WW IL - Do Werewolves Dream of Electric Sheep? Game Over, page 36

[path12]

Well, I have to leave soon and don't know that I'll be back by deadline. Don't like my choices, but don't want to throw away the vote either. Maybe this will tell us something around deadline.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

[Barkeep49]

Did BS say if he'd be back before deadline? If so presumably DT is in the lead.

[st.cronin]

I have it tied, BK. You, me, and Telle voting for bullet, and JE, Swaggs, and path voting for DT.

[LoneStarGirl]

Render, you have been really proactive this game. Trying to show off for your lady? ;)

[Passacaglia]

Well, everyone has clarified their oddities a little except AE and DT. Since DT has more votes, I'll go with AE.

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

[Swaggs]

Well, everyone has clarified their oddities a little except AE and DT. Since DT has more votes, I'll go with AE.

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

I don't really think AE is an android and I'm not sure he should be on the block today.

I think it would be a good idea, for the folks with the ability, to check both he and I out tonight. I think it is possible that one of us is a replicant without knowing it.

[Chief Rum]

One thing that just occured to me is this cuts the other way too. Suppose you're ardent, and you're a wolf. Are you going to come right out and say what's in your pm? I'm thinking no, not unless somebody else does first. I actually think its equally likely that Swaggs is a wolf.

Thanks, I read two pages of posts wondering when this would occur to anyone. Didn't get the "good vibe" on Swaggs at all. Not to say a get a bad vibe, but there just seemed to be a lot of easy leaps to allegiance there, which is REALLY strange on Day One.

Still reading through the thread...

BTW, my dream seemed sorta oddball. I lost a paper mache contest to Attila the Hun, and Gary Player was the judge. Yeah, you all know that's the truth because I couldn't make that crap up. :)

[st.cronin]

I think it is possible that one of us is a replicant without knowing it.

I don't understand how this would work, given that the rules say the replicant's can communicate with each other.

[Chief Rum]

I doubt he's a wolf, but it's a better shot than anyone else has given us, IMO.

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

I would sit and hang out, but I am off to the second job soon. See you all tonight.

[Barkeep49]

Thanks, I read two pages of posts wondering when this would occur to anyone. Didn't get the "good vibe" on Swaggs at all. Not to say a get a bad vibe, but there just seemed to be a lot of easy leaps to allegiance there, which is REALLY strange on Day One.

Still reading through the thread...

BTW, my dream seemed sorta oddball. I lost a paper mache contest to Attila the Hun, and Gary Player was the judge. Yeah, you all know that's the truth because I couldn't make that crap up. :)
I think it's interesting that two of us have reached the same conclusion (Swaggs is more likely wolf than AE) from two different perspectives. I would strongly be willing to do a Swaggs vote tomorrow if Bullet bites it tonight.

[Alan T]

So I see the vote currently as:

4 - bulletsponge - Barkeep49 (219), st.cronin (225), Telle (246), chief rum (259)
3 - DaddyTorgo - Jonathan Ezarik (134), Swaggs (161), Path (251)
2 - ntndeacon - Lathum (193), RendeR (211)
2 - ardent enthusiast - KWhit (154), Passacaglia (255)
1 - RendeR - LoneStarGirl (183)
1 - Passacaglia - bulletsponge (151)
1 - Lathum - ntndeacon (172)
1 - KWhit - twothree (194)

not voted:

1. Alan T
13. DaddyTorgo
18. ardent enthusiast

I assume if DT comes back before deadline he'll vote Bulletsponge to keep himself safer, and if I go elsewhere, then its a pretty decisive vote margin.. If I vote DT to keep things close, right now it would be a tie if DT doesn't come back.. Do we know what happens in the case of a tie?

I know I am about to open a can of worms here, but in this case where we don't really learn anything from the lynch.. could it be said that a tie here isn't a bad thing?

[Alan T]

Tangle, I see you in the thread.. what happens in the case of a tie?

[RendeR]

Render, you have been really proactive this game. Trying to show off for your lady? ;)


Nope, just trying to be loud and obnoxious as always =)

[Swaggs]

I don't understand how this would work, given that the rules say the replicant's can communicate with each other.

It may be a stretch, I don't know.

I just know that, in the movie, Sean Young's character didn't know she was a replicant, but I think she figured out that she had some memories from one of the programmer's daughters or something.

My PM, after giving me the details of my dream, clearly told me that I am a human. So, if I am a replicant, it would be news to me. But, it is odd that two of us have the same memory.

[tanglewood]

Day 1 Votecount

bulletsponge - 4 Barkeep49, st.cronin, Telle, Chief Rum
DaddyTorgo - 4 Jonathan Ezarik, Swaggs, path12, AlanT
ardent enthusiast - 2 KWhit, Passacaglia
ntndeacon - 2 Lathum, RendeR
Passacaglia - 1 bulletsponge
Lathum - 1 ntndeacon
KWhit - 1 twothree
RendeR - 1 LoneStarGirl

Yet to vote: DaddyTorgo, ardent enthusiast

15 minutes to deadline.

[Swaggs]

I think it's interesting that two of us have reached the same conclusion (Swaggs is more likely wolf than AE) from two different perspectives. I would strongly be willing to do a Swaggs vote tomorrow if Bullet bites it tonight.

What does Bullet have to do with me?

I can understand not trusting me or AE. I agree that the similar dreams sounds suspicious, which is why I brought it up. But you putting a contingency of focussing on me if Bullet dies tonight is odd and seems very leading to me.

[Barkeep49]

I figure that there are two possibilities about a person not knowing they were a replicant:
1. It's a conversion possibility
2. They count towards the victory total though the replicants don't know that

If it's the second case I would guess there would be perhaps only two players who know they're wolves. This would also balance nicely against the handicap faced by no death reveal.

[tanglewood]

Tangle, I see you in the thread.. what happens in the case of a tie?

There is a game mechanic to decide ties. It is not related to any player role.

[Barkeep49]

What does Bullet have to do with me?

I can understand not trusting me or AE. I agree that the similar dreams sounds suspicious, which is why I brought it up. But you putting a contingency of focussing on me if Bullet dies tonight is odd and seems very leading to me.
Bullet has nothing to do with you. I just vote for people who say they're wolves before starting down a more deductive path.

[Alan T]

Ok, this may be unpopular, and may get me votes tommorrow, but thinking this through.. I am going to tie it up...

We have not one but two guys with some kind of seer ability, we get zero feedback about anyone we lynch.. so maybe extending the game a bit by trying to create no lynch here will help the good guys out. I have no idea what a tie does in this game, but will play with the assumption it could end in a no lynch. I know this is a hot spot with many people.. so I'll accept any punishment people wish to dish on me..

Vote Daddytorgo

[path12]

Interesting that bullet's vote is still on Pass. I'd have figured he'd have tied it up by now.

[st.cronin]

Alan, tangle just posted that there is a tiebreaker. So there will be a lynch.

[Swaggs]

Bullet has nothing to do with you. I just vote for people who say they're wolves before starting down a more deductive path.

Why did you seem to commit to voting for me tomorrow if Bullet dies tonight?

If he doesn't die tonight, are we both clear?

If he does die tonight, does that add any evidence to a case against me?

Not trying to pick here, but I don't see why him dying tonight has anything to do with me, at all. To me, it seems like you are planting a seed here that, if Bullet is killed tonight, we should look at Swaggs.

[Barkeep49]

Why did you seem to commit to voting for me tomorrow if Bullet dies tonight?

If he doesn't die tonight, are we both clear?

If he does die tonight, does that add any evidence to a case against me?

Not trying to pick here, but I don't see why him dying tonight has anything to do with me, at all. To me, it seems like you are planting a seed here that, if Bullet is killed tonight, we should look at Swaggs.
If he doesn't die today I will likely vote for him again tomorrow. And keep on that course until there appears to be a better way. He's my first choice, you're 1A

[st.cronin]

Swaggs, I took BK to mean that he was committed to a lynch of bullet for today, and that tomorrow, barring new information, he was inclined to vote for you. If I've misunderstood him, he can correct me, but that's what I thought he was saying.

