My Oakland Raiders looking great in preseason.

[Honolulu_Blue]

IIRC, the Lions came to Oakland the day of the game and had serious jetlag so that was part of the cause of them being flat that game.

Yes. It was Marinelli testing the resliance and character of his team. It was also the day after defensive line coach Joe Mullen decided it would be a good idea to strip down to his birthday suit, get into his car, and head to Wendy's for some biggie fries and a delicious frosty.

Hey. He was hot and he was hungry.

Those were good times.

[bulletsponge]

The despressing thing about all of this is that this thread was started right after the Raiders spanked the Detroit Lions in the Lions' 3rd (Raiders' 4th) preseason game, 21-7.

Brooks looked deadly accurate and Moss was unstoppable. Brooks was 9/15 for 187 yards and 2 TDs in the first half and Moss had 3 catches for 102 yards and 2 TDs.

I would like to think that the preseason is meaningless, but so far the Lions have scored only 13 points in 2 games and QBs have completed 45-57 passes against them so far.

Not good times... :(



whats really sad is that beating the Lions in preseason will be the highlight of the Raiders entire season :D :p

[Noble_Platypus]

Congrats to Oakland for not losing this past week.

[duckman]

Who they play?


;)

[Noble_Platypus]

The only team they could avoid losing to

[albionmoonlight]

Bye week must have been really hard on Joey Porter.

It's like you get used to getting to go to the circus every week and laughing at all the clowns. And then one week, your mom tells you that the circus is closed.

He probably watched that Aaron Brooks clip on youtube a few times and tried to get in the mood.

But you know it wasn't the same.

[Noble_Platypus]

Why was it hard on the Steelers LB? I figured it would be much harder on Jerry Porter

[Noble_Platypus]

Unless you meant it was hard on Joey Porter watching Big Ben do his Aaron Brooks impression

[Greyroofoo]

Unless you meant it was hard on Joey Porter watching Big Ben do his Aaron Brooks impression

iirc Big Ben was actually able to hold on to the snaps

[Noble_Platypus]

Maybe he was doing his 2005 Brett Favre impression

[EagleFan]

I thought Carson Palmer was doing the Brooks QB fumble play this week.

[albionmoonlight]

I actually meant Jerry Porter.

But maybe Joey Porter didn't like the Raiders bye either.

You never know.

[sterlingice]

Or how about Cole Porter? Or the porter at a hotel last night? ;)

SI

[jbmagic]

14-3 Raiders over the Browns

Great start so far.

[Logan]

Might be a better idea to let this thread die...

[stevew]

The Browns are awful. I'll give the raiders a minimal amount of credit, as they have made some big plays. They are still lousy.

Ping Browns: You're making Lamont Jordon look like Jim Brown today.

[duckman]

I don't want to hurt your feelings, JB, but it's Cleveland.

[Desnudo]

Raider's offensive game plan should be just to huck hail marys to Moss on every down. No need to have a pretense of a playbook.

[stevew]

Walter is pretty awful.

[Raiders Army]

Walter's actually not doing too badly considering it's his first career start. That being said, the Browns look pretty bad.

[stevew]

Walter's actually not doing too badly considering it's his first career start. That being said, the Browns look pretty bad.

35.4 rating.
I understand that you probably have low standards after watching Collins and Brooks, so I'll give it a pass ;)

[Raiders Army]

Hmmm...I fell asleep during the 1st quarter. Fockin beer. I snoozed after the defensive TD and woke up just in time to see Fargas run and Walter throw a TD to Moss.

[DeToxRox]

Not so hot anymore.

[jbmagic]

Not so hot anymore.

There still lots of time left in the game for the Raiders to win.

[stevew]

Wow, that Frye throw was definitely not NFL calibre.

[jbmagic]

Damn :(

[stevew]

Nice punt. The raiders fucking suck.

[Raiders Army]

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

You know how when your team wins nothing else matters? Well, my team lost today...blew a 21-3 lead, I probably lost my fantasy leagues and my office pickem.

At least I won a $5 bet on the Texans.

[Joe]

still gonna win 10 games?

[stevew]

That special teams coach should get fired tomorrow. The Browns nearly ran back 2 kickoffs and one punt. Thank god the kickers can tackle.

[Rizon]

That special teams coach should get fired tomorrow. The Browns nearly ran back 2 kickoffs and one punt. Thank god the kickers can tackle.

It's pretty sad when the kickers are the best players on your team. :D

[TroyF]

Impressive. 240 yards of total offense against the Browns. A crisp 68 yards passing. And 0 points after halftime. That idea to have a coach who hasn't been around football for over a decade is looking like a great decision now. Thanks again for passing on Leinart and Cutler. Please Mr. Davis, stay alive. Whatever you do, stay alive.

[stevew]

Impressive. 240 yards of total offense against the Browns. A crisp 68 yards passing. And 0 points after halftime. That idea to have a coach who hasn't been around football for over a decade is looking like a great decision now. Thanks again for passing on Leinart and Cutler. Please Mr. Davis, stay alive. Whatever you do, stay alive.

I'd much rather have Robert Gallery than Big Ben or Phillip Rivers. It's hard to find left tackles like him. He's the prototype.

[cthomer5000]

still gonna win 10 games?

Dude, we've already established that the Raiders are going to start 0-6 just for dramatic effect, then rattle off 10 straight and keep winning until they're Super Bowl Champions.

[st.cronin]

Dude, we've already established that the Raiders are going to start 0-6 just for dramatic effect, then rattle off 10 straight and keep winning until they're Super Bowl Champions.

With Jeff George leading the way!

[Desnudo]

Impressive. 240 yards of total offense against the Browns. A crisp 68 yards passing. And 0 points after halftime. That idea to have a coach who hasn't been around football for over a decade is looking like a great decision now. Thanks again for passing on Leinart and Cutler. Please Mr. Davis, stay alive. Whatever you do, stay alive.

Don't forget the part about him not being particularly good the first time around.

[stevew]

I hope you guys don't make any excuses when the Raiders play well this season.

Don't worry about it.

[stevew]

You know that he switch sides this season.

Next season Gallery's switching sides to the sideline.

[Brillig]

This is the new Maximum Football thread.

[EagleFan]

They found the end zone this week, it's kind of like their Super Bowl.

[bulletsponge]

can we please sticky this tread. always good for a laugh http://www.smileyhut.com/misc/59.gif

[DeToxRox]

Art Shell was on the Maximum Football Beta Team during his absence. He was so into customizing his league he forgot that IRL you play four quarters.

