My Oakland Raiders looking great in preseason.

[stevew]

I am going to be so, so, so embarrassed if the Raiders beat the Broncos on national TV next week.

Also, at this rate I think they will beat the Steelers in a few weeks.

[yabanci]

Nice to see that the police even have some sympathy. This is from a report on the SF-Oak game from the SF Chronicle:

Yet there was this: As the game mercifully wound to a close, several groups of 49ers and Raiders fans came together in the stadium's upper concourses. Not in battle, but in peace.

In a nod to the Bay Area's, er, colorful past, they fired up some illegal herb together and openly enjoyed themselves while San Francisco Police looked the other way.

"Why bother?" one officer said. "It's them, and 25 other groups in the stadium."

[Rizon]

Fixed for you :)

I gotta say Beaker has a great chance.

[Pumpy Tudors]

After the performance of the Denver defense last night, I'm going to be extremely embarrassed if the Broncos lose to the Raiders on Sunday.

[rkmsuf]

After the performance of the Denver defense last night, I'm going to be extremely embarrassed if the Broncos lose to the Raiders on Sunday.

Is it possible to letdown that much?

[Ksyrup]

At this point, I'm going to be embarrassed if the first home TD we give up is to Oakland.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Is it possible to letdown that much?
Well, see, the Broncos might be looking ahead to their next game against the mighty Browns.

[TroyF]

At this point, I'm going to be embarrassed if the first home TD we give up is to Oakland.

"

[rkmsuf]

Well, see, the Broncos might be looking ahead to their next game against the mighty Browns.

They could be thinking about next season and still win.

[k0ruptr]

They could concentrate on convincing Jake to shave that gay ass 'stache of his and still win by 30.

[Joe]

ALAMEDA, Calif. (AP) -- The Oakland Raiders suspended disgruntled wide receiver Jerry Porter for four games without pay Saturday for conduct detrimental to the team.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AocfNmu9lUNP994YV4Ph11FDubYF?slug=ap-raiders-porter&prov=ap&type=lgns

[JonInMiddleGA]

ALAMEDA, Calif. (AP) -- ... for conduct detrimental to the team.

There's probably a lot of players in Oakland who deserve to be sitting down on Sundays for conduct detrimental to the team.

[Greyroofoo]

There's probably a lot of players in Oakland who deserve to be sitting down on Sundays for play detrimental to the team.

fixed that for ya

[TroyF]

There's probably a lot of players in Oakland who deserve to be sitting down on Sundays for conduct detrimental to the team.

Yeah, but the easiest scapegoat here is the guy who hasn't played a game yet this year. If it weren't for Jerry Porter, they'd have a great lockerroom chemistry and would be well on their way to that 10 win season everyone (ok, only one) expected them to have.

[JonInMiddleGA]

fixed that for ya

You call what they've been doing "playing"?

[EagleFan]

You call what they've been doing "playing"?

Yes, just not football.

[k0ruptr]

yea, more like playing with their balls.

[waltwal]

i had to reread the article on what happened at the raiders practice a couple of days ago. i have never heard a similar story occuring in pro football. the Raiders are in serious need of a government takeover.

jbmagic repeat after me 8,000,000 times

"Preseason football scores mean nothing"!

[Desnudo]

These asswhites need to get their priorities in order

[Greyroofoo]

This thread actually makes me want to watch the Raiders game tonight

[bulletsponge]

the Great Train wreck of 2006 is on now. NBC

[Izulde]

Hahaha nice kick, Janikowski!

jbmagic got me to watch the Raiders.

Damn asswhite hype machine he sayin Raiders win 10 games

[stevew]

I pretty well think LaMont Jordan is my least favorite RB in the NFL. Ruben Droughns being a close second I suppose.

[Joe]

the Raiders will win tonight

[stevew]

Man, someone needs to start a raiders drinking game.

I'll start. Every time the Raiders hold on offense take a drink.

Oh wait, you'd probably get alcohol poisoning right there.

[Izulde]

Hahaha

"Al Davis is one of the great football minds of all time."

*dies of laughter*

[stevew]

Every unnecessary personal foul, take a drink.

[TroyF]

Every unnecessary personal foul, take a drink.

Oh, God, NO. I'd be blasted by the second quarter.

[stevew]

Every False Start, take a 3rd of a shot, otherwise your ass is dead.

[TroyF]

Every False Start, take a 3rd of a shot, otherwise your ass is dead.

Better make that 1/4 of a shot.

[SirFozzie]

every time the Raiders have to punt, take a sip

[stevew]

If there was a wrestler named "Oakland Raider," his finishing move would be called "The False Start."

[SirFozzie]

The best thing about the Raiders, is they vary how they fuck up.

Sometime it's false start. Sometimes it's holding, sometimes it's personal fouls.

Michaels: "Can the Raiders start something before halftime?"
Me: "Are you shitting me?

[SirFozzie]

Oh wow. that was funny.

[Greyroofoo]

so how many drinks is that interception worth?

[stevew]

2 drinks for an ill advised drive ending interception.

[Izulde]

ahahaha "Lions get to the World Series"

[Neuqua]

Anyone else just feel really really really really really bad for Walter?

[Greyroofoo]

so how many drinks for a botched snap?

[Joe]

Anyone else just feel really really really really really bad for Walter?

no

[Izulde]

Shutout ruined!

[stevew]

Drink again bitches!

[stevew]

and there's another one.

[stevew]

and another one. I feel like the principal in the Breakfast club.

[Greyroofoo]

I never knew watching the Raiders suck could be so much fun!

[kingfc22]

8 false starts. ROFL

[stevew]

You just bought one more.

1/16th of a shot for each false start.

[cthomer5000]

The league now only has to hand a referee a single Raiders game to give them a real life example of every possible penalty call.

[Rizon]

Well, at least the Raiders can really say they are the best 0-5 team in the NFL.

[kingfc22]

FUMBLE!!! Haha. The Broncos are trying to give this game to the Raiders, but they don't seem to want it.

[stevew]

13 penalties. I doubt most good teams get that many in 4 games.

[Izulde]

I wonder what jbmagic's going to have to say after this game. :D

[Desnudo]

I wonder what jbmagic's going to have to say after this game. :D

:
Your such an asswhite cyberbully that never predicted anything wrong.

Your so perfect.:confused:

Experts on Sports TV or radio never predicted anything wrong before???

[Pumpy Tudors]

Lamont Jordan's tantrum after his 4th quarter fumble was awesome. That was passion! The Raiders have passion now! Apparently, passion still doesn't win football games!

[stevew]

Lamont Jordan's tantrum after his 4th quarter fumble was awesome. That was passion! The Raiders have passion now! Apparently, passion still doesn't win football games!

lol, yeah, but he's trying so hard. Look at the fire in his belly.

[Raiders Army]

Lamont Jordan's tantrum after his 4th quarter fumble was awesome. That was passion! The Raiders have passion now! Apparently, passion still doesn't win football games!

What's really funny is that I told my wife that Jordan is a pussy since he ran out of bounds in the first quarter without getting hit...and then John Madden mentioned the same thing (great minds think alike...yea right).

Anyhow, it's like that tantrum made a difference. Jeez. It was disgusting to watch. Get your team fired up...if I were his teammate that wouldn't fire me up. I also think that Terdell Sands' penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct near the 2 minute warning sealed the deal.

Another thing: the penalty called on Barry Sims for a false start was not him. Denver's LDE moved first on the other side of the line before he moved.