[Barkeep49]

Ok, this may be unpopular, and may get me votes tommorrow, but thinking this through.. I am going to tie it up...

We have not one but two guys with some kind of seer ability, we get zero feedback about anyone we lynch.. so maybe extending the game a bit by trying to create no lynch here will help the good guys out. I have no idea what a tie does in this game, but will play with the assumption it could end in a no lynch. I know this is a hot spot with many people.. so I'll accept any punishment people wish to dish on me..

Vote Daddytorgo
I like the fact that you voted your conscience even if I don't quite understandw hy.

[bulletsponge]

unvote Pass
vote Daddytorgo

this isnt the vote of a wolf, its the vote of a rat who wants to live

[st.cronin]

Gah, looks like two players are going to miss the vote.

[RendeR]

I dislike rats, you can take your chances with DT:


UNVOTE NTNDEACON

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

[RendeR]

TICK TOCK

[path12]

Interesting.

[Barkeep49]

unvote Pass
vote Daddytorgo

this isnt the vote of a wolf, its the vote of a rat who wants to live
Can you explain your actions? It would be helpful if you could post your dream as well.

[Barkeep49]

I dislike rats, you can take your chances with DT:


UNVOTE NTNDEACON

VOTE BULLETSPONGE
I don't like this vote at all.

[RendeR]

Can you explain your actions? It would be helpful if you could post your dream as well.


Don't mean to state the obvious here, but he was trying to save his own skin, what more motivation does he need BK?:D

[tanglewood]

Voting closed.

[st.cronin]

Tied at the deadline.

[path12]

Tie, right?

[Swaggs]

Well played first day for us, I suspect.

I think this vote could be very telling in a couple of days.

[RendeR]

I don't like this vote at all.


Its not popular but its just simply this:

Its day 1, we know nothing, we're all grasping at straws here trying to see faces in the shadows.

I have an honorable streak in me, I hate it, but its there. BS took the rats way out, he tried to save his own but by sacrificing someone else. I dislike using others for personal gain, thus I tied the vote back up.

[tanglewood]

Day 1 Final Vote Tally

bulletsponge - 5 Barkeep49, st.cronin, Telle, Chief Rum, RendeR
DaddyTorgo - 5 Jonathan Ezarik, Swaggs, path12, AlanT, bulletsponge
ardent enthusiast - 2 KWhit, Passacaglia
ntndeacon - 1 Lathum
Lathum - 1 ntndeacon
KWhit - 1 twothree
RendeR - 1 LoneStarGirl

Did not vote: DaddyTorgo, ardent enthusiast

[st.cronin]

My guess is DT is off to Mars. He's on quite the roll for early exits.

[Telle]

I think it's interesting that two of us have reached the same conclusion (Swaggs is more likely wolf than AE) from two different perspectives. I would strongly be willing to do a Swaggs vote tomorrow if Bullet bites it tonight.

What made you change your mind about DT? Why isn't he on your short list?

[Barkeep49]

Don't mean to state the obvious here, but he was trying to save his own skin, what more motivation does he need BK?:D
I got his vote. It's your vote I don't like or particularly understand.

[bulletsponge]

am i dead?

[path12]

I have an honorable streak in me, I hate it, but its there. BS took the rats way out, he tried to save his own but by sacrificing someone else. I dislike using others for personal gain, thus I tied the vote back up.

So if it had been you in bullet's spot, you wouldn't have changed your vote to save yourself? Really?

[Barkeep49]

What made you change your mind about DT? Why isn't he on your short list?
Well if we knew the results of BS I would more likely be willing to go after DT. I just refuse to believe that two wolves slipped up. It's happened before, but... So since we don't find out if BS is a wolf or not, I'm going to assume he is and so I will not condemn DT for the same reason as BS. I would certainly be willing to look at him, however. I just like Swaggs better at this point. However, as I think about it Render's late vote to condemn BS, and save DT, when we have a tie mechanism in place is quite fishy and suggests that perhaps DT was bad after all. I hate not finding out if we were right or wrong.

[path12]

am i dead?

You're tied with DT. And it's dinner time. Back in awhile.

[tanglewood]

The votes are taken and after much argument, DaddyTorgo is chosen to voluenteer for Mars duty. Everyone wishes him well as he leaves for the shuttleport, though they know the fate that awaits him. If he is a Replicant he is doomed to his slave-like existence in terrible conditions for until the inevitable expiration. If he is human, then the same.

Night actions are due in before 10am EST.

[Barkeep49]

Its not popular but its just simply this:

Its day 1, we know nothing, we're all grasping at straws here trying to see faces in the shadows.

I have an honorable streak in me, I hate it, but its there. BS took the rats way out, he tried to save his own but by sacrificing someone else. I dislike using others for personal gain, thus I tied the vote back up.
Wait a second. Let's say he's a villager. Why in the world should he be willing to sacrifice himself instead of someone else, who might or might not be a villager? When you're a villager the almost always best way to help the villagers win is to prevent yourself from being lynched. We don't want villagers to die and so a villager should always try and help a known villager. And you're always a known villager to yourself. I hope that makes sense.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Did DaddyTorgo post anything after he announced that he was human? Did he give some kind of defense that I missed as I read through the posts?

[RendeR]

So if it had been you in bullet's spot, you wouldn't have changed your vote to save yourself? Really?


As a Human, I'd like to think so.


Now if i were a REPLICANT? Hells yeah I'd be saving my ass.

[Alan T]

So now that we learned absolutely nothing about the vote... What can we tell about it...

A) DT was good, Render moved for some weird reason that is unexplainable
B) DT was bad, Render moved to save him
C) DT was bad, Render moved for some weird reason that is unexplainable

I know alot of people suggested to scan Swaggs or ardent tonight, but I'm not so sure that Render wouldn't be a bad scan choice. I have felt his play today was odd all day, but don't necessarily think odd play = wolf all the time though.

[st.cronin]

DT and ardent were both pretty much MIA all day.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Oh, and if anyone wants to know, in my dream the sun crashed into my apartment and destroyed all my nice new furniture.

[st.cronin]

No, I say our seers scan somebody else, and tomorrow we just lynch Render regardless. If Render is bad, good for us. If he's good, why force the seers to out themselves on day 2?

[Telle]

No, I say our seers scan somebody else, and tomorrow we just lynch Render regardless. If Render is bad, good for us. If he's good, why force the seers to out themselves on day 2?

Works for me.. then I don't have to keep biting my tongue every time I want to say something about the game to him! :)

[Alan T]

No, I say our seers scan somebody else, and tomorrow we just lynch Render regardless. If Render is bad, good for us. If he's good, why force the seers to out themselves on day 2?

I think Deckard's role appears to be pretty powerful. I assume based on what the rules state, that he has the ability to either scan someone or do a night attack for good (but not both). The other seer role I would guess is just plain seer only and no scan. Or perhaps a weaker seer type scan (chance of failure?).

So I would guess Deckard could scan him one night and kill him the next night without ever outing himself.

[Barkeep49]

As a Human, I'd like to think so.


Now if i were a REPLICANT? Hells yeah I'd be saving my ass.
Do you understand my post about why the noble sacrifice is a losing play as villager?

[Barkeep49]

I think Deckard's role appears to be pretty powerful. I assume based on what the rules state, that he has the ability to either scan someone or do a night attack for good (but not both). The other seer role I would guess is just plain seer only and no scan. Or perhaps a weaker seer type scan (chance of failure?).

So I would guess Deckard could scan him one night and kill him the next night without ever outing himself.
Yeah. Decker is our friend no doubt about it.

[DaddyTorgo]

crap. I'm not used to being on the west coast. I missed deadline hmm? ah well...today was the one day i'll likely be out of touch. The rest of the game should happen during my vacation-vacation

[LoneStarGirl]

Wow, two games in a row for DaddyTorgo... I guess he learned his lesson about gloating

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I'm wondering how the replicants attack/gain knowledge. I gather that Roy Batty can kill whomever he pleases and that Priss learns a person's role, but does Leon have any other ability other than taking out the person who attacks him? What I'm concerned about is that he (and maybe Roy if he chooses not to kill) has the ability to "spy" on someone. If we send our two Blade Runners to test AE and Swaggs, are we sending our two most important players into a trap?

