Werewolf XXXVI: Resident Evil (S.T.A.R.S. Wins! Post #1424)

[Fouts]

Based on hoops's quote I mean. I voted for spleen based on the voting record. If I learned anything at all from previous games, it's that voting records mean a lot.

What bugs me is that he didn't mind bandwagonning. Like as if he needed to hide his vote.

[hoopsguy]

Spleen, what are your thoughts on the people voting for you right now? Who do you trust the least and why?

[SnDvls]

out for the night see you all tomorrow

[hoopsguy]

I'm a frigging yo-yo with this vote. My gut tells me that the Zombies would have to go all out to win this vote. And there are more people I do not trust on Spleen right now than on Glen.

[hoopsguy]

DC, if I asked you to follow me over to Glen with me would you be willing to do it?

[BrianD]

I'm a frigging yo-yo with this vote. My gut tells me that the Zombies would have to go all out to win this vote. And there are more people I do not trust on Spleen right now than on Glen.

I think we are all in the same spot. We have what looks like two good choices, but we have to pick one. I'm really hoping we are fighting between two zombies as that means we have a shot at winning this game.

[spleen1015]

Spleen, what are your thoughts on the people voting for you right now? Who do you trust the least and why?

I don't trust Glen. We know that SnDvls is Umbrella. He hasn't clearly fought for our side and he still wonders about SnDvls after he has been cleared of zombie.

LSG, I don't really have a read on. She seems to play every game the same. Post a vote, bad reason for vote. Disappear.

BrianD. I don't think anything at this point.

path has voted with the crowd every day. Good zombie cover, IMO.

Fouts I believe really is IA, thus on my side.

hoops, I dunno. I think you are Umbrella. Wouldn't be surprised if STARS.

Dodgerchick? Sheesh. Does anyone have a read here?

So, the only person I totally trust is Fouts. The only folks I totally don't trust are path and Glen.

I believe those are the 7 votes on me.

[hoopsguy]

If we are fighting between Zombies then my vote flip-flopping doesn't hurt us at all. So I'm not worried remotely about that scenario. I'm worried about there being a wrong side on this vote and finding myself unwittingly on it.

[spleen1015]

I really, really wish I had a role to reveal.

[spleen1015]

If we are fighting between Zombies then my vote flip-flopping doesn't hurt us at all. So I'm not worried remotely about that scenario. I'm worried about there being a wrong side on this vote and finding myself unwittingly on it.

You are right now, homie.

[SnDvls]

So, the only person I totally trust is Fouts. The only folks I totally don't trust are path and Glen.


why don't you trust me?


now I'm really out...once I see this response

[spleen1015]

why don't you trust me?


now I'm really out...once I see this response

You're Umbrella. You need me dead to win the game.

[Glengoyne]

...

Your early thoughts were all pretty much wrong based on seer views. Later, you lament wishing you could keep your vote on SnDvls, even though it seems widely accepted that he is Umbrella. I'm having a hard time understanding your thought process this game.

On the snDvls thing. I moved off because fouts cleared snDvls...and then voted for them. Then when snDvls came out and said NOPE I'm umbrella, and our seer says "X". Also the bit about being cut off. That statement just didn't pass muster in my book. I was rushed to respond..and to catch up as peopel were throwing my name around.

Then I catch up the full bit of snDvls being cleared Fouts actually being the IAD rather than the Umbrella scanner as I thought, and I believe others were suggesting.

So not so much thought process as posting under time pressure with inaccurate/incomplete information.

[BrianD]

If we are fighting between Zombies then my vote flip-flopping doesn't hurt us at all. So I'm not worried remotely about that scenario. I'm worried about there being a wrong side on this vote and finding myself unwittingly on it.

I am hoping that we are fighting between zombies. I don't care which way the vote goes tonight, we just need a zombie.

[Fouts]

hoops, you mentioned the people you though were umbrella were on Glen. Who is that?

[spleen1015]

I am hoping that we are fighting between zombies. I don't care which way the vote goes tonight, we just need a zombie.

Then you need to switch your vote to get one.

[spleen1015]

5 minutes to save me! Come on STARS! You need me!

[spleen1015]

What's your gut telling you hoops? You know I'm STARS.

[hoopsguy]

I am hoping that we are fighting between zombies. I don't care which way the vote goes tonight, we just need a zombie.

So would you be willing to switch votes right now since DC never responded? If not, why since you don't care which way the vote goes tonight?

[spleen1015]

BrianD, if you are STARS, you need me!

3 minutes!

[hoopsguy]

Fouts, I think I said that there were people I suspected as Umbrella on Spleen late and that I was concerned the middle of that surge was unknowns.

[BrianD]

So would you be willing to switch votes right now since DC never responded? If not, why since you don't care which way the vote goes tonight?

I'll go either way. I'm a little afraid of shifting and being wrong, but I'm also afraid of staying and being wrong. I'll go either way.

[spleen1015]

2 minutes. You guys are making a tragic mistake!

[spleen1015]

I'll go either way. I'm a little afraid of shifting and being wrong, but I'm also afraid of staying and being wrong. I'll go either way.

YOU GUYS NEED TO SWITCH NOW!

[spleen1015]

60 freaking seconds!

Come on you guys! I'm not a freaking ZOMBIE!

[Fouts]

Wow, you are trying awfully hard for a vanilla role.

[hoopsguy]

Lets swing this one over - I have major concerns about Anxiety/DC in this game and basically was willing to go oppo on her.

UNVOTE SPLEEN
VOTE GLENGOYNE

[spleen1015]

Wow, you are trying awfully hard for a vanilla role.

I want STARS to win!

[path12]

Wow, you are trying awfully hard for a vanilla role.

My thought also.

[Glengoyne]

Oh and Hoops on the disjointed post. I just went back and you are correct. Disjointed. I was thinking outloud.

On day three when you switched onto Cronin I feared that you and Alan were Umbrella and playing the village to the tune of your choosing. I was acknowledging that that wasn't likely the case, but not really willing to back away.

[BrianD]

Unvote Spleen
Vote Gley

[BrianD]

Unvote Spleen
Vote Glengoyne

[spleen1015]

Unvote Spleen
Vote Gley

I hope this counts!

[path12]

Doesn't that tie it?

[BrianD]

We better not have just ended in a tie.

[Chubby]

time check

[spleen1015]

You guys won't be sorry on your switch. I promise you!

[spleen1015]

If Brian's counts, I think it is 7-5 Glen.

[hoopsguy]

One way or another this will be a 6-5 vote. Only way that this ends up tied is with "LUCKY", I guess.

[Glengoyne]

What!

Oh well, scan us both. Extra day for the zombie horde.

[hoopsguy]

MrW was on LSG, so there were 11 votes between the two candidates.

[Lathum]

i hope you all get your brains eatin'

[Glengoyne]

One way or another this will be a 6-5 vote. Only way that this ends up tied is with "LUCKY", I guess.

Oh true...I thought it was a 5-5 situation...I forgot that DC and Hoops had come over.

So 6-5.

Who has the six?

[Fouts]

i hope you all get your brains eatin'

Another game starting soon? I expect to be looking for one soon.

[LoneStarGirl]

chubby?

[Fouts]

Looked like brian got his vote in at the deadline.

[BrianD]

We'll need an official ruling on this one.

[path12]

Oh true...I thought it was a 5-5 situation...I forgot that DC and Hoops had come over.

So 6-5.

Who has the six?

Looks like you.

[Fouts]

We'll need an official ruling on this one.

Brian, are they both STARS? Is that why you didn't care which?

[Lathum]

MrW was on LSG



:eek:

[Fouts]

I guess I should say non-zombies.

[Chief Rum]

We'll need an official ruling on this one.

Your vote came before Chubby's time check.

[BrianD]

Brian, are they both STARS? Is that why you didn't care which?

I have no way of knowing. Both seemed like likely zombies and I don't necessarily suspect one more than the other.

[Chief Rum]

Brian, are they both STARS? Is that why you didn't care which?

Are you suggesting Brian is not STARS? I have my own suspicions, just wanted to flesh out what you're trying to say here.

[Fouts]

While we wait, who is the best scan candidate?

[Chubby]

Another night with the death of a S.T.A.R.S. member brings about a wild day of accusations and discussion. People yelling at the top of their lungs proclaiming their profession while others shouting that they are liars. They day seemed centered on a few people before a flurry of activity at 11 o'clock when it came down to spleen and glengoyne. Could the people get their opinions in in time???

The executioner was called to the center of town as both glengoyne and spleen were brought to the center of a red spot on the pavement, clearly this was where the other executions had taken place. The executioner has his men blindfold both glengoyne and spleen as he looked down at his note...

[Fouts]

Are you suggesting Brian is not STARS? I have my own suspicions, just wanted to flesh out what you're trying to say here.

Dunno, just trying to get a rise out Brian. He's too wiley though.

[SnDvls]

While we wait, who is the best scan candidate?

what night did you scan me again?