[Ksyrup]

Another thing: the penalty called on Barry Sims for a false start was not him. Denver's LDE moved first on the other side of the line before he moved.

Which isn't a penalty on the defense unless he's in the neutral zone or touches the offensive player and causes the offensive player to move. And even then, unless he touches him, it's rarely called on the defense.

[TroyF]

Which isn't a penalty on the defense unless he's in the neutral zone or touches the offensive player and causes the offensive player to move. And even then, unless he touches him, it's rarely called on the defense.

Actually any flinch by the D, even if they don't hit the neutral zone, can be called on the defense. I've seen it happen a lot more this year than it has in the past. FWIW, I agree with Raiders on this one, I think it should have been a defensive penalty.

But with the Raiders, does it really make a difference?

Have you ever seen in NFL team decide to sit on a 10 point lead in the second quarter? Denver didn't try another deep pass after the one to Walker to give them their first TD. They just ran the ball and punted it. I know the Broncos offense isn't that good, but it's really not hard to stop when Shanahan decides to call it a night in the second quarter.

If the Raiders win a game this year, I'll be stunned.

[Ksyrup]

I haven't noticed an increase in those calls on the defense this year. It's still almost always called on the offense when it's close. And like you said, it's not like mattered much to the game.

[wade moore]

Actually any flinch by the D, even if they don't hit the neutral zone, can be called on the defense. I've seen it happen a lot more this year than it has in the past. FWIW, I agree with Raiders on this one, I think it should have been a defensive penalty.

But with the Raiders, does it really make a difference?

Have you ever seen in NFL team decide to sit on a 10 point lead in the second quarter? Denver didn't try another deep pass after the one to Walker to give them their first TD. They just ran the ball and punted it. I know the Broncos offense isn't that good, but it's really not hard to stop when Shanahan decides to call it a night in the second quarter.

If the Raiders win a game this year, I'll be stunned.

I'm going to try to look it up, but my understanding of the rule was also that the defense had to be in the nuetral zone for it to be called.

[albionmoonlight]

Just Win1 Baby!


1 For contests occurring on or after August 6, 2006, "win" is defined as (1) any preseason contest in which a team is "looking great;" (2) any regular season contest in which a team "beats the spread;" (3) any regular season contest after which a team has not been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs; (4) any regular season contest during which no players on a team openly laugh at the team’s quarterback while the contest is ongoing; or (5) any regular season contest whose conclusion brings the 2006 season one game closer to completion.

[Raiders Army]

But with the Raiders, does it really make a difference?
It definitely did not in that game. That was just one of those things I could cling to to show "The refs screwed us!" ;)

[albionmoonlight]

Joking aside, I hope that this is a one year blip for the Raiders and some positive housecleaning occurs after this season.

No team's fans deserve to watch a team with no hope whatsoever for a decent season.

It's not just that they are losing; it's that they are losing in a way that gives no confidence that things can be corrected.

[Ksyrup]

I'm going to try to look it up, but my understanding of the rule was also that the defense had to be in the nuetral zone for it to be called.

That's my understanding. I do think there's a rule that you can't flinch to purposely draw the offense into a false start, but if you move toward the line and the O lineman starts before you've come into the neutral zone, I believe technically that's an offensive penalty.

[Ksyrup]

No team's fans deserve to watch a team with no hope whatsoever for a decent season.

With all due respect... the Raiders' fans do.

[wade moore]

That's my understanding. I do think there's a rule that you can't flinch to purposely draw the offense into a false start, but if you move toward the line and the O lineman starts before you've come into the neutral zone, I believe technically that's an offensive penalty.

Yeah.. unfortunately I'm finding it VERY difficult to get any detailed descriptions of penalty rules.

[Izulde]

Just Win1 Baby!


1 For contests occurring on or after August 6, 2006, "win" is defined as (1) any preseason contest in which a team is "looking great;" (2) any regular season contest in which a team "beats the spread;" (3) any regular season contest after which a team has not been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs; (4) any regular season contest during which no players on a team openly laugh at the team’s quarterback while the contest is ongoing; or (5) any regular season contest whose conclusion brings the 2006 season one game closer to completion.

This post needs more credit. :D

[EagleFan]

Yeah.. unfortunately I'm finding it VERY difficult to get any detailed descriptions of penalty rules.

Call the Raiders. They seem to have a detailed playbook of how to get called for every penalty in the game. On the bright side, they have really nailed that.

[stevew]

Is the penalty in question called a neutral zone infraction? Or is that merely a fancy way of saying offsides?

[SunDevil]

No offense to Bronco fans, but your team is horrible to watch. If the Bronco's offensive gameplan is not cut back to the level that Cutler could understand it by now, I really do not see how much more of it they can take out. What is really sad is that this is all for Jake not to screw up and lose the game. I honestly believe this is his last year.

[Pumpy Tudors]

It was a little hard to tell because of the uniforms and padding and all that, but I'm ready to announce that my wife actually took eight snaps in the second half for the Broncos last night. She had her own #16 jersey, and she allowed Plummer to get a little extra rest.

She did a good job on handoffs, but she had one pretty bad throw. I hear that she'll be running a couple of bootlegs when the Broncos meet the Raiders in Oakland later this year.

[wade moore]

Is the penalty in question called a neutral zone infraction? Or is that merely a fancy way of saying offsides?

Neutral Zone Infraction, I believe, is designed for when a player sets up in their stance in the Neutral Zone and is there when the ball is snapped.

Edit: Although what we're talking about may fall in that rule also.

[Bee]

No offense to Bronco fans, but your team is horrible to watch. If the Bronco's offensive gameplan is not cut back to the level that Cutler could understand it by now, I really do not see how much more of it they can take out. What is really sad is that this is all for Jake not to screw up and lose the game. I honestly believe this is his last year.


I think Jake is likely to be the starting QB for the Raiders next year.

edit: Or maybe Pumpy's wife after reading his post. :D

[Pumpy Tudors]

No offense to Bronco fans, but your team is horrible to watch. If the Bronco's offensive gameplan is not cut back to the level that Cutler could understand it by now, I really do not see how much more of it they can take out. What is really sad is that this is all for Jake not to screw up and lose the game. I honestly believe this is his last year.
I find the Broncos difficult to watch, but I don't think they're trimming the gameplan to make it easier for Cutler. Is that the word going around? They're just taking things out of the offense so they can play Cutler this year? They've won four games in a row. I've seen coaches do crazy things, but I don't think anybody in the NFL would change quarterbacks when the team is winning.

Plummer's only good game this year was against New England, but you can see the difference in the team's performance when he's simply not making mistakes. Against the Rams, he was terrible, and the Broncos lost. Since then, he's not losing fumbles, and he's keeping the interceptions down. That's all the offense requires of him.

The Denver offense is ugly this year. There's no doubt about that. Still, it's a pretty nice situation when you're confident about winning with a quarterback who passes for only 100 yards, as long as he's not turning the ball over. Other teams have to worry about their offensive lines, their defenses, their running backs, receivers dropping passes, the kicking game, the special teams, etc. So far, the Broncos have shown that they can win as long as the quarterback doesn't give the ball away. The rest of the team is doing its job. If Plummer gets back to where he was last year, the team should be pretty much unstoppable.

[stevew]

It was a little hard to tell because of the uniforms and padding and all that, but I'm ready to announce that my wife actually took eight snaps in the second half for the Broncos last night. She had her own #16 jersey, and she allowed Plummer to get a little extra rest.

