Werewolf XXXVIII: Jack The Ripper (GAME OVER! GOOD WINS ON DAY SEVEN)

[SnDvls]

vote bullet

random day one vote

OOC:I have an ASU basketball game tonight so I won't be on much more tonight

[st.cronin]

I really wish you wouldn't take what I say and then say I'm doing something else.

There are plenty of vocal people out there, and I'm not after any of them. Some of the most vocal people have made my somewhat trusted early list. Others have fallen onto the not early trusted list. The others are in the unknown list.

Who am I voting for? Someone super active? No someone who has been quiet after saying he would be around some during the day. The reason you are suspicious is because the way you felt and made it fairly obvious to me that you dont have the "normal" role that I have. Whether that role you have is good or bad, I'm not sure but it feels very obvious to me that you don't have a generic role at least.

I was willing to leave our discussion as it was with my giving my thoughts on why I felt you were suspicious so far today, and you giving a rebuttle.. but don't come and mischaracterize my suspicion on you. Its absolutely crazy to think I would be after lynching active players on day 1. To even suggest that just feels really off to me. If anyone, I should be known for day 1 going after the Under the radar folks, the newer players, the ones I know the least about. Now you are just making up things.

No, I'm not making things up, but I don't want to have this fight again, honey.

You characterized me as being at least somewhat suspicious. I said "huh?" You pointed to an instance of me thinking out loud, trying to generate some conversation. You know, the stuff I do every game, and end up on the hot seat every game.

For what it's worth, I don't think you, or any of the other active players like Barkeep, hoops, etc., are particularly suspicious yet. And I'm going to move out of my defensive mode now. I'm also going to keep my thoughts to myself for a while now.

[Fouts]

Interesting bandwagon voting there. I consider all 4 of you suspicious.

[st.cronin]

That bolded part is what I have problems with. It's not just certain roles that can get information, it's most every role as far as I can tell (at least for good).

If you believe that EVERY GOOD ROLE gets information on night 0, then you should vote for me. Your assumption will be proven wrong.

[Blade6119]

Interesting bandwagon voting there. I consider all 4 of you suspicious.
I hope you find me the most so, im still trying to figure out who will be my fight this game :p

[Alan T]

I hope you find me the most so, im still trying to figure out who will be my fight this game :p

I call day 3! :D

[Fouts]

I have information about Izulde telling me he is not who we want to lynch.

The 4 votes on Izulde have been notified. Do what you will.

[st.cronin]

Interesting bandwagon voting there. I consider all 4 of you suspicious.

Oh, if only the four of us could be wolves together. That would be fun. Based on your other post:

unvote Izulde
vote ntndeacon

[st.cronin]

dola correction

unvote Izulde
vote ntndeacon

[Fouts]

Oh, if only the four of us could be wolves together. That would be fun. Based on your other post:

unvote Izulde
vote ntndeacon

I'm not saying all 4 are wolves, but good chance 1 of you are.

[path12]

It gets tiring being seen as suspicious for the same reasons game after game, is all. Making my thought process public is just something I'm going to have to learn not to do.

cronin, I didn't find you suspicious for making your thought process public, I found you suspicious because I saw some discrepancies with what I know to be true. I did say that it was just slightly better than a random reason, but I'm not on any big push to get you lynched. I just needed you to clarify your thoughts.

That said, I'm not going to switch just for the sake of switching. I don't really have a better reason to go on right now, but I would most likely switch if there was a swing your way that looked like it would get to 1/3.

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE IZULDE

VOTE BARKEEP

Back to where i was

[Alan T]

I have information about Izulde telling me he is not who we want to lynch.

The 4 votes on Izulde have been notified. Do what you will.

Fair enough. Like I said, I'm playing hunches and trying to minimalize damage of being wrong on day 1.

Unvote Izulde
Vote Jonathan E.

I'll go option #2 for me then. He and Schmidty both have been as quiet as Izulde, and JE is newer.

JE has made 2 posts this game: "In" and "Checking In."

He was a bit more involved in the discussion last game and impressed me a good bit as a new player last game.

[st.cronin]

I'll hitch my horse to the Alan T train, for good or ill -

unvote ntndeacon
vote Jonathan Ezrarik

[Mr. Wednesday]

Because I think there are multiple prostitutes, and multiple people who visit prostitutes. I am certain there are 2-5 people just like me in this game.

If you put our exchange in context, you were objecting to someone saying that night 0 gave certain roles a jump on everyone else. My observation is that there's no reason "average joe" (or, in this case, "average John" ;)) shouldn't be one of those "certain roles" that gets a jump.

[bulletsponge]

my head hurts so many changes. i for one did nothing last night and have no information to add to this witch hunt

[Blade6119]

We need 1/3, so im prob. going to follow Alan onto JE, though JE is here now

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Fair enough. Like I said, I'm playing hunches and trying to minimalize damage of being wrong on day 1.

Unvote Izulde
Vote Jonathan E.

I'll go option #2 for me then. He and Schmidty both have been as quiet as Izulde, and JE is newer.

JE has made 2 posts this game: "In" and "Checking In."

He was a bit more involved in the discussion last game and impressed me a good bit as a new player last game.

I haven't been around all afternoon, true. I had some work I had to get done before I could get back online. In the last game I had some idea who was good (you) so it was a bit easier to get into the flow of things. This game I have no idea. I know I'm good, but that's it.

I'm still trying to figure out who to lynch tonight, but I think we have to lynch someone. My original instinct was to go after Barkeep, but I would like to keep him around. Part of me wants to go after ntndeacon because of last game (:) ) and part of me wants to lynch st.cronin because he keeps jumping all over the place. I'm going to wait and think this over dinner before I vote.

[st.cronin]

Following players have not voted yet, afaict:

DaddyTorgo
Schmidty
saldana
Lathum
Jonathon
BrianD
LoneStarGirl
RaidersArmy
Izulde

[Fouts]

Deadline in 50 minutes. Bunch of people need to get a vote in.

[Tyrith]

Yeah, Fouts, okay, we'll see how it goes. I'll vote for another quiet person that's taking some votes.

UNVOTE IZULDE
VOTE NTN

[bulletsponge]

unvote Fouts

vote BrianD

i will vote for someone whom hasnt posted yet. its as good as any

[path12]

unvote Fouts

vote BrianD

i will vote for someone whom hasnt posted yet. its as good as any

For the record, Brian was here earlier today.

[saldana]

two things:

i am relatively certain hoopsguy is a townsperson

i have nothing definitive as far as information, but i am very suspicious of alan t

vote alan t

[st.cronin]

I believe the votes are:

Jonathan 2 st.cronin, AlanT
Barkeep 2 Blade, Mr. W
Fouts 2 bulletsponge, Swaggs
hoops 1 Barkeep
ntn 1 Tyrith
st.cronin 1 path12
bulletsponge 1 SnDvls
saldana 1 dubb
Swaggs 1 hoops
path12 1 Dodgerchick
dubb 1 ntndeacon




3 way tie right now. How many are needed for lynch? 8?

[st.cronin]

Jonathan 2 st.cronin, AlanT
Barkeep 2 Blade, Mr. W
Fouts 1 Swaggs
BrianD 1 bulletsponge
hoops 1 Barkeep
ntn 1 Tyrith
st.cronin 1 path12
bulletsponge 1 SnDvls
saldana 1 dubb
Swaggs 1 hoops
path12 1 Dodgerchick
dubb 1 ntndeacon
AlanT 1 saldana

[path12]

Gonna be tough to get 8 tonight with that spread.

[Raiders Army]

Well, that was a long read...At this point I don't know who to suspect. I was leaning towards Barkeep initially, but I like to keep games separate in my mind and it's pretty easy since I haven't played a game in a while.

Now, I would normally vote for a quiet person but there are two problems with that:

1. I would be a hypocrite (although I did say I would be out most of the day and I got caught in some bad traffic when I gave one of my contractors a ride home :mad:).
2. It wouldn't make a difference in the lynch vote.

