Super Bowl XL

[tucker rocky]

Assessment so far, ok game, not much drama, ok commercials, and a bland HT show.

[cthomer5000]

Roethlisberger absolutely lost his mind on that pass. 10-14 point swing there. Un-freakin-believable. The Seahawks clearly have all the momentum now, and the Steelers playcalling is getting suspect.

[biological warrior]

The Final Quarter.
What is going to happen? Dont know but I can tell you one thing:
Whoever leads by the end of the 4th wins the game.http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Senator]

The game was called early in the 3rd.

[biological warrior]

Seattle is making plays when they need to.

[GrantDawg]

The game was called early in the 3rd.

That's right. I don't know why they continue to play. :)

[tucker rocky]

Dont know but I can tell you one thing:
Whoever leads by the end of the 4th wins the game.http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/wink.gif

Or god forbid OT. :)

[Senator]

That's right. I don't know why they continue to play. :)


LOL. I guess because we are bored.

[GrantDawg]

Roethlisberger absolutely lost his mind on that pass. 10-14 point swing there. Un-freakin-believable. The Seahawks clearly have all the momentum now, and the Steelers playcalling is getting suspect.

Yup. If they lose, Big Ben wears the goat collar.

[Craptacular]

Oh no, Stevens catches it, and a flag takes it away.

[kingfc22]

ANOTHER play wiped out by a penalty.

[biological warrior]

Dah! These holding plays are what will ultimately kill Seattle.

[Craptacular]

This series seems oddly familiar to the Steeler's one late in the first half.

[kingfc22]

Ehh, horse collar anyone?

[Eaglesfan27]

Finally, Matt makes a mistake!

[GrantDawg]

Game saver if stands.

[kingfc22]

Block?!! WTF, he was making the tackle.

[Craptacular]

This series seems oddly familiar to the Steeler's one late in the first half.ok, except the Steelers caught both QBs' bad throws

[GrantDawg]

Ehh, horse collar anyone?
Looked like one to me, but only on the replay.

[kingfc22]

Seriously, what are these refs watching?

[miami_fan]

Somebody want to explain the penalty?

[DaddyTorgo]

wow. that's quite the swing there too

[AlexB]

How can that be a block below the waist - it was a TACKLE

[biological warrior]

Seriously, what are these refs watching? Didnt look like a low block either.

[Coffee Warlord]

Who the hell calls that kind of penalty on a freakin' quarterback trying to make a tackle?

[GrantDawg]

Somebody want to explain the penalty?

That one was weird, but in going for the tackle he also took out another player below the knee. I don't see how they call that a block, though.

[Dutch]

Wow. The ref's *seem* to be in the Steeler's back pocket. They come out at just the right time with those flags...

[Eaglesfan27]

Well, Al offers a reasonable explanation of what the refs must have been thinking.

[Eaglesfan27]

That being said, I think that was the first really bad call by the refs tonight.

[kingfc22]

Ugh, this postseason has been so hard to watch with the refs screwing someone over in every single game. :mad:

[GrantDawg]

Wow. The ref's *seem* to be in the Steeler's back pocket. They come out at just the right time with those flags...
It was a ref that threw the interception?

[Tekneek]

That was a horrible call. Who in their right mind thinks the QB, who just threw an interception, would illegally block the man running right next to the guy with the ball? He was obviously going for the tackle.

[tucker rocky]

Ehh, horse collar anyone?

Have yet to see it called this year, even though it was added to be called a penalty this year.

[kingfc22]

Ball Game.

[GrantDawg]

RAZZLE_DAZZLE!!!!!!

[Eaglesfan27]

Perfect trick play! Randel-El!

[DaddyTorgo]

ouch. that hurts. dare i say ballgame?

[TroyF]

I hope to God the refs at least gave the Seahawks some Vasoline before the game.

This is beyond ridiculous. The holding call was horrible and the "block" call was beyond horrible.

The NFL needs to clean house. The reffing in the playoffs has sucked. And the reffing in this game is reprehinsible. There is no excuse for this.

[Craptacular]

Enough momentum changes this half???

[GrantDawg]

Ball Game.

Eh, it was already called.

[Dutch]

The Steelers, the NFL, and the ref's SCORE!!! Bettis is coming home, baby! :rolleyes:

No holding either.

[duckman]

A little trickery pays off!

[cougarfreak]

I hope to God the refs at least gave the Seahawks some Vasoline before the game.

This is beyond ridiculous. The holding call was horrible and the "block" call was beyond horrible.

The NFL needs to clean house. The reffing in the playoffs has sucked. And the reffing in this game is reprehinsible. There is no excuse for this.

Amen to that.

[miami_fan]

Back to the interception. I can't see how the ref even announces that play. On the interception return, the QB who threw the INT is throwing an block?

[DaddyTorgo]

Amen to that.why is the NFL the one league that has yet to move to full-time professional referees?? it's really ridiculous at this point.

(at least i don't think they've made this move yet have they? they really fucking ought to!)

[TroyF]

It was a ref that threw the interception?


Nope, the Seahawks can blame themselves. They've been the better team throughout and consistently have shot themselves in the foot.

But for a ref (ANY REF) to give a 15 yard penalty on a tackle should be immediate dismissal. These guys are so far over their head it isn't even funny. And it's been decidedly one sided when it comes to calls in this game.

[kingfc22]

I really hope SOMEONE rips into the NFL after this game for the crap they call referees this postseason.

[kingfc22]

Matt you were down, but nobody touched you. *hits head on desk*

Fumble.

edit: He was touched.

[Craptacular]

he WAS contacted

[Craptacular]

easy overturn

[TroyF]

The entire crew should be fired. PERIOD.

[AlexB]

Has to be reversed - was touchedby Foote, but you can;t blame the refs for not seeing it on the field

[DaddyTorgo]

wow. seattle just can't do anything right. for all that the refs have done wrong in this game, seattle has shot themselves in the foot many times

[Pumpy Tudors]

The referee should be fired on the spot if he does not overturn this fumble call.

[tucker rocky]

Down by contact, no fumble.

[biological warrior]

You guys see one of the refs yell at Hasselbeck. And ruling the fumble with such conviction.

[kingfc22]

easy overturnWhoa, don't underestimate the NFL refs. You did see Troy not catch that INT from Peyton right?

[GrantDawg]

Nope, the Seahawks can blame themselves. They've been the better team throughout and consistently have shot themselves in the foot.

But for a ref (ANY REF) to give a 15 yard penalty on a tackle should be immediate dismissal. These guys are so far over their head it isn't even funny. And it's been decidedly one sided when it comes to calls in this game.

