

Whoa, what did I miss? Looks like a good day so far. I think saldana will be wolf number three so that will either be end game or leave us with one more. Looks like some powerful village roles so I would guess four wolves.

[EagleFan]

Just checking in quickly, I have to get back to work but will be online more this evening. Glad I checked in, or I would have been trying to figure out why there ere no more Chief votes tonight.

[JAG]

Chief did the same thing. Bussing could have been a group decision.

But then everyone switching back to you? Doesn't that defeat the point of the bussing?

Do you think all the wolves lined up on you in the last vote?

[fontisian]

It's possible? I'm not really sure.

Anyway, here's the case against saldana:
1. I just realized he asked me a question a while back and I forgot to answer:
i am not totally absent...i am here and caught up..i explained my absence yesterday when i got into the thread this morning.

and since we are chatting now :), can i ask what "this is not a drill" was supposed to mean in your vote post from yesterday?
I think if he actually cared about the question, he would have followed up at some point.

2. He asked me about my grid here: care to fill us in on what your little grid is?...i have never seen this before and am interested to see what level of associations this is supposed to be
I then gave a long answer. He didn't express any concern after that until I was on the verge of being lynched with cheek, at which point he claimed it was "statistically biased." Again, if he was really concerned about that, why not follow up on it sooner?

3. The cop out on cheek when EF voted for him and claimed:
what are you seeing? i have never played with him before (i think this is his first game) and am not getting any kind of read, but given that no one has countered your claim, i am highly inclined to trust you at this point.

4. Jumping on JAG's cunning theory in order to avoid voting for cheek:
this is what i was thinking too...the cunnings job is to draw attention and get scanned, so by coming on so strong (too strong some may say), she was possibly doing exactly that.

she has done a couple other things that have pinged my radar as well, such as basically flinging everyone in the game's name against the wall to see who she can get traction on for a vote.

i will wait to vote til i hear back from EF, but i see no reason to change my vote from yesterday.

5. General falseness in his accusations and a refusal to see them as false. Take Grover's reaction to my pointing out the problem in his case as an example of a good reaction.

6. Supporting Chief's idea that I claimed Duke, which sort of implies they talked about it and came to that conclusion together:
great, 2 reveals for the same role, neither can be verified.

i am interested in the answer to the question about why Font said she wouldnt be lynched tonight...made herself sound like she was the duke.

7. The last minute vote switch which tied up the game:
unvote cheek
vote fontisian

i had her as my vote yesterday and would have been my vote today, but with the double reveal, someone has to be lying, and there are more things leaning towards her side of the scale for me than his.

she has basically named every person in the game as a wolf at some point

her little chart from yesterday is filled with statistical bias, first and foremost of which, it doesnt include her

she counter claimed a role that could not be confirmed except by doing what she wants

all those things scream wolf to me

[saldana]

i didnt pursue any of my questions with you, Font, because by that time i was convinced you were lying and i didnt feel the need to.

as far as who else to vote for goes, Grover changed his vote, literally within a minute of me last night...then changed it back at the very last second possible...this screams to me of an orchestrated move of a wolf trying to buy time by voting off another wolf.

[saldana]

my guess right now is that grover is Khan and needed to buy time to finish of whatever the mechanic is that will let him kill Druss, so he sacrificed cheekimonk to make himself look good.

[Grover]

my guess right now is that grover is Khan and needed to buy time to finish of whatever the mechanic is that will let him kill Druss, so he sacrificed cheekimonk to make himself look good.

That's rich.

[path12]

Do you know how embarrassing it is to tally up a day when you were pushing a bad narrative?