[st.cronin]

I think Deckard's role appears to be pretty powerful. I assume based on what the rules state, that he has the ability to either scan someone or do a night attack for good (but not both). The other seer role I would guess is just plain seer only and no scan. Or perhaps a weaker seer type scan (chance of failure?).

So I would guess Deckard could scan him one night and kill him the next night without ever outing himself.

That's a good point.

[Alan T]

I'm wondering how the replicants attack/gain knowledge. I gather that Roy Batty can kill whomever he pleases and that Priss learns a person's role, but does Leon have any other ability other than taking out the person who attacks him? What I'm concerned about is that he (and maybe Roy if he chooses not to kill) has the ability to "spy" on someone. If we send our two Blade Runners to test AE and Swaggs, are we sending our two most important players into a trap?

Sounded to me like

Brutal wolf
Anti-Seer
Night killer

[Lathum]

Wow, two games in a row for DaddyTorgo... I guess he learned his lesson about gloating

lol

[st.cronin]

That's a good point.

But the problem is still what to do tomorrow. If he scans RendeR, and we lynch Render, then he's wasted his night action.

[Telle]

I'm wondering how the replicants attack/gain knowledge. I gather that Roy Batty can kill whomever he pleases and that Priss learns a person's role, but does Leon have any other ability other than taking out the person who attacks him? What I'm concerned about is that he (and maybe Roy if he chooses not to kill) has the ability to "spy" on someone. If we send our two Blade Runners to test AE and Swaggs, are we sending our two most important players into a trap?

But would the person they scan know that they were scanned and by whom?

[Barkeep49]

But the problem is still what to do tomorrow. If he scans RendeR, and we lynch Render, then he's wasted his night action.
This is a risk we'll always have to take, I feel. We don't want Decker coming out in ANY way, I feel.

[st.cronin]

This is a risk we'll always have to take, I feel. We don't want Decker coming out in ANY way, I feel.

Totally agree, that's why I would urge Decker to scan somebody not on our radar.

[Barkeep49]

Totally agree, that's why I would urge Decker to scan somebody not on our radar.
And hope that he gets lucky and take unilateral action? I dunno...

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Sounded to me like

Brutal wolf
Anti-Seer
Night killer

So only one of them has the ability to scan people? If that's true then finding Tyrell and Sebastian is going to be really tough for them.

[Barkeep49]

So only one of them has the ability to scan people? If that's true then finding Tyrell and Sebastian is going to be really tough for them.
I agree with both Alan's and JE's analysis.

[st.cronin]

And hope that he gets lucky and take unilateral action? I dunno...

Well what's the scenario where he scans RendeR, and isn't either wasting his night action or revealing himself tomorrow?

If RendeR is bad, he just sits around while we lynch him. If Render is good, he has to out himself, or else sit around while we lynch him.

The only way Render makes sense as a scan target is if he can scan and kill in the same night - which I guess is possible, but pretty unlikely.

[Barkeep49]

Well what's the scenario where he scans RendeR, and isn't either wasting his night action or revealing himself tomorrow?

If RendeR is bad, he just sits around while we lynch him. If Render is good, he has to out himself, or else sit around while we lynch him.

The only way Render makes sense as a scan target is if he can scan and kill in the same night - which I guess is possible, but pretty unlikely.
I'm not convinced at all that we'll lynch Render tomorrow. To me I'm looking at BS, Render, and Swaggs, likely in that order.

[bulletsponge]

ok quick question. DT and i were tied, how was it he was choosen to die then? was it a random roll or does someone have a deciding factor?

[DaddyTorgo]

fyi that's 3 games in a row i'm dead D1.

Although in this case I think it might have been a good thing. Don't want to say anymore since I'm just a ghost. Good luck villagers!

[Barkeep49]

ok quick question. DT and i were tied, how was it he was choosen to die then? was it a random roll or does someone have a deciding factor?
I don't think we know.

[path12]

Didn't DT get to five votes first? Maybe that's the tiebreaker.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I'm curious to see what happens tonight. I don't know what it means that the replicants have to "find" Tyrell and Sebastian as one of the paths to victory. Does Priss have the only ability to find them? And what happens if either Tyrell or Sebastian is killed? What if both are killed? Is that a risk the replicants are willing to take just to kill someone?

Conversely, do the Blade Runners kill tonight instead of testing people? If they kill, we learn if the victims are human or not. If they test, only they know the result and that knowledge could die without the rest of us knowing.

[path12]

I'm curious to see what happens tonight. I don't know what it means that the replicants have to "find" Tyrell and Sebastian as one of the paths to victory. Does Priss have the only ability to find them? And what happens if either Tyrell or Sebastian is killed? What if both are killed? Is that a risk the replicants are willing to take just to kill someone?

Conversely, do the Blade Runners kill tonight instead of testing people? If they kill, we learn if the victims are human or not. If they test, only they know the result and that knowledge could die without the rest of us knowing.

That reminds me. Wouldn't there have to be some way to tell what side those sent to Mars belonged to? Most non-reveal games I've been in have some sort of mechanism to determine the allegiance of all lynched or killed players eventually.

[st.cronin]

That reminds me. Wouldn't there have to be some way to tell what side those sent to Mars belonged to? Most non-reveal games I've been in have some sort of mechanism to determine the allegiance of all lynched or killed players eventually.

I've been assuming that there is some mechanism, but we don't know what it is yet. Maybe one of Tyrell or Sebastian gets that info?

[Passacaglia]

fyi that's 3 games in a row i'm dead D1.

Although in this case I think it might have been a good thing. Don't want to say anymore since I'm just a ghost. Good luck villagers!

Do you mean 3 games as a villager? Cause that one time you were a wolf, you did not die D1.

[RendeR]

OK, first off, wtf did I do to Cronin to piss him off? *tosses a have spent cigar on the ground*


Secondly, I'm not the only person who voted/changed their vote to force a tie. We didn't know how a tie would affect things and finding that out is worthy enough reason for votes on people on DAY 1.

And one final note Cronin, the simplest way for Deckard to not waste his scan on night 1 is to scan someone who might actually BE a replicant. All kidding aside, I was PM-ed human and a boring generic useless no ROLE human at that.


Damn, how did I get so popular all the sudden? I couldn't have done THAT well last game, I DIED.

[st.cronin]

OK, first off, wtf did I do to Cronin to piss him off? *tosses a have spent cigar on the ground*


Secondly, I'm not the only person who voted/changed their vote to force a tie. We didn't know how a tie would affect things and finding that out is worthy enough reason for votes on people on DAY 1.

And one final note Cronin, the simplest way for Deckard to not waste his scan on night 1 is to scan someone who might actually BE a replicant. All kidding aside, I was PM-ed human and a boring generic useless no ROLE human at that.


Damn, how did I get so popular all the sudden? I couldn't have done THAT well last game, I DIED.

I'm just assuming that after your vote switch that you'll get some attention tomorrow. I have no particular feelings about your humanity.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

OK, first off, wtf did I do to Cronin to piss him off? *tosses a have spent cigar on the ground*


Secondly, I'm not the only person who voted/changed their vote to force a tie. We didn't know how a tie would affect things and finding that out is worthy enough reason for votes on people on DAY 1.

And one final note Cronin, the simplest way for Deckard to not waste his scan on night 1 is to scan someone who might actually BE a replicant. All kidding aside, I was PM-ed human and a boring generic useless no ROLE human at that.


Damn, how did I get so popular all the sudden? I couldn't have done THAT well last game, I DIED.

Well, that's certainly an interesting response...

[Barkeep49]

Render do you get the logic yet behind the Conventional Wisdom that a villager should try to save himself?

[RendeR]

Render do you get the logic yet behind the Conventional Wisdom that a villager should try to save himself?