I'm usually on your side, Troy, but I just don't even think this is the worst called game this post-season. It is no worse than a regular season game. I've seen one bad call (the tackle/block). The TD you were crying about earlier was a toss-up and no way clear either way.

[Dutch]

easy overturn

This is not Jerome Bettis' team...anything can happen with this.

[Craptacular]

Whoa, don't underestimate the NFL refs. You did see Troy not catch that INT from Peyton right?touche

[SnowMan]

Ok..I'm not one for conspiracies, but that holding call was BS, they missed two offsides calls and then wtf was with "blocking below the waist" on a TACKLE????

This call will go to Pittsburgh too. I hope I'm wrong, but I just get a feeling that the NFL wants Bettis to get his ring.

[TroyF]

The referee should be fired on the spot if he does not overturn this fumble call.


No, he should be fired before it. This decision has now cost Seattle it's last challenge. The fact Seattle had to waste a challenge on on obvious call is sickening.

I wonder how Joey Porter is going to respond to this.

[tucker rocky]

Even if he wasn't touch, the ground can't cause a fumble.
Or can it?

[cougarfreak]

wow. seattle just can't do anything right. for all that the refs have done wrong in this game, seattle has shot themselves in the foot many times

You mean with the "penalties"??? This has been fucking ludicrous.

[kingfc22]

but you can't blame the refs for not seeing it on the field
I agree with this. It would be hard to see during the action IMO.

[ChiMatt]

if they dont oveturn that call just end the game. set up the stage and give bettis the MVP.

[biological warrior]

That ref sounds like he's not happy with that call.

[SnowMan]

Good call. But yep, cost them their last challenge.

[Eaglesfan27]

The overturn was correct. The blocking call on the interception return is the only truly indisputably bad call this game.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Shut the fuck up, Al Michaels. Hasselbeck was down as soon as his KNEE touched the ground, which was before either of his elbows hit. Good grief.

[Bearcat729]

Well at least they made 1 good call

[TroyF]

I'm usually on your side, Troy, but I just don't even think this is the worst called game this post-season. It is no worse than a regular season game. I've seen one bad call (the tackle/block). The TD you were crying about earlier was a toss-up and no way clear either way.

You really think that was a hold on the previous play to Stevens?

Are you kidding me?

[kingfc22]

if they dont oveturn that call just end the game. set up the stage and give bettis the MVP.ROFL

[Masked]

Even if he wasn't touch, the ground can't cause a fumble.
Or can it?If you fall down untouched, the ground can cause a fumble. The ground cannot cause a fumble if you are tackled.

[Craptacular]

That ref sounds like he's not happy with that call.
I was thinking the same thing.

[SnowMan]

You really think that was a hold on the previous play to Stevens?

Are you kidding me?Bingo, worst call of the game that could decide the outcome.

[kingfc22]

Seattle needs to score a TD before the clock hits 4 minutes left.

[GrantDawg]

You really think that was a hold on the previous play to Stevens?

Are you kidding me?

I didn't replay it. Holding calls are always in the hands of the refs.

[Pumpy Tudors]

WE HAVE A SENECA WALLACE SIGHTING!

[tucker rocky]

Shut the fuck up, Al Michaels. Hasselbeck was down as soon as his KNEE touched the ground, which was before either of his elbows hit. Good grief.

I'm glad them 2 are gone after this game. It was good while it lasted, but now its old.

...and absolutely to what you said about his knees being down.

[biological warrior]

I really hope SOMEONE rips into the NFL after this game for the crap they call referees this postseason. I havent seen any of the ''high profile'' refs this post season.

[SnowMan]

Have the refs ever won a Super Bowl MVP trophy?

[TroyF]

I didn't replay it. Holding calls are always in the hands of the refs.


OK, that's fine. Then how is it only one team is holding today?

Sorry guys, this is a joke. The TD call was ridiculous not only because it was blown (TWICE no less), but because the ref didn't make the call until after Ben was down and had moved the ball over the line.

The push off by Jackson was iffy at best and the constant penalties everytime Seattle has a big play is just a bit bizzare, don't you think? What are we at for Seattle now, something like 7 penalties for 70 yards, and at least 5 of those calls came on big plays.

The Steelers have 3 penalties and two of those were illegal precedures on the first drive of the game. You'll forgive me if I don't believe the Steelers have played a penalty free game here.

[biological warrior]

So, who do you think will be the MVP?

[miami_fan]

I am going to give my vote to Ben for MVP. He has made the two biggest plays for the Steelers and his mistake has not hurt them.

[kingfc22]

So, who do you think will be the MVP?Willie Parker. His long TD turned the game around after the half with his huge run.

[Pumpy Tudors]

So, who do you think will be the MVP?comedy referee answer

[SnowMan]

Are you serious...that clock was at 0.

[GrantDawg]

OK, that's fine. Then how is it only one team is holding today?

Sorry guys, this is a joke. The TD call was ridiculous not only because it was blown (TWICE no less), but because the ref didn't make the call until after Ben was down and had moved the ball over the line.

The push off by Jackson was iffy at best and the constant penalties everytime Seattle has a big play is just a bit bizzare, don't you think? What are we at for Seattle now, something like 7 penalties for 70 yards, and at least 5 of those calls came on big plays.

The Steelers have 3 penalties and two of those were illegal precedures on the first drive of the game. You'll forgive me if I don't believe the Steelers have played a penalty free game here.
They haven't. They have had an offensive pass interference called on them, too. Their first series had two penalties help them to a three and out. Your lack of memory of Steeler penalties is pretty telling of how objective you are being.

[TroyF]

Another thing. . . I'm not dissapointed to see the Steelers win this game. I picked Seattle, but I have no money on it and I like both teams. I'm happy Cowher is finally going to get a ring. And Hines Ward, Polomalu, Hampton, Radall-El, Heath Miller and Big Ben are some of my favorite players in this league. . .

But this has been a joke.

[kingfc22]

Are you serious...that clock was at 0.I'm sure the refs thought it was an 8.

[TroyF]

They haven't. They have had an offensive pass interference called on them, too. Their first series had two penalties help them to a three and out. Your lack of memory of Steeler penalties is pretty telling of how objective you are being.


Did I or did I not mention the Steelers two illegal procedure penalties on their first drive?

[Dutch]

I wonder if Seattle can come back if they get a penalty on every play over 10 yards? :D

[cthomer5000]

Pretty ugly game with neither team playing particularly well. Looks pretty sure that the Steelers will hold on here.

[biological warrior]

Hines Ward (if Pitt wins) 5 catches 123 yds 1td, but Parker could very well be, Even Jerome might be a shoe in.