[Antmeister]

Art Shell was on the Maximum Football Beta Team during his absence. He was so into customizing his league he forgot that IRL you play four quarters.

LOL!

[Lorena]

Impressive. 240 yards of total offense against the Browns. A crisp 68 yards passing. And 0 points after halftime. That idea to have a coach who hasn't been around football for over a decade is looking like a great decision now. Thanks again for passing on Leinart and Cutler. Please Mr. Davis, stay alive. Whatever you do, stay alive.

Of course he's staying alive, haven't you seen his jumpsuit? :D

[General Mike]

This is the best thread in the history of this board.

[Joe]

This is the best thread in the history of this board.

and there's still 13 more raider games to go..

[Cringer]

Impressive. 240 yards of total offense against the Browns. A crisp 68 yards passing. And 0 points after halftime. That idea to have a coach who hasn't been around football for over a decade is looking like a great decision now. Thanks again for passing on Leinart and Cutler. Please Mr. Davis, stay alive. Whatever you do, stay alive.

Actually, it wouldn't have been a decade until 2011.

[Logan]

14-3 Raiders over the Browns

Great start so far.

Congrats jbmagic, you officially "Mushed" your favorite team.

[Rizon]

and there's still 13 more raider losses to go..

Yup.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Actually, it wouldn't have been a decade until 2011.
I think he was referring to the offensive coordinator, Tom Walsh.

[duckman]

Best damn 0-16 team in the NFL!

[jbmagic]

Best damn 0-16 team in the NFL!

Like your NAFL Lions :)

[duckman]

Like your NAFL Lions :)

No, the NAFL Lions are the best damn 1-15 team evah!

[Desnudo]

who will they take with the #1 pick?

[duckman]

who will they take with the #1 pick?

They'll trade it for a malcontent lineman or receiver.

[stevew]

What's with that deadhead looking d-coordinator they got? He may be the special teams coach perhaps? Dude needs a fucking haircut and a shave. It's not suprising that the team doesn't have any discipline when you got yahoos like that running around on the sideline.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

That's Buddy Ryan's son, Rob. He use to be the Pats' linebacker coach.

[Raiders Army]

His twin brother is the d coordinator for the Ravens minus the mullet.

[Samdari]

who will they take with the #1 pick?

Brady Quinn, and he's going to Ryan Leaf.

[Ksyrup]

The fact that this kind of thread exists at all = great fun. The fact that it involves the Raiders = gold.

[Rizon]

who will they take with the #1 pick?

A kicker or track star.

[Chubby]

Quickest way to suck ni the NFL?

Get tabbed as "my team" by jbmagic.

[Noble_Platypus]

Blowing a 21-3 lead proves the Raiders really do have a "commitment to excellance"

[TroyF]

I think he was referring to the offensive coordinator, Tom Walsh.


Yep. Walsh coached some ridiculously poor college teams after his Raiders stint, but he hasn't been inolved with pro ball in ten+ years.

Next week it is the 49ers across the bay. Some quick Raiders stats for fun:

The Raiders are:

averaging 177 yards of total offense per game. They are averaging 70.3 passing yards per game. They have 37 first downs in 3 games. Of those, 8 came by penalty. They are averaging under 5 yards per pass attempt. Their completion percentage? Try 38%.

This isn't bad, this is taking things to an entirely new level.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Maybe it's just me being a smug Broncos fan, but I think the Raiders are fun to watch right now. Many franchises (Arizona, Detroit, San Francisco, Cleveland, etc.) have had their share of pathetic teams in recent years, but they can be pretty painful to watch. It's fun to watch these Raiders be horrible, though. The 2006 Raiders may not be the worst team in NFL history, but they're the most entertaining terrible team I've ever seen. If someone has trouble understanding the phrase "it's so bad, it's good," they only need to watch this team.

With the new "flexible scheduling" that the NFL will do later this year, I hope to see the Raiders on national television every week in December. This has to happen.

[jbmagic]

I am not worry with the 0-3 start.

Teams in the past started 10-2 (Jets) and didnt make the playoffs.
Miami (9-2) and didn't make the playoffs.

What matters is a strong finish. I feel like the Raiders will turn it around.

[rkmsuf]

I am not worry with the 0-3 start.

Teams in the past started 10-2 (Jets) and didnt make the playoffs.
Miami (9-2) and didn't make the playoffs.

What matters is a strong finish. I feel like the Raiders will turn it around.


of course you do

[jbmagic]

of course you do


At least I am a loyal fan for many many years. I not going to jump off and change teams because my team is not doing well right now.

Some of you guys probably go with the hotest team, once your team is not doing well. Thats not being a true fan to your team.

[rkmsuf]

At least I am a loyal fan for many many years. I not going to jump off and change teams because my team is not doing well right now.

Some of you guys probably go with the hotest team, once your team is not doing well. Thats not being a true fan to your team.

you are wise

[Pumpy Tudors]

At least I am a loyal fan for many many years.
Loyal != Delusional

(I used the wrong word before, and I should have known better)

[TroyF]

Ummm. . . jb, you can be a loyal fan and still realize your team sucks horribly. I love the CU Buffs and the Oklahoma State football programs. God help me, I do.

And you know what? The Buffs aren't turning it around this year. They'll be lucky to win 3 games. I expect they'll be better in future years as I think the coach is a pretty good one, but loyalty doesn't mean you have to lose your eyesight, does it?

[SirFozzie]

TroyF is wise. If your team sucks, admit it. Rooting for your team even when it sucks is a sign of a loyal fan.

Rooting for a team that sucks and trying to pretend it's going to be awesome is just delusional.

[spleen1015]

We'll see our first 0-16 team this year with the Raiders.

[rkmsuf]

You've taken to reasoning with jb? Good luck with all that.

[Desnudo]

I don't pick a team to cheer for until the conference finals

[cthomer5000]

We'll see our first 0-16 team this year with the Raiders.

If we get to even the 0-12 point, this thread will get out of control.

[spleen1015]

Their only hope is Week 13 against Houston.

[gkb]

Ummm. . . jb, you can be a loyal fan and still realize your team sucks horribly. I love the CU Buffs and the Oklahoma State football programs. God help me, I do.

And you know what? The Buffs aren't turning it around this year. They'll be lucky to win 3 games. I expect they'll be better in future years as I think the coach is a pretty good one, but loyalty doesn't mean you have to lose your eyesight, does it?