Because of reason #2, I'm going to cast a vote for Barkeep. This is primarily because of the suspicion previously and because (more so) I feel bad about going after Blade in a previous game. :)

VOTE BARKEEP

[Schmidty]

I'll be bold and break the 3 way tie:

Vote Jonathan Ezrarik


If anyone can give me a good reason to not vote for him, I'll change my vote.

As far as people sighting me as being inactive today, I'll respond by saying - When am I not inactive in the first few days?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Have to vote for someone.


Vote ntndeacon

[Schmidty]

Oops.

Vote Jonathan Ezrarik

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Hey, if you're going to vote for me, at least spell my name right. :)

[Lathum]

vote barkeep

seems hoops may be onto something. if nothing else it will give us some info down the road

[Barkeep49]

Yes 8.

[Barkeep49]

Umm when you say hoops is on to something what do you mean Lathum? Hoops voted for Swaggs even after I voted for him.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Schmidty,

I wish I could give you a good reason not to vote for me. Unfortunately, I don't have anything information to save myself. You'll just have to take my word that I'm good. Or as good as can be in this world. I know my word isn't worth anything, but that's all I've got.

[Raiders Army]

A lot of action in the past few minutes...after thinking about it for a sec, I'm changing my vote to see what happens now:

UNVOTE BARKEEP
VOTE JONATHAN EZARIK

[path12]

I certainly do not understand in the least why we would vote off a player of Barkeep's ability day 1 without any real reason besides the typical day 1 hunch. We wouldn't do that to hoops or Blade. Well, OK, maybe Blade.... ;-)

He will not be getting my vote.

[st.cronin]

looks like it'll be a wild finish

Barkeep 3 Blade, Mr. W, Raiders
Jonathan 3 st.cronin, AlanT, Schmidty
ntn 2 Tyrith, Jonathan
Fouts 1 Swaggs
BrianD 1 bulletsponge
hoops 1 Barkeep
st.cronin 1 path12
bulletsponge 1 SnDvls
saldana 1 dubb
Swaggs 1 hoops
path12 1 Dodgerchick
dubb 1 ntndeacon
AlanT 1 saldana

[Lorena]

So 20 minutes til deadline and it seems we're headed towards a no-lynch. I hate that.

unvote path12

Vote Jonathan E.

[Lorena]

BrianD, DaddyTorgo, Izulde, and LSG haven't voted.

For the record, DaddyTorgo had some work stuff and LSG said she didn't have internet access at home.

[Blade6119]

well, we need 1/3 so...

UNVOTE BARKEEP

VOTE JONATHAN E.

By the way, thanks raiders :)

And boooo path ;)

Both of your comments garnered comments back lol

[Blade6119]

So 20 minutes til deadline and it seems we're headed towards a no-lynch. I hate that.

We have 6 on JE, need 2 more

[Jonathan Ezarik]

BrianD, DaddyTorgo, Izulde, and LSG haven't voted.

And yet people gladly took their votes off Izulde just because Fouts said so. Interesting.

It looks like I'm the one to go, and that's cool. I'm all for a lynch tonight, and while I hoped it wouldn't be me, so be it. I hope you guys learn something from this because you're about to lose one good guy.

[Raiders Army]

At this point, let's get it on. I'm sorry if JE's a good guy but sometimes you have to break some eggs to make an omlette.

[Blade6119]

And yet people gladly took their votes off Izulde just because Fouts said so. Interesting.

It looks like I'm the one to go, and that's cool. I'm all for a lynch tonight, and while I hoped it wouldn't be me, so be it. I hope you guys learn something from this because you're about to lose one good guy.

Are you a special role? It sure doesnt sound like it, but now would be a good time to speak up. If your not, dont lie..it will only hurt the team in the long run

[saldana]

well, we all know what i think of 'no lynch situations'

unvote alan
vote Jonathan E


note: i still dont like alan, but i like days with no lynches even less

[Raiders Army]

Izulde was last on at 1:26, so I'm not sure if that means anything.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I understand, RA. I just find it odd that people are so quick to believe Fouts for no reason.

On that note:

UNVOTE ntndeacon

VOTE Izulde

[Raiders Army]

Ummmm...3:26 PM EST, 1:26 my time.

[BrianD]

I have no real reason to suspect JE, but I guess we need a lynch to learn from.

Vote Jonathan Ezarik

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Are you a special role? It sure doesnt sound like it, but now would be a good time to speak up. If your not, dont lie..it will only hurt the team in the long run

I'm the Artful Dodger. I work for Fagin but have no idea who he is. I gather intelligence for him, but I'm good.

[Lorena]

And yet people gladly took their votes off Izulde just because Fouts said so. Interesting.

It looks like I'm the one to go, and that's cool. I'm all for a lynch tonight, and while I hoped it wouldn't be me, so be it. I hope you guys learn something from this because you're about to lose one good guy.

I feel a little bad voting for you because I feel you're one of the better players but if Izulde had the same number of votes, I'd probably vote for him.

If Izulde ends dying sometime at some point during the game and turns out to be evil, I'll be looking in a different direction.

[path12]

I understand, RA. I just find it odd that people are so quick to believe Fouts for no reason.

A vouch can be verified later, and isn't worth risking a lynch on day 1. I think it's something like that rather than full faith in what Fouts says.

[Barkeep49]

Sweet. We've back into killing a bad guy ally. An acceptable D1 result.

[path12]

I've gotta go. Hope we get something.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Sweet. We've back into killing a bad guy ally. An acceptable D1 result.

How so? I do Fagin's dirty work, but I'm good. At least I could be used to figure out who he is.

[Fouts]

I understand, RA. I just find it odd that people are so quick to believe Fouts for no reason.

On that note:

UNVOTE ntndeacon

VOTE Izulde

I think you need to build trust. Not just show up when things go bad. If Izulde and I were both bad guys, I surely wouldn't vouch for him.

[st.cronin]

It would be a very strange wolf play to do what Fouts has done, basically vouching for a player who was on the block.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I think you need to build trust. Not just show up when things go bad. If Izulde and I were both bad guys, I surely wouldn't vouch for him.

Kind of hard to build trust in your second game and you get lynched on the first day.

[BrianD]

It would be a very strange wolf play to do what Fouts has done, basically vouching for a player who was on the block.

I must have missed this in my quick read, who did Fouts vouch for?

[saldana]

I'm the Artful Dodger. I work for Fagin but have no idea who he is. I gather intelligence for him, but I'm good.

i have a hard time with this reveal....the list of roles is rather huge, and says not all of the roles may appear in the game, so what you are asking us to believe is that you have role that wasnt even listed....imo, you had to come up with something that no one else could possibly have, so you pulled a Dickens character out of no where to claim, sort of lathum's pony express rider move.

[Barkeep49]

How so? I do Fagin's dirty work, but I'm good. At least I could be used to figure out who he is.
You help Fagin. Fagin is a bad guy. Ergo, whether you yourself are good or bad you do the work of those who wish to harm us.

[Fouts]

Kind of hard to build trust in your second game and you get lynched on the first day.

I meant in the game, not over a series of games. I started building trust with my posts this morning. Once the time came, I gave my (semi-trusted) opinion on somebody who was on the block.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

i have a hard time with this reveal....the list of roles is rather huge, and says not all of the roles may appear in the game, so what you are asking us to believe is that you have role that wasnt even listed....imo, you had to come up with something that no one else could possibly have, so you pulled a Dickens character out of no where to claim, sort of lathum's pony express rider move.

Well, the Fagin character is listed. But I guess you'll find out shortly when I'm lynched that I was telling the truth.

[Blade6119]

Kind of hard to build trust in your second game and you get lynched on the first day.

You know what i always like to do? Wait 3 games until he forgets it ever happened, then go out of my way to get him killed early and laugh it off...ahh, good times, eh lathum? ;)

[Jonathan Ezarik]

You help Fagin. Fagin is a bad guy. Ergo, whether you yourself are good or bad you do the work of those who wish to harm us.