[SnowMan]

They haven't. They have had an offensive pass interference called on them, too. Their first series had two penalties help them to a three and out. Your lack of memory of Steeler penalties is pretty telling of how objective you are being.So "penalties" have cost the Steelers 2 drives down at their own 20ish, and "penalties" have cost the Seahawks 2 or 3 scores (field position and result of plays tell me they'd have scored).

[GrantDawg]

OK, that's fine. Then how is it only one team is holding today?

Sorry guys, this is a joke. The TD call was ridiculous not only because it was blown (TWICE no less), but because the ref didn't make the call until after Ben was down and had moved the ball over the line.

The push off by Jackson was iffy at best and the constant penalties everytime Seattle has a big play is just a bit bizzare, don't you think? What are we at for Seattle now, something like 7 penalties for 70 yards, and at least 5 of those calls came on big plays.

The Steelers have 3 penalties and two of those were illegal precedures on the first drive of the game. You'll forgive me if I don't believe the Steelers have played a penalty free game here.

And your interpretation of the TD is just that: your interpretation. The line judge walked up to be sure of the position of the line and where he saw the ball and then called a touchdown. Ben moving the ball had nothing to do with it. It was a close call that on the replay was close enough that I'd call it a touchdown. You act like he was a yard away, and he wasn't.

[Dutch]

They haven't. They have had an offensive pass interference called on them, too. Their first series had two penalties help them to a three and out. Your lack of memory of Steeler penalties is pretty telling of how objective you are being.

Those were setup to make you believe. Jerome Bettis is comin' home, baby! Woo!

[Craptacular]

First down here, and it's over.

[SnowMan]

His hand was in the air, spotting the ball. Then Ben moved the ball and the TD was called. Make a call and don't let history change your mind.

[GrantDawg]

So "penalties" have cost the Steelers 2 drives down at their own 20ish, and "penalties" have cost the Seahawks 2 or 3 scores (field position and result of plays tell me they'd have scored).

Penalties that the Seahawks were clearly guity of cost them touchdowns, yes.

[kingfc22]

*cough* hold *cough*

[Dutch]

No holding on that Rothlisburger run either. Bettis is comin' home! Woo!

[TroyF]

And your interpretation of the TD is just that: your interpretation. The line judge walked up to be sure of the position of the line and where he saw the ball and then called a touchdown. Ben moving the ball had nothing to do with it. It was a close call that on the replay was close enough that I'd call it a touchdown. You act like he was a yard away, and he wasn't.


I'm going to ask you again Grant. You questioned my objectivity and cited that I didn't remember the Steeler penalties. Did I or did I not mention the two procedure penalties in the post you criticized me about?

As for the TD, the ref had a clear view. Crystal clear. It was either a TD or it wasn't. I can live with him making a call straight up and missing it. I have a tougher time dealing with him not making the call, watching Ben move the ball from the half yard line to the goal line and then calling a TD. That's ridiculous.

[cthomer5000]

Hines Ward (if Pitt wins) 5 catches 123 yds 1td, but Parker could very well be, Even Jerome might be a shoe in.
Ward got my vote. He also had the 18 yard run in the first half.

[PilotMan]

This is one ugly game, certainly not one for the ages.

Not that I am going to complain about the result.

[SnowMan]

Penalties that the Seahawks were clearly guity of cost them touchdowns, yes.That push-off by D-Jack was NOT clear, nor was the hold by Locklear...who's view is skewed here, anyways?

[Buccaneer]

Pretty ugly game with neither team playing particularly well. Looks pretty sure that the Steelers will hold on here.Sounds about right. I guess there is hope for Falcons fans afterall. A QB can go 9 for 21, 123 yds with 2 picks and still win the SB. :)

[biological warrior]

I think that's it folks.

[Blade6119]

I am going to break the 300 post mark, but at least I might have the record of reading this forum everyday for more than six years without having 300 posts. Some kind of trophy is order right..... :)
Your at 299

[Craptacular]

As for the TD, the ref had a clear view. Crystal clear. It was either a TD or it wasn't. I can live with him making a call straight up and missing it. I have a tougher time dealing with him not making the call, watching Ben move the ball from the half yard line to the goal line and then calling a TD. That's ridiculous.Troy, I agree with that post 100%. However, I do believe that the TD was correctly upheld by replay.

[biological warrior]

Wonder how the Mannings are feeling right now.

[TroyF]

That push-off by D-Jack was NOT clear, nor was the hold by Locklear...who's view is skewed here, anyways?


Exactly, my objectivity gets questions and someone says those two calls were clear? yeah, one was clear, the Locklear call was clearly wrong. The Jackson call was iffy at best.

[PilotMan]

That push-off by D-Jack was NOT clear, nor was the hold by Locklear...who's view is skewed here, anyways?
C'mon on, the push off was clear as day. That shove that changed the direction of the defender. Or did he just run into an invisible wall?

[GrantDawg]

I'm going to ask you again Grant. You questioned my objectivity and cited that I didn't remember the Steeler penalties. Did I or did I not mention the two procedure penalties in the post you criticized me about?

As for the TD, the ref had a clear view. Crystal clear. It was either a TD or it wasn't. I can live with him making a call straight up and missing it. I have a tougher time dealing with him not making the call, watching Ben move the ball from the half yard line to the goal line and then calling a TD. That's ridiculous.

I'm sorry but I didn't not notice your mentioning of the procedure call. I responded after reading your "how is one team holding" comment. My bad.

The rest of what I've said still stands. You're wrong on the "crystal clear" thing. I've seen line judges make that delayed call many, many times. Ben moving the ball did not change the call.

[Schmidty]

What a crappy game.

[TroyF]

Sounds about right. I guess there is hope for Falcons fans afterall. A QB can go 9 for 21, 123 yds with 2 picks and still win the SB. :)


12-22, 123 yards, 1 INT, 0TD.

John Elway against the Packers in the 1997 Super Bowl.

Holmgren has been beat twice in the big game by QB's having subpar games.

[GrantDawg]

Exactly, my objectivity gets questions and someone says those two calls were clear? yeah, one was clear, the Locklear call was clearly wrong. The Jackson call was iffy at best.
The Jackson call was "iffy?" He pushed off and then caught the ball. He might have gotten away with it if the ref wasn't right there, but it was clear as a bell.

[SnowMan]

C'mon on, the push off was clear as day. That shove that changed the direction of the defender. Or did he just run into an invisible wall?He wasn't moving. He was already stopped. They both had their hands on each other and when D-Jack cut back his arm extended. The defender didn't get a good jump, D-Jack did. Touchdown overruled so the NFL could get their winner finally. After all, Indy lost to Pittsburgh and the NFL jumped on the wagon. Well I dont buy into conspiracies so I take that back, but the refs sucked hard in this game.