I'm a Buffs fan as well and this year has been rough...and probably isn't going to get a lot better. I'm dreading the Nebraska game. I agree though that Hawkins is a good coach and hopefully in 3 years we'll have a winning program again.

Not to thread jack or anything. The Raiders are bad...I heard a stat today that they've been outscored 40 - 3 in the second half of games. You know, when coaching staffs make adjustments and what-not.

[Sweed]

At least I am a loyal fan for many many years. I not going to jump off and change teams because my team is not doing well right now.

Some of you guys probably go with the hotest team, once your team is not doing well. Thats not being a true fan to your team.

I've been a Rams fan since 1968. Unfortunatly that does include the 1990's.
In the '90s the Rams had some good preseasons, IIRC they even went 4-0 once or twice. My reaction at the time was not "look out here come the Rams!" My reaction was "IT'S ONLY PRESEASON" I could still look at the team and realize they sucked.



If I were you I'd beg SkyDog for my edit button to be returned (while assuring him you would never delete a thread you started again) and then promptly delete this thread. Sure you'd be flamed and cursed by the masses, maybe even boxed for a week or two, but it would sure beat the hell out of coming here for the next 13 weeks and taking the abuse that is bound to come.

[Noble_Platypus]

Although it wont be as good as the Raiders going 0-16, but IF they win a game it'll be fun to watch JB and Raiders Army brag about how they are turning it around.

[bulletsponge]

I've been a Rams fan since 1968. Unfortunatly that does include the 1990's.
In the '90s the Rams had some good preseasons, IIRC they even went 4-0 once or twice. My reaction at the time was not "look out here come the Rams!" My reaction was "IT'S ONLY PRESEASON" I could still look at the team and realize they sucked.



If I were you I'd beg SkyDog for my edit button to be returned (while assuring him you would never delete a thread you started again) and then promptly delete this thread. Sure you'd be flamed and cursed by the masses, maybe even boxed for a week or two, but it would sure beat the hell out of coming here for the next 13 weeks and taking the abuse that is bound to come.


WHAT! this is the best thread ojn the board!

[bulletsponge]

I am not worry with the 0-3 start.

Teams in the past started 10-2 (Jets) and didnt make the playoffs.
Miami (9-2) and didn't make the playoffs.

What matters is a strong finish. I feel like the Raiders will turn it around.

http://www.smileyhut.com/laughing/laughing1.gif http://www.smileyhut.com/laughing/hysterical.gif

[Logan]

If I were you I'd beg SkyDog for my edit button to be returned (while assuring him you would never delete a thread you started again) and then promptly delete this thread. Sure you'd be flamed and cursed by the masses, maybe even boxed for a week or two, but it would sure beat the hell out of coming here for the next 13 weeks and taking the abuse that is bound to come.

You should be abruptly banned for these statements.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

I am not worry with the 0-3 start.

Teams in the past started 10-2 (Jets) and didnt make the playoffs.
Miami (9-2) and didn't make the playoffs.

What matters is a strong finish. I feel like the Raiders will turn it around.

Yes, but only 3 teams since 1992 ever made the playoffs after starting 0-3. [Chargers 1992 after going 0-4, Lions 1995, Bills 1998]. Think about that one instead. And that usually happened when the teams still looked good in their losses. To the contrary, Oakland has been el stinko.

[dervack]

Dude, I'm a cubs fan. I know all about being a realist. The Raiders suck, bad.

[Noble_Platypus]

Did anyone hear Randy Moss get interviewed on Fox sports radio today? Chris Myers asked him if he was worried and he said no, that becasue nobody else seemed worried about how bad the team was he wasnt going to either. He said alot more idicating he couldnt care less about how bad they were and how bad team morale is, but I cant remember exactly what was said.
Things are looking up for Oakland.......to get the #1 pick :)

[Sweed]

You should be abruptly banned for these statements.


Not to worry, I think we all know the edit button is not coming back. ;)

[stevew]

I think they will win at least 2 games. Simply cause it's just sooooooo hard to lose 15 or 16 games.

[sterlingice]

That's Buddy Ryan's son, Rob. He use to be the Pats' linebacker coach.

Has he tried to find Kevin Gilbride's son so he can punch him?

SI

[Raiders Army]

At least I am a loyal fan for many many years. I not going to jump off and change teams because my team is not doing well right now.

Some of you guys probably go with the hotest team, once your team is not doing well. Thats not being a true fan to your team.

I've tried to stay out of this, but jesus man, stop feeding the fire. There are some serious problems on the team yet you still insist on spouting your hyperbole. Give it a rest and stop looking at the Raiders through rose colored glasses.

It's fine to talk about the improved run game and how the defense and special teams had a bad day. It's fine to talk about how Andrew Walter was better than his stats. But please don't predict a turnaround at this point. That's as bad as starting a thread talking about the preseason.

I'm as bad as you believing in the preseason as some sort of measuring stick, but that's mostly because I didn't see any of the games other than the Eagles matchup where their first team destroyed us. I got sucked into the optimism, but at this point I'm really at a loss to say anything about the rest of the season.

[jbmagic]

There is still 13 games left in the season. Thats plenty of games to turn it around.

[jbmagic]

Raiders Army

I know your a big Raiders Fan. You just have to believe if your a true fan.

[DeToxRox]

Raiders Army

I know your a big Raiders Fan. You just have to believe if your a true fan.

If you're a true fan you admit defeat but keep watching. I'm a die hard Lions fan, and I know we can't turn it around this year but at least we're doing some stuff offensivley that I haven't seen since the days of #20. Admit defeat. Doesn't mean you can't keep watching and holding out hope.

[Noble_Platypus]

There is still 13 games left in the season. Thats plenty of games to turn it around.

Yeah, but they would actually have to WIN most of those 13. At tthis point I dont know that they will win any of those 13

[k0ruptr]

Coming from a panthers fan that suffered through the 1-15 chris stinky weinke season, IMO the raiders of this year look WORSE than that panther team, and that scares me, cause the panthers were dreadful and lost 15 STRAIGHT that year after beating the vikings in the opener... this may very well be the first 0-16 team.

[Noble_Platypus]

13 more games doesnt help if you are going to lose all 13

[stevew]

......if you believe in yourself, and with a tiny pinch of magic, all your dreams can come true.

[stevew]

Art Shell is the master of torture.

[Noble_Platypus]

JB: the little retard that could

[stevew]

he not a retard asswhite. he just have special need.

[jbmagic]

I am getting rip because I believe in my team.

I know their not playing well after 3 games, but I have faith and hope they will turn it around. The season is still early.