By gathering intelligence? I can also be used to help the good guys since I know who Fagin's going after.

[Chief Rum]

Time check

[Fouts]

Well, the Fagin character is listed. But I guess you'll find out shortly when I'm lynched that I was telling the truth.

FWIW, I believe you. Unfortunately, the mob needs to be fed. :(

[st.cronin]

I must have missed this in my quick read, who did Fouts vouch for?

There was a run of votes on Izulde, and Fouts came out and claimed he was a villager.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Sweet. We've back into killing a bad guy ally. An acceptable D1 result.
Re-read the roles -- Fagin is bad, but the urchins are good.

[Fouts]

Time check

Not even close.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I meant in the game, not over a series of games. I started building trust with my posts this morning. Once the time came, I gave my (semi-trusted) opinion on somebody who was on the block.

Gotcha. But this is how I play. I'm pretty quiet and if this is going to be a problem I'm always going to be lynched early. I don't have anyone to vouch for so how can I build trust?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

FWIW, I believe you. Unfortunately, the mob needs to be fed. :(

I understand completely. I'm all for a lynch tonight, just wish it wasn't me. :(

[Mr. Wednesday]

You just have to accept that in most games, somebody's going to get unjustly lynched early. Today, it's you.

[Fouts]

Gotcha. But this is how I play. I'm pretty quiet and if this is going to be a problem I'm always going to be lynched early. I don't have anyone to vouch for so how can I build trust?

Reveal some of who you are. Something that is helpful to the villagers, but not too helpful. If you seem too helpful, you are a night kill. While I rarely get lynched, I die at night all the time.

[Raiders Army]

The role is so outrageous it sounds real enough...who knows at this point.

[Chief Rum]

Final check

[Tyrith]

Gotcha. But this is how I play. I'm pretty quiet and if this is going to be a problem I'm always going to be lynched early. I don't have anyone to vouch for so how can I build trust?

Usually the vote progression goes like this:

d1: someone who hasn't voted
d2-d4: random loud people who will complain, or people that make a tiny tiny slip
d5: actual trust based gameplay

This is a horrible generalization, of course, not including stuff like witnesses and the like, but there usually isn't a big rush to crush people that are semi-talkative early.

[bulletsponge]

i feel sorry for ya Jon. this is my first game ive played with ya and it looks like it will be very short.

[Chief Rum]

The deadline is here. Voting is closed.

[Tyrith]

This day 1 has been kinda weird. I don't know why people kept voting for JE over Izulde at the end....

[Tyrith]

WTF, I'm stupid, I forgot about fouts. WHATEVER. I HATE WW :P

[Mr. Wednesday]

i have a hard time with this reveal....the list of roles is rather huge, and says not all of the roles may appear in the game, so what you are asking us to believe is that you have role that wasnt even listed....imo, you had to come up with something that no one else could possibly have, so you pulled a Dickens character out of no where to claim, sort of lathum's pony express rider move.

Well... I don't think it's necessarily that ridiculous. The Artful Dodger was one of the urchins, and I'd presume his function is as such, maybe more skilled as a pickpocket than usual. It's not made up out of whole cloth like Lathum's reveal.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Reveal some of who you are. Something that is helpful to the villagers, but not too helpful. If you seem too helpful, you are a night kill. While I rarely get lynched, I die at night all the time.

Do a reveal when I'm not on the line? I revealed when I was asked, but no one cared. Oh, well. No big deal. Good luck to the good guys.

[Blade6119]

Well... I don't think it's necessarily that ridiculous. The Artful Dodger was one of the urchins, and I'd presume his function is as such, maybe more skilled as a pickpocket than usual. It's not made up out of whole cloth like Lathum's reveal.

I believe his reveal, though i think its a role we can lose as im not sure how helpful to good it will be. I believe it though

[Blade6119]

JE, sorry you had to go early...i promise next game i will do everything in my power to ensure you last awhile longer

[saldana]

JE, sorry you had to go early...i promise next game i will do everything in my power to ensure you last awhile longer

nice...you never help me last more than 2 days :D :mad:

[Jonathan Ezarik]

No hard feelings, guys and gals. I should have come on earlier today and said that I was busy with work and wouldn't be able to really get involved until later. Live and learn, eh?

[st.cronin]

I believe his reveal, though i think its a role we can lose as im not sure how helpful to good it will be. I believe it though

ditto

[Blade6119]

nice...you never help me last more than 2 days :D :mad:

but i dont like you, so why would i?

[Blade6119]

:) joking sal, much love

[saldana]

but i dont like you, so why would i?

i find your lack of smiley disturbing


is it too late to change my vote?

[BrianD]

No hard feelings, guys and gals. I should have come on earlier today and said that I was busy with work and wouldn't be able to really get involved until later. Live and learn, eh?

If it is any consolation, people don't normally get first-day lynched twice in a row. The next game you play should come with a sympathy no-vote for at least the first day.

[Lorena]

No hard feelings, guys and gals. I should have come on earlier today and said that I was busy with work and wouldn't be able to really get involved until later. Live and learn, eh?

I certainly hope you sign up for more games in future, it is unfortunate it ended this way :(

[Raiders Army]

I'm not sure it's over yet. Did he have enough votes? This play for sympathy could be strategy for tomorrow.

[saldana]

i think CR is writing "a tale of two cities" :)

[Blade6119]

8 on the dime i believe RA

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I certainly hope you sign up for more games in future, it is unfortunate it ended this way :(

Oh, I'm in for the next game. And I'll be so freakin' vocal that you all will lynch me just to shut me up. :D

[Chief Rum]

Results finalized. Writeup coming in a couple minutes.

[Blade6119]

Oh, I'm in for the next game. And I'll be so freakin' vocal that you all will lynch me just to shut me up. :D

Trust me, they actually do that...:(

[Fouts]

Do a reveal when I'm not on the line? I revealed when I was asked, but no one cared. Oh, well. No big deal. Good luck to the good guys.

Not a full reveal, just give some info on who you are. The other option is to say alot without saying anything (see blade's posts ;) ).

[Raiders Army]

Fo sho

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Results finalized. Writeup coming in a couple minutes.

I feel like a guy on death row waiting for the governor ("guvnor"?) to call.

[Lorena]

Oh man, I just looked at who voted for Izulde and how the Jonathan voted came about. I told myself I wouldn't follow Alan's lead and gosh darnit, I did... he was the first person to vote for Jon.

I feel a little dirty. I need to take a bath now.... ugh.

[Lorena]

Oh, I'm in for the next game. And I'll be so freakin' vocal that you all will lynch me just to shut me up. :D

I'm glad to hear that Jon. Once you come to the dark side, there's no going back http://www.gottadeal.com/forums/images/smilies/evil.gif

[Fouts]

Oh man, I just looked at who voted for Izulde and how the Jonathan voted came about. I told myself I wouldn't follow Alan's lead and gosh darnit, I did... he was the first person to vote for Jon.

I feel a little dirty. I need to take a bath now.... ugh.

Alan is well-known for leading people astray.

[Chief Rum]

It's always dangerous in Whitechapel, but the peril went on high after mob rule took over today.

Ringleaders and followers alike scanned those familiar faces, friends and foes, for that demonic killer responsible for last night's atrocity. Fingers are pointed and tempers flare--but no one seems to agree on anything.

Izulde attracts attention for a time. So does Barkeep. The crowd wavers from one end to the other as the sun draws close to setting and a final decision.

A late swerve of public opinion finally settles on Jonathon Ezarik. Faster than a torch in kerosene, a fire runs through the crowd, as they search for the notably quiet Jonathon.

Finally, a constable finds him huddled in a corner of an alley, hiding behind a discarded ale barrell. The constable drags him out into the open by his ear, his small frame kicking and screaming in pain.

The smallish waif can't be more than ten--and even a mob's high color can be cooled by the sight of a child, even a dirty one. Jonathon starts to cry as some of the more cold-hearted prepare the noose.

But the crowd is wavering still, and cries for mercy and good sense fill the air. "He is but a boy!" "He cannot have been strong enough to do what happened last night!"