[Craptacular]

To me, the Jackson call wasn't bad. I actually think D Jack tried to push off (right in front of the ref), but didn't do it effectively. He made a push-off type motion, made some contact, and there was separation created. So I can see how the back judge (or whoever that was) made that call, and I can't blame him.

[TroyF]

I'm sorry but I didn't not notice your mentioning of the procedure call. I responded after reading your "how is one team holding" comment. My bad.

The rest of what I've said still stands. You're wrong on the "crystal clear" thing. I've seen line judges make that delayed call many, many times. Ben moving the ball did not change the call.


Fine. Disagree with me. Like the ref making the call right away, I can live with that.

Don't question my objectivity because you disagree with my opinion or choose to read half my posts.

[TroyF]

What did astrosfan bet, was the line 3.5? Wouldn't he be pissed off now if Seattle scored and got a two point conversion.

[biological warrior]

If they only made those 2 fg's earlier......

[kingfc22]

If they only made those 2 fg's earlier......Was just about to post the same thing.

[GrantDawg]

If they only made those 2 fg's earlier......
Yup. Those stinking refs should have moved the goal posts. :)

[Galaxy]

Does the NFL need to get rid of the bye week in between the title games? Seems like teams get out motion with it.

[kingfc22]

These playcalls are HORRIBLE

[biological warrior]

:Wonders why they dont attempt to go for the end zone:

[GrantDawg]

Does the NFL need to get rid of the bye week in between the title games? Seems like teams get out motion with it.
I wish they would.

[Craptacular]

What do you think Porter said to Stevens there?

[biological warrior]

Jeez that drived looked like the one before half time.

[TroyF]

Nice class there by the Steelers. Taunting Stevens when he's down. Really calssy guys there.

[Galaxy]

Hasselback is a crappy decision maker.

[Dutch]

Steelers Win. They earned it. :rolleyes:

[Schmidty]

WORST CALL EVER!

HOLMGREN SHOULD BE FIRED!

[kingfc22]

Bah, another team with 5 rings. Boo!

[miami_fan]

If they only executed at the end of the first half. I am not going to say the refs cost the Seahawks the game. The Seahawks did a lot of wrong things that cost them the game. But the refs were absolutely horrible in this game.

Congrats to the Steelers

[DaddyTorgo]

well that's some fucked-up clock management. you deserve to lose for that mike holmgren. even madden is saying you had to kick the FG after one shot at the endzone

[PilotMan]

He wasn't moving. He was already stopped. They both had their hands on each other and when D-Jack cut back his arm extended. The defender didn't get a good jump, D-Jack did. Touchdown overruled so the NFL could get their winner finally. After all, Indy lost to Pittsburgh and the NFL jumped on the wagon. Well I dont buy into conspiracies so I take that back, but the refs sucked hard in this game.
Wow, did you really see the play, because that is not what I saw. I saw a runner make a move to the inside and push off with the defender falling away.
As far as the NFL wanting Pitt to win I call BS. A story of a franchise making to the top of the mountain is equally as good.

[SnowMan]

Congrats Pittsburgh. Ugly game but the scoreboard matters. In all honesty, I really hope the NFL reviews the whole officials-during-the-playoffs debacle and find a way to take them out of the outcome of the game.

[Craptacular]

Wow, a 6 seed wins it all.

[kingfc22]

There you go Bettis. Hope you made the NFL happy with this "great" story.

[Galaxy]

Cowher is looking for Mike...

[SnowMan]

Wow, did you really see the play, because that is not what I saw. I saw a runner make a move to the inside and push off with the defender falling away.
As far as the NFL wanting Pitt to win I call BS. A story of a franchise making to the top of the mountain is equally as good.You missed the part about the Northwest team that wouldn't sell any merchandise. http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/wink.gif

[miami_fan]

Nice class there by the Steelers. Taunting Stevens when he's down. Really calssy guys there.

That is only classless for certain teams. :rolleyes:

[TroyF]

Congrats to Cowher and the Steelers team. They had an amazing run in the playoffs and clearly destiny was on their side.

I will not back down from the refs though. That was one of the most biased, horrific reffing performences I've ever seen in a Super Bowl. It was truly a horrible effort and I sincerely hope I never see any of this crew in another Super Bowl again.

[timmynausea]

i see Pittsburg winning it 21-10


Whoa. I was thinking my 24-13 was pretty good.

[Galaxy]

Steelers owner looks pretty lifeless for winning a SB.

[PilotMan]

WTF with Holmgren not coming out to shake?

[Craptacular]

Did Holmgren fall in a hole, or what?

[biological warrior]

Did the Steelers have a holdng penalty called? Odd , since they ran the ball alot.

[AlexB]

There were a couple of questionable calls, but Seattle made more mistakes than the Steelers, none more obvious than their sheer ineptitude inside both two minute warnings... Not sure if looking at the way the Pittsburgh played you could say it was so good they deserved to win, but the Seahawks definitely did not deserve a victory off that performance today

[Schmidty]

Holmgren is an overrated jackass. Always has been and always will be.

[cthomer5000]

Does the NFL need to get rid of the bye week in between the title games? Seems like teams get out motion with it.
IT's all about the tourism for the hos city. THey'll be going with the bye week as often as possible until the end of time.

[kingfc22]

Did Holmgren fall in a hole, or what?I want to see him just rip into the officiating in his news conference. That would make my day.http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[PilotMan]

If Holmgren didn't come out to shake that is a totally classless decision on his part. Total BS, I will lose all respect for him if that is the case.

[QuikSand]

Easily the most frustrating Superbowl I have watched.

I wasn't rooting for Seattle with any vigor, and I am generally opposed to blaming the officials for the outcome... but seeing three obviously game-changing "close calls" all go against the Seahawks was truly difficult to watch. Then, watching them inexplicably and catastrophically mismanage the end of both halves made it even more so.

More grinding of my teeth in that game than in any I can ever remember, certainly for a Superbowl game.

[SnowMan]

Congrats to Cowher and the Steelers team. They had an amazing run in the playoffs and clearly destiny was on their side.

I will not back down from the refs though. That was one of the most biased, horrific reffing performences I've ever seen in a Super Bowl. It was truly a horrible effort and I sincerely hope I never see any of this crew in another Super Bowl again.Quoted for truth. I've never seen a Super Bowl this ugly, and I've seen my team lose before so I don't think it's just that. I don't mind getting beat by the other team, or even if you make mistakes that gives the other team the game. But when there are so many iffy calls that go all in favor of one team, it's a tough thing to handle.