[Groundhog]

There's no way they'll go 0-16 IMO. Some team will come in to the game unmotivated and expecting a big win and make a few mistakes, fall behind by a few TDs, and then not be able to come back.

I'm guessing they'll win 2 games.

[Raiders Army]

Raiders Army

I know your a big Raiders Fan. You just have to believe if your a true fan.

I'm a true fan, probably one that's more true than you. Did you not hear the boos last Sunday? I guess those guys aren't true fans either. :rolleyes:

[k0ruptr]

would it be worse for the raiders to win 4-6 games and pick in the 5-12 range or go 1-15 and get the #1 pick?

[jbmagic]

Raiders Army

Of course its frustrating to see them play like that.

But I bet I am not the only fan that tought the Raiders will be starting out better.

I am not going to turn my back on the Raiders.

Whats funny is that people make predictions all the time and are wrong sometimes too.

Lets see how they end up after 16 games, thats all I ask.

[Noble_Platypus]

If JB is talking like this now can you imagine what he will say if they actually win a game?

[TroyF]

I am getting rip because I believe in my team.

I know their not playing well after 3 games, but I have faith and hope they will turn it around. The season is still early.


You aren't getting rip(ped) because you believe in your team. You are getting rip(ped) because anyone who has watched more than 10 minutes of that offense play understands that it isn't going to get better anytime soon.

What do you think would happen to me if I hopped on here and said "The Browns are going to the playoffs. HUGE win this week. This team has some serious talent"?

Let me clue you in: The first thing that would happen is that 25 Browns fans would jump down my throat and tell me I was an idiot. (if there are indeed 25 Browns fans left) Then the fans of other teams would come in to watch the show and laugh their asses off. Bengals fans would probably be first in line throwing jabs.

Now jb, keep something in mind here, the Browns are the team that just beat the Raiders in Oakland. And I can promise you anyone predicting playoffs or some miracle turnaround for them would be mocked. And you think Oakland is going to be spared? Please.

[Raiders Army]

Raiders Army

Of course its frustrating to see them play like that.

But I bet I am not the only fan that tought the Raiders will be starting out better.

I am not going to turn my back on the Raiders.

Whats funny is that people make predictions all the time and are wrong sometimes too.

Lets see how they end up after 16 games, thats all I ask.

Don't bring up the Elmo prediction. Anyhow, I can agree that I thought they would start out a little bit better but that has been dashed with Andrew Walter starting. He's essentially a rookie QB and you can't believe that if he starts the whole season (which he should) that we'll even make the playoffs. At best, I think we can hope for a season that the 49ers are enjoying next year...well, at least up until yesterday.

[stevew]

would it be worse for the raiders to win 4-6 games and pick in the 5-12 range or go 1-15 and get the #1 pick?

Who cares, there's a 100% chance they will fuck up the pick.

[stevew]

Anyone have a youtube of that one play vs the Browns where nobody blocked the Browns player after the snap, and he just walked in a sacked the QB.

[Noble_Platypus]

"I know we are 0-14, but I am a true fan and I believe we can turn it around"

[Ksyrup]

Their only hope is Week 13 against Houston.

Uh, they play the 49'ers this week. I just hope DirecTV doesn't waste an HD channel on the game.

[Rizon]

I think they will win at least 2 games. Simply cause it's just sooooooo hard to lose 15 or 16 games.

The best 2-14 team in the NFL!

[Rizon]

At least I am a loyal fan for many many years. I not going to jump off and change teams because my team is not doing well right now.

Some of you guys probably go with the hotest team, once your team is not doing well. Thats not being a true fan to your team.

I've been a Dolphins fan for the last 25 something seasons. And my team has Choked. Every. Fucking. Year. Yet I still love them and root for them, partly because I am a masochist.

And I'm a Dolphins fan BECAUSE of the Raiders (for leaving). So that's why I hate them and root against them even if they faced a team full of nun-killers and baby-eaters.

[saldana]

Uh, they play the 49'ers this week. I just hope DirecTV doesn't waste an HD channel on the game.

ive been anxiously looking forward to this game for 2 weeks...i figure it will be the highlight of my season as a niners fan....we should beat the crap out of oakland just like we have gotten our asses kicked in the past two weeks.

[saldana]

he not a retard asswhite. he just have special need.


pure gold

[JAG]

I am getting rip because I believe in my team.

I know their not playing well after 3 games, but I have faith and hope they will turn it around. The season is still early.

You're getting ripped for a number of reasons:

1. You used a great preseason as a predictor for a great regular season, when it appears that they will actually have a miserable regular season. People are piling on in their subtle way to reinforce the message that 'Preseason records mean nothing.'

2. You used the Raiders, a team hated by many and an easy target.

3. You are jbmagic.

[rkmsuf]

Nothing better than being winless and not caring about it.


Raiders | Moss continues to be critical of team
Tue, 3 Oct 2006 07:24:21 -0700

Steve Corkran, of the Contra Costa Times, reports Oakland Raiders WR Randy Moss continues to vent his frustration towards the organization. Moss said during a radio interview Monday, Oct. 2, he is not concerned with the team's struggles this season, as the organization, in Moss' opinion, does not appear committed to winning. "I'm not concerned about football right now," Moss said during the interview. "I'm loving life. I don't see anybody else having a concern, so why should I? There are negative things going on now. I'm not the only one unhappy."

[Sweed]

You're getting ripped for a number of reasons:

1. You used a great preseason as a predictor for a great regular season, when it appears that they will actually have a miserable regular season. People are piling on in their subtle way to reinforce the message that 'Preseason records mean nothing.'

2. You used the Raiders, a team hated by many and an easy target.

3. You are jbmagic.

LMAO :D

[Noble_Platypus]

So tell me JB, just how many games will Oakland have to lose before you admit that they flat out suck and have no shot at anything other than the top pick in the draft?

[rkmsuf]

So tell me JB, just how many games will Oakland have to lose before you admit that they flat out suck and have no shot at anything other than the top pick in the draft?

21

[jbmagic]

So tell me JB, just how many games will Oakland have to lose before you admit that they flat out suck and have no shot at anything other than the top pick in the draft?

I think I have stated several times in this forum that they are not playing very well so far.

[Noble_Platypus]

You also maintain they will turn it around and make the playoffs. Not playing well and playing like Oakland is is 2 different things.

[jbmagic]

You also maintain they will turn it around and make the playoffs. Not playing well and playing like Oakland is is 2 different things.


Hey at least I had the balls to make a predictions during preseason.