I could leave just yet with what was unfolding

[hoopsguy]

Basically wanted to test the mettle of a couple of people who still sit on my "largely untrusted" list. DC did not respond (mostly untrusted because of Anxiety, not her actions) and Brian did. We'll see how this lynch turns out - if we got a Zombie here I think we have a nice roadmap for tomorrow.

[Chubby]

The executioner raises his gun at spleen and...

BANG

BANG

BANG

...

[Chief Rum]

While we wait, who is the best scan candidate?

Spleen, I would guess. And Brian because of his move here, although if Glen is a zombie that might clear that a bit. Alan is a good option, too.

[Glengoyne]

Looks like you.

Now.

When you say I have the six. This probably isn't like an elected office is it?

This is like golf right? I wanted the 5?

I can't believe you guys caved to the begging and pleading. For Chrissakes, if he comes back zombie I'm going to gloat for some time.

[Chief Rum]

Damn, what the heck is going on?

[Glengoyne]

Oh damn Looks like I was lucky.

Ha Ha Zombie and Umbrella scum!!!!

[SnDvls]

Damn, what the heck is going on?

I think he's gonna add and shoots over his head and takes out Glen

[LoneStarGirl]

Chubby you are enjoying this way too much.

[LoneStarGirl]

Or the bullets go through spleen to hit glen... take them both out

[hoopsguy]

Chubby, can you please publish the final vote count after the death scene is complete?

[SnDvls]

Oh damn Looks like I was lucky.

Ha Ha Zombie and Umbrella scum!!!!


there are still ...'s don't get too happy yet

[Tyrith]

Never seen 13 people on a Sunday night before.

[spleen1015]

If Glen is STARS, then we're screwed!

[Chief Rum]

Oh damn Looks like I was lucky.

Ha Ha Zombie and Umbrella scum!!!!

Don't get your hopes up. Chubby's screwing with us. ;)

[Chubby]

GLENGOYNE'S body slumps to the ground!

The crowd murmurs... "Was this the right decision??? This seems too much like the previous executions!"

As they all lean in for a closer look, they see something move!!!


<rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr>

Glengoyne is still moving! In fact he's trying to get at the executioner!!!




The executioner takes a step back, slams the butt of his shotgun in Glengoyne's face and fires a finishing shot between the eyes!

Night Four Ends Mon 9am EST

[Glengoyne]

I think he's gonna add and shoots over his head and takes out Glen

This got me to laugh. And considering the content, that is saying something.

[path12]

Never seen 13 people on a Sunday night before.

Sign of a good game right there.

[BrianD]

I think we got one.

[Fouts]

NICE!!

[Chief Rum]

If Glen is STARS, then we're screwed!

lol...after all your begging and pleading and getting people to move over, you drop this? haha

That said, yes, if we're wrong and Glen is STARS, we're in serious deep s***.

[LoneStarGirl]

Looks like Glen was one... so we got what? 2 more?

[Chief Rum]

Hell yeah. We got one!

[hoopsguy]

7. Glengoyne - Lynched Day Four - Sombie Infector


Killer.

[path12]

Cool. Ballsy switches at the end, hoops & Brian. Good work.

[Chubby]

Final Vote:

(1) lonestargirl - Mr Wednesday (1488)
(5) spleen - lonestargirl (1448), path12 (1528), glengoyne (1616), fouts (1673), dodgerchick (1746)
(6) glengoyne - Alan T (1520), spleen (1543), chief rum (1668), SnDvls (1689), hoops (1777), BrianD (1781)

[Glengoyne]

Oh well I learned a lot trying to be evil. Hopefully I'll play a better game next time.

Good luck to the zombie horde!!!

/UUuuurp

[Fouts]

Nice move hoops. <golf clap>

[hoopsguy]

Brian, thanks for moving there. I'm glad, for both our sake, that it worked out.

[SnDvls]

told ya Glen....;)

[Fouts]

Infector? Sweet.

[BrianD]

We got the infector too? Sweet.

[SnDvls]

finally good night all

see you in the morning. ;)

[Fouts]

I think that clears Brian. No way he makes that move to kill the infector if he is a zombie. Has me thinking that spleen would take one for the team to save the infector too.

[BrianD]

Brian, thanks for moving there. I'm glad, for both our sake, that it worked out.

Ballsy move. I'm glad it worked out.

[LoneStarGirl]

I am thinking we need to put some pressure on MrW because he hasn't been here, plus he voted for me right after Brian and Spleen did.

[Chief Rum]

Yup, kudos to hoops on this move, although this doesn't mean spleen is cleared. I find it unlikely spleen and Glen would fight it out like this, though, if they were on the same team and knew someone from the horde would die.

Do we look at the spleen votes now for some guidance?

[spleen1015]

Hell yeah! hoops and BrianD, good move at the end. I thought I was a goner and STARS would be hurting bad.

I can't believe all of the begging and pleading worked.

[st.cronin]

THAT was an interesting lynch.

[Fouts]

DC, path and Chief Rum I think are the candidates for another zombie.

[Chubby]

(GM NOTE: All the games I've played have allowed votes on the deadline and that's what my decision was all well. When I time check is irrelevant, it's the time stamp on the post)

[Fouts]

Oh and Mr. W, who I haven't seen much of.

[LoneStarGirl]

DC, path and Chief Rum I think are the candidates for another zombie.

Why not MRW?

[spleen1015]

Yup, kudos to hoops on this move, although this doesn't mean spleen is cleared. I find it unlikely spleen and Glen would fight it out like this, though, if they were on the same team and knew someone from the horde would die.

Do we look at the spleen votes now for some guidance?

If was a zombie, what kind of sense does it make for me to try and push everyone to vote for the infector? That would be pretty damn stupid, IMO.

[hoopsguy]

I think the people with night actions should have much better ideas on what to do this evening. Lets see what information people gather tonight before we start putting pressure on people. I have some opinions on who is Zombie at this point, and hopefully people in a position to collect information can process the same info from today.

[path12]

Hell yeah! hoops and BrianD, good move at the end. I thought I was a goner and STARS would be hurting bad.

I can't believe all of the begging and pleading worked.

The begging and pleading isn't what worked, I'm willing to bet. That part was actually kind of sad. Hoops and Brian playing an angle is what saved you.

[spleen1015]

The begging and pleading isn't what worked, I'm willing to bet. That part was actually kind of sad. Hoops and Brian playing an angle is what saved you.

Do what you gotta do!

[hoopsguy]

Hell yeah! hoops and BrianD, good move at the end. I thought I was a goner and STARS would be hurting bad.

I can't believe all of the begging and pleading worked.

I'm not sure I would consider this a go-to strategy in the future ;)

[LoneStarGirl]

The begging and pleading isn't what worked, I'm willing to bet. That part was actually kind of sad. Hoops and Brian playing an angle is what saved you.

Not really sad, kind of pathetic. If hoops and brian hadn't gotten a smart idea at 10:50 you would be dead.

[SnDvls]

Yup, kudos to hoops on this move, although this doesn't mean spleen is cleared. I find it unlikely spleen and Glen would fight it out like this, though, if they were on the same team and knew someone from the horde would die.

Do we look at the spleen votes now for some guidance?


althought St. C and alan did the same and were both on the same team.

[spleen1015]

I'm not sure I would consider this a go-to strategy in the future ;)

Who cares? We bagged a zombie instead.

[spleen1015]

Not really sad, kind of pathetic. If hoops and brian hadn't gotten a smart idea at 10:50 you would be dead.

You're still sour I called you a dumbass. If you're STARS, you need to get over it.

[BrianD]

I'm not sure I would consider this a go-to strategy in the future ;)

I would say not. For a moment I thought you orchestrated a tie. I was going to find a way to reach through your computer screen and slap you.

[Lorena]

My son has been hassling me for the past hour or so... time to put his ass to bed.

Gnite all.

[hoopsguy]

Brian, I was worried about Lucky coming into play but since most people missed yesterday I was hoping it would not bite us in the ass.

[Chief Rum]

If was a zombie, what kind of sense does it make for me to try and push everyone to vote for the infector? That would be pretty damn stupid, IMO.

Well, duh, why do you think I questioned my own thought there? Although it was more based on the possibility of a zombie-zombie fight, more than anything to do with the Infector.

[Chief Rum]

Brian, I was worried about Lucky coming into play but since most people missed yesterday I was hoping it would not bite us in the ass.

I thought bullet was the lucky one. I think we killed off "lucky" early.

[BrianD]

This has been a wild one tonight. I think I'm going to take some cold medicine and drift off into a NyQuil coma.

[Fouts]

Any thoughts on my choice for scan?

[hoopsguy]

I thought bullet was the lucky one. I think we killed off "lucky" early.

Did rules say that only one person got the role? Didn't check the rules on that today ...