Of course I get the logic, its just these damn morals of mine that TELLE has nurtured for a decade that keep getting in my way!

[RendeR]

I'm just assuming that after your vote switch that you'll get some attention tomorrow. I have no particular feelings about your humanity.


You may want to re-read your posts then, because it sure reads like a holy crusade to rid humanity of my person =)

[LoneStarGirl]

Of course I get the logic, its just these damn morals of mine that TELLE has nurtured for a decade that keep getting in my way!

sure sure, blame it on the woman!

[Poli]

Crap, I'm guessing I missed a deadline? Evil NCAA GAME!

[st.cronin]

Alan T has joined the FOFC-BBCF! woot!

[Poli]

DT and ardent were both pretty much MIA all day.
Blame the game, dude. The game. Well, that and work. Got work tomorrow. Believe it or not, in a "secret" animal testing facility in St. Louis. It breaks my heart to hear the dogs in that place. I hate going there. I think I'll be home all day Thursday and Friday, though.

Day 1 Final Vote Tally

bulletsponge - 5 Barkeep49, st.cronin, Telle, Chief Rum, RendeR
DaddyTorgo - 5 Jonathan Ezarik, Swaggs, path12, AlanT, bulletsponge
ardent enthusiast - 2 KWhit, Passacaglia
ntndeacon - 1 Lathum
Lathum - 1 ntndeacon
KWhit - 1 twothree
RendeR - 1 LoneStarGirl

Did not vote: DaddyTorgo, ardent enthusiast
Dang, one post and two votes. I am good.


Agree, and note that ardent and Swaggs were among the first to come out with pm info (still not sure if ardent was talking about a dream or not). My instincts tell me they're both villager.I think mine was a dream, but I'll admit I barely read it. Tennis this and that. Heck, I had to double check to make sure the humans weren't the bad guys before I posted.

This should be interesting. WW doesn't hold a candle to the time I'm goign to spend on NCAA '08. This is going to be a hard game to follow. :)
Took me forever to figure out when I posted this.

[Poli]

Alan T has joined the FOFC-BBCF! woot!
Don't hold your breath for me.

[Poli]

Just checked, the tennis thing was a dream of mine when I was six or something. Skinned my knee...became a star. Something.

About to hit the hay...later gang.

[twothree]

Got back from work. That was an interesting day one.

[path12]

Alan T has joined the FOFC-BBCF! woot!

I might once I learn the game a bit more. Which reminds me.......

[Barkeep49]

Of course I get the logic, its just these damn morals of mine that TELLE has nurtured for a decade that keep getting in my way!
So it's more moral to save the life of a wolf than yourself?

[RendeR]

So it's more moral to save the life of a wolf than yourself?


Well for my part, everyone appears to be human; human for human is not a trade I'd make merely for survival's sake, perhaps you know otherwise?

[ntndeacon]

I agree with BK. you gotta try to save yourself...especially early on. Now as a consoling factor you can say well at least I was only a normal peon human instead of someone important, but as a strategy that is just awful

[Chief Rum]

Not sure yet what to make of things. I will need to see how the night passes and if we find out anything new. Of course, I leave for work before the night deadline, but I only work one job tomorrow. I will be around tomorrow late, probably for the last two hours up to the deadline or so.

I'm still leaning toward bulletsponge, but I am alsotrying to digest the intricacies of yesterday's vote, and particular the moves made by Alan and Render. It might also be a good idea to look at the ones who broke the ties. I think I was even one of those, actually.

[Alan T]

Not sure yet what to make of things. I will need to see how the night passes and if we find out anything new. Of course, I leave for work before the night deadline, but I only work one job tomorrow. I will be around tomorrow late, probably for the last two hours up to the deadline or so.

I'm still leaning toward bulletsponge, but I am alsotrying to digest the intricacies of yesterday's vote, and particular the moves made by Alan and Render. It might also be a good idea to look at the ones who broke the ties. I think I was even one of those, actually.



I am interested in you going into details more about what you didn't like about my vote. At the time of my voting, it was a 1 vote lead for Bulletsponge. I had the option to vote for BS and make it a run away, which would mean we would lose any last minute vote switches (like we had) which mighr or might not be meaningful.

Or I had the option to vote for Ardent or Ntndeacon (both of whom had 2 votes at the time), which would have kept it at a 1 vote lead for Bulletsponge (who had his vote on someone else and could move it to tie things up as we saw he did), however in my point of view I don't think I necessarily agreed that Ardent = wolf, and while ntn was a choice, it was really a toss up between him, BS, DT and half a few other people for me.

Or I had the option to do what many did and just throw away my vote on someone else.

You can disagree with my reasoning if you want, but as both BS and DT had votes they could move to save themselves if they wanted, my vote for DT neither condemned nor saved either of them. What it did do was keep things close where others could try to save their friend if for some reason a wolf was on the line there. I don't know if we have any way to ever learn what DT's role was, but I don't feel bad about my vote at all.

Instead of just throwing my name out there grouped up with Render who had a very different type of vote (his was at the deadline, where mine was announced with almost half an hour to go and plenty of people around), his appeared to almost try to save DT, where mine was fairly neutral to either of them... Why don't you give your reasons why you didn't like the move, or what you thought was strange about it. Its not like you Chief to just name drop without thoughtful analysis behind it.

[Telle]

Of course I get the logic, its just these damn morals of mine that TELLE has nurtured for a decade that keep getting in my way!

For the record, if I was in the same position as BS I would have made a self-preservation move.. since I know I'm human but would be unsure of the other person. If I somehow had some prior knowledge of the other person's humanity then I might do differently.. especially if it was someone with a special role.

However, if in the same position as RendeR I would have also have moved to force a tie out of spite for the self-preservationist.

So, there ya go.. I'm a typical human hypocrite.. I'd save my own skin but damn someone else who tried to save theirs :)

[Barkeep49]

So, there ya go.. I'm a typical human hypocrite.. I'd save my own skin but damn someone else who tried to save theirs :)
I find this absolutely appalling.

[Barkeep49]

Anyone have a sense of when we'll see the night actions? I hate waiting in suspense like this.

[Telle]

Anyone have a sense of when we'll see the night actions? I hate waiting in suspense like this.

Night actions are due by 10am.. so I'd think we'll see them shortly after that.

[Telle]

I find this absolutely appalling.

Guess I'm not as moral as RendeR thinks then :)

[Barkeep49]

Night actions are due by 10am.. so I'd think we'll see them shortly after that.
Wow. We have short days then. It'll be interesting to see how that impacts gameplay.

[Passacaglia]

I'm feeling a little less likely to think of RendeR as a wolf based on this vote. Isn't this pretty much exactly what he got busted for last game? Why would he do it again, and so early in the game this time? On the other hand, perhaps he thinks it was LSG's link with me that doomed him, and that he could have got away with it if not for that.

[bulletsponge]

Anyone have a sense of when we'll see the night actions? I hate waiting in suspense like this.

someone will die. but it wont be me because any wolf worth his weight in wolf crap would sense a hangin in my near future

[RendeR]

I'm feeling a little less likely to think of RendeR as a wolf based on this vote. Isn't this pretty much exactly what he got busted for last game? Why would he do it again, and so early in the game this time? On the other hand, perhaps he thinks it was LSG's link with me that doomed him, and that he could have got away with it if not for that.


Just to clarify Pass, the link is exactly what busted me. She got a PM about it with my name in it. So that vote didn't make any real difference at the time. Was just a bad coin flip that we chose to off you instead of path or hoops on that night. One of the three lucky shots that won the game for the goody-goodies last game =)

[Alan T]

Just to clarify Pass, the link is exactly what busted me. She got a PM about it with my name in it. So that vote didn't make any real difference at the time. Was just a bad coin flip that we chose to off you instead of path or hoops on that night. One of the three lucky shots that won the game for the goody-goodies last game =)

So in other words, you would have gotten away with it if not for those meddling kids?


And if you were a wolf, you would have no problems doing the same move again eh?