Time Post Voter Votee Standings
19:32 516 EagleFan vote cheekimonk cheek 1
19:55 526 Suicane75 vote EagleFan cheek 1, EF 1
5:11 539 Grover votecheekimonk cheek 2, EF 1
7:59 557 britrock88 vote Chief Rum cheek 2, Chief 1, EF 1
8:04 559 britrock88 unvote Chief Rum cheek 2, EF 1
8:04 559 britrock88 vote Suicane cheek 2, EF 1, Suicane 1
9:05 564 path12 vote JAG cheek 2, EF 1, JAG 1, Suicane 1
10:03 578 JAG vote britrock88 cheek 2, brit 1, EF 1, JAG 1, Suicane 1
10:45 588 path12 unvote JAG cheek 2, brit 1, EF 1, Suicane 1
10:45 588 path12 vote fontisian cheek 2, brit 1, EF 1, font 1, Suicane 1
11:04 589 cheekimonk vote fontisian cheek 2, font 2, brit 1, EF 1, Suicane 1
12:31 599 fontisian vote cheekimonk cheek 3, font 2, brit 1, EF 1, Suicane 1
13:46 619 Chief Rum vote cheekimonk cheek 4, font 2, brit 1, EF 1, Suicane 1
13:47 621 saldana vote cheekimonk cheek 5, font 2, brit 1, EF 1, Suicane 1
15:31 652 HomerSimpson98 vote fontisian cheek 5, font 3, brit 1, EF 1, Suicane 1
15:54 670 britrock88 unvote Suicane75 cheek 5, font 3, brit 1, EF 1
15:54 670 britrock88 vote Zinto cheek 5, font 3, brit 1, EF 1, Zinto 1
16:16 692 JAG unvote britrock88 cheek 5, font 3, EF 1, Zinto 1
16:28 695 Suicane75 unvote EagleFan cheek 5, font 3, Zinto 1
16:28 695 Suicane75 vote fontisian cheek 5, font 4, Zinto 1
16:30 696 Chief Rum unvote cheekimonk cheek 4, font 4, Zinto 1
16:30 696 Chief Rum vote fontisian font 5, cheek 4, Zinto 1
16:50 701 Grover unvote cheekimonk font 5, cheek 3, Zinto 1
16:50 701 Grover vote fontisian font 6, cheek 3, Zinto 1
17:30 711 Grover unvote fontisian font 5, cheek 3, Zinto 1
17:30 712 Zinto vote cheekimonk font 5, cheek 4, Zinto 1
17:34 714 JAG vote cheekimonk cheek 5, font 5, Zinto 1
17:37 716 HomerSimpson98 unvote fontisian cheek 5, font 4, Zinto 1
17:37 716 HomerSimpson98 vote cheekimonk cheek 6, font 4, Zinto 1
17:43 718 Grover vote cheekimonk cheek 7, font 4, Zinto 1
18:19 745 HomerSimpson98 unvote cheekimonk cheek 6, font 4, Zinto 1
18:28 751 britrock88 unvote Zinto cheek 6, font 4
18:28 751 britrock88 vote saldana cheek 6, font 4, saldana 1
18:33 753 Grover unvote cheekimonk cheek 5, font 4, saldana 1
18:33 753 Grover vote fontisian cheek 5, font 5, saldana 1
18:34 754 saldana unvote cheekimonk font 5, cheek 4, saldana 1
18:34 754 saldana vote fontisian font 6, cheek 4, saldana 1
18:39 766 HomerSimpson98 vote cheekimonk font 6, cheek 5, saldana 1
18:40 768 britrock88 unvote saldana font 6, cheek 5
18:40 768 britrock88 vote cheekimonk cheek 6, font 6
19:00 791 Grover unvote fontisian cheek 6, font 5
19:00 791 Grover vote cheekimonk cheek 7, font 5

[path12]

goddamnit, I don't know why that came out so weird

[saldana]

vote grover

(based on my post a couple above this)

[britrock88]

goddamnit, I don't know why that came out so weird

Working with [ code ] is weird. You need 8 characters in each cell to push to the next tab.

[path12]

Working with [ code ] is weird. You need 8 characters in each cell to push to the next tab.

OK thanks. Let me mess with it again.