[Alan T]

(5) Spleen - Lonestargirl (1448), Path (1528), Glengoyne (1616), Fouts (1673), Dodgerchick (1746)
(6) Glengoyne - Alan (1520), Spleen (1543), Chief RUm (1668), Sndvls (1689), Hoopsguy (1777), BrianD (1782)
(1) Lonestargirl - mr.wednesday (1488)


(1387) Alan votes hoopsguy (1)
(1400) Spleen votes Lonestargirl (1)
(1417) Lonestargirl votes Sndvls (1)
(1448) Lonestargirl UNVOTES Sndvls (0)
(1448) Lonestargirl votes Spleen (1)
(1464) BrianD votes Lonestargirl (2)
(1469) Hoops votes Spleen (2)
(1484) Alan UNVOTES Hoopsguy (0) ***
(1484) Alan votes Sndvls (1)
(1488) mr.wednesday votes lonestargirl (3)
(1491) chiefrum votes sndvls (2)
(1497) Spleen UNVOTES Lonestargirl (2) ***
(1497) Spleen votes Sndvls (3)
(1510) BrianD UNVOTES Lonestargirl (1) ***
(1510) BrianD votes Spleen (3)
(1513) Glengoyne votes Sndvls (4)
(1520) Alan UNVOTES Sndvls (3) ***
(1520) Alan Votes Glengoyne (1)
(1528) path votes spleen (4)
(1543) Spleen UNVOTES Sndvls (2) ***
(1543) Spleen votes Glengoyne (2)
(1586) Chief Rum UNVOTES Sndvls (1) ***
(1590) Dodgerchick votes Alan (1)
(1616) Glengoyne UNVOTES Sndvls (0) ***
(1616) Glengoyne votes spleen (5)
(1622) Sndvls votes Spleen (6)
(1668) Chief Rum votes Glengoyne (3)
(1673) Fouts votes spleen (7)
(1689) Sndvls UNVOTES Spleen (6) ***
(1689) Sndvls votes Glengoyne (4)
(1710) Hoopsguy UNVOTES Spleen (5) ***
(1710) Hoopsguy Votes glengoyne (5)
(1735) Hoopsguy UNVOTES Glengoyne (4) ***
(1735) Hoopsguy Votes Spleen (6)
(1746) Dodgerchick UNVOTES Alan (0) ***
(1746) Dodgerchick votes spleen (7)
(1777) Hoops UNVOTES Spleen (6) ***
(1777) Hoops votes Glengoyne (5)
(1782) BrianD UNVOTES Spleen (5) ***
(1782) BrianD votes Glengoyne (6)

[Chief Rum]

Did rules say that only one person got the role? Didn't check the rules on that today ...

I don't think it says one way or another, but my feeling is only one player gets it.

[hoopsguy]

Fouts, you could scan Spleen to determine just how much to take from this result.

1.) You hit a Zombie
2.) You learn that Spleen is STARS like he says, and there is a lot of meaning behind votes
3.) You learn (already know? :)) that Spleen is Umbrella, and there is still a lot of meaning behind votes

Alternate is to pick one of the people who voted for Spleen that have not already been cleared.

[Fouts]

Fouts, you could scan Spleen to determine just how much to take from this result.

1.) You hit a Zombie
2.) You learn that Spleen is STARS like he says, and there is a lot of meaning behind votes
3.) You learn (already know? :)) that Spleen is Umbrella, and there is still a lot of meaning behind votes

Alternate is to pick one of the people who voted for Spleen that have not already been cleared.

Still suspect me, eh? I think you need to give me some credit for changing things up. Although I didn't move at the end, I think I gave some trust in you that caused brian to move.

I think scanning spleen is a waste. I can't see a zombie begging to have the infector lynched. Just doesn't work in my mind.

[Alan T]

Any thoughts on my choice for scan?

For anyone with a scan.. here are my thoughts.. Two of these three are people I mentioned earlier before finally deciding to push at Glengoyne. I hope at least everyone other than St.Cronin can forgive me for day 3 with trying to push Glen today. I know many others had to push glen as well to make this possible, but hopefully now people who actually are on my team can at least buy in a little more to having me around :)

Path - I brought up path this morning mainly because he came across different to me today than prior today. I don't know if its because he just was more vocal today than past days though so it might be a red herring. Path today just felt most likely to be a converted zombie out of those left though. At the time he pushed it to a tie between spleen and Sndvls (not sure if that means much), but he did vote for spleen the vote before Glengoyne voted for him (post 1528 to post 1616). So thats the only correlation I can find there. Probably my weakest of the three feels.


Dodgerchick - Anxiety played the game much differently than Dodgerchick has so far since coming on. I assume if it was a person with a role, she would have gotten Anxiety's info PM'd to her when she joined. The things that wouldn't be the same would be feelings about people based on roles, and strategy. When Anxiety left, my impression was Anxiety was feeding me lines to make me feel that I was his #1 most trusted person in the game. Then Dodgerchick comes in and instantly votes for me in the same role. That either speaks to me that it is a bad role playing it differently or a generic vanilla Stars role perhaps. Just caught me quite odd to go from one character's Most trusted to least trusted overnight for no good reason.

mr.wednesday - The most UtR person left in the game, has hidden his vote among non-candidates the same way Glengoyne had that I called Glen out on this morning. (Bulletsponge day 1, BrianD day 2, St.cronin day 3, LSG day 4). Only 2 of the 4 days meaningful votes, has added very little to the conversation other than coming at me full force one night earlier.

[hoopsguy]

Cool, then move over to MrW as another option along with viewing the people who voted for Spleen. That should give you a few choices.

As far as suspecting you, it didn't matter at all in terms of today. And as long as it appears we are chasing Zombies tomorrow it won't matter then either.

[spleen1015]

I think Dodgerchick and path12 are the folks we need to look at. They are the only ones who voted for me that haven't been cleared in some way.

Dodgerchick - ???
path12 - ???
LSG - not zombie - cleared by Fouts
Fouts - not zombie - presumed STARS IA
Glengoyne - confirmed Zombie

Other than Mr. Wednesday, I think Dodgerchick and path are our best bets.

Has Fouts been 100% cleared as STARS or are we all just trusting in him?

[spleen1015]

Also, I think BrianD is almost cleared as Zombie. He was the deciding vote on lynching the infector.

[Alan T]

I think the vote swings from today are as interesting as the final vote count. I think to find the next zombie is going to require some help from the umbrella seer. Its only a matter if they are still interested in helping us find zombies.

Spleen, BrianD, Mr.W voted for Lonestargirl while Lonestargirl and Hoops voted for Spleen at the start. We don't know if this means much right now since we don't know the allegiance of Spleen or LSG yet. We only know Fouts says LSG is not a zombie

I came in and commented that I didn't like a Spleen v LSG matchup to start today and instead wanted to focus on the trio of Sndvls, Glengoyne and Fouts.

I voted for Sndvls and was followed by Chief Rum, Spleen and Glengoyne which then put Sndvls in the lead over Spleen for votes.

Its probably an ok guess to say if Sndvls is umbrella that Chief Rum or Spleen are not umbrella from this.

At this point BrianD flipped from voting for LSG to vote for Spleen instead to bring spleen closer to Sndvls in voting. (Possible sign that BrianD is umbrella here?)

At this point, I had enough of Glengoyne's story and said I felt I guessed wrong between Sndvls and Glen and wanted to change direction. I then put a vote on glen which tied up Sndvls and Spleen at this point. Path came in and voted for Spleen here, and then once again Spleen jumped ship to my vote (he did that twice today. not sure what that means just yet). At this point it was 4-2-2 with Spleen in the lead.

We saw Glengoyne and Sndvls both jump on the vote for spleen within just a few votes of each other to make it 6-2 Spleen vs Glengoyne.

Chief then jumps onto Glen, Fouts votes for spleen. 7-3

At the end we saw all types of vote switching between Sndvls, BrianD and Hoops which eventually ended up on Glen for the lynch. This likely means that Sndvls, BrianD and Hoops are at least not zombies. Sndvls is Umbrella, my earlier speculation in this post is possible BrianD is umbrella.. maybe hoops is too.

[Alan T]

I think Dodgerchick and path12 are the folks we need to look at. They are the only ones who voted for me that haven't been cleared in some way.

Dodgerchick - ???
path12 - ???
LSG - not zombie - cleared by Fouts
Fouts - not zombie - presumed STARS IA
Glengoyne - confirmed Zombie

Other than Mr. Wednesday, I think Dodgerchick and path are our best bets.

Has Fouts been 100% cleared as STARS or are we all just trusting in him?



For now Fouts is likely either Stars or umbrella.. but for now we want zombies. And its not worth killing fouts if he is umbrella.

One fallacy about your using who voted for you as best bets is we still have no idea what your allegiance is. So just because someone voted for you isn't necessarily statistically meaningful unless you turn up good. If you and Glen were both zombies, then who cares where anyone else voted.

[Fouts]

I will assume the bodyguard protects me tonight. I'm not even sure he exists, but the threat of one should keep them away one night.

Just in case I do die tonight. I will repeat my scans.

LSG - STARS
SnDvls - Umbrella
Hoopsguy - STARS

Fouts - STARS - IA

Once I am dead, you guys will believe what I said. I was hoping that my timing at my role reveal was good, and with a zombie death I see it now worked out for the best.

Best bets for an original zombie: Mr. W, DC, Path, Chief Rum.

[Fouts]

With regards to conversion (if there was one) - I think the zombies would go with somebody that really had no heat and a bit UtR.