[Telle]

Ok, it's after 11 now. Where the heck are the night actions already??

I'm beginning to think I don't have the temperament for this game.. it doesn't provide total instant gratification! :)

[Lathum]

Ok, it's after 11 now. Where the heck are the night actions already??

I'm beginning to think I don't have the temperament for this game.. it doesn't provide total instant gratification! :)

lol, usually it does but since Tanglewood is on another continent I guess we should cut him some slack.


that being said he needs to hurry up!!! :D

[Telle]

lol, usually it does but since Tanglewood is on another continent I guess we should cut him some slack.


that being said he needs to hurry up!!! :D

Yeah, but, ummm.. I've been resisting the urge to post that since about 10:05 :)

[Alan T]

lol, usually it does but since Tanglewood is on another continent I guess we should cut him some slack.


that being said he needs to hurry up!!! :D

He was around earlier at 9am.. so its not like he overslept the deadline by about 3 hours or anything.. not that any GMs would ever do that when they run a game!

[Passacaglia]

Just to clarify Pass, the link is exactly what busted me. She got a PM about it with my name in it. So that vote didn't make any real difference at the time. Was just a bad coin flip that we chose to off you instead of path or hoops on that night. One of the three lucky shots that won the game for the goody-goodies last game =)

Killing me was probably the right move that night -- I was probably the most trusted person alive, plus there was the off-chance that my link with LSG would have killed her too. But the lynch on AE really exposed you as a wolf, and I'm pretty sure that even if path or hoops were killed that night, your vote revealed you as a wolf.

Do you see, though, how this move looks very similar to your vote for hoops in the last game? You come out with a comment about how you don't like someone's rather innocuous action, then cast a potentially deciding vote to save someone else. That was a wolf move in the last game -- why isn't it one this game?

[Lathum]

He was around earlier at 9am.. so its not like he overslept the deadline by about 3 hours or anything.. not that any GMs would ever do that when they run a game!

easy buddy, my schedule is very unpredictable!

[tanglewood]

Sorry about the delay. The night actions are being processed currently.

[tanglewood]

The morning news is bleak reading for the inhabitants of the city. It appears that the rouge replicants have struck and killed an innocent member of the public in their deranged quest. An autopsy confirmed that it was the body of Passacaglia found in a dumpster behind a popular bar at 8 in the morning.

Day 2 begins, deadline 9pm EST

[Barkeep49]

I have not received any dream from last night.

[Barkeep49]

So in order of most suspicious to less supicious here are the people I'm looking at today:
Bulletsponge (He says he's a wolf, who am I to doubt him)
RendeR (Last minute vote still feels fishy to me. Wish we had insight on DT)
Swaggs (Whole dream conflict thing with AE)

[Lathum]

I have not received any dream from last night.

me neither

[Telle]

Me neither. Maybe he was only doing a dream for the first PM and you only get a night action PM if you have a special role that allows night actions? (like scanning/killing)

[Passacaglia]

Ha! Chumps!

[Telle]

So in order of most suspicious to less supicious here are the people I'm looking at today:
Bulletsponge (He says he's a wolf, who am I to doubt him)
RendeR (Last minute vote still feels fishy to me. Wish we had insight on DT)
Swaggs (Whole dream conflict thing with AE)

Btw, Alan T also said something about "being evil" in post 111. And while I assume that he was being sarcastic and Bulletsponge was making an attempt at humor, I think it certainly doesn't "help the village" to be purposely tossing out comments that can do nothing but lead to confusion.. and thus anyone doing such is either a replicant or a human that we don't need around.

[path12]

I received no information at all last night. Why Pass? I'll go back through his posts and take a look.

[path12]

In fact, the girl described in my PM seemed to be very obviously not human. Sounds like a good plan. I obviously am evil. So everyone come out and vote me. Its just the strategy I would use.

Telle, this comes off to me as a sarcastic comment to his name being brought up. I don't know that there's anything else there. Could be, I guess, but this doesn't make me think one way or the other about Alan.

[Barkeep49]

Btw, Alan T also said something about "being evil" in post 111. And while I assume that he was being sarcastic and Bulletsponge was making an attempt at humor, I think it certainly doesn't "help the village" to be purposely tossing out comments that can do nothing but lead to confusion.. and thus anyone doing such is either a replicant or a human that we don't need around.
A very fair point indeed. I will point out though that bullet has still yet to offer a defense for his actions and I still believe has not posted about his dream. I find his lack of defense somewhat disconcerting as well. I know that when I was so close to being killed in the last game I came out strong in my defense each time.

Telle who are you looking at today?

[Alan T]

Btw, Alan T also said something about "being evil" in post 111. And while I assume that he was being sarcastic and Bulletsponge was making an attempt at humor, I think it certainly doesn't "help the village" to be purposely tossing out comments that can do nothing but lead to confusion.. and thus anyone doing such is either a replicant or a human that we don't need around.

Here is the post she referrs to... This after Render came flying out with a vote on me for no good reason whatso ever.

In fact, the girl described in my PM seemed to be very obviously not human. Sounds like a good plan. I obviously am evil. So everyone come out and vote me. Its just the strategy I would use.

So yeah, if you don't need me around, go right ahead and vote for me. So far that is three people who've come out after me without a real good reason (Render, Chief Rum and Telle). I have no problem if people question my moves, but the quick toss outs of my name without any real explanation just appears to be nothing more than feelers to see if they can get someone else to bite on it.

[Lathum]

VOTE ALANT

[twothree]

No new dream tonight. Which to me means it was probably all flavor text.

The only thing I know for certain is that Passacaglia was human. And, the only one who voted for Passacaglia, unless I missed a post, was bulletsponge who changed his vote to DaddyTorgo.

[path12]

Post recap for Passacaglia:

#146 -- Checks in, had crazy dream about New York City.
#152 -- meaningless
#158 -- It would seem hard to find someone sent to Mars
#159 -- Maybe that is why no reveal after lynch
#215 -- Reply to Barkeep -- who dreamt of NYC besides me?
#255 -- Everyone cleared oddities except DT and AE. Since DT has more votes, votes AE.
(After this vote standings are: DT and bullet 3, AE and ntn 2)
#332 -- Replys to DT re lynch.
#358 -- Thinks less likely Render is wolf, "isn't this what he got busted for last time?"
#366 -- To Render about how his vote related to situation last game.

Dead.

Not much there.

[path12]

VOTE ALANT

Why?

[Barkeep49]

VOTE ALANT
Lathum is now our biggest source of unintentional humor voting immediately after someone complains about people voting for them without explanation in the last two games.

[Barkeep49]

Was I wrong when I said someone besides Pass had a NYC dream?

[Telle]

A very fair point indeed. I will point out though that bullet has still yet to offer a defense for his actions and I still believe has not posted about his dream. I find his lack of defense somewhat disconcerting as well. I know that when I was so close to being killed in the last game I came out strong in my defense each time.

Telle who are you looking at today?

I'm still looking at Bullet, unless something more compelling comes up. I'm not that convinced he is a wolf.. but he really hasn't added much to things and if he is a villager then his attempt at humor has sent us on a wild goose chase which could have made us miss other things, and thus, as I said just previously, isn't worth keeping around.

Although after Alan T's response I'd say he's either in a really bad mood of a wolf playing overly defensive.

[Telle]

I'm still looking at Bullet, unless something more compelling comes up. I'm not that convinced he is a wolf.. but he really hasn't added much to things and if he is a villager then his attempt at humor has sent us on a wild goose chase which could have made us miss other things, and thus, as I said just previously, isn't worth keeping around.

Although after Alan T's response I'd say he's either in a really bad mood of a wolf playing overly defensive.

Edit of last line: Although after Alan T's response I'd say he's either in a really bad mood OR a wolf playing overly defensive.

[Lathum]

Lathum is now our biggest source of unintentional humor voting immediately after someone complains about people voting for them without explanation in the last two games.

do you not find it funny?