[Grover]

vote grover

(based on my post a couple above this)

Good luck getting traction on this one.

One vote switch at the deadline doesn't prove anything.

[britrock88]

Updating Path's chart (thanks!):

Time Post Voter Type Votee Standings
19:32 516 EagleFan vote cheekimonk cheek 1
19:55 526 Suicane 75 vote EagleFan cheek 1, EF 1
5:11 539 Grover vote cheekimonk cheek 2, EF 1
7:59 557 britrock88 vote ChiEF Rum cheek 2, ChiEF 1, EF 1
8:04 559 britrock88 unvote ChiEF Rum cheek 2, EF 1
8:04 559 britrock88 vote Suicane cheek 2, EF 1, Suicane 1
9:05 564 path12 vote JAG cheek 2, EF 1, JAG 1, Suicane 1
10:03 578 JAG vote britrock88 cheek 2, brit 1, EF 1, JAG 1, Suicane 1
10:45 588 path12 unvote JAG cheek 2, brit 1, EF 1, Suicane 1
10:45 588 path12 vote fontisian cheek 2, brit 1, EF 1, font 1, Suicane 1
11:04 589 cheekimonk vote fontisian cheek 2, font 2, brit 1, EF 1, Suicane 1
12:31 599 fontisian vote cheekimonk cheek 3, font 2, brit 1, EF 1, Suicane 1
13:46 619 ChiEF Rum vote cheekimonk cheek 4, font 2, brit 1, EF 1, Suicane 1
13:47 621 saldana vote cheekimonk cheek 5, font 2, brit 1, EF 1, Suicane 1
15:31 652 HomerSimpson98 vote fontisian cheek 5, font 3, brit 1, EF 1, Suicane 1
15:54 670 britrock88 unvote Suicane cheek 5, font 3, brit 1, EF 1
15:54 670 britrock88 vote Zinto cheek 5, font 3, brit 1, EF 1, Zinto 1
16:16 692 JAG unvote britrock88 cheek 5, font 3, EF 1, Zinto 1
16:28 695 Suicane 75 unvote EagleFan cheek 5, font 3, Zinto 1
16:28 695 Suicane 75 vote fontisian cheek 5, font 4, Zinto 1
16:30 696 ChiEF Rum unvote cheekimonk cheek 4, font 4, Zinto 1
16:30 696 ChiEF Rum vote fontisian font 5, cheek 4, Zinto 1
16:50 701 Grover unvote cheekimonk font 5, cheek 3, Zinto 1
16:50 701 Grover vote fontisian font 6, cheek 3, Zinto 1
17:30 711 Grover unvote fontisian font 5, cheek 3, Zinto 1
17:30 712 Zinto vote cheekimonk font 5, cheek 4, Zinto 1
17:34 714 JAG vote cheekimonk cheek 5, font 5, Zinto 1
17:37 716 HomerSimpson98 unvote fontisian cheek 5, font 4, Zinto 1
17:37 716 HomerSimpson98 vote cheekimonk cheek 6, font 4, Zinto 1
17:43 718 Grover vote cheekimonk cheek 7, font 4, Zinto 1
18:19 745 HomerSimpson98 unvote cheekimonk cheek 6, font 4, Zinto 1
18:28 751 britrock88 unvote Zinto cheek 6, font 4
18:28 751 britrock88 vote saldana cheek 6, font 4, saldana 1
18:33 753 Grover unvote cheekimonk cheek 5, font 4, saldana 1
18:33 753 Grover vote fontisian cheek 5, font 5, saldana 1
18:34 754 saldana unvote cheekimonk font 5, cheek 4, saldana 1
18:34 754 saldana vote fontisian font 6, cheek 4, saldana 1
18:39 766 HomerSimpson98 vote cheekimonk font 6, cheek 5, saldana 1
18:40 768 britrock88 unvote saldana font 6, cheek 5
18:40 768 britrock88 vote cheekimonk cheek 6, font 6
19:00 791 Grover unvote fontisian cheek 6, font 5
19:00 791 Grover vote cheekimonk cheek 7, font 5

[britrock88]

OK thanks. Let me mess with it again.