Some of you guys going to wait until there 2 weeks left in the NFL to make your team predictions?

It much easier to make a predicition after 4 weeks on the NFL has been play.

[WSUCougar]

If, by some miracle, Hell freezes over, pigs fly, and the Raiders DO make the playoffs, this thread should be permanently stickied. Screw that, it should be bronzed.

That, of course, after Quik unveils that jbmagic is actually just a bug-ridden little bulletin board sub-routine that he wrote when he was drunk on peppermint schnaps.

[Noble_Platypus]

Hey at least I had the balls to make a predictions during preseason.

Some of you guys going to wait until there 2 weeks left in the NFL to make your team predictions?

It much easier to make a predicition after 4 weeks on the NFL has been play.

It must not be too much easier because after 4 weeks you are still wrong. Not many people predicted the Raiders to be good, and those that did now see that they were wrong and Oakland is a terrible team. You seem to be the only one left with blinders on.

[jbmagic]

It must not be too much easier because after 4 weeks you are still wrong. Not many people predicted the Raiders to be good, and those that did now see that they were wrong and Oakland is a terrible team. You seem to be the only one left with blinders on.

Who are they?

You have any proof?

[jbmagic]

I bet they are the same people that tought Minnesota Twins after their terrible start tought no way they will win the division and make the playoffs.

[WSUCougar]

http://www.nonstick.com/sounds/Tweety.gif

[Noble_Platypus]

Who is who?? I cant think of a single Sports persona on any network that picked the Raiders to do well, however I also havent heard a single guy who has said anything positive about the Raiders after these first 4 weeks,and that includes both of your malcontent WRs. You should have to prove to us that besides your delusional ass that anyone still thinks they will even win a game, let alone go to the playoffs.

[jbmagic]

Noble_Platypus

I didn't see you make any predicitions. So shut the fuk up.

We will see after 16 games are played not after 3 games played.

[rkmsuf]

Richard Simmons, jbmagic, the late Byron Nelson or Tyra Banks.

Who wins a football pool?

[dervack]

Byron Nelson. At least he wouldn't make any wrong picks.

[Noble_Platypus]

The point is your prediction is wrong and you are too stupid/stubborn to admit it. I know that your remedial mind cant grasp this concept, but take all of our words for it, its true.

We wont have to wait 16 games to see, the Raiders should be mathmatically eliminated from the playoffs any minute now.

[albionmoonlight]

Noble_Platypus

I didn't see you make any predicitions. So shut the fuk up.

We will see after 16 games are played not after 3 games played.

Oh.

Snap.

The gloves are off now.

[Noble_Platypus]

JB wears mittens. Ones tied to his wrists so he wont lose them.

[rkmsuf]

JB wears mittens. Ones tied to his wrists so he wont lose them.

he could still kick you in the balls

[Noble_Platypus]

He would probably trip on his own shoe laces.
Nevermind, he probably has velcro shoes.

[jbmagic]

JB wears mittens. Ones tied to his wrists so he wont lose them.

You must have nothing going on in your life to be all work up for a predicition I made about the Raiders in Preseason.

Who cares if I am right or wrong?

Your telling me people that make predictions are never wrong? Even guys on Fox and Cbs has been wrong many times about a team.

[Noble_Platypus]

How about a new poll: Is JBmagic the product of heavy drug use or inbreeding?

[WSUCougar]

At least the underscore was correctly added.

[rkmsuf]

I'd love to see Chris Collinsworth predict the Raiders make the playoffs with a straight face.

[Noble_Platypus]

You must have nothing going on in your life to be all work up for a predicition I made about the Raiders in Preseason.

Who cares if I am right or wrong?

Your telling me people that make predictions are never wrong? Even guys on Fox and Cbs has been wrong many times about a team.

Every so often I like to read the dictionary. You should try it sometime

[Pumpy Tudors]

by the way the oakland raiders look great in preseason

[jbmagic]

he could still kick you in the balls

He does'nt have any balls.

I bet he not even tough in person.

[stevew]

We can't let this thread get locked. So try to focus all the animosity toward the Raiders instead of jb. At least for a few days.

[rkmsuf]

He does'nt have any balls.

I bet he not even tough in person.

So bet someone if you are so tough. Make a wager.

[jbmagic]

Every so often I like to read the dictionary. You should try it sometime

Take that dictionary and shove it up your candy ass sideways.

[Noble_Platypus]

He does'nt have any balls.

I bet he not even tough in person.

Another prediction thats wrong. At least you are consistant

[Noble_Platypus]

So bet someone if you are so tough. Make a wager.

Word.

[dervack]

Take that dictionary and shove it up your candy ass sideways.
If you smelllllll......

[Noble_Platypus]

If by some miracle the Raiders actually beat SF I cant wait for JB to tell us all that he tolds us so and that the Raiders are making their move. lol

[rkmsuf]

How about if the Raiders make the playoffs JB gets his edit button back.

If they don't his custom title becomes "I like to be manhandled".

[saldana]

Take that dictionary and shove it up your candy ass sideways.

you forgot to say "shine it up real nice"

[TroyF]

1) I made predictions about every NFL team, including playoffs. Some will turn out right and some will turn out painfully wrong. That's life.

2) The Twins are the exception to the rule. But look at some of the things that helped propel them. A young stud in the bullpen moved into the starting rotation about the time they hit rock bottom. Although he ended the year hurt, Liriano started off 12-2 and the Twins went on a roll. Who is your Liriano? You think it's Ryan Walter? Is he the guy that is going to save your season?

3) Baseball second half surges are actually fairly common. It may not happen every year, but most years see a team or two make a second half charge. The Astros and A's have a habit of making those types of runs almost every year. It doesn't happen nearly as often in football.

4) It's not happening with the Raiders jb. The team is horrible. I've been saying it from day one, as have a lot of other people. Your problems are issues that are incapable of getting fixed overnight.

5) You are in for a really, really long year if you think this team is going to even win 4 or 5 games.

[saldana]

He does'nt have any balls.

I bet he not even tough in person.

platypus, i think this needs to be your new sig.

[stevew]

who is ryan walter?

[Noble_Platypus]

platypus, i think this needs to be your new sig.

I am considering it. Its catchy.

[Noble_Platypus]

Maybe Jbs new title should be FOFC Nostradamus

[rkmsuf]

How about if the Raiders make the playoffs JB gets his edit button back.

If they don't his custom title becomes "I like to be manhandled".

Come on. How else are you going to get your edit button back? Why not hook your wagon to the Raider Express?