Best best for a converted zombie: Mr. W, Path, Chief Rum, LSG.

Alternates: DC, Alan, hoops.

I don't think they would convert DC not knowing if the role would be filled. Alan and Hoops probably had too much heat. I can't see Brian or spleen making their moves tonight if they were a zombie.

[Alan T]

I will assume the bodyguard protects me tonight. I'm not even sure he exists, but the threat of one should keep them away one night.

Just in case I do die tonight. I will repeat my scans.

LSG - STARS
SnDvls - Umbrella
Hoopsguy - STARS

Fouts - STARS - IA

Once I am dead, you guys will believe what I said. I was hoping that my timing at my role reveal was good, and with a zombie death I see it now worked out for the best.

Best bets for an original zombie: Mr. W, DC, Path, Chief Rum.

THe first three you listed were the 3 I named earlier so far I havent heard too many people come up with arguements against those three. Chief rum is a bit different I think as he comes across to me as non-umbrella due to his part in getting lathum lynched, and he listened to reason to vote for Sndvls and then again listened to reason to unvote him and then vote for Glengoyne making it 6-3. More importantly not moving it from Glengoyne later.

I mean I guess its possible that Chief is a zombie, but right now he is one of the few that I get a Stars feel about. Your other three I will agree with, as I already laid out the case against Mr.W, DC and Path.

[Fouts]

I don't include myself, spleen, Brian or SnDvls. Their actions tonight pretty much cleared them in my mind.

There is one scenario with SnDvls being converted and clearing Alan, but I think that is a longshot. It would be a perfect arrangement though.

[Alan T]

With regards to conversion (if there was one) - I think the zombies would go with somebody that really had no heat and a bit UtR.

Best best for a converted zombie: Mr. W, Path, Chief Rum, LSG.

Alternates: DC, Alan, hoops.

I don't think they would convert DC not knowing if the role would be filled. Alan and Hoops probably had too much heat. I can't see Brian or spleen making their moves tonight if they were a zombie.

Well I wasn't converted, but even so, if we are to believe Sndvls, he says the umbrella seer scanned me last night. I have no idea if that would have been before or after a conversion attempt though..

I stick by my reasoning from earlier that I think path is the most likely conversion choice right now. But there could be many others it could have been.

[Fouts]

THe first three you listed were the 3 I named earlier so far I havent heard too many people come up with arguements against those three. Chief rum is a bit different I think as he comes across to me as non-umbrella due to his part in getting lathum lynched, and he listened to reason to vote for Sndvls and then again listened to reason to unvote him and then vote for Glengoyne making it 6-3. More importantly not moving it from Glengoyne later.

I mean I guess its possible that Chief is a zombie, but right now he is one of the few that I get a Stars feel about. Your other three I will agree with, as I already laid out the case against Mr.W, DC and Path.

Yes, that was good analysis. I'm worried about the zombie that doesn't say a whole lot so its hard to pin them down. It isn't the way I would play, but it has proven to be successful.

I am leaning towards scanning Mr. W or DC. They might not be available to discuss their voting records, so a scan would be better.

[hoopsguy]

Fouts, if you looked at me on Night 3 then I could not have been converted. Chubby confirmed that the view takes place after the conversion when I asked him that question earlier in the day.

[Fouts]

Fouts, if you looked at me on Night 3 then I could not have been converted. Chubby confirmed that the view takes place after the conversion when I asked him that question earlier in the day.

Ok. Can you pull up that post? Also, can anyone pull up the post where SnDvls said Alan was scanned last night. I know SnDvls said Alan was scanned, but didn't catch when.

[spleen1015]

For now Fouts is likely either Stars or umbrella.. but for now we want zombies. And its not worth killing fouts if he is umbrella.

One fallacy about your using who voted for you as best bets is we still have no idea what your allegiance is. So just because someone voted for you isn't necessarily statistically meaningful unless you turn up good. If you and Glen were both zombies, then who cares where anyone else voted.

I just typed up a big ass post in response to this explain how I felt about everyone after tonight's events. After rereading it 3 or 4 times, I was able to shoot holes all over it. So, I don't know what to think at this point.

With everything that has happened tonight, I am pretty sure that Dodgerchick, Mr. Wednesday, path12, and Chief Rum are our only options for zombies.

Alan T, Fouts, LSG, SnDvls, hoops, and BrianD are a combination of STARS and Umbrella.

I have a strong feeling that SnDvls is Umbrella, but I don't believe for a second he was cut off. The good play in this situation is for Alan to be Umbrella along with him and claiming him to be STARS to get him on our side. I think Alan is quite possibly the Umbrella seer.

No more UTR for spleenie.

[Alan T]

Does anyone else other than me wonder the following:

If you assume that Fouts is our seer, and he did scan who he said...

Why did Sndvls come out to admit Fouts was not on his team..

Why did he only list me as a person the umbrella side scanned as cleared?



What would sndvls gain from clearing me?
What would sndvls gain from clearing fouts?

[spleen1015]

Question for Chubby

What happens if an Umbrella gets converted? Do they get PM priviledges with both factions?

[Alan T]

I guess the post before mine answers my question if Im the only one wondering about sndvls play

[Alan T]

Ok. Can you pull up that post? Also, can anyone pull up the post where SnDvls said Alan was scanned last night. I know SnDvls said Alan was scanned, but didn't catch when.


Here it is, but something just doesn't really add up for me about how these reveals all went down. (ie: see my other questions about this reveal)

Alan - fouts ain't on my team and I know you are stars...out seer check you out yesterday.

vote spleen

[spleen1015]

With everything that has happened tonight, I am pretty sure that Dodgerchick, Mr. Wednesday, path12, and Chief Rum are our only options for zombies.

I do need to correct something here. I don't want to say these guys are the only options for zombies. It is totally possible that someone outside of these 4 got converted in Night 3.

[Alan T]

With the way the reveals went, I just have a nagging feeling that someone was slipping someone through to get a team mate cleared. I just dont know who and how. The biggest reward in this play would possibly getting buy in for Fouts as the Stars Seer. The play by sndvls to make it seem like a seperate umbrella seer to give credence to Fouts' story then has people buy in that Fouts is STARS.

The only way to invalidate that would be for the real Stars seer to out themselves and alert everyone with who they are to easily kill them off. it also makes it tougher for the real stars seer to role reveal if put on the lynch block with someone already revealing their role previously and unchallenged.

That is what the paranoid side of me thinks.

The more logical side of me feels that Fouts likely would die in the next two days so this would have to have been a short term strategy, and the longer we go the more likely he is just telling the truth after all.

Either way at this point I'm not sure it matters a whole bunch as long as we keep in mind everyone listed by fouts or sndvls as zombie/non-zombie but also keeping in mind any of those could have been converted too.

[hoopsguy]

Chubby, can you tell us the order of actions for:
1. Conversion via Infector
2. IA scan on a target

That is the correct order. The order of operations doesn't really help you much IMO and I had been asked in PM (and gave the answer) so it's only fair I answer it here as well.

Here was my earlier question about order of actions. Note that there could be a difference between the STARS seer and an Umbrella seer, but I did pose the question about order of actions this morning.

Going to bed now, looking forward to another productive day tomorrow after a crazy one today.

[Alan T]

Likewise, heading to bed myself. see folks in the morning.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, I suspect Fouts is the Umbrella seer. And that they scanned you (not SnDvls) on Day 2. But I don't think it matters a ton, as Fouts was very helpful today and should still be interested in helping us find at least one more Zombie.

[Fouts]

With the way the reveals went, I just have a nagging feeling that someone was slipping someone through to get a team mate cleared. I just dont know who and how. The biggest reward in this play would possibly getting buy in for Fouts as the Stars Seer. The play by sndvls to make it seem like a seperate umbrella seer to give credence to Fouts' story then has people buy in that Fouts is STARS.

The only way to invalidate that would be for the real Stars seer to out themselves and alert everyone with who they are to easily kill them off. it also makes it tougher for the real stars seer to role reveal if put on the lynch block with someone already revealing their role previously and unchallenged.

That is what the paranoid side of me thinks.

The more logical side of me feels that Fouts likely would die in the next two days so this would have to have been a short term strategy, and the longer we go the more likely he is just telling the truth after all.

Either way at this point I'm not sure it matters a whole bunch as long as we keep in mind everyone listed by fouts or sndvls as zombie/non-zombie but also keeping in mind any of those could have been converted too.

I'm not sure what your purpose is here. Does it really matter to you if I am the STARS or Umbrella seer? Would the Umbrella seer really slip in a known zombie?

As I said before, I didn't like any of the candidates on the block (LSG, SnDvls or spleen). I wasn't sure about spleen, but it was way too close with 2 other non-zombies there. So I made my move.

I could care less who is umbrella anymore. I'm looking to win the game with zombie kills. If you are an umbrella, then I can understand what you're doing. If you're STARS, why aren't you satisfied that we bagged a zombie?

[spleen1015]

If you're STARS, why aren't you satisfied that we bagged a zombie?

Because we still have to worry about Umbrella getting rid of us. So, knowing who's what helps prevent losing.