Even the hardest hearts must eventually agree. Jonathon Ezarik is but an orphan, and urchin. He could not have done this. But they know he cannot remain in Whitechapel.

The constable escorts Jonathon aka The Artful Dodger to an orphanage outside of the district, never to return to Whitechapel. Jonathon Ezarik is not dead--but he is out of the game.

The crowd grumbles at choosing so young a target, and wanders away, swearing to do better tomorrow. Some eye the wandering clouds in the twilight sky, and surmise there could be rain tonight.

DAY ONE ENDS. NIGHT ONE BEGINS. NIGHT ACTIONS ARE DUE BY 7 A.M. EST/4 A.M. PDT

[LoneStarGirl]

Oh man guys. I am SO sorry I missed the vote. We just got Comcast set up about 30 minutes ago and i jumped on cuz i thought maybe the deadline wasn't until 9 central. silly me. It wont happen again, I promise. Starting tomorrow I am going to be talkative as hell... Well as talkative as I usually am.

[Izulde]

I forgot that classtime would take me past the voting period and before that I had to read Measure for Measure for class.

I'll be more active tomorrow. :)

Sucks that we got a good guy on Day One though. :(

[Lorena]

Yeah, not just a good guy, a poor defenseless orphan.

[Tyrith]

This is throughly annoying.

[Chief Rum]

I am heading to my other job, but my Inbox is near full.

If you get a bounce back, please email me at my work email (Post #3) or at [email protected] and include your FOFC name with your PM.

I will be back around 10 p.m. PDT.

[st.cronin]

Well it's a better outcome than lynching a seer or bodyguard.

[hoopsguy]

Love that there actually were some "hidden" roles in the game. Bummed that we didn't get a hit early. But JE was not one of the players I had information on at this stage in the game. And we also learned that Fagin is almost certainly in the game.

Now that night actions are upon us - I know the identities of three whores in this game. Fouts, feel like sharing which district you were in last night with your hookup? It might help lend further credibility to your story about paying out some cash ...

I'm ambivalent about asking for protection tonight. All in all, I think there are a few people who trust me and a bunch more who have assumed I have a certain role in this game - since no one has come out and said what that role is I won't bother trying to confirm or deny. I do believe that there are likely more critical people around than me to try and keep around. Selfishly, it is a lot of fun playing the game when people tend to trust you so I would like to see this extended for a couple of more days.

[DaddyTorgo]

back from work!

[Fouts]

Now that night actions are upon us - I know the identities of three whores in this game. Fouts, feel like sharing which district you were in last night with your hookup? It might help lend further credibility to your story about paying out some cash ...


Whitechapel Road.

I never said Izulde was a whore.

[BrianD]

Love that there actually were some "hidden" roles in the game. Bummed that we didn't get a hit early. But JE was not one of the players I had information on at this stage in the game. And we also learned that Fagin is almost certainly in the game.

Now that night actions are upon us - I know the identities of three whores in this game. Fouts, feel like sharing which district you were in last night with your hookup? It might help lend further credibility to your story about paying out some cash ...

I'm ambivalent about asking for protection tonight. All in all, I think there are a few people who trust me and a bunch more who have assumed I have a certain role in this game - since no one has come out and said what that role is I won't bother trying to confirm or deny. I do believe that there are likely more critical people around than me to try and keep around. Selfishly, it is a lot of fun playing the game when people tend to trust you so I would like to see this extended for a couple of more days.

Are you asking who he visited or where the visit took place? We can't be giving up the prostitutes.

[LoneStarGirl]

Can somebody explain to me exactly what the fog means? And when will we learn about the weather?

[DaddyTorgo]

aaargh. i had forgotten/overlooked that the night-deadline in this game is 9pm EST. That's pretty killer on me, because anytime i have to work an afternoon-shift I don't even close the doors of the store till 9. But as a compromise...I will be able to come on for a half-hour in the mid-afternoon during my dinner-break and will be able to vote then if someone will be around to like...give me a quick synopsis.

[Fouts]

Can somebody explain to me exactly what the fog means? And when will we learn about the weather?

I think it means a lower chance at seeing other people out and about. Luckily, I did my actions on Night 0.

[Fouts]

Whitechapel Road.

I never said Izulde was a whore.

FWIW, I have information on 2 people, one of which was Izulde. The information on Izulde told me that it was unlikely he was a bad guy.

[LoneStarGirl]

how do you already have information fouts?

[Raiders Army]

I would guess that he already has info based on Night zero.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well i am trying to be talkative but nobody will join me. Can't blame a girl for trying i guess.

[st.cronin]

I think a lot of us are waiting to see how the night shakes out, LSG.

[Raiders Army]

Fouts' play was interesting. Either the bad guys are making a bold move or (more likely) Fouts is legit and Izulde is most likely legit. Does anyone see any other possibilities?

[Blade6119]

What would you like to discuss LSG, im happy to go through whatever you would like to go through

[Blade6119]

Fouts' play was interesting. Either the bad guys are making a bold move or (more likely) Fouts is legit and Izulde is most likely legit. Does anyone see any other possibilities?

Whoever in their group is the hooker got visited by the other, and the other person could be evil. So 1 could be good, and just wrong about who can visit for some fun

[st.cronin]

Fouts' play was interesting. Either the bad guys are making a bold move or (more likely) Fouts is legit and Izulde is most likely legit. Does anyone see any other possibilities?

Fouts and Izulde could be freemasons, which means god knows what.

[Blade6119]

I hadnt thought of that cronin...thats a very interesting possibility for why he already has 2...

[Lorena]

Fouts and Izulde could be freemasons, which means god knows what.

Or one of them could be a prostitute and the other just looking for a good time. But is it possible that bad guys can visit whores?

[Blade6119]

Or one of them could be a prostitute and the other just looking for a good time. But is it possible that bad guys can visit whores?

thats a big question we have, and wont know until one is killed and we find out whores were trying to clear him/her

[dubb93]

Not really sure if that was a good result or bad? The writeup made it sound like he was a good guy, but he came out and said he was working for Fagan.

[dubb93]

And I got some more catching up to do, I just skimmed about 4 pages. I'll post more in a little bit. I'm about to dig into the thread better than I just did.

[Lorena]

Players List
9. Jonathon Ezarik-- The Artful Dodger, an urchin and on the side of good, removed to an orphanage on Day One


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[Blade6119]

I think his working for fagin is being highly over-rated. He was an urchin, and had abilites that went with that. I think fagin is related since he ran the urchins.

[Raiders Army]

Fouts and Izulde could be freemasons, which means god knows what.

Good point as well. Although it still stands to reason that regardless if they're baddies or if they're freemasons, it's a pretty bold move to have Fouts link himself to Izulde. I tend to think that it makes Fouts at least not bad and Izulde most likely not bad.

[Lorena]

FWIW

Prostitutes sell their wares with a wink and a smile, while unbeknownst to you, the orphans pinch your wallet. London police don't go there, and the night watchman is in for a dangerous, short-lived job. Thousands of immigrants--from as far as India and China to as close as the farmland outside of London main--huddled in poverty here, struggling with each other in a Darwinian fashion just for that extra shilling.

[Lorena]

I don't think you can blame an orphan for working for someone that is evil. Orphans are probably just trying to find a quick buck and will get whatever they can wherever they can.

I don't think his working for Fagin means he was totally bad, just a poor desperate soul.

[Blade6119]

FWIW

DC, while i understand what your trying to say, he was on the side of good and therefore must have been able to help good. He may have been able to help bad as well, but his alignment makes it certain he could help

[Blade6119]

Urchins: Orphans aplenty roam the streets of Whitechapel. They have their uses--they are particularly sneaky and get their ears around all sorts of things--but be careful, that waif may have just stolen your wallet.

I took it to mean they were maybe witnessess, or possibly turnacoats..people who were in touch with the criminal underworld, but still good

[st.cronin]

Good point as well. Although it still stands to reason that regardless if they're baddies or if they're freemasons, it's a pretty bold move to have Fouts link himself to Izulde. I tend to think that it makes Fouts at least not bad and Izulde most likely not bad.