I'm sure Skydoggie would agree to these terms.

Live a little.

[Noble_Platypus]

The raider express, with nonstop service to 3 and out.

[Desnudo]

You must have nothing going on in your life to be all work up for a predicition I made about the Raiders in Preseason.

Who cares if I am right or wrong?

Your telling me people that make predictions are never wrong? Even guys on Fox and Cbs has been wrong many times about a team.

Almost all predictors and predictions are wrong, but not many on FOFC create a thread specifically to discuss their predictions. You are the Oakland Raiders of predictors.

It's not whether you are right or wrong, it's the style in which you are wrong.

[Noble_Platypus]

I regretfully announce that all planned stops by the raider express to the end zone and also the win column have been cancelled until further notice

[rkmsuf]

How about if the Raiders make the playoffs JB gets his edit button back.

If they don't his custom title becomes "I like to be manhandled".

What is the whole custom title thing holding this up? I can be flexible on the title. Tasteful is the key word here.

[Desnudo]

How about "box of chocolates?"

[Ksyrup]

he could still kick you in the balls

For a brief moment, I thought this was going to lead to the bumping of the "How many 5 year olds can you take?" thread.

[hoosierdude]

How about if the Raiders make the playoffs JB gets his edit button back.

If they don't his custom title becomes "I like to be manhandled".


I vote for AI Tester Emeritus

[Noble_Platypus]

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=134414

Great article.

[Noble_Platypus]

This is my favorite part from the article I linked above:


This current crew should be drinking tea and eating crumpets. Bars should scare them.



It is a must read.

[Logan]

You are the Oakland Raiders of predictors.

Effin beautiful.

[Raiders Army]

jb, please shut up. Why do I have the unfortunate luck to have the same favorite team as you? It's not a matter of making predictions...do you realize that you've been wrong on almost every prediction you've made? And another thing, to reiterate what others have said to you...you still have the hardheadedness to say that your predictions are still right in the face of overwhelming evidence.

In a way, I think you like to rile up FOFC...that's your schtick. It gets old fast so you may want to come up with a new schtick.

[duckman]

In other words,

please stop causing problems

[Joe]

you guys are mean

[jbmagic]

jb, please shut up. Why do I have the unfortunate luck to have the same favorite team as you? It's not a matter of making predictions...do you realize that you've been wrong on almost every prediction you've made? And another thing, to reiterate what others have said to you...you still have the hardheadedness to say that your predictions are still right in the face of overwhelming evidence.

In a way, I think you like to rile up FOFC...that's your schtick. It gets old fast so you may want to come up with a new schtick.

If you remember I predicted the right score on the last superbowl.

Go back and find that thread.

Look why can't I have an opinion on my Raiders? What so wrong with that. There is 13 games left. Lets wait and see before jumping down my throat about my predicition

If I am wrong than I am wrong. No big deal. At least I made a prediction during the preseason. I didn't see anyone here do the same.

[jbmagic]

Dola

People get all work up here for a football predicition. Its so silly.

Do people here have any life beside FOFC. Why so many people are so worry what I predicted. Everyone has an opinion. Please respect it.

[Raiders Army]

If you remember I predicted the right score on the last superbowl.

Go back and find that thread.

Look why can't I have an opinion on my Raiders? What so wrong with that. There is 13 games left. Lets wait and see before jumping down my throat about my predicition

If I am wrong than I am wrong. No big deal. At least I made a prediction during the preseason. I didn't see anyone here do the same.

I guess the right score on the last superbowl (which is luck) counters the fact that you were horrendously wrong on the Elmo prediction. You're a dumbass if you don't know why people don't respect your "opinion".

[stevew]

Elmo was that dumbass wrongway I think.

Not jb.

[saldana]

Dola

People get all work up here for a football predicition. Its so silly.

Do people here have any life beside FOFC. Why so many people are so worry what I predicted. Everyone has an opinion. Please respect it.

this from the only guy in the thread getting pissing and slinging profanity around.


my opinion is that your prediction is ridiculous, and your refusal to accept that it is ridiculous despite the fact that the Raiders cant score with a 10 cent hooker is even more ridiculous, and demonstrates not that you are a true Raiders fan, but that you are a deluded escaped mental patient.

please respect it.

[Noble_Platypus]

I dont think JB is smart enough to have escaped. I think they got fed up with his annoying ass and kicked him out.

[st.cronin]

this from the only guy in the thread getting pissing and slinging profanity around.


my opinion is that your prediction is ridiculous, and your refusal to accept that it is ridiculous despite the fact that the Raiders cant score with a 10 cent hooker is even more ridiculous, and demonstrates not that you are a true Raiders fan, but that you are a deluded escaped mental patient.

please respect it.

Perhaps he's the seer?

[Desnudo]

That post shouldn't count

[Noble_Platypus]

That post shouldn't count

Why, it had nothing to do with werewolf?

[jbmagic]

I guess the right score on the last superbowl (which is luck) counters the fact that you were horrendously wrong on the Elmo prediction. You're a dumbass if you don't know why people don't respect your "opinion".

WHat the hell your talking about Elmo prediction? It was not me.

Tell me why no one respect my opinion? Because of a prediction? Like you never made one and was wrong too.

I am sure if you met me, you will like me as a person.

Damn I will take you out and drink a few beers with you if your ever in my area. I am a very cool person.

[Rizon]

Where is from where. i live in Stacy Minnesota.

[wade moore]

I guess the right score on the last superbowl (which is luck) counters the fact that you were horrendously wrong on the Elmo prediction. You're a dumbass if you don't know why people don't respect your "opinion".

Wrongway made the Elmo prediction.

[Raiders Army]

My bad...get the two personas mixed up.

[Raiders Army]

WHat the hell your talking about Elmo prediction? It was not me.

Tell me why no one respect my opinion? Because of a prediction? Like you never made one and was wrong too.

I am sure if you met me, you will like me as a person.

Damn I will take you out and drink a few beers with you if your ever in my area. I am a very cool person.

Anyone who has to profess their coolness isn't cool.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Not to turn this into a hockey thread, but I made a prediction that the New Jersey Devils would win the Stanley Cup last season. They went on a tremendous winning streak at the end of the season, narrowly won their division after leapfrogging over two teams who were great all year, and then swept one of those teams in the first round of the playoffs. It was looking like nobody could stop my Devils.