I'll be statisfied when we win.

Good night all!

[Mr. Wednesday]

if I had to guess on a third or second zombie it'd be Mr. W...his vote on LSG is way out there to me.

My vote was cast before things went totally batshit insane in this thread.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I am thinking we need to put some pressure on MrW because he hasn't been here, plus he voted for me right after Brian and Spleen did.
I haven't been here because I've been physically unavailable.

Admittedly, I've done absolutely nothing to help STARS so far. Hopefully I'll be able to change that tomorrow.

[Chief Rum]

I can tell tomorrow is going to be very interesting.

Something I think we should keep in mind. Let's say, short of conversions, that all of our zombies are in the group presented (DC, MR.W, path and myself) by spleen (and Fouts, too, I think).

It seems likely there is 1-2 original zombies left, assuming we started with 2-3. That means we're closer to reaching our win condition.

Umbrella does NOT want us to reach that condition. We are close. We have to figure they will be more reticent to help us. Look how they threw SnDvls to the wolves (yes, I buy his story about being cutoff). They are in it to win, and now that we have caught a zombie, I think they will return to being not so helpful.

What this all means, I can't say without knowing further actions (as a kill or two at night could also change things again). All I am saying is, Umbrella helped us today. I don't know we can count on them to help us tomorrow.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I think Umbrella wanted to back the zombies off a little bit today. With the infector down, the zombies are stuck at two; don't count on them lifting a finger until and unless they're to two themselves (in which case they'll have to have another zombie killed to win).

I'd be interested in our count right now... we need to keep Umbrella from getting a plurality of the votes.

[Mr. Wednesday]

When I say "don't count on them lifting a finger", I mean, don't count on Umbrella. They've got their win set up.

[Alan T]

I'm not sure what your purpose is here. Does it really matter to you if I am the STARS or Umbrella seer? Would the Umbrella seer really slip in a known zombie?

As I said before, I didn't like any of the candidates on the block (LSG, SnDvls or spleen). I wasn't sure about spleen, but it was way too close with 2 other non-zombies there. So I made my move.

I could care less who is umbrella anymore. I'm looking to win the game with zombie kills. If you are an umbrella, then I can understand what you're doing. If you're STARS, why aren't you satisfied that we bagged a zombie?

Of course I am happy that we bagged a zombie, but its important to know that umbrella isn't trying to help us win. What happened today was umbrella saving one of their own (Sndvls) and we need to remember that its very likely last night's big hubbub was staged not to deliver us a zombie, but to save an umbrella member.

It ended up having the added effect of nabbing a zombie, but if Spleen (whom appears now to not be umbrella probably but could still be Stars or a zombie) was lynched instead, we could have walked away holding our heads again if he had been stars.

My point here is that we wern't handed a zombie last night by umbrella (or stars even), and we shouldn't expect umbrella to just hand us a zombie in the future either. They want to win, so for us to keep that in mind is probably a pretty good idea.

I can forsee it being very likely for us to get to a point in the game where umbrella is close to winning and suddenly they hand us a STARS member as the "zombie" to try to lock up a win.

[Fouts]

I can forsee it being very likely for us to get to a point in the game where umbrella is close to winning and suddenly they hand us a STARS member as the "zombie" to try to lock up a win.

Good point.

How well were we doing before I revealed? Lynching an Umbrella would have been just as bad as lynching a STARS.

[Alan T]

Good point.

How well were we doing before I revealed? Lynching an Umbrella would have been just as bad as lynching a STARS.

I have no problem with the reveal or how things went down last night. If Spleen had been lynched and ended up STARS then I would have been a bit more upset. I am not sure what to think of Spleen's last hour antics, but I am guessing the upcoming day or two will tell if Spleen is Stars or zombie.

I was perfectly fine with taking a chance on unknowns that -could- be stars to try to hit a zombie. I also think yesterday helped the Stars get a better feel on who are more likely to be umbrella members than Stars members as well based on their behavior during the day's votes.

So I think yesterday was a good day for us, and alot of it has to do with your revealing. If we had gone on and lynched Sndvls and he had ended up Umbrella, I wouldn't have been horribly upset though but a zombie is far better.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I've done something a little bit rash, wish me luck. If I screwed it up, we're behind the eight-ball.

[Mr. Wednesday]

And what's up with timestamps not being corrected for DST? My TZ is eastern and my option for DST corrections is "always on".

[Alan T]

I've done something a little bit rash, wish me luck. If I screwed it up, we're behind the eight-ball.

let me guess, you were the stars sniper and chose to kill someone last night? Want to say who it was since deadline is past?

[Alan T]

And what's up with timestamps not being corrected for DST? My TZ is eastern and my option for DST corrections is "always on".

not sure. for me the time is 2:24pm on the forums. I never set any of that I guess

[Fouts]

Converted sniper would suck.

[Alan T]

Converted sniper would suck.

I wonder if a converted sniper would get blocked by a bodyguard if that ever became a possibility. I'm not sure that Mr.W would have been on my top 5-8 list for who to convert, but I guess thats because he was on my top 5 suspect list though.

I am guessing Mr.W was not converted and he played a hunch last night. Guess we get to find out how well it worked out soon.

[Fouts]

I wonder if a converted sniper would get blocked by a bodyguard if that ever became a possibility. I'm not sure that Mr.W would have been on my top 5-8 list for who to convert, but I guess thats because he was on my top 5 suspect list though.

I am guessing Mr.W was not converted and he played a hunch last night. Guess we get to find out how well it worked out soon.

I'm hoping if he was converted, that he still kills himself for shooting one of his own.

[Alan T]

In thinking about it. not worried about a converted sniper. If he takes the life of a STARS or Umbrella member then he will kill himself too. So that to me means one of two things:

1) If he is a converted sniper and kills a STARS, he will kill himself anyways.

2) If he is a converted sniper and the rule changes for a converted sniper and a STARS dies, then we know something is up if Mr.w is still alive and we lynch him today.

So with that said, nothing really to worry about. If no zombies died last night and Mr.W is still around he's the target today. So lets just hope he guessed well.

[Alan T]

I'm hoping if he was converted, that he still kills himself for shooting one of his own.

Oh I see.. so you say a converted sniper who kills a fellow zombie in order to gain trust. Hmm guess its a possibility. Should be fun to watch. Not going to worry too much until we see it play out though

[Fouts]

Oh I see.. so you say a converted sniper who kills a fellow zombie in order to gain trust. Hmm guess its a possibility. Should be fun to watch. Not going to worry too much until we see it play out though

No, I was thinking like you that he still couldn't kill a STARS player. I'm really not sure how Chubby would work this one out.

[Alan T]

Something else to think about if there are two independant seers out there, and we had a short list of 3 names that many people thought should be scanned (Dodgerchick, path, Mr.W) the odds of Mr.W being a zombie and getting scanned was pretty high.

Now if both of the remaining zombies fell into that group, they might resort to some last ditch effort to try to survive and get some trust.

Yeah yeah, I know. I am paranoid about everyone. Just thinking through scenerios in my head and what I would try.

[Fouts]

Well, I scanned Mr. W. So this info would have been nice a few hours ago.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Sorry, Fouts. I didn't want to squelch my move. I knew that both I and my target were possible scans for you.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm guessing that, if I'd been converted, I would have lost the night kill ability.

[spleen1015]

Sorry, Fouts. I didn't want to squelch my move. I knew that both I and my target were possible scans for you.

Want to share who your target was?

[Fouts]

Sorry, Fouts. I didn't want to squelch my move. I knew that both I and my target were possible scans for you.

Yeah, I suppose if you had said something they would have killed you. Can't wait for the result.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I think I'd rather let the zombies sit in suspense.

[spleen1015]

Where is Chubby? I'm anxious to see what happened now!

[Glengoyne]

I have no problem with the reveal or how things went down last night. ..

Personally, I think things could have been gone better.:D


Don't mind me, I'm just here to see who's brains got munched.

[Fouts]

Well, I gotta bail. I hope Mr. W's move turns out well. I'll check back in this afternoon, assuming I'm alive.

[Alan T]

Chubby is currently busy sleeping off an all night drinking binge.

Either that or maybe Mr.W decided to snipe Chubby last night and end the game in a stalemate.

[Glengoyne]

Chubby is currently busy sleeping off an all night drinking binge.

Either that or maybe Mr.W decided to snipe Chubby last night and end the game in a stalemate.

I told you all that Chubby was a zombie sympathizer. He is observing an hour of silence to commemorate my ..errr... demise. You really just can't kill a zombie you know.

[Chubby]

sorry, comp issues.