She did a good job on handoffs, but she had one pretty bad throw. I hear that she'll be running a couple of bootlegs when the Broncos meet the Raiders in Oakland later this year.

She really needs to shave that beard though.

[stevew]

Here it is.
Jerry Markbreit's answers
Have a question about the rules of football? Our expert, former NFL referee Jerry Markbreit, will have the answer.

December 9, 2004, 11:37 AM CST


Would you please explain to me what exactly is the difference between offsides, encroachment and a neutral zone infraction? I don't think they are interchangeable terms, but the referee uses the same signal for all three calls. --Jeff Jhee, Chicago

A player is offside when any part of his body is beyond his line of scrimmage or free kick line when the ball is put in play. Encroachment is when a defensive player enters the neutral zone with any part of his body and makes contact with an opponent prior to the ball being snapped. This play is killed immediately. A neutral zone infraction occurs whenever a defender enters the neutral zone, causing the offensive player in close proximity to react immediately (move). This play is shut down immediately, and no snap is allowed to occur. All three of these fouls carry a five-yard penalty and a replay of the down.

[wade moore]

Sweet, thanks stevew!

Although I don't know that necessarily answers whether something can be called if a defender causes the offensive player to move when not in the neutral zone, but i dont' think there's a rule against it.. otherwise you could call ar ule for a linebacker making a run at the line and stopping up short, which is just dumb.

[Ksyrup]

So the play in question could still have been an offensive penalty had the O lineman moved before the D lineman entered the neutral zone. That's what I thought. Now, whether that actually happened or not, I don't know. But I rarely see the D line called for a penalty on that when it's close.

[Pumpy Tudors]

She really needs to shave that beard though.
I've been telling her that for about a month now.

[jbmagic]

You guys that predicted 7-9 and 8-8 can kiss my white ass too. Your just as wrong than I was on my predicition.

[Pumpy Tudors]

You guys that predicted 7-9 and 8-8 can kiss my white ass too. Your just as wrong than I was on my predicition.
I hope you realize how ridiculous you sound when you say this.

[Bee]

I hope you realize how ridiculous you sound when you say this.

I assume you are referring to him using "white ass" instead of "asswhite"? :D

[TroyF]

No offense to Bronco fans, but your team is horrible to watch. If the Bronco's offensive gameplan is not cut back to the level that Cutler could understand it by now, I really do not see how much more of it they can take out. What is really sad is that this is all for Jake not to screw up and lose the game. I honestly believe this is his last year.


Agree with the first part, do not agree with the second part at all. They are horrible to watch and they do have game plans in where they are telling Jake not to lose the game. No doubt about it. They need to take the noose off Jake and let him go. As great as the D is (and it's really, really good), they aren't winning a title with an offense this bad.

But they aren't shrinking the gameplan because of Cutler. They don't want to play Cutler this year. They are trying to make sure Jake doesn't lose them football games, that's the reason, plain and simple.

As for next year, the job is Cutler's. Barring a freak injury before game 1, I'd be stunned if anyone other than Jay Cutler took the opening snap of the year for Denver next season.

[bulletsponge]

Agree with the first part, do not agree with the second part at all. They are horrible to watch and they do have game plans in where they are telling Jake not to lose the game. No doubt about it. They need to take the noose off Jake and let him go. As great as the D is (and it's really, really good), they aren't winning a title with an offense this bad.

But they aren't shrinking the gameplan because of Cutler. They don't want to play Cutler this year. They are trying to make sure Jake doesn't lose them football games, that's the reason, plain and simple.

As for next year, the job is Cutler's. Barring a freak injury before game 1, I'd be stunned if anyone other than Jay Cutler took the opening snap of the year for Denver next season.

agreed with the Cutler part. they have to know Jake the mistake will screw up in the playoffs, giving them a perfect excuse to dump him and start Cutler next season

[Oilers9911]

You guys that predicted 7-9 and 8-8 can kiss my white ass too. Your just as wrong than I was on my predicition.

Is it even worth trying to explain your vs you're?

[Oilers9911]

You guys that predicted 7-9 and 8-8 can kiss my white ass too. Your just as wrong than I was on my predicition.

Dola: Actually since you predicted 10-6 you are 3 games worse than the 7-9 guys and 2 games worse than the 8-8 guys.

[wade moore]

Is it even worth trying to explain your vs you're?

This is a rhetorical question, right?

[Butter]

Maybe by next year, the Broncos will have a running back worth a crap too.

[Oilers9911]

This is a rhetorical question, right?

Yes but I expect a retort from jb that contains the following words in some combination. white, bully, ass, cyber, your.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Maybe by next year, the Broncos will have a running back worth a crap too.
Tatum Bell is second in the AFC in rushing, and he's 35 yards behind McGahee (who's played one more game). I'm not sure where your comment is coming from.

[TroyF]

Tatum Bell is second in the AFC in rushing, and he's 35 yards behind McGahee (who's played one more game). I'm not sure where your comment is coming from.

Ditto. Tatum is playing fantastic. The offense isn't throwing the ball at all which is allowing defenses to stack the line and Tatum is running very well. He run on 3rd and 8 against the Ravens, when he carried Ray Lewis the final four yards set up the game clinching TD last Monday night. He ran for over 90 yards against the Ravens D.

He's averaging 4.7 yards a carry.

Maybe I missed some sarcasm here, but I don't get it. He's the very least of our problems on offense.

[Izulde]

I wonder if jbmagic will go insane if the Faiders end up 0-16

[Pumpy Tudors]

I wonder if jbmagic will go insane if the Faiders end up 0-16
I can't wait for Week 16 when jbmagic predicts that the Raiders will go 0-16, and then they'll win their season finale and finish 1-15. :D

[Oilers9911]

I can't wait for Week 16 when jbmagic predicts that the Raiders will go 0-16, and then they'll win their season finale and finish 1-15. :D

Then we'll get a thread titled My Raiders Looking Great in Off-Season :)

[Dawgfan1980]

Agree with the first part, do not agree with the second part at all. They are horrible to watch and they do have game plans in where they are telling Jake not to lose the game. No doubt about it. They need to take the noose off Jake and let him go. As great as the D is (and it's really, really good), they aren't winning a title with an offense this bad.

But they aren't shrinking the gameplan because of Cutler. They don't want to play Cutler this year. They are trying to make sure Jake doesn't lose them football games, that's the reason, plain and simple.

As for next year, the job is Cutler's. Barring a freak injury before game 1, I'd be stunned if anyone other than Jay Cutler took the opening snap of the year for Denver next season.

As a Bronco fan, I have to say I love the gameplan this year for the Broncos. Against teams that have little to no offensive punch (read the Chiefs with Huard, the Ravens, and the Raiders) why do anything to screw up the game? It isn't about playing a "pleasing" style of football. It is about winning. Denver's defence is its strength (as it has been for about three years now), so why not play to that?

Plummer can make plays, but he also can make mistakes, so why not run the ball, and punt if you have to? Last night, did anyone really think the Raiders were going to score more than 13 points? Once Bailey makes the pick near the endzone, that is game.

Are the Raiders really an 0-16 team? If they don't get the penalties and turnovers figured out, then yes. I like them playing Walters, but they do have a legit back-up in Tuiasasopo, who didn't even get a sniff, which begs to question why have him on your team. The Raiders are a team in trouble, lacking identity on either side of the ball. The LB's are decent, but that's about it. Really, its a sad state of affairs.