That's how I see it, as well.

[Fouts]

I took it to mean they were maybe witnessess, or possibly turnacoats..people who were in touch with the criminal underworld, but still good

I agree with you here. Urchins have their uses, I would bet.

[Alan T]

Just checking in before bed to see how the lynch ended. I'll be on in the morning briefly before I leave the hotel for work. I have a dinner appointment with Cisco vendors tommorrow night, so no telling when I will be in. I'll try to find a way to connect while at work at least long enough to see how the day is going and put out a vote.


Oh man, I just looked at who voted for Izulde and how the Jonathan voted came about. I told myself I wouldn't follow Alan's lead and gosh darnit, I did... he was the first person to vote for Jon.

I feel a little dirty. I need to take a bath now.... ugh.

Alan is well-known for leading people astray.

You know. I didn't put a gun to your heads and say vote for this guy. If I'm such a horrible person to follow, then stop voting for the people I do. Whatever its worth, the last two games I played and used this strategy on day 1, we got 2 bad guys. (Saldana and Scoobz). Its sheer luck usually on day1 usually, and I very clearly stated why I was voting for who I did.

I'm not sorry about my vote, and am relieved it wasn't an important role for us. I'm pretty sure there are other orphans in the game, and yes the good guys can make use of them as well as the bad apparently.

All of the sobbing and lamenting over Jonathan's death drives me crazy too. Hate to say it.. but its WW.. -someone- has to die at some point. If people didn't have to leave the game, we would call this Picnic 14: Jack the Ripper invites Strawberry Shortcake over for dinner and tea. It stinks when it happens to you, but its not personal and is just part of a game.

Anyways, rant over. I'll be back in the morning.

[Lorena]

Just checking in before bed to see how the lynch ended. I'll be on in the morning briefly before I leave the hotel for work. I have a dinner appointment with Cisco vendors tommorrow night, so no telling when I will be in. I'll try to find a way to connect while at work at least long enough to see how the day is going and put out a vote.






You know. I didn't put a gun to your heads and say vote for this guy. If I'm such a horrible person to follow, then stop voting for the people I do. Whatever its worth, the last two games I played and used this strategy on day 1, we got 2 bad guys. (Saldana and Scoobz). Its sheer luck usually on day1 usually, and I very clearly stated why I was voting for who I did.

I'm not sorry about my vote, and am relieved it wasn't an important role for us. I'm pretty sure there are other orphans in the game, and yes the good guys can make use of them as well as the bad apparently.

All of the sobbing and lamenting over Jonathan's death drives me crazy too. Hate to say it.. but its WW.. -someone- has to die at some point. If people didn't have to leave the game, we would call this Picnic 14: Jack the Ripper invites Strawberry Shortcake over for dinner and tea. It stinks when it happens to you, but its not personal and is just part of a game.

Anyways, rant over. I'll be back in the morning.

Sheesh, someone needs to hire a hooker soon. :eek:

[Lorena]

BTW, that was a joke Alan, don't get all worked up, k ;)

[Blade6119]

Sheesh, someone needs to hire a hooker soon. :eek:
DC, are you trying to dictate his night actions now? :eek: :eek:

Im really bored now, you all suck for not keeping me entertained all night

[Raiders Army]

Sheesh, someone needs to hire a hooker soon. :eek:

On the heels of the rant, I implore you to discern the difference between a whore and a prostitute. While a whore can be a prostitute, all prostitutes aren't whores.

Here's a diagram:

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/9525/wwsn1.jpg

[BrianD]

All of the sobbing and lamenting over Jonathan's death drives me crazy too. Hate to say it.. but its WW.. -someone- has to die at some point. If people didn't have to leave the game, we would call this Picnic 14: Jack the Ripper invites Strawberry Shortcake over for dinner and tea. It stinks when it happens to you, but its not personal and is just part of a game.


That seems a bit much. Jonathan is a new player so people are sympathizing with his early death and suggesting he come back for the next game. Sorry if we don't want to let a quick death discourage someone.

[Lorena]

Whoops, let me take that back. For in-game purposes, that should have read prostitute, not hooker.

I knew plenty of whores in high school, so yeah, there is a difference.

[hoopsguy]

Fouts, was not asking at all about Izulde's allegiance - but was expecting a certain district for your answer and it wasn't the one I expected. Which leads me to believe that if you are telling the truth that there are a whole bunch of ladies of the night in this game.

[Swaggs]

just finished reading up... A few good clues out there, in my opinion.

[Schmidty]

The urchins kick major ass.

[Swaggs]

The urchins kick major ass.

You are just trying to convince yourself that there is a role in this game that will be as good as the one you had in the Lord of the Rings game. No chance, bearman.

[st.cronin]

After the Lord of the Rings game, Schmidty is no longer allowed to use the Schmidty Ploy.

[Fouts]

Fouts, was not asking at all about Izulde's allegiance - but was expecting a certain district for your answer and it wasn't the one I expected. Which leads me to believe that if you are telling the truth that there are a whole bunch of ladies of the night in this game.

Outside of the named roles, I believe there to be multiple versions of each type of villager.

[Blade6119]

I know I probably have one of the most simple basic roles in the game, and still I know that I have a way to get information at nights if I choose to do it. I chose to not pursue that option and instead spent some money in a different manner. The fact I as an "ordinary villager" type role has the ability to get information, that tells me that you aren't an ordinary villager. This alone doesn't make you bad, but it makes me wonder what you are exactly.

This part of one of Alan's bigger post is one of the most intriguing posts all day for various reasons..anyone else notice it?

[st.cronin]

This part of one of Alan's bigger post is one of the most intriguing posts all day for various reasons..anyone else notice it?

I noticed it but was pretty mystified as to what he meant.

[dubb93]

I noticed it but was pretty mystified as to what he meant.

Well I'll help you out. He is talking about the opium den, where in an opium induced slumber you have a chance of having visions that can help you out. I have that option as well in my role. It is a night action, where you can choose to visit the opium den.

[Blade6119]

good dubb, you just moved up my trust list

[st.cronin]

Well, this game is more complicated than I suspected. Then the opium dealer is probably in play? Anybody have any idea what he does? Maybe gets information on the player who visits?

[Swaggs]

Well I'll help you out. He is talking about the opium den, where in an opium induced slumber you have a chance of having visions that can help you out. I have that option as well in my role. It is a night action, where you can choose to visit the opium den.

Ditto.

[Swaggs]

Well, this game is more complicated than I suspected. Then the opium dealer is probably in play? Anybody have any idea what he does? Maybe gets information on the player who visits?

I would say that all of us who have the option to visit the opium dealer know exactly what could result from it... and no one should say what that is or give a whole lot of info on it just yet.

[ntndeacon]

I would say that all of us who have the option to visit the opium dealer know exactly what could result from it... and no one should say what that is or give a whole lot of info on it just yet.

I agree. There will be atime where this info, and well, all info is very useful. but I don't think right now is that time either.

[Fouts]

Sweet. I was right about multiple versions of my "role". Gonna be tough on the bad guys.

[Blade6119]

I agree. There will be atime where this info, and well, all info is very useful. but I don't think right now is that time either.
NTN, im sorry if you take this wrongly, but your comment feels very much like a latch on. Swaggs is only a little more trusted then you becuase of earlier comments. I tend to trust only the first person who reveals it, as with all this info flying around the bad guys are desperate to latch onto something. Your posts seems like such an attempt.

The same applies for those who agreed with fouts on his 5 shillings comment.

[Blade6119]

And ill dola to add that i expect quite a few kills quite soon...chief said before the game there would be mechanisms in place to speed up the game. Therefore, i expect 2 kills a night to not be all that rare.

[Lorena]

I'm at a loss as to when it's a good idea to reveal certain information and what dubb said kinda threw me for a loop. I mean exactly how much do we reveal?

I guess it's to one's own discretion.