I gotcha. :)

[britrock88]

Heh. Color-coding "EF" had an unintended consequence...

[saldana]

Good luck getting traction on this one.

One vote switch at the deadline doesn't prove anything.

then the same should apply to me.

[britrock88]

Breadcrumbs...

vote Suicane

[britrock88]

unvote Suicane
vote HomerSimpson

Flying UTR. Not unaligned with cheeki or Chief on Font's p.11 chart (though she was wrong about their unalignment :p ), and I don't want a runaway.

[Grover]

then the same should apply to me.

And I agree. I haven't voted for you at any point.

[Grover]

However, you trying to claim I'm the wolf with a last minute switch when you pulled the exact stunt is very suspicious.

[path12]

Well, not perfect but better and I got the colors in:

19:32 516 EagleFan vote cheekimonk cheek 1
19:55 526 Suicane75 vote EagleFan cheek 1, EF 1
5:11 539 Grover votecheekimonk cheek 2, EF 1
7:59 557 britrock88 vote Chief Rum cheek 2, Chief 1, EF 1
8:04 559 britrock88 unvote Chief Rum cheek 2, EF 1
8:04 559 britrock88 vote Suicane cheek 2, EF 1, Suicane 1
9:05 564 path12 vote JAG cheek 2, EF 1, JAG 1, Suicane 1
10:03 578 JAG vote britrock88 cheek 2, brit 1, EF 1, JAG 1, Suicane 1
10:45 588 path12 unvote JAG cheek 2, brit 1, EF 1, Suicane 1
10:45 588 path12 vote fontisian cheek 2, brit 1, EF 1, font 1, Suicane 1
11:04 589 cheekimonk vote fontisian cheek 2, font 2, brit 1, EF 1, Suicane 1
12:31 599 fontisian vote cheekimonk cheek 3, font 2, brit 1, EF 1, Suicane 1
13:46 619 Chief Rum vote cheekimonk cheek 4, font 2, brit 1, EF 1, Suicane 1
13:47 621 saldana vote cheekimonk cheek 5, font 2, brit 1, EF 1, Suicane 1
15:31 652 HomerSimpson98 vote fontisian cheek 5, font 3, brit 1, EF 1, Suicane 1
15:54 670 britrock88 unvote Suicane75 cheek 5, font 3, brit 1, EF 1
15:54 670 britrock88 vote Zinto cheek 5, font 3, brit 1, EF 1, Zinto 1
16:16 692 JAG unvote britrock88 cheek 5, font 3, EF 1, Zinto 1
16:28 695 Suicane75 unvote EagleFan cheek 5, font 3, Zinto 1
16:28 695 Suicane75 vote fontisian cheek 5, font 4, Zinto 1
16:30 696 Chief Rum unvote cheekimonk cheek 4, font 4, Zinto 1
16:30 696 Chief Rum vote fontisian font 5, cheek 4, Zinto 1
16:50 701 Grover unvote cheekimonk font 5, cheek 3, Zinto 1
16:50 701 Grover vote fontisian font 6, cheek 3, Zinto 1
17:30 711 Grover unvote fontisian font 5, cheek 3, Zinto 1
17:30 712 Zinto vote cheekimonk font 5, cheek 4, Zinto 1
17:34 714 JAG vote cheekimonk cheek 5, font 5, Zinto 1
17:37 716 HomerSimpson98 unvote fontisian cheek 5, font 4, Zinto 1
17:37 716 HomerSimpson98 vote cheekimonk cheek 6, font 4, Zinto 1
17:43 718 Grover vote cheekimonk cheek 7, font 4, Zinto 1
18:19 745 HomerSimpson98 unvote cheekimonk cheek 6, font 4, Zinto 1
18:28 751 britrock88 unvote Zinto cheek 6, font 4
18:28 751 britrock88 vote saldana cheek 6, font 4, saldana 1
18:33 753 Grover unvote cheekimonk cheek 5, font 4, saldana 1
18:33 753 Grover vote fontisian cheek 5, font 5, saldana 1
18:34 754 saldana unvote cheekimonk font 5, cheek 4, saldana 1
18:34 754 saldana vote fontisian font 6, cheek 4, saldana 1
18:39 766 HomerSimpson98 vote cheekimonk font 6, cheek 5, saldana 1
18:40 768 britrock88 unvote saldana font 6, cheek 5
18:40 768 britrock88 vote cheekimonk cheek 6, font 6
19:00 791 Grover unvote fontisian cheek 6, font 5
19:00 791 Grover vote cheekimonk cheek 7, font 5