[TroyF]

That is only classless for certain teams. :rolleyes:


Ohy believe me, I can't stand it when "my team" does it. It's out of line no matter what team or player does it. For two Steeler LB's to stand over Stevens and taunt him in that situation is about as classless as it gets. Doesn't mean they are classless players. Doesn't mean I don't like them. (actually, I like both Porter and Haggand, CSU boys)

But what they did there WAS classless. Say what you want about the Patriots (and I especially hate the cheap shot artist Harrison), they don't act like that when they beat you. They handled the wins with dignity. Much, much more than the Steelers showed there.

[biological warrior]

Hasselbeck looked very confused during the final drive before ht and during the 2 min drill. Does he always have that deer in the headlights look>?

[astrosfan64]

What did astrosfan bet, was the line 3.5? Wouldn't he be pissed off now if Seattle scored and got a two point conversion.

Line was 4.0 where I bet. I had half my money on a straight steeler bet -4. Which I won. Then I teased the second half of my money, to +2 Steelers and over 40 1/2. Didn't hit the over.

I broke even on the superbowl.

Should of just bet it straight up and said screw the teaser.

[lynchjm24]

Congrats to Cowher and the Steelers team. They had an amazing run in the playoffs and clearly destiny was on their side.

I will not back down from the refs though. That was one of the most biased, horrific reffing performences I've ever seen in a Super Bowl. It was truly a horrible effort and I sincerely hope I never see any of this crew in another Super Bowl again.

I wouldn't call it biased. Just horribly inept and a disgrace to the stripes. Never mind Super Bowl that was a bad performance for a Titans/Ravens game in October.

[Galaxy]

If Holmgren didn't come out to shake that is a totally classless decision on his part. Total BS, I will lose all respect for him if that is the case.


Agree, and I was rooting for the Hawks (only thanks to astrofan). I do like Cowher a lot. I like how he was concern over congratting Holmgreen for five minutes or so. A classy guy.

[biological warrior]

Easily the most frustrating Superbowl I have watched.

I wasn't rooting for Seattle with any vigor, and I am generally opposed to blaming the officials for the outcome... but seeing three obviously game-changing "close calls" all go against the Seahawks was truly difficult to watch. Then, watching them inexplicably and catastrophically mismanage the end of both halves made it even more so.

More grinding of my teeth in that game than in any I can ever remember, certainly for a Superbowl game. Couldnt have said it better myself. and congrats on 12000.

[Senator]

Easily the most frustrating Superbowl I have watched.

I wasn't rooting for Seattle with any vigor, and I am generally opposed to blaming the officials for the outcome... but seeing three obviously game-changing "close calls" all go against the Seahawks was truly difficult to watch. Then, watching them inexplicably and catastrophically mismanage the end of both halves made it even more so.

More grinding of my teeth in that game than in any I can ever remember, certainly for a Superbowl game.

This sums it up for me. Now, the long wait for next season. The long wait.

[kingfc22]

Agree, and I was rooting for the Hawks. I do like Cowher a lot.
Yea, I was rooting for the Steelers to go to the SB once NE went down in the AFC and would probably have rooted for them today if they had played CAR. Glad to see Cowher win one since he is a very solid coach and I would love to have him coach my team anytime.

[Craptacular]

Regarding Holmgren ...

The only thing I can think of is that the guy who was leading Cohwer onto the field took him away from midfield ... down to like the 20. Was Holmgren at midfield? Did it just take a while for them to get together? If Holmgren did take off, I agree, I would lose almost all respect for him.

[astrosfan64]

Neither team should of won.

[TroyF]

I wouldn't call it biased. Just horribly inept and a disgrace to the stripes. Never mind Super Bowl that was a bad performance for a Titans/Ravens game in October.


If both teams had been treated to equally poor officiating, I wouldn't have used the word biased. But for EVERY major call in the game to go against Seattle, I'm calling it biased. I don't care how the NFL tries to spin it. I felt like I was watching an NBA game today. (and before the NBA fans blast me, I love the NBA despite the consistently biased officiating in that league)

[GrantDawg]

It was not the prettiest of games, and one Seattle should have won. They have no one but themselves to blame for the loss, though. I'm happy for Cowher, and Hines.

[cuervo72]

Neither team should of won.


ping: QuikSand

[Schmidty]

Then, watching them inexplicably and catastrophically mismanage the end of both halves made it even more so.

THAT was the deciding factor of this game. And Holmgren is responsible for it. What a fucking moron.

[biological warrior]

Jeez, Tagliabue sounds lifeless.

[cthomer5000]

Very weird game, and not a particularly fun one to watch. Seattle shot themselves in the foot repeatedly, while the Steelers only did so once or twice.

I'm very happy for Cowher and Bettis, they've earned it over the course of their careers. The game rates pretty low on the Super-Bowl-O-Meter though.

[biological warrior]

Anyone have the final time of possession for both teams?

[JW]

BREAKING: AP votes Colts NFL Champions.

[kingfc22]

The game rates pretty low on the Super-Bowl-O-Meter though.
And so did the commercials.

[GrantDawg]

Very weird game, and not a particularly fun one to watch. Seattle shot themselves in the foot repeatedly, while the Steelers only did so once or twice.

I'm very happy for Cowher and Bettis, they've earned it over the course of their careers. The game rates pretty low on the Super-Bowl-O-Meter though.
It wasn't as bad as the blow-outs, but it will not be remembered as a great one.

[SunDevil]

Regardless, of who I wanted to win, Bill Cohwer just made me realized what I try champion is suppose to do. I am impressed.

[kingfc22]

Anyone have the final time of possession for both teams?SEA - 33:02
PIT - 26:58

[Craptacular]

THAT was the deciding factor of this game. And Holmgren is responsible for it. What a fucking moron.I think the QB f-ed up the first half. They probably called two plays during the previous TO, and apparently, Matt audibled TWICE with the clock running.

[cthomer5000]

Anyone have the final time of possession for both teams?
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</td><td class="bg3">http://images.nfl.com/images/gamecenter/minilogos/SEA.gif</td><td class="bg3">http://images.nfl.com/images/gamecenter/minilogos/PIT.gif</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td align="left">1st Downs</td><td align="right">20</td><td align="right">14</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td align="left">Rushing</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right">6</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td align="left">Passing</td><td align="right">15</td><td align="right">8</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td align="left">Penalty</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td align="left">3rd-Down Conversions</td><td align="right">5-17</td><td align="right">8-15</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td align="left">4th-Down Conversions</td><td align="right">1-2</td><td align="right">0-0</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td align="left">Punts-Average</td><td align="right">6-50.2</td><td align="right">6-48.7</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td align="left">Return Yards</td><td align="right">174</td><td align="right">99</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td align="left">Punts-Returns</td><td align="right">4-27</td><td align="right">2-32</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td align="left">Kickoffs-Returns</td><td align="right">4-71</td><td align="right">2-43</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td align="left">Int.-Returns</td><td align="right">2-76</td><td align="right">1-24</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td align="left">Penalties-Yards</td><td align="right">7-70</td><td align="right">3-20</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td align="left">Fumbles-Lost</td><td align="right">0-0</td><td align="right">0-0</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td align="left">Time Of Pos.</td><td align="right">33:02</td><td align="right">26:58</td></tr></tbody> </table>

[PilotMan]

Will Randle El be resigned? He is a free agent. Personally, the team doesn't win without him.