[Alan T]

I'm still looking at Bullet, unless something more compelling comes up. I'm not that convinced he is a wolf.. but he really hasn't added much to things and if he is a villager then his attempt at humor has sent us on a wild goose chase which could have made us miss other things, and thus, as I said just previously, isn't worth keeping around.

Although after Alan T's response I'd say he's either in a really bad mood of a wolf playing overly defensive.

I'm not in a bad mood, I just like to have good reasons people vote for me. :) Your reason for tossing my name out was very suspicious in my mind, and so far alot of your actions have been fairly linked to someone who I also find suspicious (Render).. I thus far have told myself its because its your first game, but you both seem to be pushing very odd angles in my mind this game.

[Alan T]

do you not find it funny?


I found it funnier last game ;)

[hoopsguy]

You could always misquote his posts and get him lynched as revenge.

Don't mind me, just passing through.

[LoneStarGirl]

Lathum is amusing. And who is this Gonzo person lurking in our thread? He should play next game

[Alan T]

You could always misquote his posts and get him lynched as revenge.

Don't mind me, just passing through.

:D

[LoneStarGirl]

Hoops you just can't stay away.... you are definitely becoming Lathum's nemesis ;)

[Alan T]

Lathum is amusing. And who is this Gonzo person lurking in our thread? He should play next game

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7c/Gonzothegreat.jpg

[KWhit]

Was I wrong when I said someone besides Pass had a NYC dream?

I think so. I never saw any other mention of NYC.

[LoneStarGirl]

Anyway, I think this game is going to be very hard to win as a village. Unless there are only two wolves out there (but i suspect 3 with perhaps a chance at 4) the village is going to have to work together to come up with a wolf. And even if we do get one, its not like we know it!

Also, we all know BulletSponge is kind of a funny character. What he said about being a wolf is right up there with the rest of the crap he has said and done in previous games. I dont think he should be punished for it... yet


And Third, everybody admits Pass kicked ass last game right? And today he is the first to go, I think we should look at the veterans from last game... they are smart enough to kill off the 'strongest' player if they think he is a threat to them.

[Barkeep49]

Anyway, I think this game is going to be very hard to win as a village. Unless there are only two wolves out there (but i suspect 3 with perhaps a chance at 4) the village is going to have to work together to come up with a wolf. And even if we do get one, its not like we know it!

Also, we all know BulletSponge is kind of a funny character. What he said about being a wolf is right up there with the rest of the crap he has said and done in previous games. I dont think he should be punished for it... yet


And Third, everybody admits Pass kicked ass last game right? And today he is the first to go, I think we should look at the veterans from last game... they are smart enough to kill off the 'strongest' player if they think he is a threat to them.
So who are those veterans we should look at? I mean clearly I would be on such a list, but I'm curious to see who else you're looking at with that logic.

[Barkeep49]

do you not find it funny?
It is amusing to a certain extent but it would be nice if you'd actually back up your assertions. Seems like the easy way out.

[LoneStarGirl]

I think it would be prudent to look at

Alant (duh)
Barkeep
Path
Ntn
Cronin

Lathum was dead early and was too pissed to really follow the game I believe, I don't think that smart, Rum was barely there because of work, and the rest aren't veterans or didn't play last game

[path12]

You could always misquote his posts and get him lynched as revenge.

Don't mind me, just passing through.

Hoops will be here all week. Tip your waitress. :)

[Lathum]

Day 1 Final Vote Tally

bulletsponge - 5 Barkeep49, st.cronin, Telle, Chief Rum, RendeR
DaddyTorgo - 5 Jonathan Ezarik, Swaggs, path12, AlanT, bulletsponge
ardent enthusiast - 2 KWhit, Passacaglia
ntndeacon - 1 Lathum
Lathum - 1 ntndeacon
KWhit - 1 twothree
RendeR - 1 LoneStarGirl

Did not vote: DaddyTorgo, ardent enthusiast

OK< so I think it is a safe assumption that the replicants wouldn't vote for one of their own in such a close vote.

Now we have no idea if DT is a replicant or not but mathmaticly he probably isn't. I don't think the wolves would group themselvesd together so much. I also think the wolves would want to stay away from any late controversy.

That being said we can split people up into 3 groups.

Group A- voted Bulletsponge

Barkeep49 (219), st.cronin (225), Telle (246), chief rum (259) Render (279)

Broup B- voted DaddyTorgo

Jonathan Ezarik (134), Swaggs (161), Path (251) AlanT ( 270) Bulletsponge ( 277)


Group C- Random Votes

Lathum (193), KWhit (154), Passacaglia (255), LoneStarGirl (183), ntndeacon (172), twothree (194)


I think a good place to start is with 1 wolf in each of those groups. I think it is a safe assumption the wolves spread their votes out.

Now I see some trends here and 1 thing stands out in particular. AlanT said he was voting for DT to create a tie but at the time Bulletsponge had a throw away vote on Passacaglia. Alan is way to expierienced a player to not realize Bulletsponge will change his vote, thus lynching Daddytorgo.

Then Render sweeps in late tying it up, the question is was render trying to save DT and why?

IMO Alan cleverly sealed DT's fate with his action while making Bulletsponge take the heat. Thus my vote for him.

[ntndeacon]

So in order of most suspicious to less supicious here are the people I'm looking at today:
Bulletsponge (He says he's a wolf, who am I to doubt him)
RendeR (Last minute vote still feels fishy to me. Wish we had insight on DT)
Swaggs (Whole dream conflict thing with AE)

Of these three I am much more likely to vote for Render than BS or Swaggs. At least we can use his voting as a weapon against him. I would remind everyone to watch out for the quiet ones, as it is likely that a wolf hides there letting others take the lead especially when we seem to have no clue where to go or are going in completely the wrong directions. (not that we know yet if we are working correctly yet , but it is a good guess)

[Lathum]

Anyway, I think this game is going to be very hard to win as a village. Unless there are only two wolves out there (but i suspect 3 with perhaps a chance at 4) the village is going to have to work together to come up with a wolf. And even if we do get one, its not like we know it!


this statement doesn't jive with me, don't the rules clearly state there are 3 "wolves?"

[Alan T]

OK< so I think it is a safe assumption that the replicants wouldn't vote for one of their own in such a close vote.

Now we have no idea if DT is a replicant or not but mathmaticly he probably isn't. I don't think the wolves would group themselvesd together so much. I also think the wolves would want to stay away from any late controversy.

That being said we can split people up into 3 groups.

Group A- voted Bulletsponge

Barkeep49 (219), st.cronin (225), Telle (246), chief rum (259) Render (279)

Broup B- voted DaddyTorgo

Jonathan Ezarik (134), Swaggs (161), Path (251) AlanT ( 270) Bulletsponge ( 277)


Group C- Random Votes

Lathum (193), KWhit (154), Passacaglia (255), LoneStarGirl (183), ntndeacon (172), twothree (194)


I think a good place to start is with 1 wolf in each of those groups. I think it is a safe assumption the wolves spread their votes out.

Now I see some trends here and 1 thing stands out in particular. AlanT said he was voting for DT to create a tie but at the time Bulletsponge had a throw away vote on Passacaglia. Alan is way to expierienced a player to not realize Bulletsponge will change his vote, thus lynching Daddytorgo.

Then Render sweeps in late tying it up, the question is was render trying to save DT and why?

IMO Alan cleverly sealed DT's fate with his action while making Bulletsponge take the heat. Thus my vote for him.

That makes no sense though. DaddyTorgo also had not voted yet. I already mentioned that neither of them had votes that mattered at the time and both could move their vote if need be. Also neither of them were around at the time, so I wasn't sure if that was even going to be the case. Out of the blue Bullet showed up and moved his vote at the end when needed to though. DT also showed up, but a bit too late.

If anything, their votes were a wash. You are only picking one side to argue here and completely ignoring the rest of the facts that don't back your story.

[Alan T]

In fact, looking back at yesterday closer, neither one really gave much of a defense at all, and wern't even around the 2 hours or 2 1/2 hours leading up to the deadline. Bullet showed up with 6 minutes to spare when he and then Render to counter him changed votes at the end. So you can't really say that I voted knowing that DT was going to die. And in fact, if the end votes hadn't been moved at all, knowing what we know now it would have been BS who had died there anyways.