[path12]

I gotcha. :)

Heh. OK, I'm DONE WITH THAT!

[path12]

How confident are we on chief?

Very, very confident.

I'm taking this as a very positive exchange for Homer.

[path12]

And while I've been curious about Grover earlier, he did not have to switch that at the last minute -- could have rolled the dice on a tie and hoped that it saved his fellow wolf.

Of course, I'm not too comfortable making any definite reads today.

[Grover]

And while I've been curious about Grover earlier, he did not have to switch that at the last minute -- could have rolled the dice on a tie and hoped that it saved his fellow wolf.

Of course, I'm not too comfortable making any definite reads today.

Honestly, if I hadn't been given a reason at 9:59 to switch, I would have stayed and it would have been a massive loss.

[path12]

Anyway, trusting the group we have so far that leaves for me Suicane & saldana.

VOTE SALDANA

I can be moved here.

[Grover]

vote Saldana

If he's going to claim I'm a wolf because of a last minute vote switch that helped lynch the Old Woman, I'm doing the same to him.

[saldana]

However, you trying to claim I'm the wolf with a last minute switch when you pulled the exact stunt is very suspicious.

i didnt switch seconds before the deadline...i switched half an hour before the deadline..thats a huge difference in terms of what we are talking about here.

[HomerSimpson98]

I'm taking this as a very positive exchange for Homer.

And you would be correct sir :)

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

6 - saldana - EagleFan (813), HomerSimpson98 (858), Suicane75 (863), fontisian (866), path12 (897), Grover (898)
1 - Grover - saldana (880)
1 - HomerSimpson98 - britrock88 (889)

[The Jackal]

Starting a bourbon happy hour at work right now, then a going away party for someone starting at 630 .. not sure when I'll be back. :devil:

[path12]

Starting a bourbon happy hour at work right now, then a going away party for someone starting at 630 .. not sure when I'll be back. :devil:

I just finished lunch. :(

[britrock88]

JAG's our holdout.

[britrock88]

Questions to saldana voters:

1) If he turns up a wolf, where do you look next?
2) If he turns up town, where do you look next?

[path12]

Questions to saldana voters:

1) If he turns up a wolf, where do you look next?
2) If he turns up town, where do you look next?

Just looking at the list of who is still alive:

Claimed role with no counter:
EF
britrock

Hinted role with no counter:
Homer

Unverified good:
Me.

Scanned good by brit:
JAG
font

Remaining:
Grover
Suicane
saldana

So to answer your question, those are the three on my list. I realize that on others I would be in that "remaining" group.

Why I chose saldana for now? I've read Suicane as village for awhile (I could be mistaken) but I would like to see him be more active again. Grover gets a pass today because of swinging the vote to cheek last night.

Would love to hear flaws in this reasoning.

[path12]

Oops, could just as easily have put font in the "claimed role with no counter" list since cheek came up bad.

[EagleFan]

Current order of trust:

Me
britrock88/JAG/font
..
homer/path
..
Suicane
..
Grover
..
..
..
..
..
..
..
..
..
saldana


Will look over the thread sometime after dinner to sort out the players that I have questions about.