[sabotai]

If both teams had been treated to equally poor officiating, I wouldn't have used the word biased. But for EVERY major call in the game to go against Seattle, I'm calling it biased. I don't care how the NFL tries to spin it. I felt like I was watching an NBA game today. (and before the NBA fans blast me, I love the NBA despite the consistently biased officiating in that league)http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Well, I just guess that certain people need their conspiracies...

[cthomer5000]

And so did the commercials.
I've never been one to enjoy them. I usually get up to take a leak, get something to drink, look at FOFC, etc...

[kingfc22]

<table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" width="100%"> <tbody><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td class="bg3" align="left">
</td><td class="bg3">http://images.nfl.com/images/gamecenter/minilogos/SEA.gif</td><td class="bg3">http://images.nfl.com/images/gamecenter/minilogos/PIT.gif</td></tr><tr class="bg3" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td align="left">Penalties-Yards</td><td align="right">7-70</td><td align="right">3-20</td></tr></tbody> </table>
How many of these took away plays over 15 yds?

[cthomer5000]

Bettis basically just announced his retirement.

[cthomer5000]

How many of these took away plays over 15 yds?
You could also ask "how many penalites allowed them to break plays of 15 yards or more?"

[sabotai]

How many of these took away plays over 15 yds?3, 2 in the first quarter and one at the beginning of the 4th (One being that obvious pass interference that led to a TD)

[SnowMan]

Ok honest question here. In regards to a penalty that really didn't matter too much in the grand scheme: How in the world do you 'block below the knees' when you're tackling the guy with the ball?

[Eaglesfan27]

If Holmgren didn't come out to shake that is a totally classless decision on his part. Total BS, I will lose all respect for him if that is the case.

Same here.

[PilotMan]

Bettis was going out on top, and I am glad that he did.

On behalf of the Steelers I would like to thank tha Chargers for completely melting down in the stretch and for showing us how to beat the Colts.

[GrantDawg]

Ok honest question here. In regards to a penalty that really didn't matter too much in the grand scheme: How in the world do you 'block below the knees' when you're tackling the guy with the ball?

That was the one call that I say they completely blew. I think that he called it on him "cutting" the player next to guy with the ball, but even then he didn't actually cut him.

[sabotai]

Ok honest question here. In regards to a penalty that really didn't matter too much in the grand scheme: How in the world do you 'block below the knees' when you're tackling the guy with the ball?That was the one horrible call that I saw. What I think the refs thought they saw (or, some of the conspiracy theorists here will say the refs made up) was that they thought Hasselback was going to the knees of the player in front of the guy that got tackled. The guy who intercepted the ball had someone running in front of him (idealy to block someone) and the refs thought he was going for the blocker's knees.

Which, as I said, was the wrong call. He clearly wasn't and the the refs fucked that one up.

[TroyF]

Ok honest question here. In regards to a penalty that really didn't matter too much in the grand scheme: How in the world do you 'block below the knees' when you're tackling the guy with the ball?


Actually, that play did matter in the grand scheme.

It moved the ball from the 35 or so to the 40. The Steelers call that trick play only around the fifty yard line. They don't call it on their side of the field. The one long run set up the trick play when if there was no penalty it would have been 1rst and 10 at the 35. The trick play would have only happened had the Steelers picked up another first down.

[PilotMan]

Ok honest question here. In regards to a penalty that really didn't matter too much in the grand scheme: How in the world do you 'block below the knees' when you're tackling the guy with the ball?
That was a bad call, but it didn't make a significant difference in the game. Certainly was a poor call though.

The break seems like it was bad for both teams as well as refs.

[Izulde]

Yay Steelers won! I said before the game I thought Bettis was going to retire if the Steelers won. I'm glad he's retiring... No better way to go out than on top... and it's great to see Cowher finally get the ring, too.

[PilotMan]

Actually, that play did matter in the grand scheme.

It moved the ball from the 35 or so to the 40. The Steelers call that trick play only around the fifty yard line. They don't call it on their side of the field. The one long run set up the trick play when if there was no penalty it would have been 1rst and 10 at the 35. The trick play would have only happened had the Steelers picked up another first down.
No way to tell if that was going to make a huge impact. Calling it important seems like a stretch at best.

[biological warrior]

On an interview here a few years back Lem Banker (Legendary Vegas handicapper) said something like: '' Some 70 NFL games over the past years being ''thrown away for betting purposes.''

[Glengoyne]

The sloppiest Superbowl in recent memory.

Calls take points off the board for the Seahawks, but the Seahawks still do more than enough to lose the game even without those setbacks. They seemingly didn't capitalize on anything.

The Steelers succeed on three scores. A Gift, a game-breaking run, and a gadget play, and then they do the little things to secure the win.

I would be willing to say that the Seahawks Lost this game, but really the Steelers did what they needed to do to beat them.

[SnowMan]

Actually, that play did matter in the grand scheme.

It moved the ball from the 35 or so to the 40. The Steelers call that trick play only around the fifty yard line. They don't call it on their side of the field. The one long run set up the trick play when if there was no penalty it would have been 1rst and 10 at the 35. The trick play would have only happened had the Steelers picked up another first down.Well, honestly that play should have never happened anyway, since the pick was set up by the ghost-holding call on Locklear....but I digress.

[TroyF]

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Well, I just guess that certain people need their conspiracies...


I dunno what you want me to say. I watched Seattle repeatedly get screwed over on questionable officiating.

I mean, even if we say that two or three of those calls are 50/50, how is it that there were none on Pittsburgh? How is it that not a single 50/50 call went Seattle's way?

Again, are you seriously telling me that the Steelers played a penalty free game in the second half and that Seattle only happened to commit their penalties everytime a big situation came up?

I'm sorry, but that was horrible.

[TroyF]

Well, honestly that play should have never happened anyway, since the pick was set up by the ghost-holding call on Locklear....but I digress.

Needed to edit that, it meant the 25 :)

[Hurst2112]

So this is what it's like to have your team win the SB. Fabulous...pure enjoyment.