As for Cutler next year, I think it will be an open competition going into the season. This could be a draft though we look back for Denver and all go "wow". Cutler in the 1st round, Walker for a second rounder, Dumervil (who I think could be a Leonard Little type of rusher) in the 4th, and a future center in Greg Eslinger in the 7th round from Minnesota who won the Rimmington award as best Center last year, but slipped because he was undersized (see Tom Nalen).

Besides, would you rather have Art Shell, or Mike Shanahan?

[TroyF]

As a Bronco fan, I have to say I love the gameplan this year for the Broncos. Against teams that have little to no offensive punch (read the Chiefs with Huard, the Ravens, and the Raiders) why do anything to screw up the game? It isn't about playing a "pleasing" style of football. It is about winning. Denver's defence is its strength (as it has been for about three years now), so why not play to that?

Plummer can make plays, but he also can make mistakes, so why not run the ball, and punt if you have to? Last night, did anyone really think the Raiders were going to score more than 13 points? Once Bailey makes the pick near the endzone, that is game.

Are the Raiders really an 0-16 team? If they don't get the penalties and turnovers figured out, then yes. I like them playing Walters, but they do have a legit back-up in Tuiasasopo, who didn't even get a sniff, which begs to question why have him on your team. The Raiders are a team in trouble, lacking identity on either side of the ball. The LB's are decent, but that's about it. Really, its a sad state of affairs.

As for Cutler next year, I think it will be an open competition going into the season. This could be a draft though we look back for Denver and all go "wow". Cutler in the 1st round, Walker for a second rounder, Dumervil (who I think could be a Leonard Little type of rusher) in the 4th, and a future center in Greg Eslinger in the 7th round from Minnesota who won the Rimmington award as best Center last year, but slipped because he was undersized (see Tom Nalen).

Besides, would you rather have Art Shell, or Mike Shanahan?

Shanahan in a walk.

My problem with the gameplan is twofold:

1) You keep teams that don't belong in a game long enough, they sometimes end up beating you. The KC game went to OT. We let the Raiders hang in there way to long.

2) Eventually, we are going to have to score points and if we are used to holding back, we may not be able to just turn it on like a light switch. Do you think 13 points beats the Colts in two weeks or the Steelers on the road in 3? I don't. We need to turn it up a notch.

As for next year, I don't think it'll be a competition at all. In fact it wouldn't shock me to see Plummer traded prior to training camp. I'd bet a very large sum of money that Cutler is not only the #1 guy next year, but that he heads into training camp as the number 1 guy. You can tell Shanahan doesn't trust Plummer. Plummer doesn't have the mental makeup to be a backup.

Cutler will be the number one guy next year.

[albionmoonlight]

The Raiders can't even beat the Broncos in being the main topic of conversation in a thread about the Raiders.

[Dawgfan1980]

Shanahan in a walk.

My problem with the gameplan is twofold:

1) You keep teams that don't belong in a game long enough, they sometimes end up beating you. The KC game went to OT. We let the Raiders hang in there way to long.

2) Eventually, we are going to have to score points and if we are used to holding back, we may not be able to just turn it on like a light switch. Do you think 13 points beats the Colts in two weeks or the Steelers on the road in 3? I don't. We need to turn it up a notch.

As for next year, I don't think it'll be a competition at all. In fact it wouldn't shock me to see Plummer traded prior to training camp. I'd bet a very large sum of money that Cutler is not only the #1 guy next year, but that he heads into training camp as the number 1 guy. You can tell Shanahan doesn't trust Plummer. Plummer doesn't have the mental makeup to be a backup.

Cutler will be the number one guy next year.

No one in Bronco nation trusts Plummer, myself included. He is a better version of Trent Dilfer. He manages the game well. I think though that Shanahan is playing to our strengths right now, which are defence and the ground attack.

Will this be the game plan against the Colts and Steelers? Not the Colts (who were tested by the Titans two weeks ago) but maybe the Steelers (The Chiefs finally had their blow up game last week, I don't still think the Steelers are all that great right now). We all know what wins in football, defence, running the ball, and one or two big plays in the passing game. Isn't that what we are doing right now?

And yes, we do keep teams in games too long, but we also stay in games too long. We shouldn't have been near in the Rams game, but we were close at the end. If we control turnovers (see limiting the gambling big plays) we have a great chance in any game. Would you have rather seen Jake go out there and crap himself and we lose to Oakland?

As for next year, I think they shop Plummer and get very few bites on the open market, since trades are always undervalued (although, Bailey for Portis and a 1st rounder is looking good, as is Walker for a second). The competition is open in training camp, Plummer gets it to start, but is always looking over his shoulder, Sunday night Sportscenter have the second story being "Is it time to play Cutler?" for about three weeks and then Plummer pukes on himself in a game and the Cutler era begins. I think alot has to do if the O-Line all comes back next year, or if we have some drop-off there.

[mckerney]

Here it is.

There's also movement unnatural to the game that can be called when a player makes a non football move in an attempt to draw an offensive lineman into a false start, which does not require going into the neutral zone.

[Bee]

The Raiders can't even beat the Broncos in being the main topic of conversation in a thread about the Raiders.

That's exactly what I was thinking. :D

[Eaglesfan27]

The Raiders can't even beat the Broncos in being the main topic of conversation in a thread about the Raiders.


This and your just win post are brilliant. Such great comedy in this thread. :)

[stevew]

Look at the Fire!!!!!!!!!!

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[Joe]

Raiders 17, Cardinals 0

[k0ruptr]

FUCK now gonna have to listen to that asswhite tell us raider go 11-5 or 10-6 still and how qb water loook good

:D

[sterlingice]

The game is young

SI

[Lorena]

lol,

Raiders driving and they get intercepted... it's a matter of time until they defeat themselves.

[mrsimperless]

So whats the deal with Lamont Jordan today? Is he hurt or did he just get benched for some reason?

[Joe]

22-6 after 3

[bulletsponge]

ffs the raiders are blowing thier shot at the top draft pick!

[sterlingice]

"They are what we thought they were. We played them like it was the preseason. Who the hell picks a seventh game in preseason like it's meaningless? We played them in the seventh game. Everybody played no quarters. The Raiders are who we thought they were. That's why we took the damn field. If you want to crown them the worst team in the league, just crown their ass. We let them off the hook." ;)

SI

[Noble_Platypus]

The Super Bowl run is starting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Raiders Army]

"They are what we thought they were. We played them like it was the preseason. Who the hell picks a seventh game in preseason like it's meaningless? We played them in the seventh game. Everybody played no quarters. The Raiders are who we thought they were. That's why we took the damn field. If you want to crown them the worst team in the league, just crown their ass. We let them off the hook." ;)

SI
I believe it should be more like this:
http://aycu16.webshots.com/image/3935/2002162577589901172_fs.jpg

Edit--had to change the record.

[Noble_Platypus]

CMon now, you are going to brag about beating the Cardinals?

[Greyroofoo]

There's a bigger number next to Oakland than there is next to Arizona.

I'm confused :confused:

[k0ruptr]

that sucks, I wanted them to go 0-16

[Raiders Army]

CMon now, you are going to brag about beating the Cardinals?