*shrug*

[ntndeacon]

NTN, im sorry if you take this wrongly, but your comment feels very much like a latch on. Swaggs is only a little more trusted then you becuase of earlier comments. I tend to trust only the first person who reveals it, as with all this info flying around the bad guys are desperate to latch onto something. Your posts seems like such an attempt.

The same applies for those who agreed with fouts on his 5 shillings comment.

I do realize this Blade, but that doesn't mean I should not show my agreement with a point. I am still trying to digest all that happened in the last 7 hours.

[Blade6119]

I do realize this Blade, but that doesn't mean I should not show my agreement with a point. I am still trying to digest all that happened in the last 7 hours.
You should do whatever you think is wise..im just stating a fact that right now you are my top suspect becuase of your action

[ntndeacon]

I have a question to throw out there. this Fagin...(not really read Oliver Twist) do you think that he is like the evil one's seer?
I am also wondering whether the Artful Dodger is a role or a job given out among the Orphans. If so we may see that role again.

[path12]

nice...you never help me last more than 2 days :D :mad:

That 37 dead villagers and counting tagline might have something to do with that...... :p

[dubb93]

I'm at a loss as to when it's a good idea to reveal certain information and what dubb said kinda threw me for a loop. I mean exactly how much do we reveal?

I guess it's to one's own discretion.

*shrug*

Information helps the good guys more than the bad guys. That is the way I've always played it. The more the group knows, the better it is for the good guys. I really don't think I said anything truely ground breaking.

[Chief Rum]

Sheesh, you guys are good at filling up my Inbox.

Umm, if any of you make sly comments about that sentence, I will have Jack toss you in a human blender. :D

I am clearing it out now, and will respond to PMs both here and in my emails shortly.

[Blade6119]

Information helps the good guys more than the bad guys. That is the way I've always played it. The more the group knows, the better it is for the good guys. I really don't think I said anything truely ground breaking.

I agree, but only if its well timed. Maybe im confusing DC...i think information is great, if shared at a time where it does more harm to evil then good. While all this info today is great, its day one and it helped them just as much as us. By sharing this info we have made they list of targets at night shorter. Now, granted, they might worry about killing other bad players, but if i were them i would be quite satisfied with the info out there right now.

[ntndeacon]

Blade, I am not one who likes to give up info willingly. Swaggs comment said basically that he did not want info leaked unneccesarily. Of Course I am going to agree with that. besides I said more than just be quiet about the Opium den. I said it wasn't time to share MOST of the info.

[Chief Rum]

GAME NOTE: So you are all are aware, the PM I could not send earlier to Izulde was his initial PM. You should not read into that as meaning he has a big or small role (he could have either or something in the middle). It means nothing--everyone got an initial PM.

Just to snap that in the bud.

[Blade6119]

Blade, I am not one who likes to give up info willingly. Swaggs comment said basically that he did not want info leaked unneccesarily. Of Course I am going to agree with that. besides I said more than just be quiet about the Opium den. I said it wasn't time to share MOST of the info.

I agree with this, and im saying pretty much the same thing in other posts...im just telling you what i felt about your post

[ntndeacon]

well if nothing else Blade, you got me to elucidate more clearly what iwas trying to say too. I still claim that what idid was not just latching on to what Swaggs said.

[Lorena]

I agree, but only if its well timed. Maybe im confusing DC...i think information is great, if shared at a time where it does more harm to evil then good. While all this info today is great, its day one and it helped them just as much as us. By sharing this info we have made they list of targets at night shorter. Now, granted, they might worry about killing other bad players, but if i were them i would be quite satisfied with the info out there right now.

Yeah, it's confusing at times. I guess the more I play, the more I'll get a feel for what information should be leaked and whatnot.

[Blade6119]

NTN, to be fair, being my top suspect on day 1 means nothing...i fully expect by the end of the night, when we find out who died and did what, i will have 20 more top suspects

[path12]

Did anyone try their day action?

[Blade6119]

Yeah, it's confusing at times. I guess the more I play, the more I'll get a feel for what information should be leaked and whatnot.

Playing as a bad guy more will help that as well..basically, ask yourself to think hard. Most positives of revealing are easy to see, but the negatives take thought. For all the trust fouts or dubb gained from me today, they also allowed the bad guys to cross players off their potential seer/bodyguard list...so its a double edged sword. Its tricky balancing giving info and playing close to your vest, but thats why its such a fun game. This is basically a big game of poker, and we all have our cards dealt to us. Now its all a matter of figuring out whos bluffing, how much you should hint at the pocket aces you were dealt, or how long you should hold onto the 2s in hopes of drawing out the guy bluffing for other players to take down.

Ok, now i just confused myself...:p

[ntndeacon]

lol Blade. I imagine you are right. I know Ihave a couple of slim threads to pull at in the next couple of days.

I am wondering about Fagin though since it seems likely he is in the game. I am wondering if he kills and if so how. Although he was evil, was he ever considered a murderer? Bill Sikes was but idon't think Fagin was. I realize that probably doesn't help a whole lot and may be completely without merit. My first thoughts is that his killing might be a last resort type of thing if he can at all.

[Lorena]

Playing as a bad guy more will help that as well..basically, ask yourself to think hard. Most positives of revealing are easy to see, but the negatives take thought. For all the trust fouts or dubb gained from me today, they also allowed the bad guys to cross players off their potential seer/bodyguard list...so its a double edged sword. Its tricky balancing giving info and playing close to your vest, but thats why its such a fun game. This is basically a big game of poker, and we all have our cards dealt to us. Now its all a matter of figuring out whos bluffing, how much you should hint at the pocket aces you were dealt, or how long you should hold onto the 2s in hopes of drawing out the guy bluffing for other players to take down.

Ok, now i just confused myself...:p

Yeah, unfortunately for me, I've been bad once... even then it wasn't a true "wolf" role since I couldn't kill anyone.

Nah, your explanation makes sense.

[path12]

lol Blade. I imagine you are right. I know Ihave a couple of slim threads to pull at in the next couple of days.

I am wondering about Fagin though since it seems likely he is in the game. I am wondering if he kills and if so how. Although he was evil, was he ever considered a murderer? Bill Sikes was but idon't think Fagin was. I realize that probably doesn't help a whole lot and may be completely without merit. My first thoughts is that his killing might be a last resort type of thing if he can at all.

Wasn't there something in the rules about stealing? I wonder if that's what Fagin can do rather than kill.

[DaddyTorgo]

quiet so far. and i hafta confess...i don't really have a good read on anything. hopefully later here on weds. i'll be able to get a handle on what's going on!

[ntndeacon]

Wasn't there something in the rules about stealing? I wonder if that's what Fagin can do rather than kill.

Yes Ithink it said something about the urchins stealling wallets. it does make it look possible that Fagin is a dark seer.

[path12]

quiet so far. and i hafta confess...i don't really have a good read on anything. hopefully later here on weds. i'll be able to get a handle on what's going on!

Hmmmm. I thought we got much more out of today than the usual day 1.

[Lorena]

Hmmmm. I thought we got much more out of today than the usual day 1.

Yeah, me too. My spreadsheet is so nice and colorful from all the info I gathered :)

[path12]

Yeah, me too. My spreadsheet is so nice and colorful from all the info I gathered :)

Spreadsheets? Ah, it's always touching to see another one of us go over the edge.....(I need to transfer my notepad info into mine!) :D

[Lorena]

Spreadsheets? Ah, it's always touching to see another one of us go over the edge.....(I need to transfer my notepad info into mine!) :D

Yeah, it's mostly for votes though. There's no way I can go through some sort of document to find what I need, so creating filters in my spreadsheet facilitates narrowing down who voted for who.

[dubb93]

Spreadsheets? Ah, it's always touching to see another one of us go over the edge.....(I need to transfer my notepad info into mine!) :D

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that has never used notepad and/or a spreadsheet to help myself out in these games. I'm old school, I do things by memory and on the fly.