[EagleFan]

That should read, my order of trust (hence myself at the top).

[HomerSimpson98]

I am wayward the assassin in case it wasn't obvious earlier. Meant to post that earlier. I put two arrows in the chief

[HomerSimpson98]

Waylander. Stupid autocorrect

[JAG]

Vote saldana

[JAG]

Terrible game for me. Good thing you scanned me brit. :)

[JAG]

That puts path more into an unknown for me, as I thought he had hinted at being Waylander.

[path12]

That puts path more into an unknown for me, as I thought he had hinted at being Waylander.

I haven't hinted at anything. I am not vanilla though.

[path12]

Well, I guess that's a hint.

[JAG]

Ok, so I caught the hint correctly but made the wrong conclusion. Crazy amount of cleared villagers at this point in the game.

[EagleFan]

I am wayward

Carry on...

[path12]

Leaving work in about 15 minutes, will be back on before deadline.

[saldana]

well, whomever the last wolves are, well done...a totally vanilla villager will die tonight and you get another day.

i got nothing to say other than, still looking for actual evidence against me

[britrock88]

Hmmkay.

unvote HomerSimpson

[britrock88]

Who the heck do I choose between Sui and Grover? Both have looked shiny at various points.

[Suicane75]

I only look shiny because i eat a lot of oily and processed foods. But not human flesh.

[path12]

I only look shiny because i eat a lot of oily and processed foods. But not human flesh.

It was a tossup for me between you and sal. Almost went your way because you really liked Birdman where I was sighing half way through going "fuckin' actors, man".

But there wasn't traction there.

[JAG]

Who the heck do I choose between Sui and Grover? Both have looked shiny at various points.

sal voted Grover, so Sui.

[JAG]

Oh, you weren't talking about a vote. Yeah, I don't know.

[EagleFan]

well, whomever the last wolves are, well done...a totally vanilla villager will die tonight and you get another day.

i got nothing to say other than, still looking for actual evidence against me

That screams wolf to me.

[path12]

Wondering if I should put a vote on Suicane just in case.

[Suicane75]

It was a tossup for me between you and sal. Almost went your way because you really liked Birdman where I was sighing half way through going "fuckin' actors, man".

But there wasn't traction there.

:lol:

[saldana]

That screams wolf to me.

how so?

[JAG]

Wondering if I should put a vote on Suicane just in case.

I was thinking that also.

[path12]

Why not.

UNVOTE SALDANA
VOTE SUICANE75

[EagleFan]

how so?

The tone.

[Suicane75]

Half tempted to move my vote to you now.

[Suicane75]

That was to Path. But I'm not.

[JAG]

He's just covering an unknown in case the wolves use their double lynch.

[Suicane75]

Yeah I know, but he's not been cleared anymore than I have.

[path12]

Yeah I know, but he's not been cleared anymore than I have.

I said I wasn't vanilla. If someone wants to claim instead of me they are welcome to. They will be wrong.

[path12]

I guess time?

[path12]

That looked weird. I meant I guess voting is over?

[EagleFan]

I guess width?

Oh, we're not playing guess the dimension? :)

[Grover]

Jackal said he wasn't sure when he'd be back tonight...

[Suicane75]

Jackal be gettin his drink on.

[path12]

I guess width?

Oh, we're not playing guess the dimension? :)

We could do this. I do live in Washington State after all. I'm well stocked for this sort of challenge.

[fontisian]

Jackal parties like this, right?
<iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Q7H_L5cYkg8" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="420"></iframe>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7H_L5cYkg8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7H_L5cYkg8)

[EagleFan]

So... while we're waiting...

Who would be interested in The Amazing Race 2?

[saldana]

i will save you all the suspense

"you stab saldana...he was a soldier"

[EagleFan]

Hey, we're in the space between deadline and results... we don't want to talk about the game... it's our down time

[path12]

I've not seen that clip before. Liked that very much.