You're a dick sometimes, you know that? Anyhow, I had a few responses for you but I couldn't settle on one:

1. Yeah, I'll brag about them. The Cards could be World Champions (in baseball)!
2. Considering the Raiders were "underdogs" sure.
3. Since they're supposedly the worst team in the NFL, were they supposed to win?

Pick one.

[Lorena]

that sucks, I wanted them to go 0-16

lol,

Raiders driving and they get intercepted... it's a matter of time until they defeat themselves.

Dammit, I cursed it.

[Noble_Platypus]

You're a dick sometimes, you know that? Anyhow, I had a few responses for you but I couldn't settle on one:

1. Yeah, I'll brag about them. The Cards could be World Champions (in baseball)!
2. Considering the Raiders were "underdogs" sure.
3. Since they're supposedly the worst team in the NFL, were they supposed to win?

Pick one.

Whatever brings a glimmer of light to your world, just dont jump on JB when he comes back with his "now we reel off 10 straight wins" post.

[sterlingice]

You're a dick sometimes, you know that? Anyhow, I had a few responses for you but I couldn't settle on one:

1. Yeah, I'll brag about them. The Cards could be World Champions (in baseball)!
2. Considering the Raiders were "underdogs" sure.
3. Since they're supposedly the worst team in the NFL, were they supposed to win?

Pick one.

I like #1 best- most creative :)

SI

[bulletsponge]

Dammit, I cursed it.

now we know whom to blame for this fiasco!

[jbmagic]

Ok finally the Raiders win a game.

The defense has been solid all year. Going into this game we were rank #8 in total yards given up per game,

If the offense can get going, we should be alright for the rest of the season.

[Lorena]

Ok finally the Raiders win a game.

The defense has been solid all year. Going into this game we were rank #8 in total yards given up per game,

If the offense can get going, we should be alright for the rest of the season.

I'll have what he's smoking http://smilies.sofrayt.com/1/950/smoking.gif

[Oilers9911]

Ok finally the Raiders win a game.

The defense has been solid all year. Going into this game we were rank #8 in total yards given up per game,

If the offense can get going, we should be alright for the rest of the season.

And what exactly is alright? 4-12? 3-13?

[Danny]

Raiders go 5-5 the rest of the way and finish 6-10

[k0ruptr]

Raiders go 5-5 the rest of the way and finish 6-10

I'll totally take that bet. how much?

[Danny]

I'll totally take that bet. how much?

You don't know the Raiders well enough my friend. They will manage to win just enough games to ensure the team brings back The Shell and his sidekick B&B Boy who will promise us more years of agony.

[Eaglesfan27]

No way do the Raiders go 6-10. I'd take that bet too.

[saldana]

i think i look forward to this thread getting bumped each week more than i do the week in pictures.

[stevew]

http://a1253.g.akamai.net/f/1253/1122/1d/graphics.sdm3.com/raiders/uploads/00Raiders.comNewsletter/5for130.jpg
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Great locations are still available, call 1-800-RAIDERS today and reserve your tickets to this Sunday's game against the Pittsburgh Steelers!

In addition to Season Tickets, The Oakland Raiders Sales & Service Department (http://sdm3.com/index.cfm?s384c479853t506n193eo1431) has multiple ticketing options to meet any budget. Call 1.800.RAIDERS to speak directly with a Raiders Sales Representative, or email us at [email protected] ([email protected]) with your questions.

Interested in Individual Game Tickets? Click here (http://sdm3.com/index.cfm?s384c479853t506n193eo1166) to purchase.

[stevew]

That's some pathetic ass fans, if they cant even sell out with tickets that cheap.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Over/under on sacks by Joey Porter against the Raiders this week: 3.5

If Joey Porter's hamstring allows him to actually be active for the game this week, then change that over/under to about 19.

[stevew]

Over/under on sacks by Joey Porter against the Raiders this week: 3.5

If Joey Porter's hamstring allows him to actually be active for the game this week, then change that over/under to about 19.
I doubt he plays. He'll probably be back for the Denver game, to play in front of some of his college fans.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I doubt he plays. He'll probably be back for the Denver game, to play in front of some of his college fans.
OK, then I'm going with the 3.5.

[Ksyrup]

Going into this game we were rank


Finally, a JB comment I can support. But don't worry, despite the victory, the Raiders are still rank.

[Bad-example]

http://a1253.g.akamai.net/f/1253/1122/1d/graphics.sdm3.com/raiders/uploads/00Raiders.comNewsletter/5for130.jpg
That's right, catch the Oakland Raiders' last five home games for as little as $130. You'll want to be there for great games against the reigning World Champion Pittsburgh Steelers, division rivals Denver Broncos and Kansas City Chiefs, as well as matchups against the NFC West-leading St. Louis Rams and the first ever visit by the Houston Texans.

Great locations are still available, call 1-800-RAIDERS today and reserve your tickets to this Sunday's game against the Pittsburgh Steelers!

In addition to Season Tickets, The Oakland Raiders Sales & Service Department (http://sdm3.com/index.cfm?s384c479853t506n193eo1431) has multiple ticketing options to meet any budget. Call 1.800.RAIDERS to speak directly with a Raiders Sales Representative, or email us at [email protected] ([email protected]) with your questions.

Interested in Individual Game Tickets? Click here (http://sdm3.com/index.cfm?s384c479853t506n193eo1166) to purchase.



Employee #1 - What's that sound?
Employee #2 - That ringing sound? I don't know.
Employee #1 - It seems to be coming from the telephone!
Employee #2 - That can't be right.
Employee #1 - No, it is definitely the phone. What should I do?
Employee #2 - Well, I guess you should answer it.
Employee #1 - Ok, here goes! Hello? Yes, there are plenty left. Really?? Well
sure! Can you hang on for just a second?
Employee #2 - Who is it?
Employee #1 - You are not going to believe this. It is someone wanting to buy
Raider tickets!
Employee #2 - Liar. You think I am gullible enough to believe anything, don't
you?

[Brillig]

I was listening to the radio in the car today when a Raider fan called in - he absolutely would not budge off of his assertion that Andrew Walter was "one of the leading quarterbacks of the NFL."

Get off the phone, jbmagic :)

[Joe]

Raiders are up 7-0 on the Steelers after 1 quarter.

[k0ruptr]

gross.

[Joe]

10-6 at half

[yabanci]

up 13-6 and driving to start 4th quarter.

[Rizon]

You have to admit: the Raiders are the best 1-5 team in the NFL.

[Rizon]

The Raiders are the best 2-5 team in the NFL. For real.

[k0ruptr]

San Francisco and Cleveland are better then the raiders, its already been proven on the field...

[k0ruptr]

if the raiders choke this away I will laugh.

[Oilers9911]

Maybe Pittsburgh is just crap.

[k0ruptr]

Nice goalline stand for the raiders. Looks like they got it in the bag now.

[Joe]

winning streak!

[larrymcg421]

8 more to go!

[Raiders Army]

The defense is underrated...that being said, I was glad that Roethlisberger played. I think things would've been different had Charlie Batch played.

[pennywisesb]

Two game winning streak! W00T!

[bulletsponge]

wow i knew the Steelers were the luckiest Superbowl winner last year, and the most overrated this year. but damn losing to the Raiders is proof that they lost thier edge

[jbmagic]

Raiders coming along nicely now.

They play great defense all Season so far. Just look at their defensive stats. They near the top in a lot of defensive categories. And they are young and getting better.

Its their offense that needs to get better and they will be ok.