[TroyF]

No way to tell if that was going to make a huge impact. Calling it important seems like a stretch at best.


I thought it was important at the time. Even if it meant nothing more than 15 yards of field position, it was a critical missed call. Any call that gives a team a free 15 yards is a big call.

Only in hindsite can we say it helped set up the trick play, but it was a factor in that.

[cthomer5000]

http://www.deadspin.com/sports/firstbenpicture.jpg.

[lynchjm24]

If both teams had been treated to equally poor officiating, I wouldn't have used the word biased. But for EVERY major call in the game to go against Seattle, I'm calling it biased. I don't care how the NFL tries to spin it. I felt like I was watching an NBA game today. (and before the NBA fans blast me, I love the NBA despite the consistently biased officiating in that league)

Biased to me means that there was intent though. I can't imagine that the referees were intentionally giving the game to Pittsburgh.

[Coffee Warlord]

Long story short...Seattle was beaten both by Pittsburgh and by the refs. Pitt did enough to win (and only that), Seattle made a bunch of fuckups, and got screwed by several ridiculous calls.

[lynchjm24]

Ok honest question here. In regards to a penalty that really didn't matter too much in the grand scheme: How in the world do you 'block below the knees' when you're tackling the guy with the ball?


It was just overofficiating. It's a rule on change of possession that you can't go through the legs of a blocker to get to the ballcarrier. Was correctly called against the Giants earlier this season, but they just blew that one.

[SnowMan]

Interesting observation: People who wanted the Seahawks to win think the ref's beat em. People who wanted the Steelers to win think the refs did fine. That's always the case. The interesting part is that people who really didn't have an interest in either team also thinks the refs were bad.

[cthomer5000]

I'm reading this thread from the beginning, having missed most of it. Very interesting how Troy has gone from saying that seattle is kiiling themselves with penalties to saying the refs were screwing them.

[sabotai]

I dunno what you want me to say.Don't say anything. I've read your posts and they strike as typical conspiracy nonsense.

[stevew]

So this is what it's like to have your team win the SB. Fabulous...pure enjoyment.

Feels good, doesnt it~!

[sabotai]

Interesting observation: People who wanted the Seahawks to win think the ref's beat em. People who wanted the Steelers to win think the refs did fine. That's always the case. The interesting part is that people who really didn't have an interest in either team also thinks the refs were bad.I honestly wasn't pulling for anyone. Both Seattle and Pittsburgh aren't on my radar of teams to pull for and pull against. I think the officials were just fine.

(But, of course, I suspect you'll just keep thinking I wanted the Steelers to win just so you can keep a hold of that fantasy of yours)

[SnowMan]

I honestly wasn't pulling for anyone. Both Seattle and Pittsburgh aren't on my radar of teams to pull for and pull against. I think the officials were just fine.

(But, of course, I suspect you'll just keep thinking I wanted the Steelers to win just so you can keep a hold of that fantasy of yours)I never say all, it's just a majority of people I talk with. It's the same with the Indy-Pitt game or Den-NE, the refs just sucked horribly this postseason, and the final game is just the punctuation at the end. Let's hope the trend stops here and we aren't back here next year having the same arguments.

[sabotai]

It's the same with the Indy-Pitt game or Den-NE, the refs just sucked horribly this postseason
I'll give you those two games (I think those two games...there were two games I thought were very badly officiated). I just think, and the most, people are making mountains out of molehills (and I think most of these just aren't there).

[Senator]

http://www.deadspin.com/sports/firstbenpicture.jpg.


Matt - you didn't run enough bleachers with that telephone pole.

[cthomer5000]

Almost forgot to mention: Jerramy Stevens was awful today. He dropped what, 4 passes?

[MikeVic]

Go Steelers!

[stevew]

Almost forgot to mention: Jerramy Stevens was awful today. He dropped what, 4 passes?

Yep, absolutely horrible.

[Travis]

Almost forgot to mention: Jerramy Stevens was awful today. He dropped what, 4 passes?Touchdown, at least 2 *real* drops, the knock away due to the helmet to ball tackle and a couple of near catches in traffic where he took some big hits plus the catch called back on the hold. Would have liked to see him make at least one of those traffic catches and rectify the drops due to the stature of the game, but while he didn't catch everything thrown his way, he's shown a lot of progress this season, and I hope he uses this as fuel to improve in the off season and get better. He definitely showed that he can use his speed and size to get in position to make the plays and be a very difficult man to cover, now he's just got to start doing the last half of the equation with more regularity.

[PackerFanatic]

Good game, the Randle El pass was awesome.

Commericials rocked too!

The Bus and Cowher totally deserved this one, go Steelers!

[Ksyrup]

Long story short...Seattle was beaten both by Pittsburgh and by the refs. Pitt did enough to win (and only that), Seattle made a bunch of fuckups, and got screwed by several ridiculous calls.
Yup. The problem with this scenario for some people, though, is that coincidentally, the best story also won the SB at the same time, leading to placing more emphasis on the officiating then necessary. The officiating was bad and went against Seattle, but they still could have, and should have, won that game.

[Desnudo]

Biased to me means that there was intent though. I can't imagine that the referees were intentionally giving the game to Pittsburgh.

Not intentionally maybe, but subconsciously? I think so. Maybe because it was a home game for the Steelers? I was just looking for a good game, but man, some of those calls were weak. They can probably be defended by a rule book lawyer, but the reality is that those plays occurred without a flinch from an official in every single NFL game this season. For them to be called, all against the Seahawks, is a joke.

[biological warrior]

The game had the makings of one of those ''Great last 5 minutes,'' but the stars weren't aligned. It would have probably been a 17-14 or a 20-17 game but maybe next year.

[ThunderingHERD]

For the 2nd straight year I fell asleep before the 4th quarter and woke up just in time to see it on the local news :mad:

[Solecismic]

That was an odd game, and horribly officiated (speaking as someone who was neutral as to team preference tonight). Statistically, Seattle had the yardage edge and the turnover edge, but just couldn't put the ball in the end zone. But questionable penalties cost them two touchdowns.

Roethlisberger had his moments, but overall was terrible. The second interception was one of the worst rookie-mistake picks I've seen in a non-rookie. Ward bailed him out in the second quarter. Randle El had the best toss of the game.

Hasselbeck's clock management at the end of each half made my early FOF versions look good.

Just not a satisfactory ending to what was really a fine season. It's a shame this game didn't come down to the last play, as it should have.

[ISiddiqui]

Congrats Pittsburgh!

Though Seattle was jobbed by the refs. If the refs made proper calls, the score would have been close as the game was. It really wasn't as lopsided as the score indicated.