[EagleFan]

I must say, used to like Elementary but since I started watching Sherlock lost week it just doesn't seem the same.

[timmae]

Can zombies roam now??!!

[EagleFan]

lost=last

[EagleFan]

Zombie!!!! Get the shotgun!

[path12]

EF, when are you thinking about Amazing Race 2 and how time intensive is it?

[EagleFan]

EF, when are you thinking about Amazing Race 2 and how time intensive is it?

Still have to finish the rules for this one. It will be a two deadline game. The first will be for the race activities and the second for the werewolf activities. Shouldn't be too time intensive. There will be teams racing and it will be a matter of deciding a couple things for your team for the race activities and how ever much time you put into the werewolf searching.

Will use a similar ruleset to last time where players aren't completely out until they have been eliminated from the race and the werewolf portion of the game.

Probably won't have it ready for a couple weeks, should give someone else a chance to run a game.

[EagleFan]

Going to tighten up that game a bit from what I learned in the first one. The first one really punished or rewarded players for adding depth and strategy. I still want to reward that but it won't be quite as drastic as before.

[EagleFan]

What's everyone planning on doing to celebrate Pi Day? :)

[EagleFan]

Good night. Growing headache tonight, should try to get some sleep. Will check in tomorrow to see what happened (maybe a quick check from my phone if I am awake at any point).

[The Jackal]

Goddamn hiccups for the last 3 hours

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

6 - saldana - EagleFan (813), HomerSimpson98 (858), Suicane75 (863), fontisian (866), Grover (898), JAG (912)
1 - Grover - saldana (880)
1 - Suicane75 - path12 (932)

[The Jackal]

In a veritable landslide you have decided that saldana is the next victim.

As you draw him in for his final breath, a guttural noise assaults your ears. After a flash of light, saldana is gone.

saldana was Nosta Khan!

As the flash of light dissipates, you all look around at each other and notice that you are no longer the same image. Normality has been restored. Suddenly, EagleFan stumbles to the ground.

"Be calm, laddies, and fight proud."

EagleFan was Druss, the Legend and has succumbed to poison.

The Nadir army still awaits outside the gates, and Druss is dead, but the infilitrators have been destroyed. Who can say what happens next?

[The Jackal]

The village wins!

[The Jackal]

Thanks for playing, everyone. I struggled with deciding if the teams were balanced, but I feel pretty confident. The lynch and night action of day 3 could have gone much differently and given the wolves a great chance of winning.

[path12]

Woot!

You guys, I was so close to losing this game for us.

[The Jackal]

I didn't do the stories much justice but anyone who enjoys heroic fantasy should give David Gemmell a shot. Druss and Waylander are two of my all-time favorite literary characters.

[path12]

Thanks for running it Jackal. Had a good time.

[The Jackal]

Who's up next?? I want to play again.

[timmae]

Awesome stuff jackal!! Thanks for running this! Go village (although I didn't help any). Looking forward to the next game so I can learn how to play this damn game!!!!!

[EagleFan]

Thanks for running the game Jackal. Good job village!!!

[cheekimonk]

Thanks, Jackal! And thanks for tolerating a new player, everyone. I got a healthy dose of direct lessons and painful ones. Definitely agree with Jackal that D3 was the turning point. Not sure the village survives if that lynch goes to font instead of me. Again, learned a lot.

Looking forward to next game!

[Narcizo]

You mean Path wasn't a baddy? Damn! ;)

I'm going to be a sad bunny if posting smilies is considered suspicious now.

[cheekimonk]

You mean Path wasn't a baddy? Damn! ;)

I'm going to be a sad bunny if posting smilies is considered suspicious now.

No doubt. Note: smiley face = baddie. Got it.

[Grover]

Thanks for running a great game Jackal!