Then the second round happened. The Devils got completely shut down. They looked soft, they looked weak, they looked tired. The goalie, who is the rock of the team, seemed absolutely lost at times, and his teammates couldn't bail him out. The team wasn't terrible, but they had absolutely none of the spark that got them this far. The Devils lost the series, four games to one.

Anyway, with that said, I predict that the Devils will win last season's Stanley Cup.

[Sweed]

Not to turn this into a hockey thread, but I made a prediction that the New Jersey Devils would win the Stanley Cup last season. They went on a tremendous winning streak at the end of the season, narrowly won their division after leapfrogging over two teams who were great all year, and then swept one of those teams in the first round of the playoffs. It was looking like nobody could stop my Devils.

Then the second round happened. The Devils got completely shut down. They looked soft, they looked weak, they looked tired. The goalie, who is the rock of the team, seemed absolutely lost at times, and his teammates couldn't bail him out. The team wasn't terrible, but they had absolutely none of the spark that got them this far. The Devils lost the series, four games to one.

Anyway, with that said, I predict that the Devils will win last season's Stanley Cup.



That's all fine and dandy but how did they do in the preseason?

[Pumpy Tudors]

That's all fine and dandy but how did they do in the preseason?
I set 'em up, you knock 'em down. :D

[SFL Cat]

Why are we wasting valuable server space on a thread for the Raiduhs?

[stevew]

Maybe Jbs new title should be FOFC Nostradamus

how about Nostradumbass.

[stevew]

Why are we wasting valuable server space on a thread for the Raiduhs?

Because pissing all over the Raiders is fun.

[Izulde]

While we're on the subject of bad predictions, I predicted that Culpepper was going to be The Man at QB this year and lead the Dolphins back to the playoffs.

Man, was I ever wrong and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

But on the other hand, at least there's Schadenfreude going on in the house. The Packers fan contigent, which includes most of the actives and pledges, take delight in mocking me over Culpepper's suckiness and the Dolphins' losing and I return the favour by poking fun at Favre and the trainwreck that is the Packers.

[bulletsponge]

Not to turn this into a hockey thread, but I made a prediction that the New Jersey Devils would win the Stanley Cup last season. They went on a tremendous winning streak at the end of the season, narrowly won their division after leapfrogging over two teams who were great all year, and then swept one of those teams in the first round of the playoffs. It was looking like nobody could stop my Devils.

Then the second round happened. The Devils got completely shut down. They looked soft, they looked weak, they looked tired. The goalie, who is the rock of the team, seemed absolutely lost at times, and his teammates couldn't bail him out. The team wasn't terrible, but they had absolutely none of the spark that got them this far. The Devils lost the series, four games to one.

Anyway, with that said, I predict that the Devils will win last season's Stanley Cup.


this "hockey" you speak of, what is it. and by "what is it" i mean i dont care

[Logan]

My bad...get the two personas mixed up.

Hmmm...did you?

[Pumpy Tudors]

this "hockey" you speak of, what is it. and by "what is it" i mean i dont carehttp://www.smileyhut.com/angry/fist.gif

[Oilers9911]

this "hockey" you speak of, what is it. and by "what is it" i mean i dont care

All of Canada says you suck!

[EagleFan]

All of Canada says you suck eh!

fixed it for ya... :D

[st.cronin]

I predicted that the Wisconsin Badgers would beat the Indiana Hoosiers last weekend. Of course, it was in a werewolf thread, so it doesn't really count.

[Groundhog]

I predicted that the Wisconsin Badgers would beat the Indiana Hoosiers last weekend. Of course, it was in a werewolf thread, so it doesn't really count.

:D

[JeeberD]

This prediction worked out pretty well for me.

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=16854

24-8, tied for first in the WAC and an NCAA at-large..not too shaby!

[Oilers9911]

fixed it for ya... :D

Damn how could I have forgotten the eh?

[Ragone]

Think it would be possible for jbmagic to get his own forum on fofc.. that only he can see and post in? maybe even give him the ability to edit posts in said forum.

But the posts won't count

[Sweed]

Think it would be possible for jbmagic to get his own forum on fofc.. that only he can see and post in? maybe even give him the ability to edit posts in said forum.

But the posts won't count

If you give him an edit button there won't be any posts to count. :D

[Passacaglia]

Is Narcizo in here? In the HFL, he predicted that the Bengals would beat the Chargers, then that the Ravens would beat the Chargers, then that the Patriots would beat the Chargers. I wish that last one actually happened.

[Ragone]

If you give him an edit button there won't be any posts to count. :D

Thats the beauty of the whole thing :)

[Ksyrup]

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=552 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=cnnPWLogo>http://i.a.cnn.net/si/images/football/nfl/logos/helmets/65/raiders_r_65.gif (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/raiders/) http://i.a.cnn.net/si/images/football/nfl/logos/helmets/65/49ers_l_65.gif (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/49ers/)
4:05 p.m. ET
Preview (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/previews/2006/10/08/2079_preview.html) | Matchup (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/matchups/raiders-49ers.html)
</TD><TD class=cnnPWTeam vAlign=top>Oakland (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/raiders/) (0-3) at San Francisco (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/49ers/) (1-3)
Roger Goodell will attend this game. My gut tells me that at some point during the festivities, he'll turn to one of his minions and say, "You sure this isn't an NFL Europe game?"
Oakland 31, San Francisco 30
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


See even Petr King know truth. But fuk him for NLF europe comment.

[Oilers9911]

When Raiders beat forty 9ers you all see you all suk left nut make right 1 jelus.

[rkmsuf]

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/4356/woowooov2.gif





GO RAIDERS! WOO WOOOOOO!

[stevew]

Where is lil Sis.

[Ksyrup]

Disappointments
• OT Robert Gallery (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6761) (Oakland): There are so many candidates on the Raiders' roster, it's difficult to single out one guy for dishonor, but Gallery certainly deserves some scrutiny. He's missed two of four games because of a calf injury, so in that regard, his grade should probably be an "incomplete." Alas, that same word pretty much describes Gallery's performance, not only this season, but over the first two-plus years of his career. Remember, the former Iowa star was the second overall choice in the 2004 draft, touted as one of the premier left tackle prospects in the last decade or more. But in his first two seasons, he wasn't good enough to beat out journeyman Barry Sims (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4913) for the primary pass protection spot, and started instead at right tackle. When coach Art Shell shuffled the composition of the line this spring, and moved Gallery to the left side, he was overmatched. The Raiders signed Gallery to a contract with a maximum value of $54.75 million and $14.5 million in bonuses in '04, and haven't gotten much return on that investment.