PMs and results up shortly

[Alan T]

3. Dodgerchick ??? voted: Cronin, cronin, Fouts, spleen
4. path12 ??? voted: cronin, lathum*, cronin*, Spleen
8. Mr. Wednesday ??? claims sniper voted: bulletsponge*, BrianD, cronin*, Lonestargirl
10. Chief Rum ??? voted: bulletsponge*, Lathum*, cronin*, Glengoyne*
11. Fouts ??? claims IA voted: cronin, Sndvls, Sndvls, Spleen
12. lonestargirl Not-Zombie(fouts) voted: cronin, Lathum*, Fouts, Spleen
14. SnDvls Not-zombie(fouts) claims umbrella voted: bulletsponge*, Alan, Glengoyne, Glengoyne*
16. spleen1015 ??? claims vanilla-stars voted: bulletsponge*, Alan, Cronin*, Glengoyne*
17. hoopsguy Not-Zombie(fouts) voted: bulletsponge*, Lathum*, Cronin*, Glengoyne*
18. BrianD ??? voted: bulletsponge*, Sndvls, Cronin*, Glengoyne*

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**Dodgerchick/Anxiety right now seems the most suspicious. First 3 days buddying up to me (to the point where I responded saying that type of behavior usually makes me more suspicious of someone moreso than less suspicious) at which time Anxiety stopped buddying up to me. At that point, Anxiety made it sound like I was his most trusted person. Then suddenly with a new player, having the same amount information I'm assuming that Anxiety had, suddenly turn into most suspicious (and even got a vote from Dodgerchick before she finished reading the thread).

First two days stuck on cronin pretty strongly, then third day switched to Fouts when Cronin was lynched. Through 4 days only DC/Anxiety and Fouts are the only people who haven't been involved in the lynch decision yet.

The change in behavior from Cronin to fouts between days 2 and 3 after voting cronin for two straight days signals a change in belief or trust, however in the thread Anxiety comes out and publically supports me for voting cronin, and makes it aware that he trusts me. Anxiety's publically supporting me after I voted Cronin signifies to me that he did not learn anything from day 2 to day 3 specially important about Cronin. It would also make sense that if he had some ability to gain special knowledge about Cronin he would have done so on night 1 after voting cronin day 1.

The change of behavior from Anxiety to Dodgerchick on day 3 to day 4, going from most trusted to least trusted, signifies a change as well. One possibility would be learning something from a scan at night, which is doubtful in this case as seen with the behavior on the Cronin vote. Its much easier explained by the different person playing the role now having either a different take on the information received, or a different strategy for playing the role.

Based on the day 2 -> day 3 change, I'm right now thinking Dodgerchick might be my top suspect for the day.

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[Chubby]

Please wait until I post results before talking about last night ;)

[Glengoyne]

sorry, comp issues.

PMs and results up shortly

See, check the timestamp. One hour. You guys are in SO much trouble, I infected Chubby.

[Tyrith]

*faceclub Glen*

[Alan T]

Another fun but probably meaningless data point is Chief Rum is the only person left who has been a part of every lynch decision so far this game. (2 Stars, 1 umbrella, 1 Zombie) which I guess if anything speaks well of him the diverse voting for various groups.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, as part of your DC analysis - I initially asked DC to switch votes with me at the end of last night. She was still in the thread when I posed the question but did not answer. I then moved on to BrianD, who did switch with me to the Infector.

DC voting for Spleen is what pushed me over the top on making the vote change - I had not trusted Anxiety much at all over the first couple of days so this carried over to DC. Which is why I started by asking her if she would be willing to change candidates.

[Alan T]

Alan, as part of your DC analysis - I initially asked DC to switch votes with me at the end of last night. She was still in the thread when I posed the question but did not answer. I then moved on to BrianD, who did switch with me to the Infector.

DC voting for Spleen is what pushed me over the top on making the vote change - I had not trusted Anxiety much at all over the first couple of days so this carried over to DC. Which is why I started by asking her if she would be willing to change candidates.

As a Stars member watching the lynch, I didn't know which would turn up a zombie (like many said, whether they believed it or were just telling a story), I had no idea which one if not both were bad. So for arguement sake, I think by itself not moving at the last minute, isn't necessarily a clear cut case of being bad... but in this case its one more thing on the stack of other things I don't like.

Its all moot if Spleen is a zombie too, but right now DC seems to have barely edged out hoops as my most distrusted on my list :D

[Glengoyne]

*faceclub Glen*

Hey you can't do that. I ate your brain!

Sorry, I'll go away now.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I just want to say, boo-yah! :D

[Abe Sargent]

Lo all. Still feeling crappy and this is the first time I've checked in to FOFC since Saturday morning. Glad to see DC took over the reigns. See you all in the next WW (ran by me, btw).



-Anxiety

[hoopsguy]

Double boo-yah.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, I'll shut up now and wait for Chubby. :)

[Chubby]

After a thrilling day, the townspeople what could possibly be more exciting? Surey last night couldn't top the daytime (and don't call me Shirley).

Everyone gathers in the townsquare as is ritual and notices that there's TWO people missing! They start to canvas house to house before arriving at Alan T's house. They find him sitting at his computer playing some sort of game. His brains are splattered all over the monitor, all they can make out on the screen is "F-F 2--7" They of course, find a gun and holster in his computer desk.

The crowd saddened by Alan's death keep searching house to find who else is missing!

Little Timmy suddenly yells out "Where's my brother path12?!?!?" and starts crying. The crowd rushes to path's house to try and find him. When they arrive they are puzzled, path is nowhere to be seen! Finally someone notices that in the outside of the front door there is a bloody bullet embeded in the doorframe, there is however no body.

Day Five Ends Mon 11pm EST

[Alan T]

Lo all. Still feeling crappy and this is the first time I've checked in to FOFC since Saturday morning. Glad to see DC took over the reigns. See you all in the next WW (ran by me, btw).



-Anxiety

Hope you get feeling better Anxiety

[Mr. Wednesday]

An otherwise useless game redeemed.

[Alan T]

Good luck the rest of the game guys. :)

[path12]

Bastard. :D

[Mr. Wednesday]

I wouldn't be surprised if we've now taken down the two original zombies, which would leave the convert. In that case, we can't rely on Fouts's pre-night 3 scans.

[hoopsguy]

They came for me last night, but I'm SWAT and I stayed home on a protect. Was not able to hit my 12.5% role to identify the attacker, but glad I finally guessed right on one of my actions.

[Tyrith]

And now the Alan harassing can begin :)

[hoopsguy]

Mr.W, we can largely count on Fouts' scans if you believe his order and believe that I'm actually a bodyguard.

Night 1 - protected Fouts
Night 2 - protected NTN
Night 3 - protected LSG (key here in trusting Fouts' scans)
Night 4 - stayed home on the protect

[Alan T]

And now the Alan harassing can begin :)

lol. I feel a bit better now than I did after Cronin. Being a part of getting people shifted to Glengoyne and Sndvls helps me feel not completely useless. :) Was fun though. Will be reading interestedly to see how it ends up :)

[hoopsguy]

Path, must have been annoying over the weekend for me to be casting suspicion at you based on bogus reasons (you and Alan = Zombie scenario).

[Chubby]

I hope everyone is enjoying the game :)

Sorry about the delay today :(

[path12]

Path, must have been annoying over the weekend for me to be casting suspicion at you based on bogus reasons (you and Alan = Zombie scenario).

I'll admit I had some responses that I couldn't send.... :D

[hoopsguy]

MrW, congrats on the snipe. The list of bad guys is shrinking pretty quickly now. Fouts, and potentially another person, should be able to provide information on scans.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Path, must have been annoying over the weekend for me to be casting suspicion at you based on bogus reasons (you and Alan = Zombie scenario).

I can't speak for path, but when I was a bad guy, it really pissed me off when people were getting suspicious of me for the wrong reasons. :)

I will say, though, that my action was based almost entirely on the voting pool last night. The combination of seer reveals and indispensible zombie on the block left a very small group of candidates.

[st.cronin]

I just want to point out that several times back when I was in the game I said I was sure Alan was Stars.

I'm better at this game than you, deal with it. :D

[st.cronin]

I can't speak for path, but when I was a bad guy, it really pissed me off when people were getting suspicious of me for the wrong reasons. :)

In the Tombstone game, I had people saying they were suspicious of me starting 2 days before I was converted. Boy, was that annoying.

[Alan T]

I just want to point out that several times back when I was in the game I said I was sure Alan was Stars.

I'm better at this game than you, deal with it. :D

I said all along I was trying to make it till day 5 where I would pull the Schmidty Gambit. I just didn't make it long enough. :(

[hoopsguy]

Basically waiting for others to release any information they may have learned in order to evaluate it in the context of what we already know. I think it is safe to assume that Umbrella is not all that interested in helping today ...

[SnDvls]

VOTE FOUTS

have to get back in the good graces of my umbrella

[SnDvls]

DOLA - you assumed right :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

Basically waiting for others to release any information they may have learned in order to evaluate it in the context of what we already know. I think it is safe to assume that Umbrella is not all that interested in helping today ...

I think we're a little too close to winning for Umbrella's comfort right now. :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, which doesn't (by any means) mean we have the game in the bag... we're trying to dig out the last zombie, with a pool of non-zombies who are going to be actively unhelpful.

[spleen1015]

At this stage in the game, looking at all of the role reveals, etc, Dodgerchick is the logical vote at this point.

VOTE Dodgerchick

[spleen1015]

We're not guaranteed to have had a conversion either. It is possible their victim is vaccinated.