[JAG]

Thanks, Jackal! And thanks for tolerating a new player, everyone. I got a healthy dose of direct lessons and painful ones. Definitely agree with Jackal that D3 was the turning point. Not sure the village survives if that lynch goes to font instead of me. Again, learned a lot.

Looking forward to next game!

Nice job with your first game, it's rough starting out as a wolf.

Thanks for running the game Jackal.

[saldana]

thanks for the game everyone, had a lot of fun with this one...sorry i couldnt stretch it out longer for us

[path12]

I'd have ended up bad if I'd have duked that vote to fontesian like I almost did.

[HomerSimpson98]

Thanks Jackal for putting this together! Enjoyed it!

That day 3 was insane. Font, you are one helluva player.

[path12]

I'd have ended up bad if I'd have duked that vote to fontesian like I almost did.

font, I swear to God I had that spelled correctly. My phone autocorrected to my misspelling from earlier.

[fontisian]

You mean Path wasn't a baddy? Damn! ;)

I'm going to be a sad bunny if posting smilies is considered suspicious now.
Kill the witch!

It's highly circumstantial. Path's lightheartedness at the beginning of the game, for example, was a small towntell.

Path: It's too late. The damage is done. Especially because you didn't just edit it out of history.

[EagleFan]

Even though I was giving her crap on day one, I felt better about fontesian after that...

:devil:

[fontisian]

There will be a reckoning.

[path12]

Path: It's too late. The damage is done. Especially because you didn't just edit it out of history.

I'm generally striving for honesty at this point of my life.

[cheekimonk]

By far the most perplexing thing to me (though I'm certain there were other nuances I may have missed completely) was the argument, put in writing by font...even if others thought it, that the level of indignation at being a target was an indication of my good/evil status. But it is supported here: WW strategies: see "Agnespoodle Method of Villager Identification (AMVI)" (http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/65796/glossary-werewolf-strategy-must-read-werewolf-play).

I'm an analytical person by nature. I manage teams that are a broad mix of personalities and I constantly deal in negotiations. Vociferous indignation has never been an indicator of right/wrong or truth/lie, just a distinct personality type. I guess it's a meta-game element that is so establish one has to start from that baseline.

[fontisian]

My question would be how you see yourself acting and feeling in that exact situation, except as town.

Would you still have posted this?
Is there any reasoning I can address? All I see is:



With your reveal, voting me out takes us to 6:3 at best, 5:4 at worst (lynching me, your death, and their NK). This could be a game-deciding vote so I at least want to know I made my case and it isn't just carelessness that got me, and the village, killed. I'd like to play with you guys again in the future. :D
When I read that, I see curiosity as to what got you caught and how you were careless, and an attempt (perhaps subconscious) to be nice to EF and the other players as a whole so that they'll be nice and refrain from voting you.

[Suicane75]

Thanks for running the game Jackal, I enjoyed.

[path12]

Agnespoodle, there's a name I haven't seen in awhile. I think the BGG group, insidery as it can be, is a great place to learn more about this game. I did a three - four month immersion there years ago when trying to understand what was going on.

As badly as I played this time I should head over there again.

[britrock88]

Agnespoodle, there's a name I haven't seen in awhile. I think the BGG group, insidery as it can be, is a great place to learn more about this game. I did a three - four month immersion there years ago when trying to understand what was going on.

As badly as I played this time I should head over there again.

If you do, poke around and look for some of us. CrimsonFox is on a break I think, but Autumn has played over there (DannyHammer), Danny a time or two (Danny4), EF does sometimes (same name), and I'm signed up for a bunch.

[EagleFan]

Been a while since I played there. Can be fun but overwhelming at times. Remember the first game I signed up for and when checking in after work on day one I was like 15 pages behind.

[Poli]

Sorry I couldn't follow along on this.

[Ronn91]

Raven was someone I was thinking about for that reason also Zinto. I need to read back though, haven't been able to devote much time to the thread today.