[jbmagic]

dola

Net yards passing= 17 yards only ouch :(
Lucky their defense score 2 TD today to give them the win.

[Raiders Army]

You're a dick sometimes, you know that? Anyhow, I had a few responses for you but I couldn't settle on one:

1. Yeah, I'll brag about them. The Cards are World Champions (in baseball)!
2. Considering the Raiders were "underdogs" sure.
3. Since they're supposedly the worst team in the NFL, were they supposed to win?

Pick one.

Fixed.

[RedKingGold]

Bump in honor of Tyler Brayton

[Ragone]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVc3C0D4Ihw

This pretty well sums up the thread i think

[Ksyrup]

After watching last night's game, I think I finally found my JV team's offense. Back in 1983, I was in 7th grade and played DE on the junior high JV team. We went 0-6 and our offense failed to gain a first down the entire year. It was basically 3 plays, -20 yards, and punt for 15 yards. Over and over.

There were two highlights of the year (for me): first, I dislocated our QBs shoulder in practice, knocking him out for the season (which he should have thanked me for), and second, in wind sprints before our last game of the season, I outran our starting RB in a 60-yard dash. Yes, our offense sucked that bad.

Thank you, Raiders, for letting me relive my glory years.

[rkmsuf]

Someone with a sense of humor over at NBC should utilize the flex scheduling to get the Raiders another Sunday night game.

[Ksyrup]

Someone with a sense of humor...and a new job already lined up.

[SunDevil]

Shell takes offense to Walters' critique of, well, offense


Nov. 13, 2006
CBS SportsLine.com wire reports


ALAMEDA, Calif. -- Art Shell took issue with quarterback Andrew Walter's criticisms of the Oakland Raiders' struggling offense and appears ready to make a switch back to Aaron Brooks.

Walter took shots at coordinator Tom Walsh's offense after Sunday's 17-13 loss to Denver, saying there is not enough "depth" in the playbook, the offense was too predictable and that the team needed to utilize more quick-developing plays than five- and seven-step drops.

That didn't sit well with Shell, who has fiercely defended Walsh all season long from criticisms that he is out of touch after being away from the NFL for more than a decade.

"You have to be accountable for what you do," Shell said Monday. "To start making statements about what's in and what's not in, then you need to take a hard look at what's there. Obviously, I don't want to get into a contest with a young man, but for him to come out and say those things, (that's) totally off-base as far as I'm concerned."

Walter was unavailable for comment Monday, but had plenty to say after Oakland's latest loss.

"We need to make it more complex," Walter said, referring to the Raiders' playbook. "I'd like more swing routes, flat routes, short stuff. There are certain things I'd like to see."

Shell did not respond to criticisms of the offense and coaching staff earlier in the season from receiver Randy Moss, saying everyone can "speak their mind." But the coach wasn't as accepting of the comments from Walter, who is in his second year in the NFL.

"When you speak out, you need to know what you're talking about when you make those statements," Shell said. "You can speak out. I've said that before. Guys are capable of speaking out, but when you start going out and you start airing your laundry in public, then you've got to have some accountability for that, too."

Shell said Walter's comments wouldn't play into the decision about who would start at quarterback Sunday at Kansas City, but he appears ready to give the job back to Brooks.

Brooks began the season as the starter before straining a pectoral muscle in the first quarter of the second game. The injury took longer to heal than the Raiders originally thought, giving Walter an extensive opportunity to prove he was ready to be an NFL starter.

Brooks returned to practice two weeks ago and said Monday he's ready to play in games as soon as the coaches give him the go-ahead.

"I'm going to take a hard look at it and see where we are with him," Shell said. "He's been throwing the last couple of weeks. I thought last week he threw the ball a whole lot better. ... I think he's very close. We'll see how he goes."

Brooks, who was just 6-for-14 for 68 yards before getting hurt, said the problems on the NFL's worst offense are more about execution than play calling. Brooks has made 84 starts in his career and said he believed he gives the team a better chance to win than the inexperienced Walter does.

"I think we have a greater chance," Brooks said. "I possess some skills that with my experience gives us a greater chance."

Walter has shown sporadic signs of success, but needs to do much more to overcome a poor offensive line. Walter has completed just 48.1 percent of his passes and thrown only three touchdowns and nine interceptions. He has also lost seven fumbles and been sacked 40 times.

Walter said he has asked for changes in the offense and the coaches have sometimes listened to his suggestions.

Shell said Walsh's offense runs many of the same plays as other teams in the NFL and does not call more deep drops than many other teams. He also said that the players have more say on what plays get called than he has seen in the past.

Shell also was upset about comments made by Moss, who blamed his frequent dropped passes this season on a loss of focus because he's not happy with what's going on around the team.

"My concentration and focus level tends to go down sometimes when I'm in a bad mood," Moss said. "So all I can say is if you put me in a good situation and make me happy, man, you get good results."

Shell said he "hates" to hear comments like that.

"You're paid to play a game that you've played for many years and that you love and once you hit the field, you compete," Shell said. "That's the way I see it."

[Crim]

Art Shell is running a trainwreck over there in Oaktown. I love it!

[Rizon]

Well, Walter's is right. Sure, the guy is just not NFL starter or backup quality, but he's right (he'll be out of the NFL in less than 4 years).

Shell and Walsh just simply terrible and do not belong in the NFL anymore.

[Vince]

I don't know that Walter won't be successful as at least a backup somewhere -- the fact that he has had ANY success (3 TDs, nearly 50% completion percentage) with that O-Line seems amazing.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Just watched the NFL Replay of the Raiders/KC game. That Brooks INT at the end of the game in the endzone as the Raiders were poised to win was "Classic Brooks." Just hilarious.

[Brillig]

Houston Texans.

[Oilers9911]

Houston Texans.

And a staggering -5 net passing yards.

[bulletsponge]

that was good enough to beat the Raiders

[Oilers9911]

that was good enough to beat the Raiders

Which tells you everything you need to know about the Raiders.

[Raiders Army]

That was an ugly, ugly game. John Shoop gives me more hope than Tom Walsh. It was definitely in the execution (Randal Williams, two consecutive plays, two consecutive fumbles lost).

[Ksyrup]

It's too bad they accidentally gave Shell a defense, because if they were even mediocre on D, this could well be one of the worst NFL teams of all time.

[Rizon]

I made this last year, but it's time to bring it back again.

http://home.comcast.net/~rizon1976/Oakland_Raiders_Generator.jpg

[Passacaglia]

While cleaning out my mailbox, I found this snippet from back before Week 1, that a friend sent to me:

Chargers (-3) over RAIDERS
I'll leave you with this: Apparently the European version of "Madden" has a glitch where, if you're playing in superstar mode and not controlling the QB, he'll throw the football backward on every play. I mention this not because it's a funny YouTube clip, but because the person who posted that YouTube clip called it, "the Aaron Brooks glitch." In other words, they decided to name the glitch after the real-life QB who's most likely to throw the ball 35 yards backward during a game. And you wonder why I'm laying the three.

Quote doesn't catch the link, but here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxanEBhUmec

[Butter]

Just read the NFL play-by-play recap, and I have to say that I can't wait for the rolling behemoth that is the Oakland Raiders to come to Cincy this week. I just hope they don't rise up like the Lions did this week. As it stands, I don't look to have much reason to worry.

How do you lose a game where you hold the other QB to 32 yards passing? I guess the same question could be asked of Minnesota.