[Mr. Wednesday]

True... the worst case now, I guess, is that there were actually three originals and they managed to convert another, so we have two left. Best case is three originals, failed conversion, with one original left.

[SnDvls]

fouts might want to recheck one of his scans

[spleen1015]

Here is how I see everyone that is left in the game.

spleen1015 - STARS
Mr. Wednesday - STARS possible zombie convert
Chief Rum - not zombie
Fouts - Umbrella
LSG - STARS possibly Umbrella. possible zombie convert
SnDvls - Umbrella
hoops - STARS possibly Umbrella. possible zombie convert
BrianD - Umbrella
Dodgerchick - Zombie

Given all of the information that was out there on Day 3, I think it is mostly likely that hoops was converted. He was very vocal in the early game. He has claimed to be the bodyguard and guarded himself last night. If he was converted, it would be perfect for him to lay this out there, claiming to have protected himself and there be an attempt to kill him and he defended it without finding out who the suspect was. This earns him a lot of trust.

I also think Mr. W. could be the convert victim. If he, path and dodgerchick are the zombies going into last night, I can see their strategy being to kill one of them and gain Mr. W. some trust. It worked like a charm for Lathum in the Tombstone game. I can see it working out here.

[SnDvls]

spleen you really think it's 4-4-1 right now?
I see it as 4-2-3

[hoopsguy]

Spleen, anyone left who wants to cross-claim bodyguard against me is welcome to do so. I've had the role since the outset and I've been pretty consistent in saying I'm STARS without ever indicating I was "vanilla". I'm obviously not a seer type based on my actions against Cronin on Day 3.

Given my role in that affair, it would have been pretty reckless of the Zombies to go after me on Night 3.

Going into last night, the Zombies did not have the Infector. They had shown previously in the game that they had the ability to attempt multiple attacks, before a possible Night 3 conversion. Does anyone think that they did not launch multiple attacks last night? If they launched multiple attacks, is there any way you know that they would fail short of the bodyguard blocking one?

[hoopsguy]

Spleen is listing three people as possibly being Zombie Convert: me, LSG, and MrW.

Since no one is countering MrW's claim of sniper, I feel pretty confident he was the shooter last night. Clearly not a convert.

I know I'm not the convert, have spelled out thoughts on how a sane person should view this in Post #1970, and my night 3 protection of LSG indicates she is not a convert either.

So in my book Spleen is 0-3. And given his horrid voting record all game long (Glen vote was self-preservation, previously voted for two other people earlier in day - LSG and SnDvls) I have him pretty low on my distrust list. Spleen is a more likely convert than anyone he has listed. Or potentially a starting Zombie. Glen being a Zombie does not clear Spleen of being one.

Right now I'm looking at Spleen and Dodgerchick as my two leading candidates for today. Getting information on Spleen is much more valuable than any other candidate, because if it was a Zombie/Zombie showdown yesterday then we do not necessarily have trust/distrust for people based on yesterday's votes.

[spleen1015]

spleen you really think it's 4-4-1 right now?
I see it as 4-2-3

I think there are 2 zombies left. Dodgerchick and 1 convert. The STARS and Umbrella makeup is very likely to be 4-3.

Looking at how things went at the deadline, I can't believe that hoops is zombie. There's no freaking way a zombie switches to get the infector lynched.

Guh! This is pretty tough right now. The more I look, the more I don't know what to think.

[spleen1015]

Spleen is listing three people as possibly being Zombie Convert: me, LSG, and MrW.

Since no one is countering MrW's claim of sniper, I feel pretty confident he was the shooter last night. Clearly not a convert.

I know I'm not the convert, have spelled out thoughts on how a sane person should view this in Post #1970, and my night 3 protection of LSG indicates she is not a convert either.

So in my book Spleen is 0-3. And given his horrid voting record all game long (Glen vote was self-preservation, previously voted for two other people earlier in day - LSG and SnDvls) I have him pretty low on my distrust list. Spleen is a more likely convert than anyone he has listed. Or potentially a starting Zombie. Glen being a Zombie does not clear Spleen of being one.

Right now I'm looking at Spleen and Dodgerchick as my two leading candidates for today. Getting information on Spleen is much more valuable than any other candidate, because if it was a Zombie/Zombie showdown yesterday then we do not necessarily have trust/distrust for people based on yesterday's votes.

I am more than welcome to the idea that someone scan me. It will prove that I am STARS.

[spleen1015]

Spleen is listing three people as possibly being Zombie Convert: me, LSG, and MrW.

Since no one is countering MrW's claim of sniper, I feel pretty confident he was the shooter last night. Clearly not a convert.

I know I'm not the convert, have spelled out thoughts on how a sane person should view this in Post #1970, and my night 3 protection of LSG indicates she is not a convert either.

So in my book Spleen is 0-3. And given his horrid voting record all game long (Glen vote was self-preservation, previously voted for two other people earlier in day - LSG and SnDvls) I have him pretty low on my distrust list. Spleen is a more likely convert than anyone he has listed. Or potentially a starting Zombie. Glen being a Zombie does not clear Spleen of being one.

Right now I'm looking at Spleen and Dodgerchick as my two leading candidates for today. Getting information on Spleen is much more valuable than any other candidate, because if it was a Zombie/Zombie showdown yesterday then we do not necessarily have trust/distrust for people based on yesterday's votes.

Okay then. I will put a some stock in what you are telling me. If what you say is true and there was a conversion, then Chief Rum, BrianD, SnDvls or Fouts were the convert victim.

[hoopsguy]

Spleen, if Fouts or the "other" scan role in the game did not scan you last night then we are not going to get that information on you during the day today.

Based on that other role not having come out by now, I think there is a good chance that the zombies got the other seer role with their conversion. Hoping that is not the case, but starting to expect it is the longer that we do not have that reveal.

I think it is pretty unlikely that Fouts was the convert after the role he played yesterday. I don't know how to evaluate Chief and Brian for sure without knowing about you first. But if you are STARS then Brian should be pretty trusted for his switch last night and Rum to a lesser extent for his vote (going from memory, believe it was on Glen).

[spleen1015]

Spleen, if Fouts or the "other" scan role in the game did not scan you last night then we are not going to get that information on you during the day today.

Based on that other role not having come out by now, I think there is a good chance that the zombies got the other seer role with their conversion. Hoping that is not the case, but starting to expect it is the longer that we do not have that reveal.

I think it is pretty unlikely that Fouts was the convert after the role he played yesterday. I don't know how to evaluate Chief and Brian for sure without knowing about you first. But if you are STARS then Brian should be pretty trusted for his switch last night and Rum to a lesser extent for his vote (going from memory, believe it was on Glen).

I know I'm not the convert, so it has to be one of those people. Let's do this one at a time then.


Let's just say DC is zombie and remove her from the equation.

LSG - Cleared by you because you guarded her.
Fouts - Role Reveal yesterday
Chief Rum - voted for Glen
hoops and BrianD - late vote switch to lynch the infector.
SnDvls - claimed Umbrella by himself and confirmed by Fouts.
Mr. Wednesday - sniped zombie
Dodgerchick - cleared by no one mostly likely zombie

I'm the only one that hasn't been cleared by another person or my actions. So, things look very much like I am a zombie, but I promise you that I'm not.

So, if there was a conversion, it has to be of those other folks. I need to go back and look at when Chief voted for Glen. It is possible that he made his vote early enough that it could be disguised. With you and BrianD switching so late, he may have been unable to switch. Or felt a switch was too revealing. I was up 7-4 before the switch so it looks like I was almost a runaway lynch victim.

What am I missing?

[spleen1015]

Other than myself, Chief has the least amount of evidence in his favor. He voted for Glen when I was up 6-2 on Glen. He also defended a known zombie in post 1661.

[spleen1015]

BTW, I think Mr. Wednesday needs to be guarded tonight. He has one more snipe left.

Mr. W, I see you in the thread. Do you know if you can snipe 2 nights in a row? Your role description doesn't say you can't.

[spleen1015]

BTW, I think Mr. Wednesday needs to be guarded tonight. He has one more snipe left.

Mr. W, I see you in the thread. Do you know if you can snipe 2 nights in a row? Your role description doesn't say you can't.

Posted this before I thought about it. Don't answer this question. Damn it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Based on that other role not having come out by now, I think there is a good chance that the zombies got the other seer role with their conversion. Hoping that is not the case, but starting to expect it is the longer that we do not have that reveal.
:confused:

We got Umbrella seer info yesterday, via SnDvls (although he supposedly got in trouble with his team for it...)

As of today, they're not on our side, so we have no expectation of getting anything from them.

[Mr. Wednesday]

BTW, I think Mr. Wednesday needs to be guarded tonight. He has one more snipe left.

Mr. W, I see you in the thread. Do you know if you can snipe 2 nights in a row? Your role description doesn't say you can't.

It's a blessing and a curse, but there are three different players that the zombie(s) would like to off tonight: myself, hoops, and Fouts. Out of that bunch, I'm probably the safest from the rational, who's the most dangerous point of view: because I die if I miscarry, I need to feel pretty confident to take someone out. (There's the emotional, avenge path12's death side, too... but they still haven't avenged Glengoyne's death yet and that's primarily attributable to hoops...)