Your arguement feels like a reach to me, I still stand by my vote yesterday.

[LoneStarGirl]

this statement doesn't jive with me, don't the rules clearly state there are 3 "wolves?"

Lathum, honestly, just between you and me, I don't think I have ever fully read the rules to any WW game I have ever played. Don't read into it.

[Barkeep49]

I think it would be prudent to look at

Alant (duh)
Barkeep
Path
Ntn
Cronin

Lathum was dead early and was too pissed to really follow the game I believe, I don't think that smart, Rum was barely there because of work, and the rest aren't veterans or didn't play last game
Why are you not on that list? You made it very deep in that game and are indeed a veteran. Not to mention you made the connection which is hardly stupid. I just don't buy you're "I'm a bad player" act anymore. I don't think you're a wolf (though I also don't think you're not a wolf) but if you're going off of that premise then I think you need to be on the list.

P.S. Was cronin really alive late in the game? I don't remember that at all. Jeez my memory sucks.

[LoneStarGirl]

I see Alant getting a little antsy and defensive.... I like it

[Lathum]

That makes no sense though. DaddyTorgo also had not voted yet. I already mentioned that neither of them had votes that mattered at the time and both could move their vote if need be. Also neither of them were around at the time, so I wasn't sure if that was even going to be the case. Out of the blue Bullet showed up and moved his vote at the end when needed to though. DT also showed up, but a bit too late.

If anything, their votes were a wash. You are only picking one side to argue here and completely ignoring the rest of the facts that don't back your story.

so what you are saying is you cast your vote under the assumption that

1. Bulletsponge wouldn't switch
2. Bulletsponge would switch and DT would come on and vote Bulletsponge
3. No one else would make a move to break the tie

All I know is your move forced bulletsponge's hand and that IMO makes you look guilty.

[LoneStarGirl]

Why are you not on that list? You made it very deep in that game and are indeed a veteran. Not to mention you made the connection which is hardly stupid. I just don't buy you're "I'm a bad player" act anymore. I don't think you're a wolf (though I also don't think you're not a wolf) but if you're going off of that premise then I think you need to be on the list.

P.S. Was cronin really alive late in the game? I don't remember that at all. Jeez my memory sucks.

lol you and me both... I have the worst memory which is why I usually do think I am not a great player (not a bad player, Im no DC or anything) but if i had a memory like Alant's or Hoops I would kick butt.

[Barkeep49]

I think the idea of 2 wolves plus a convert for the third wolf is entirely possible given the universe we're dealing with.

[Barkeep49]

LSG: Cronin was killed night 2 last game. I was right about that. Phew.

[Barkeep49]

I think Lathum's analysis of 1 wolf in each group is only correct if DT and BS are both villagers (or both wolves for that matter). If one of them was a wolf I would expect to see two wolves voting for a non-wolf and 1 random wolf vote.

[Alan T]

so what you are saying is you cast your vote under the assumption that

1. Bulletsponge wouldn't switch
2. Bulletsponge would switch and DT would come on and vote Bulletsponge
3. No one else would make a move to break the tie

All I know is your move forced bulletsponge's hand and that IMO makes you look guilty.

Or perhaps I cast that vote for the reason I said last night.. and with the 5-7 people who were in there with the 30 minutes left while I talked about it, I obviously thought that others might break the tie.

BS and DT both had votes they could move which is a wash. Neither was around nor had been around for hours which is a wash. Plenty of people could break a tie either direction if they wanted to and that would only serve us by telling us more about their motivation to do so on a day 1 when we don't know sqwat.

So you obviously feel very strongly about BS being a better person to vote off than DT, but my guess is that DT actually was one of the humans that we -don't- even want around (based on his farewell comment). I am guessing he was one of the two humans that the bad guys are trying to find, so lynching him might have been just fine for us.

That is besides the point since I had no idea of that at the time, nor do I now. You seem to know alot more than I do about others this game somehow. I stated my reasons were to keep it close, with plenty of time for people to make moves if they so chose, and well two people did. If you feel BS was guilty or DT was innocent, then by all means please tell me your reasons for feeling that way. If I voted wrong, or guessed incorrectly, then so be it. However the reasons you are giving really don't make much sense.

[Barkeep49]

so what you are saying is you cast your vote under the assumption that

1. Bulletsponge wouldn't switch
2. Bulletsponge would switch and DT would come on and vote Bulletsponge
3. No one else would make a move to break the tie

All I know is your move forced bulletsponge's hand and that IMO makes you look guilty.
I'm confused. How did Alan force BS's hand? If anything Alan made it easier for BS by tying up the vote. I think that in a game where we are so dependent on voting patterns forcing a late tie was a good way to reveal information about people and their allegiances.

[Lathum]

I'm confused. How did Alan force BS's hand? If anything Alan made it easier for BS by tying up the vote.

Well in essence he did both. He forced him to vote DT to save his own skin and made it the obvious choice.

[twothree]

this statement doesn't jive with me, don't the rules clearly state there are 3 "wolves?"

But DaddyTorgo might have been a wolf, very slim chance, so there might be only 2 wolves left.

[Alan T]

Well in essence he did both. He forced him to vote DT to save his own skin and made it the obvious choice.

Ok, so then tell me.. since obviously my voting for DT to tie things up caused BS to vote for DT there.... if I had voted for say ntndeacon, you suggest that BS wouldn't have tied things up by moving his vote and he would have just left it on Passacaglia?

Come on.. .that makes no sense and you know it!

[Passacaglia]

And Third, everybody admits Pass kicked ass last game right? And today he is the first to go, I think we should look at the veterans from last game... they are smart enough to kill off the 'strongest' player if they think he is a threat to them.

Either that, or they were just really excited for WW Clue, and wanted me to get a head start on the rules!

[bulletsponge]

jeez can someone make a post without calling me "BS". i know im full of it but dont call me it. my vote yesterday was 100% save my ass vote.

[LoneStarGirl]

Either that, or they were just really excited for WW Clue, and wanted me to get a head start on the rules!

oh Sweet you got the next game? so that is why you are dead early. go ahead and get it started big boy ;)

[Lathum]

oh Sweet you got the next game? so that is why you are dead early. go ahead and get it started big boy ;)

no kidding, the gap between this game and last was way to long

[Lathum]

Ok, so then tell me.. since obviously my voting for DT to tie things up caused BS to vote for DT there.... if I had voted for say ntndeacon, you suggest that BS wouldn't have tied things up by moving his vote and he would have just left it on Passacaglia?

Come on.. .that makes no sense and you know it!

he would have moved it anyway but you guarenteed DT's death and since we have no idea if he is good or bad I have to go with the odds that he was good.

[ntndeacon]

I am going to go ahead and put my vote out there already. I am less sure about Render than any of the other main contenders talked about today, so I am going to go there with my vote.

Vote RendeR

[Alan T]

he would have moved it anyway but you guarenteed DT's death and since we have no idea if he is good or bad I have to go with the odds that he was good.

I would argue that DT gurantueed his death by not doing the same thing that Bullet did. If DT had even voted at all, then it would have just bounced right back at Bullet.

You still havent told us what in your mind makes Bullet so much more guilty than DT. How did you have info about either of them yesterday that this is a much bigger issue to you?

[path12]

But DaddyTorgo might have been a wolf, very slim chance, so there might be only 2 wolves left.

The thing that makes me wonder about that is the fact he didn't get back until after deadline. I tend to assume wolves are paying attention to things like that.

[RendeR]

My vote yesterday was to ensure a tie, nothing more, nothing less, didn't matter to me WHO was tied, simply that I voted to maintain the tie, and as has been pointed out a number of folks could have changed that outcome anyway and did not do so.

Also, based on teh nature of the story and the movie a CONVERSION is really not in line with how things work. There is no way to convert a human into a replicant. Perhaps creating a replicant sympathiser, but I find that VERY unlikely, so I think we can discard the comment from LSG about a possibel4th wolf, the rules say 3 and I think we only have 3.