[Neuqua]

That was an ugly, ugly game. John Shoop gives me more hope than Tom Walsh.

And therein lies your problem. Trust me.

- Bears fan.

[gstelmack]

I made this last year, but it's time to bring it back again.

You have a bug. Radio buttons can't have multiple options selected. You need checkboxes instead.

:D

[Ksyrup]

You have a bug. Radio buttons can't have multiple options selected. You need checkboxes instead.

:D

The other problem is that under "When to commit penalties?", the "never" option should be grayed out.

[Atocep]

That was an ugly, ugly game. John Shoop gives me more hope than Tom Walsh. It was definitely in the execution (Randal Williams, two consecutive plays, two consecutive fumbles lost).


If you're a fan of wide receiver screens on 3rd and long and not a single play in the playbook that has a receiver running a route further than 5 yards downfield John Shoop is your guy.

[rkmsuf]

If you're a fan of wide receiver screens on 3rd and long and not a single play in the playbook that has a receiver running a route further than 5 yards downfield John Shoop is your guy.

You can't expect Randy Moss to run hard for more than 5 yards so he's a perfect fit.

[bulletsponge]

I made this last year, but it's time to bring it back again.

http://home.comcast.net/~rizon1976/Oakland_Raiders_Generator.jpg

this is a thread that just keeps getting better and better :D

[Esquared1]

You can always play "Art Shell Bingo".

hxxp://www.beachwoodreporter.com/sports/overunder_13.php#more

[Pumpy Tudors]

lol raiders lol

[Raiders Army]

I'm not sure what will happen first: The Raiders get a winning season or the US will pull out of Iraq.

[JediKooter]

One things for sure (I think), they won't pick a place kicker or a punter in the first round of the draft.

[bulletsponge]

One things for sure (I think), they won't pick a place kicker or a punter in the first round of the draft.

dont underestimate Al Davis!

[k0ruptr]

they should draft Greg Oden and turn the raiders into an nba team. They definetly have enough thugs for it.

[SirFozzie]

"And with the first pick in the 2007 NFL draft.. The Oakland Raiders select.."

(yes this is piling on, and I do kinda feel bad.. but hell, Piling On is what FOFC does best!)

[Logan]

Like a fine wine, this thread is...

[sterlingice]

Like a fine wine, this thread is...

Full of sour grapes?

SI

[Ksyrup]

Freaking Lions don't even know how to lose right!

[Oilers9911]

That's ok, The Raiders will draft Brady Quinn and he'll end up being Joey Harrington so the Lions will be happy with #2.

[Oilers9911]

Dola. Where the hell is jb to tell us all that the Raiders were a play or two away from 6-10?

[PackerFanatic]

And the Lions will just end up at drafting a wideout and eventually the city of Detroit will stand up and lynch Matt Millen.

[Ksyrup]

Calvin Johnson will go to Detroit at #2.

[st.cronin]

Remember when jb could start threads?

[Rizon]

The Raiders were the best 2-14 team this year, at least.

[Raiders Army]

If you can't be #1 in January, be #1 in April!

[Pumpy Tudors]

Dola. Where the hell is jb to tell us all that the Raiders were a play or two away from 6-10?
Of course, he'd fail to notice that, given their record, the Raiders are necessarily at least four plays from being 6-10.

[Desnudo]

If you want to crown them, crown their ass

[Oilers9911]

If you want to crown them, crown their ass

The Raiders are what we thought they'd be......
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Horseshit

[duckman]

Dola. Where the hell is jb to tell us all that the Raiders were a play or two away from 6-10?

I guess he's been invisibanned.

[bulletsponge]

JB can look at the bright side, in FOFC's next mock draft he can pick #1. that is unless Raideresarmy gets to pick for the Raiders

[cthomer5000]

I love this thread.

[Oilers9911]

Sadly, I think if jb was running the real draft for the Raiders he would do a better job than the real Raiders would.

[Oilers9911]

Dola: Can you imagine jb doing the pre-draft interviews with the players?

jb: how the ai with brady quinn?
Brady Quinn: Scratches head.

[RedKingGold]

According to ESPN.com; Art Shell is officially fired.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2720610

Davis was rumored to be interviewing Saddam Hussein for the vacant position, but he is currently unavailable for interviews.

[k0ruptr]

who would really want the job?

[TroyF]

who would really want the job?

Nick Saban.

[kingfc22]

This thread should go down in the lore of FOFC along with GB's dynasties and the maximum football thread

[Vinatieri for Prez]

From the story:

"While Art will no longer serve as head coach, he and Mr. Davis have discussed and will continue to discuss opportunities for Art to remain a valued member of the Raider organization."

Um, you have to start out as a valued member before you can remain one.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

From the story:

"While Art will no longer serve as head coach, he and Mr. Davis have discussed and will continue to discuss opportunities for Art to remain a valued member of the Raider organization."

Um, you have to currently be a valued member before you can remain one.

[stevew]

If they can draft a QB, probably Russell, and Al Davis can be declared mentally incompetent and relieved of his duties, the next head coach has a decent shot at having a good squad within 2 years. Their defense was nothing to be ashamed of this year(most weeks).

It's actually amazing how they were that bad, with the defensive production they got.

[Rizon]

If they can draft a QB, probably Russell, and Al Davis can be declared mentally incompetent and relieved of his duties, the next head coach has a decent shot at having a good squad within 2 years. Their defense was nothing to be ashamed of this year(most weeks).

It's actually amazing how they were that bad, with the defensive production they got.

Agreed. Al Davis v2.0 has to go down as one of the worst owners in sports history. The guy is just beyond unintelligent. And I'm loving every second of it.

[cthomer5000]

It's a shame Art has to be the fall guy here. It's not his fault the NFL didn't allow them to play a 32 game schedule to try to get the 10 wins necessary to make the playoffs.

[cthomer5000]

They will play all season with Art Shell the coach there.

Everyone there respect him a lot. They will not quit

from page 1... gold

[Ksyrup]

This stuff is awesome. Someone needs to do a reality TV show based on "A Year In the Life of...The Oakland Raiders."



When Al Davis asked, veteran Raiders players refused to endorse Art Shell. Many of them spoke of a team-wide revolt, a mental shutdown in defiance of the disorganized practices, emotionless team meetings and general feeling of hopelessness. They denounced Shell's uneven coaching performance, citing the his season-long mishandling of Jerry Porter as an obvious personal grudge. Players also spoke of a double standard in the way Shell and his staff seemed to coddle Randy Moss.
-- San Francisco Chronicle


Not long after Art Shell was hired there was an organizational meeting to interview free agent Aaron Brooks, the failed Saints quarterback. One of the Raiders assistant coaches who was there recently revealed, "He wasn't with us for five minutes and I hated the guy. He didn't take responsibility for anything that happened in New Orleans. He was their quarterback and he had nothing to do with their problems or the losses. After he left, I thought, 'What are we talking to this guy for?' Next thing I know he's our quarterback."
-- Boston Globe
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[Kodos]

Dola: Can you imagine jb doing the pre-draft interviews with the players?

jb: how the ai with brady quinn?
Brady Quinn: Scratches head.


:D

Is JB no longer around?

[DaddyTorgo]

no jb is around. he's on the board right now. i think SD has just...muzzled him. for shame.

[Oilers9911]

free jb
free jb
free jb

[st.cronin]

free james brown
free james brown
free james brown so I can run him down

[bulletsponge]

this thread need more JB, we gotta get more JB

[kcchief19]

This stuff is awesome. Someone needs to do a reality TV show based on "A Year In the Life of...The Oakland Raiders."