Though both teams looked a bit rusty. I always have hated the 2 week break between Conference Championships and the Super Bowl. It just leads to bad football.

[jbmagic]

i see Pittsburg winning it 21-10

I really hope thats the score so that my square wins ;)

Edit: Swaggs score is good too.



how did you like my prediction. i was right on. :)

[stevew]

Will Randle El be resigned? He is a free agent. Personally, the team doesn't win without him.


Randel El is gonna go somewhere like Chicago, where they will overpay him. Steelers are pretty tight against the cap, and will most likely not be able to afford him.

[cthomer5000]

Oh, and going way back I thought it was awkward and somewhat inappropriate to have an active NFL player (Tom Brady) doing the coin toss. You have a million other retired MVPs on hand there, why not have one of them do it?

[Cringer]

Hasselbeck's clock management at the end of each half made my early FOF versions look good.


Not sure if I don't put some of this on Holmgren. This is two Holmgren Superbowls in a row in which I am not real impressed by his team's performance and some of the things they do.

Overall, it has to be hard as a big Seattle fan. I think if they had played better (no dropped balls, less penalties) they could have been right there at the end.

Congrats to the Steelers. I was going to be happy with either team winning though. I wanted Cowher to get a ring, and I grew up in Washington so I cheer on Seattle a little as the 'home state' team.

[bob]

I haven't read through the entire 15 pages, so if this has been answered already, sorry.

But why did the announcers keep suggesting kicking the field goal and then trying to get the onside kick and then score the TD. If you do that, you need FG, Onside kick, TD, 2pt conversion to tie. Without the 2pt conversion, you are screwed.

If you get the TD first, you can try the 2pt conversion, and if you get it, fine, go for the field goal, but if you miss, you know you need another TD.

Just wondering.....

[Bee]

I haven't read through the entire 15 pages, so if this has been answered already, sorry.

But why did the announcers keep suggesting kicking the field goal and then trying to get the onside kick and then score the TD. If you do that, you need FG, Onside kick, TD, 2pt conversion to tie. Without the 2pt conversion, you are screwed.

If you get the TD first, you can try the 2pt conversion, and if you get it, fine, go for the field goal, but if you miss, you know you need another TD.

Just wondering.....

I believe their reasoning was to leave as much time on the clock as possible for moving the ball down the field on the second possession. Their feeling was a TD and 2 pt conversion doesn't do any good if you waste so much time getting the first score that you don't have time to kick the field goal.

[Ksyrup]

If you've gotten far enough to get a FG, then a TD, all in the span of about 2 minutes, and end up losing simply because you didn't get the 2-point conversion, then you really can't complain about the decision to get the FG first. 99.5% of the time, the game ends like it did last night, or perhaps with one additional score. You can't wonder about whether you should have gotten the TD first because of the chance of a missed 2-pointer - with that kind of time left, you don't have the luxury of choosing how to score, or in what order.

[Butter]

Just not a satisfactory ending to what was really a fine season. It's a shame this game didn't come down to the last play, as it should have.
Really though, it was a fitting end to one of the worst postseasons in the last 20 years. Boring game after boring game... this game wasn't exactly boring, but the Seahawks just didn't make any plays at all, and every time they got close, the flags came out and they just couldn't overcome it.

Hey though, I'm with the guy who won on the squares thing... I also had Steelers 1/Seahawks 0, so if the Steelers had to win this way for me to get $75, so be it. Hooray for me!

[rkmsuf]

Had that fool Stevens been able to catch the ball it would have been closer or even a Seahawk win. Man that guy sucks.

[rkmsuf]

dola, did Holmgrem stiff Cowher on the handshake? Last I saw Cowher was standing at midfield looking around, waiting to shake the guys hand and he's nowhere to be found.

[cthomer5000]

I believe their reasoning was to leave as much time on the clock as possible for moving the ball down the field on the second possession. Their feeling was a TD and 2 pt conversion doesn't do any good if you waste so much time getting the first score that you don't have time to kick the field goal.i think the other thought is that you can score on a 75 yard play to end the game, but you can't possibly kick a field goal that long. Ultimately it doesn't really matter though.

[Raiders Army]

dola, did Holmgrem stiff Cowher on the handshake? Last I saw Cowher was standing at midfield looking around, waiting to shake the guys hand and he's nowhere to be found.
That was a pretty strange moment, but I don't remember any of the Seahawks shaking hands with Steelers. I think they just walked off.

[rkmsuf]

That was a pretty strange moment, but I don't remember any of the Seahawks shaking hands with Steelers. I think they just walked off.

nice

I wasn't impressed with Holmgren at all. The precedings left me with the impression that he's a whiny dink.

[Galaril]

I am not sure if this was already mentioned but Big Ben had a terrible game with a 20.2 passer rating based on these stats.
Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int
B. Roethlisberger 9 -- 21 123 42.9 5.9 1- 8 0 2

[Cringer]

dola, did Holmgrem stiff Cowher on the handshake? Last I saw Cowher was standing at midfield looking around, waiting to shake the guys hand and he's nowhere to be found.

From what I heard, there was some kind of problem with them getting together for some reason. They ended up getting together back in the locker room area and talking.

[rkmsuf]

From what I heard, there was some kind of problem with them getting together for some reason. They ended up getting together back in the locker room area and talking.

What kind of problem? Holmgrem crap in his pants and get his hands messy checking?

[Hurst2112]

Randel El is gonna go somewhere like Chicago, where they will overpay him. Steelers are pretty tight against the cap, and will most likely not be able to afford him.

El will be gone. Bettis, Willie Williams, Gardocki will retire. Kimo may retire though I doubt it.

They are tight against the cap but they will have to find a second receiver to have success next year.

[Cringer]

What kind of problem? Holmgrem crap in his pants and get his hands messy checking?

I have no idea, the 'report' didn't say. It just said they were unable to get together on the field but met up back by the locker rooms.

[rkmsuf]

interesting

[Kodos]

El will be gone. Bettis, Willie Williams, Gardocki will retire. Kimo may retire though I doubt it.

They are tight against the cap but they will have to find a second receiver to have success next year.


His last name is Randle El, not El!




There, I feel better now. Please don't go to Chicago, Randle El. Stay in Pittsburgh, or go to Miami or the Colts or the Broncos. Thanks!

[Kodos]

Don't say anything. I've read your posts and they strike as typical conspiracy nonsense.

I think it is safe to say that he is the most annoying sports know-it-all on the board by a longshot.

[Butter]

His last name is Randle El, not El!
Oh, so you mean he's not related to Jor-El? Thanks for bursting my bubble, Kodos. Thanks a lot! *sobs*