[SnDvls]

chubby

what is the order for night actions?

[hoopsguy]

:confused:

We got Umbrella seer info yesterday, via SnDvls (although he supposedly got in trouble with his team for it...)

As of today, they're not on our side, so we have no expectation of getting anything from them.

SnDvls, I still largely think that Fouts is the Umbrella spokesperson for the seer and that they did not scan SnDvls on Night 2 but instead scanned another target (Alan?). SnDvls chimes in on Alan, saying it comes from the Umbrella seer in order to enhance the story Fouts has presented.

If the theory that I'm outlining above is correct, then where is the IA person? I don't know, as I think that person should have incentive to reveal by now to help us ice this game.

The longer that Fouts is the only one revealing, the more I'm inclined to believe:
1. he is IA (most likely)
2. that IA was the Night 3 convert (possible statistically)
3. that the role is not in the game (seems unlikely)

[hoopsguy]

chubby

what is the order for night actions?

I'll ask a more specific one - what is the order for sniper attack vs Zombie attack? The answer obviously would have a lot to do with my guard decision tonight.

[SnDvls]

I'll ask a more specific one - what is the order for sniper attack vs Zombie attack? The answer obviously would have a lot to do with my guard decision tonight.

I was actually getting at zombie attack vs scan

I have a strong feeling there is a person on fouts list who was attacked either after his scan day (or he mixed up his dates on purpose) or was attacked and infected by path.

see the sniper would have to wait outside the victims house to snipe him as that would be the only known place that person would be...and was by the death scene.

so path was returning from his infection attack and that is when he got killed.

also we need to find path's brother timmy he's probally a zombie too. :D

[Chubby]

I'll ask a more specific one - what is the order for sniper attack vs Zombie attack? The answer obviously would have a lot to do with my guard decision tonight.

That's information that won't be revealed at this time :)

[Chubby]

I was actually getting at zombie attack vs scan

I have a strong feeling there is a person on fouts list who was attacked either after his scan day (or he mixed up his dates on purpose) or was attacked and infected by path.

see the sniper would have to wait outside the victims house to snipe him as that would be the only known place that person would be...and was by the death scene.

so path was returning from his infection attack and that is when he got killed.

also we need to find path's brother timmy he's probally a zombie too. :D


Well scan vs attack doesn't matter since either way the seer will find out that players info.

Scan vs conversion has already been talked about.

[hoopsguy]

Well, Path wasn't infecting anyone. That would have been Glen.

In terms of the people on his lists, if you believe me it doesn't make a difference what the order was for the STARS members.

LSG - I protected her Night 3. Nothing happened that night
Hoops - My vote against Glen (Infector) on Day 4 should be pretty compelling evidence that I was not converted.
SnDvls (confessed Umbrella) - are you suggesting that you were converted?

[spleen1015]

hoops, we were getting into a discussion about an hour ago. I added some more and I am interested to hear what you think.

[SnDvls]

Hoops - My vote against Glen (Infector) on Day 4 should be pretty compelling evidence that I was not converted.


how is it pretty compelling? we all saw Lathum throw barkeep under the bus in the tombstone game.

[hoopsguy]

SnDvls, you can process the information in whatever way makes sense for you. The vote was pretty set to be on Spleen instead of Glen prior to me asking Brian to move votes with me. But if you want to think I was manipulating the outcome to earn trust you can go with that theory. See where it logically leads, and we can argue about it if that is what you think is the best use of your time right now.

[hoopsguy]

Spleen, jumping back to Post #1976:

While I think DC is a fairly likely Zombie, I don't think we can eliminate her from the conversation around convert. The goal today is to get a Zombie, convert or otherwise. So while you were focused on getting the convert with your analysis, I'm focusing on getting a Zombie and don't care a whole heck of a lot if they are Day 1 Zombie or Day 4 Zombie.

Spleen - involved in runoff against Zombie Day 4, had at least two zombie votes on him (Glen, Path). Self-described "vanilla" STARS

LSG - not converted Night 3, per Hoopsguy. Self-described "vanilla" STARS

Fouts - provided "seer information" that helped capture Zombie on Day 4. Unlikely to be Zombie at this point in the game because of these actions. Self-described Internal Affairs. Alan and I both had suspicions of linkage to Umbrella Lathum on Day 2.

Chief Rum - voted for Spleen and stayed there. Ended with vote on Lathum on Day 2 although initially had cast it for Cronin. One of harder people to pin down at moment.

Hoops - part of late vote swing against Glen on Day 4. Voted for Umbrella Lathum on Day 2. Self-described bodyguard.

BrianD - last vote on Glen on Day 4. No strong feel for faction up to this point. Hard to make case for Zombie with key role in lynching Infector on Day 4.

SnDvls - self-described Umbrella.

MrW - self-described Sniper, no one has challenged his statements on killing Path last night. Unlikely Zombie.

Dodgerchick - last vote on Spleen on Day 4, did not answer when asked to move vote. No ties to anyone at this point in game. If there are two Zombies remaining I think it is pretty likely she is one.

[hoopsguy]

Order of suspicion (from most to least) - Dodgerchick, Spleen, LSG, Chief Rum

Not terribly suspicious of today (no particular order) - Fouts, SnDvls, MrW, BrianD

Certain about - me (duh)

[spleen1015]

Chief Rum - voted for Spleen and stayed there. Ended with vote on Lathum on Day 2 although initially had cast it for Cronin. One of harder people to pin down at moment.

Look at Alan's vote run down in post 1868. Chief voted for me, unvoted me, then voted for Glen.

[BrianD]

I'm still wondering if we were on a zombie vs zombie run last night. Spleen's actions did give up the infector, but that could have been very well planned. The infector wouldn't be able to infect again until Night 5 and with only 50% chance. The role has pretty much done its work and would be a good way for a zombie member to gain trust. Give up the infector and be the hero.

I'm not sure about this theory, but it has been bouncing around my head for a while. It also strikes me that Glen didn't realy put up that much of a fight. He made a token effort to argue against Spleen, but it really wasn't much...

[hoopsguy]

Brian, I've had the same thought. Although in that scenario I don't think it was as much a matter of gaining trust as both of them wanting to play their roles as if they were STARS - you have to argue that you are innocent when you are being lynched in a close vote, right? And whoever lost would come out smelling like a rose ... "thanks for making the right call and getting the Zombie! Boy that was close!"

[hoopsguy]

Lets see what happens with a vote here. As yesterday should certainly have proved, I would likely be willing to change votes if compelling information emerges.

VOTE SPLEEN

[Lorena]

Spleen, jumping back to Post #1976:

While I think DC is a fairly likely Zombie, I don't think we can eliminate her from the conversation around convert. The goal today is to get a Zombie, convert or otherwise. So while you were focused on getting the convert with your analysis, I'm focusing on getting a Zombie and don't care a whole heck of a lot if they are Day 1 Zombie or Day 4 Zombie.

Spleen - involved in runoff against Zombie Day 4, had at least two zombie votes on him (Glen, Path). Self-described "vanilla" STARS

LSG - not converted Night 3, per Hoopsguy. Self-described "vanilla" STARS

Fouts - provided "seer information" that helped capture Zombie on Day 4. Unlikely to be Zombie at this point in the game because of these actions. Self-described Internal Affairs. Alan and I both had suspicions of linkage to Umbrella Lathum on Day 2.

Chief Rum - voted for Spleen and stayed there. Ended with vote on Lathum on Day 2 although initially had cast it for Cronin. One of harder people to pin down at moment.

Hoops - part of late vote swing against Glen on Day 4. Voted for Umbrella Lathum on Day 2. Self-described bodyguard.

BrianD - last vote on Glen on Day 4. No strong feel for faction up to this point. Hard to make case for Zombie with key role in lynching Infector on Day 4.

SnDvls - self-described Umbrella.

MrW - self-described Sniper, no one has challenged his statements on killing Path last night. Unlikely Zombie.

Dodgerchick - last vote on Spleen on Day 4, did not answer when asked to move vote. No ties to anyone at this point in game. If there are two Zombies remaining I think it is pretty likely she is one.

So okay, based on your analysis, you believe I'm a zombie because I didn't switch when you asked me to?

Keep in mind that I've been behind with the reading and as the deadline grew closer, I glanced at the last few pages and felt a little bit of pressure to cast a vote, not knowing the backstory on each candidate and who had the most evidence against them. I honestly didn't see a case against Glen. Could I have missed something? Absolutely! It's not the first time it happened.

[spleen1015]

I'm not going to fight a lynch today. I don't have the time to do it tonight and there's not much a can do to prove that I am STARS. I'm unavailable after 7:30pm and probably won't return until after lynch. So, if you guys are going to get me, then so be it.

When I turn out to be STARS, just remember the things that I have been posting. I don't think I am wrong about Dodgerchick and Chief Rum.

You guys are worried about the wrong person.

[Lorena]

With that said, I need to pick up my kid, be back in a few. Hopefully I have time to continue reading but when both kids are home, I get easily distracted.