When Al Davis asked, veteran Raiders players refused to endorse Art Shell. Many of them spoke of a team-wide revolt, a mental shutdown in defiance of the disorganized practices, emotionless team meetings and general feeling of hopelessness. They denounced Shell's uneven coaching performance, citing the his season-long mishandling of Jerry Porter as an obvious personal grudge. Players also spoke of a double standard in the way Shell and his staff seemed to coddle Randy Moss.
-- San Francisco Chronicle


Not long after Art Shell was hired there was an organizational meeting to interview free agent Aaron Brooks, the failed Saints quarterback. One of the Raiders assistant coaches who was there recently revealed, "He wasn't with us for five minutes and I hated the guy. He didn't take responsibility for anything that happened in New Orleans. He was their quarterback and he had nothing to do with their problems or the losses. After he left, I thought, 'What are we talking to this guy for?' Next thing I know he's our quarterback."
-- Boston Globe
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The players crack me up. Do they not realize that all the decisions they're griping about were made by Davis, not by Shell? Art Shell couldn't pinch a loaf without getting permission from Al.

Then again, maybe Davis knew they would suck out loud this year and figured if he made them miserable enough, they'd love the next guy no matter what. Jim Mora Jr. could be the savior.

[RedKingGold]

The Oakland Raiders are pleased to announce their new starting QB:

Josh Booty (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/03/22/bc.fbn.raiders.moves.ap/index.html)

[Passacaglia]

Maybe they think he's JaMarcus Russell.

[MrBug708]

The Oakland Raiders are pleased to announce their new starting QB:

Josh Booty (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/03/22/bc.fbn.raiders.moves.ap/index.html)

I've drank with Josh Booty before. He's a pretty chill guy actually. Not sure he can really play QB anymore, but his World Series ring was pretty cool

[Franklinnoble]

The Oakland Raiders are pleased to announce their new starting QB:

Josh Booty (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/03/22/bc.fbn.raiders.moves.ap/index.html)

Wow. That's freaking insane. That makes the Jeff George signing look like a stroke of brilliance by comparison.

[Ksyrup]

"Booty was one of the nation's top high school quarterbacks in 1993 when he decided to play baseball instead of football."

Good God, my brother graduated high school in 1993. Now's he an opthamologist, and this guy still hasn't thrown an NFL pass.

[Brillig]

Tuiasosopo to the Jets, apparently. So hang on to your Booty!

[JPhillips]

It seems pretty clear that Kiffin thought he was getting the USC Booty.

Booty's brother, John David Booty, was the quarterback at Southern California last season, where new Raiders coach Lane Kiffin was an assistant.

Just wince, baby.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I'm waiting for jbmagic's "Booty looking great in preseason" thread.

[saldana]

i love this thread

[Pumpy Tudors]

Welcome Shatner!

[Lathum]

Welcome Shatner!

:mad:

[Ksyrup]

What's got Sipowicz's panties in a bunch?

[cthomer5000]

there is some great stuff in an Sporting News article from weeks back that talk about the Raiders being one of the worst franchises in pro sports:


Davis dumped Collins after the 2005 season and brought in free agent Aaron Brooks (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:fantasyPopup%28%27nfl%27,%204781%29), a former starter in New Orleans who was considered merely a quality backup by most of the league. Yet Davis liked Brooks' strong arm and hoped he could get the ball downfield to Moss and Porter. But Brooks, who struggled with injuries all season, instead demonstrated the same bad decision making and error-ridden play that had soured the Saints on him. He did not win a game as starter. In December, he admitted wondering, "What have I gotten into?" The Raiders offense he had dreamed about? "I have my PlayStation for that," he said. The real Oakland offense? "I see a lack of motivation, enthusiasm, excitement and skill. Right now, we need a miracle to get something done offensively."
I love that Playstation line to death


The self-centered Moss was appointed offensive captain for the season, an awful decision. He became a barometer for all things wrong with the offense. On a radio show before the first game, he complained: "There's a lot of funny things going on in this organization. ... It's fishy around here, so actually we're walking on eggshells around here." In early October, he said: "I'm doing fine. I'm not even concerned with football right now. I'm just loving life." Asked if he was concerned about the team, he answered: "No, because it doesn't seem like nobody else is concerned, so why should I?" Asked about a trade, he said: "If it is good for this team for me to be traded, of course." In November, he attributed his numerous dropped passes to "a bad mood" affecting his concentration and focus, all stemming from his unhappiness with everything Raiders. He sat out the final three games with an ankle injury and finished with 42 catches.

This season, we briefly got a glimpse of the dysfunction. At a news conference in late November, Shell astonishingly called out a team employee, whom he did not name, and lambasted him for undermining the Raiders by criticizing offensive coordinator Tom Walsh, a close friend of Shell's, to national media. "There has been an attack on my (football) family," said Shell, and he referred to the employee as a "fox inside your chicken coop." Reporters immediately knew Shell was referring to senior personnel executive Mike Lombardi. Amazingly, nothing came of the episode; both Shell and Lombardi continued in their positions.

this team is amazing

[beargrowlz]

Just want to reiterate, Raiders looking good in preseason!

[bulletsponge]

Just want to reiterate, Raiders looking good in preseason!

i agree! May this thread never die

[Easy Mac]

I thought Booty played for the Marlins?

[Brillig]

The Marlins got tired of Booty throwing interceptions.

[Julio Riddols]

Its time Al Davis got Schott. I don't even like the Raiders, but this is an embarrassment to the league.

[beargrowlz]

Its time Al Davis got Schott. I don't even like the Raiders, but this is an embarrassment to the league.

She couldn't do any worse at QB than what they've had.

[DaddyTorgo]

there might be a stroke of genius here though. Now I strongly doubt it...but what if josh came to visit jd at USC last year and was talking with Kiffen...and Kiffen had him toss the ball around and saw something he liked. It's likely a low-risk, high-reward deal, and if you're planning on drafting JaMarcus #1 overall and then letting him play his rookie year, you're really looking at josh just as a bench-boy. I don't see the harm. I don't think he's likely to see the field honestly. Who knows, maybe Lane told JD that he'd get his brother a job and then they'd funnel that money to JD in exchange for JD demanding to be traded to the Raiders after being drafted. Could be any of a number of weird things going on.

[Passacaglia]

So they would already be looking for their replacement for the #1 pick, one year later?

[Pumpy Tudors]

what better, josh booty or tim couch

[DaddyTorgo]

So they would already be looking for their replacement for the #1 pick, one year later?


no. I meant it as an either/or type thing. Who the hell knows what's going through Al's mind.

[Logan]

Can we keep all of our Raider bashing to one thread? It's hard to follow the conversation between this and the Offseason thread, and I want to make sure I don't miss any insults.

[Logan]

Or just expand the bashing to unrelated threads. That could work too.

[beargrowlz]

Can we keep all of our Raider bashing to one thread? It's hard to follow the conversation between this and the Offseason thread, and I want to make sure I don't miss any insults.

Hey, Raiders looking good in preseason dude! Don't be hatin on 'em.

[beargrowlz]

dola.

what better, josh booty or tim couch

Eric Crouch.

[Franklinnoble]

what better, josh booty or tim couch

danny wuerffel

[RedKingGold]

Todd Marinovich