[ntndeacon]

does using a notepad count. :) i have used one of those when Iwas at home in games before...course that seems pretty neaderthalish now. :D

[path12]

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that has never used notepad and/or a spreadsheet to help myself out in these games. I'm old school, I do things by memory and on the fly.

I used to also but I'm old and kept forgetting things, especially after a 7 page in one hour burst. Plus sometimes I'm stoned.

[Lorena]

Did someone say stoned? Yeah... I want some of that

http://www.friendsofcannabis.com/photos/cheechstoned.jpg

[Chief Rum]

If anyone is around, my inbox is pretty well whitewashed now. Should be plenty of room.

You can always use my emails as a backup, though, if it gets full again. I will be cleaning it out every night.

[Fouts]

Playing as a bad guy more will help that as well..basically, ask yourself to think hard. Most positives of revealing are easy to see, but the negatives take thought. For all the trust fouts or dubb gained from me today, they also allowed the bad guys to cross players off their potential seer/bodyguard list...so its a double edged sword. Its tricky balancing giving info and playing close to your vest, but thats why its such a fun game. This is basically a big game of poker, and we all have our cards dealt to us. Now its all a matter of figuring out whos bluffing, how much you should hint at the pocket aces you were dealt, or how long you should hold onto the 2s in hopes of drawing out the guy bluffing for other players to take down.

Ok, now i just confused myself...:p

I don't mind putting myself out there to give the seers another night to scan people. Hopefully, they know what they are doing.

[Chief Rum]

Chief has foolishly stayed up too late. Night phase extended a half hour to 7:30 A.M. EST/4:30 A.M. PDT so he can sleep. Apologies.

[saldana]

Well I'll help you out. He is talking about the opium den, where in an opium induced slumber you have a chance of having visions that can help you out. I have that option as well in my role. It is a night action, where you can choose to visit the opium den.

i wont say "oh me too, me too", as that would be an obvious latch on, so i guess i will just have to take comfort in the fact that you, blade, hoops and I all appear to be on the same team

[hoopsguy]

Going to be interesting to see where the bad guys go with their kills tonight if that list of good guys is accurate, Saldana.

[saldana]

dola, i am off to work, i'll be back on between noon and 1 eastern during my lunch hour.

[Chief Rum]

Deadline. Writeups & PMs coming.

[Chief Rum]

The clouds were but a false read yesterday as the night wore on. It would be largely clear, with the moon shining bright.

When the sun rises a few hours later, it will reveal a deadly night in Whitechapel.

On Whitechapel Road, BrianD lies dead in an alley, apparently beaten to death. He has no money, so it appears he was robbed. He is but a common Londoner.

Just a block away along Whitechapel Road is a gruesome sight even worse than the one the townsfolk saw the night before. Not far from the back exit of the Opium Den, bloodied body parts are strewn about and the walls are splashed red. It takes some time to find the head--or what's his left of it. Fouts was killed last night, as well, in a most brutal fashion. Another Londoner bought it here.

The horror was just truly sinking in when a cry came out from the Commercial Road section. A crowd is gathered at the entrance to a flat with a door that appears to have been torn down. The worst sight is yet to come. It appears that Tyrith has met his end in his own home! His body is ripped and torn, covered with scratches, and there is blood everywhere. It is clear he was sleeping when he was attacked.

Tyrith was a Londoner, too.

The mob is off to a hot start now. They have lost three good townsfolk, and they're looking for blood!

DAY TWO BEGINS. THE DEADLINE IS 10 P.M. EST/7 P.M. PDT, WHICH WILL BE THE REGULAR TIME MOST NIGHTS IN THIS GAME GOING FORWARD.

[Lathum]

yikes

[Chief Rum]

PMs going out now

[Lorena]

Hmm... I read Fouts wrong, I thought he was a prostitute.

[hoopsguy]

Hmm... I read Fouts wrong, I thought he was a prostitute.

I hope Raiders Army is pleased with your word choice this time ...

Reference diagram in Post #399

[Raiders Army]

Pleased with word choice, concerned that three Londoners are gone.

[Raiders Army]

I'll check back in at lunch time with some thoughts.

[Alan T]

I had Fouts and BrianD both in the same role as me, so it isn't too much of a suprise to see I was right on them. I guess the only good thing is that the bad guys spent time killing common villagers last night. It seemed pretty obvious at least two of the three were common, so I wonder why they would have spent time killing them instead of looking for more powerful roles?

Is this a sign that they can't communicate with each other, and went for a safe kill rather than killing another sure bad guy? I guess I am a little puzzled by the killchoices last night.

I also am hoping Chief is still sending out PMs since I never got one from last night. I decided to try out the Opium Den, so I'm really curious if I happened to see anything to do with Fouts' death. I was definitly in the nearby area.

Oh and since no one else answered Path's question from last night (I was asleep when it was asked), I tried to use mine yesterday. I doubt its anything significant though and rather a waste of money. I figured better to spend all my money than keep it only to be robbed later.

Going to go shower and get ready to head to work. Will check back in to see if I learned anything last night real quick before I go for the day.

[Barkeep49]

See I think the diagram should look more Venn like. As one could be a whore without being a prostitute.

[Lathum]

I would imagine the 3 factions that killed last night can't communicate with each other, I also imagine they are 1 time kills or something like one every 3 nights and they decided not to wait on them on the off chance they get lynched. Allthough we lost 3 londoners I think it was the best possible scenerio since we didn't seem to lose any powerfull roles.

I think there is likely a link between Jonathan and BrianD's killer since BrianD was robbed.

As for my vote yesterday I was exausted having drove from PA to Ohio the day before then getting up early and working all day when I read the thread and not really paying attention so I got a little crossed up but didn't want to be a non voter.

[Barkeep49]

So people go to the opium den in the hopes of gaining information. Why do people go to prostitutes? Are there any other vices lurking around? Gambling perhaps?

[BrianD]

Well that is sad. I think it may be the first time I've been a night 1 target. Oh well, enjoy all.

[bulletsponge]

holy crap 3 dead!

So people go to the opium den in the hopes of gaining information. Why do people go to prostitutes? Are there any other vices lurking around? Gambling perhaps?

so you can find out who, a prostitute is. for a circle of trust to form

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, are you without vices in this game?

[bulletsponge]

still waiting for my night action PM

[bulletsponge]

BTW can we stop calling the whores "whores", i think "Horizontal refreshments" are more appropirate

[hoopsguy]

Also, I'm bummed to see that Tyrith was killed last night as he was one of the people I had seen on Night 0. So my personal circle of trust shrank as a result of last night's kills.

Good to see that the streetwalkers all made it through unscathed, since they are directly related to a victory condition for one of the bad guys.

I would echo the thought that the bad guys probably can not work together. We know how Jack gets a minor victory, but we don't know what the victory conditions are for Fagin and Hyde/Werewolf (guesses as to other bad guys). But they probably do not include killing prostitutes. So targeting someone who is likely to be a plain villager, while not reducing the ranks of "evil" was probably an OK play for those two.

[bulletsponge]

OK i just found out i got lucky (for 5 shillings). and i now have a circle of trust formed with 2 other people.

also all the people killed last night were Londoners, no "Horizontal refeshments", does this mean Jack didnt attack?

[Swaggs]

It sounds, by the description given, like Jekyl/Hyde got Fouts.

Perhaps the werewolf got Tyrith?

I wonder if JTR might need to identify the prositutes before killing them, as it doesn't sound like he got anyone last night.

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, are you without vices in this game?
I don't think anyone is innocent in this game, so no I have my own foibles though a vice? Well I'm certainly not into opium if that's what you're asking.

[Barkeep49]

I think the werewolf got Tyrith as well.

[Chief Rum]

All PMS are now sent.

[Tyrith]

I be dead :(

[Blade6119]

Well, i told you all to expect multiple kills at night...but of course, there are balances in place. We just need to hope our balances came through last night.

Anyone see anything?

[Blade6119]

Oh, and ntn, just so you know your no longer my top suspect. Like i expected the deaths last night raised my eyebrows in other directions

[Blade6119]

I don't think anyone is innocent in this game, so no I have my own foibles though a vice? Well I'm certainly not into opium if that's what you're asking.