[stevew]

Saving everyone the trouble of trying to find this later...

[dervack]

Saving everyone the trouble of trying to find this later...
Thanks, was going to look for it in a bit.

[stevew]

30-13

[Rizon]

This team really WILL go 0-16. The only question is what puppet will end up "coaching" them next year.

[TazFTW]

Joe Torre?

[stevew]

I'm not getting the game unfortunately. Was that really a fumble that was a returned for a TD, and then a fumbled KO on consecutive plays? Hilarious.

[Eaglesfan27]

Has there ever been a prediction that ended up further from the actual result?

[st.cronin]

This team really WILL go 0-16. The only question is what puppet will end up "coaching" them next year.

Joe Torre?

[st.cronin]

Wow, that was unoriginal.

[stevew]

Tsuiopiodingdangdo in. Here's the savior guys....

[st.cronin]

Tsuiopiodingdangdo in. Here's the savior guys....

No, there is another.

[stevew]

Too-ee-ah-so-SOAP-oh will lead this team to a 10-1 record over their final 11 weeks.

[Rizon]

No, there is another.

JEFF GEORGE.

[Logan]

Too-ee-ah-so-SOAP-oh will lead this team to a 10-1 record over their final 11 weeks.

For the rest of my life, if I'm ever feeling down, I'm going to picture jb trying to spell and pronounce "Tuiasosopo." All will be well in the world.

[stevew]

For the rest of my life, if I'm ever feeling down, I'm going to picture jb trying to spell and pronounce "Tuiasosopo." All will be well in the world.

That's very very funny.

[cthomer5000]

Still 12 games to go. Aint no thang.

[Brillig]

Still 12 games to lose. Aint no thang.

Fixed.

[Noble_Platypus]

Give me an R! Give me an A! Give me an I! Give me a.....Oh never mind.

[k0ruptr]

wheres JB... hurry up get your ass in here, I want to hear how there is still hope, only 4 game have been played and how moss cause td and 5 ball

[kingfc22]

Well I had a blast taunting all you sorry Raider fans who decided to show up at Monster Park today. Have fun going 0-16.

[saldana]

would you believe i actually bet on the niners to win this game....probably the only action all season where the niners will be favorites.

[Ragone]

This team really WILL go 0-16. The only question is what Muppet will end up "coaching" them next year.

Fixed for you :)

[jbmagic]

Damn

The Raiders now need to go 10-2 rest of the way.

I hope this team doesn't quit for the rest of the season now.

[duckman]

Damn

The Raiders now need to go 10-2 rest of the way.

I hope this team doesn't quit for the rest of the season now.

Um, this team checked out a couple of weeks ago. Some will say they checked out before the season even started!

[stevew]

Um, this team checked out a couple of weeks ago. Some will say they checked out before the season even started!

Quit feeding the troll.

[Crim]

Sometimes jb crosses a line from oblivion that he's being made fun of, through anger that he's being made fun of, and rests, ever so briefly, in a state of awareness and appreciation of how silly he is, and he kind of joins in the fun a little bit. Don't blink or you'll miss it, but there resides jbmagic right now.

[jbmagic]

Quit feeding the troll.


Your such an asswhite cyberbully that never predicted anything wrong.

Your so perfect.:confused:

Experts on Sports TV or radio never predicted anything wrong before???

[Antmeister]

Being a Chargers fan, it is nice to see our rivals in the toilet in our division. Should be an easy two wins for the Chargers this year since the Raiders don't have too much heart right now.

[Groundhog]

I used to wear a Raiders cap in highschool because I liked the colours.

[Lorena]

Being a Chargers fan, it is nice to see our rivals in the toilet in our division. Should be an easy two wins for the Chargers this year since the Raiders don't have too much heart right now.

Would you like some salt to rub on that wound?

[SirFozzie]

This team really WILL go 0-16. The only question is what Muppet will end up "coaching" them next year.

Fixed for you :)

Excuse me? I don't want anything to do with em! :P

[Pumpy Tudors]

I am going to be so, so, so embarrassed if the Raiders beat the Broncos on national TV next week.

[stevew]

I am going to be so, so, so embarrassed if the Raiders beat the Broncos on national TV next week.

I'm just happy knowing that I get to see at least 2 more raiders games this year.

[Oilers9911]

Your such an asswhite cyberbully that never predicted anything wrong.

Your so perfect.:confused:

Experts on Sports TV or radio never predicted anything wrong before???

A word of advice jb, just don't open this thread again. You get yourself in deeper every time you comment.

[Desnudo]

Your such an asswhite cyberbully that never predicted anything wrong.

Your so perfect.:confused:

Experts on Sports TV or radio never predicted anything wrong before???

In case you want to hold him to it later, Neon Deon called the #1 picked wrapped up for the Raiders last night on the NFL Network.

[Greyroofoo]

In case you want to hold him to it later, Neon Deon called the #1 picked wrapped up for the Raiders last night on the NFL Network.


I don't think Neon Deon gives the Lions enough discredit

[waltwal]

the raiders made a mistake in hiring art shell the first and second time. but is firing shell the answer- i don't think so. the raiders have one major problem that is going to be very difficult to correct- al davis. what the better and top college coaches have found out is that pro football owners have a major impact on their ability to win and this has made more and more good college coaches reluctant to move into the pro ranks. as owners go al davis is right up there with the worse. i have heard from sources close to the raiders that al davis subverts the authority of the coaching staff on a daily basis and certainly this is not going to be a secret from potential coaches.

the question is - how do you fire al davis? i was a pro football diehard and a fan of the 49ers. when that jerk york took over the team and i realized that no coach in the world was going to get the niners on the right track i completely lost interest in the pros.

when you are a supporter of a particular team and they are bought or inherited by a bad owner you are dead because the owner in pro football is the biggest determinant of success.

what should happen is that the head coach should hire and fire the owner. when that happens i will be back as a pro-football diehard- but not in this lifetime.

in the meantime saturday, college football and cal are my major interests and i don't miss pro football one bit. with the exception of oklahoma when is the last time you heard anything from a college president.

[Ksyrup]

I am going to be so, so, so embarrassed if the Raiders beat the Broncos on national TV next week.


No kidding. In some way, it's like the pressure of playing Prairie View. You know the season is basically in shambles, but there's nothing like a rivalry game to get them up for a week. Fortunately, Randy Moss still holds some sway in the locker room, so he might be able to diffuse any attempt to get up for the game. :)

BTW, hell of a dropped TD pass by Moss in the 2nd quarter.