So what vices do you have? Is robbery, turning into a warewolf or monster, and killing people one of them?

Thats half joke half serious...

[Blade6119]

I would imagine the 3 factions that killed last night can't communicate with each other, I also imagine they are 1 time kills or something like one every 3 nights and they decided not to wait on them on the off chance they get lynched. Allthough we lost 3 londoners I think it was the best possible scenerio since we didn't seem to lose any powerfull roles.

I think there is likely a link between Jonathan and BrianD's killer since BrianD was robbed.

As for my vote yesterday I was exausted having drove from PA to Ohio the day before then getting up early and working all day when I read the thread and not really paying attention so I got a little crossed up but didn't want to be a non voter.
Jonathan was not killed, merely sent away from town to an orphanage..so im totally lost as to what link you see. If your trying to say fagin ordered the urchins to kill brian and rob him, i find it likely. What that has to do with jonathans sending away im not sure, other then jonathan worked for fagin.

[Blade6119]

still waiting for my night action PM

What exactly did you do last night?...

[Blade6119]

for the quintuplet dola, i have classes for the next 4-5 hours, and have to write a paper when i get home...so count on me either not being too active or only being active later in the day.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I came upon the end of the attack on Fouts. Unfortunately, I did not recognize his killer, but I'm quite certain it was not Blade, st.cronin, nor ntndeacon as they responded to my call for help.

The only thing I think that this definitively determines is that none of the three is Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde.

[Izulde]

Blade, who all suspects do you have out of curiosity?

[Blade6119]

So targeting someone who is likely to be a plain villager, while not reducing the ranks of "evil" was probably an OK play for those two.

I think thats a key...they dont know who their allies are, and are afraid if they attack players who arent cleared they will kill another bad guy...thats the vibe i got from last nights selections in kills.

I have a small circle of trust now, and hopefully i can keep it alive long enough to make something of it down the road.

[hoopsguy]

If we have any information about what district the kills took place in that would be terrific. I saw a number of people (four that I can identify) there who left - I don't know if that implies that they live in Cavell and went elsewhere or that they visited Cavell last night and returned home.

[Mr. Wednesday]

hoops, re-read the writeup, Chief specified all three. The first two were Whitechapel, the last Commercial.

[hoopsguy]

I came upon the end of the attack on Fouts. Unfortunately, I did not recognize his killer, but I'm quite certain it was not Blade, st.cronin, nor ntndeacon as they responded to my call for help.

The only thing I think that this definitively determines is that none of the three is Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde.

1. Do you know for sure it was Hyde?
2. What district did this take place?

[hoopsguy]

MrW, based on your list of people who responded I can safely assume that the four people I saw left Cavell to head to other districts. So if we do want to pursue identifying who lives where I can identify myself and four others. And probably go process of elimination on a couple of others as well.

[Blade6119]

Blade, who all suspects do you have out of curiosity?

I have a day action as well..i can bribe an urchin to spy on a sector one tiem a game. It cost me all of my gold, but i figured night 1 was a good time to expect quite a few kills. I did, and sent him to commerical. He told me about the WW who killed tyrith in his sleep, and told me the only other player in the area was barkeep. So i think you can imagine who my suspect is today. From the urchin i know he was in commercial last night, i know the WW killed tyrith in commerical last night, and the PM said barkeep was the only other player there. So i take that to mean he killed tyrith.

I should have sent him to white-chapel with the 2 kills since it was a one time gig, but i figured the bad guys would avoid the most populous street. I got lucky with one though. Now i have no gold, and i make it back at only 2 gold a day so it will be 5 days until i can hire another spy. But i figured it better i say this now then die with this knowledge

[Alan T]

So people go to the opium den in the hopes of gaining information. Why do people go to prostitutes? Are there any other vices lurking around? Gambling perhaps?

What I meant was I was hoping to learn something about Fouts' death since I was there at the opium den when he died nearby last night.

Evidentally at the time Fouts was killed, I was having drug induced dreams about the best baseball team of all time. I can only assume from my PM that I was so in awe at the utter display of baseball talent and some of the finest pitching that human kind has ever seen.

Back to serious game stuff... to follow up on my reply to Path from pre-PM.. I did try to use my daytime ability but ended up finding out that it didn't end up happening for me. So no luck here.

I also will note that I was robbed last night. While away someone broke in and stole the very few Shillings that I had. I'm guessing whoever the robber was, they ended up pretty dissapointed at their poor target :)

Well, anyways I don't have anything great and useful today to bring to the table. I'm going to try to keep up with the thread as best as possible, but I am utterly swamped at work. I have vendors in today, going out for dinner with vendors tonight. I might be in the thread at times today, but likely will just be trying to keep up and very little time for posting.

For now I'll throw out a vote just in case I get so swamped later that I can't get back.

Vote DaddyTorgo

His being utterly confused about certain things last night puts him in a similar category with a few others. I don't know if it makes him good or bad, but i think it significantly reduces the amount of good people he could be.

I'm not sold on this vote so can move it if something breaks today. It was a tossup for me between Bulletsponge and DaddyTorgo though. For the record, I also put St.Cronin in the same category as type of role, but he's been participating a bit more with thoughts so I'm not as eager to try to lynch him this morning.

[Mr. Wednesday]

hoops, see #488 immediately above.

I don't know for sure that it was Hyde, but it was a huge man who tore Fouts apart, so I think it's the logical conclusion.

[Blade6119]

And it was a one time gig in being able to spy on a sector...i have 1 more time in 5 days in which i can follow a person. Then im out of day actions.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Blade, do you have any idea of when your urchin saw Barkeep relative to Tyrith's slaying?

[Blade6119]

Back to serious game stuff... to follow up on my reply to Path from pre-PM.. I did try to use my daytime ability but ended up finding out that it didn't end up happening for me. So no luck here.

Sorry, i had to place an offer of 10 shillings for my action to be successful. Tomorrow you may feel free to offer again, as i wont be able to

[st.cronin]

vote Barkeep

Based on trusting Blade. What a strange game, eh?

[Blade6119]

Blade, do you have any idea of when your urchin saw Barkeep relative to Tyrith's slaying?

He made no mention of time in the PM, or about Barkeep actions or intentions. Only that he was there.

He did say the WW entered the district, implying somebody left another district to go to commercial and kill tyrith. He never said barkeep came or left, or that he was there the whole time. Only that barkeep was the only other person in commercial.

[Alan T]

I have a day action as well..i can bribe an urchin to spy on a sector one tiem a game. It cost me all of my gold, but i figured night 1 was a good time to expect quite a few kills. I did, and sent him to commerical. He told me about the WW who killed tyrith in his sleep, and told me the only other player in the area was barkeep. So i think you can imagine who my suspect is today. From the urchin i know he was in commercial last night, i know the WW killed tyrith in commerical last night, and the PM said barkeep was the only other player there. So i take that to mean he killed tyrith.

I should have sent him to white-chapel with the 2 kills since it was a one time gig, but i figured the bad guys would avoid the most populous street. I got lucky with one though. Now i have no gold, and i make it back at only 2 gold a day so it will be 5 days until i can hire another spy. But i figured it better i say this now then die with this knowledge

Its taking me alot of time to respond to stuff, so sorry if I'm really delayed. I start writing a post, then get sidetracked with work stuff for 10-30 min then come back to finish it. Was going to say your story makes alot of sense to me.. to follow up on what I said earlier.. path hinted at a day ability, and I said in response that I tried mine.. then later find out it failed. Just to go a little further without giving too much away, the day ability I have also involves using urchins.. however if they are preoccupied by someone who gives them alot of money (more than I give), then they can't carry through with my task. It sounds like you were the one that trumped my day time order and thus didn't allow mine to go through.

[Barkeep49]

Blade -- I think you have bad info. I can tell you, with 100% certainty, that there was someone else in commercial district last night.

I am not a werewolf or any other kind of bad man.