[Barkeep49]

Ok I'm just completely unimpressed with full of BS play this game. He's still offered no defense and no dream information (whether that was color or not). Very much open to change (though I think not to Alan at this time) but I think we made a mistake yesterday and should fix it today.

Vote Bullet

[KWhit]

Well, I'm still looking at Ardent/Swaggs. The dream thing is still odd to me.

[Lathum]

I would argue that DT gurantueed his death by not doing the same thing that Bullet did. If DT had even voted at all, then it would have just bounced right back at Bullet.

You still havent told us what in your mind makes Bullet so much more guilty than DT. How did you have info about either of them yesterday that this is a much bigger issue to you?

I have no info and even if I did it wold be suicidle to say I did, it seems like you are trying to get me to tip my hand...

[path12]

I assume if DT comes back before deadline he'll vote Bulletsponge to keep himself safer, and if I go elsewhere, then its a pretty decisive vote margin.. If I vote DT to keep things close, right now it would be a tie if DT doesn't come back.. Do we know what happens in the case of a tie?

I know I am about to open a can of worms here, but in this case where we don't really learn anything from the lynch.. could it be said that a tie here isn't a bad thing?

Alan's comments from his vote post.

I don't really think his vote was suspicious and I've got no dog in this fight, but Alan, you said right there with the can of worms comment that you expected some heat for the vote, so you really shouldn't be surprised about the questions.

[twothree]

The thing that makes me wonder about that is the fact he didn't get back until after deadline. I tend to assume wolves are paying attention to things like that.

True. I have no clue who to vote for today. So,

vote ardent enthusiast

Reason, he failed to cast a vote on day 1. And, in post 237, he did check into the thread and probably could have cast a vote at that time. I believe he is probably a human. Like you stated wolves usually pay more attention to when a vote is due. But for now that will be my vote. I may change it before leaving for work in an hour.

[Alan T]

I have no info and even if I did it wold be suicidle to say I did, it seems like you are trying to get me to tip my hand...

While I guess that its possible that our good roles had some night 0 action or started day 1 with information, I find it highly unlikely that -IF- you were one of these roles, you would have had information on day 1 like you seem to infer. I find it much more likely that if you had such info on day 1, it would only condemn you in my eyes as the only people I would assume having such information would be a wolf. So I don't see how "probing" you for information that you might have had on day 1 is a bad thing at all.. If anything it seems to move you highly up the distrust list.

Alan's comments from his vote post.

I don't really think his vote was suspicious and I've got no dog in this fight, but Alan, you said right there with the can of worms comment that you expected some heat for the vote, so you really shouldn't be surprised about the questions.


Sure its fine with me if people question my moves, especially when they backfire. However nothing says that I can't answer and return with questions of my own, such as how Lathum had knowledge on day 1 to make his choice where most of the rest of us didn't.

[path12]

I've got no dog in this fight

Ouch. I really should have picked a better phrase considering the news.

[Alan T]

True. I have no clue who to vote for today. So,

vote ardent enthusiast

Reason, he failed to cast a vote on day 1. And, in post 237, he did check into the thread and probably could have cast a vote at that time. I believe he is probably a human. Like you stated wolves usually pay more attention to when a vote is due. But for now that will be my vote. I may change it before leaving for work in an hour.

Why would you in the same post both vote for a person and say you believe he is probably good?

[Alan T]

Ouch. I really should have picked a better phrase considering the news.


Ok Mike!

[Telle]

I'm not in a bad mood, I just like to have good reasons people vote for me. :) Your reason for tossing my name out was very suspicious in my mind, and so far alot of your actions have been fairly linked to someone who I also find suspicious (Render).. I thus far have told myself its because its your first game, but you both seem to be pushing very odd angles in my mind this game.

I tossed your name out because it paralleled Bullet's actions, which almost got him lynched.. and from the looks of things his head isn't off the chopping block yet. So what exactly is suspicious about when we're all yelling "Hey, he said he's bad.. let's kill him!" about one person to say "Hey, this guy said he's bad too"?

And how have my actions linked with RendeR? I defended his vote switch last night because I honestly would have done the exact same thing, and figured that as his wife I should at least say as much. However, I've also clearly stated that I am fully in favor of lynching him :)

[Lathum]

While I guess that its possible that our good roles had some night 0 action or started day 1 with information, I find it highly unlikely that -IF- you were one of these roles, you would have had information on day 1 like you seem to infer. I find it much more likely that if you had such info on day 1, it would only condemn you in my eyes as the only people I would assume having such information would be a wolf. So I don't see how "probing" you for information that you might have had on day 1 is a bad thing at all.. If anything it seems to move you highly up the distrust list.




Sure its fine with me if people question my moves, especially when they backfire. However nothing says that I can't answer and return with questions of my own, such as how Lathum had knowledge on day 1 to make his choice where most of the rest of us didn't.

obvious attempt to cast suspiscoun on me.

[Alan T]

obvious attempt to cast suspiscoun on me.

Thats pretty much what you have been doing to me the last 2 hours. My questions have legitimate merit. Your arguement is that I shouldn't have lynched DT, I should have lynched BS instead. But you refuse to give a reason for it.

[Alan T]

I tossed your name out because it paralleled Bullet's actions, which almost got him lynched.. and from the looks of things his head isn't off the chopping block yet. So what exactly is suspicious about when we're all yelling "Hey, he said he's bad.. let's kill him!" about one person to say "Hey, this guy said he's bad too"?

And how have my actions linked with RendeR? I defended his vote switch last night because I honestly would have done the exact same thing, and figured that as his wife I should at least say as much. However, I've also clearly stated that I am fully in favor of lynching him :)

Perhaps you just don't know me well enough then. Basically you could read into that post that my inferred message was that Render's post was so off the wall that obviously it was crazy.

[Barkeep49]

Lathum here's what I'm interested in: If you think we should have lynched bullet yesterday why aren't you voting for him again today?

[Lathum]

Thats pretty much what you have been doing to me the last 2 hours. My questions have legitimate merit. Your arguement is that I shouldn't have lynched DT, I should have lynched BS instead. But you refuse to give a reason for it.

you said yourself you were going to get heat for your vote.

Show me where in my arguments I stated Bulletsponge was a better candidate or that you shouldn't have voted DT?

My argument was HOW you voted and the timing of it and your reasoning, not the candidates in question.

[Lathum]

Lathum here's what I'm interested in: If you think we should have lynched bullet yesterday why aren't you voting for him again today?

well I didn't vote for him yesterday and again, someone show me where I state we should have lynched bulletsponge?

[twothree]

Why would you in the same post both vote for a person and say you believe he is probably good?

Well, my plan was to change my vote to the next person to vote for ardent in the hope that they were a wolf trying to hide their vote. I can see I shouldn't have stated that I believe he was a human.

unvote ardent enthusiast

[Alan T]

you said yourself you were going to get heat for your vote.

Show me where in my arguments I stated Bulletsponge was a better candidate or that you shouldn't have voted DT?

My argument was HOW you voted and the timing of it and your reasoning, not the candidates in question.

You pretty much have said you assume DT is good because I condemned him with my vote. Even though you refuse to acknowledge that both DT and BS had votes to try to save themselves, and whichever one died was more due to inaction than anything else.

You still haven't stated what would have been a better move when I layed out all the possible choices and still feel I made the right choice.

From everything you are saying, all i can guess is that you are upset that we voted off one of the humans that the bad guys want to find, you wish I had just voted for BS to put him 2 votes off and kill him off instead of DT. This makes me wonder if you are bad, then BS likely isn't.

[Barkeep49]

Well, my plan was to change my vote to the next person to vote for ardent in the hope that they were a wolf trying to hide their vote. I can see I shouldn't have stated that I believe he was a human.

unvote ardent enthusiast
That's funny twothree because history is actually on your side: In the last game AE nearly missed a vote and turned out to be human.

Also, I really liked this ploy (if unsuccessful). It's great to have some fresh thinking in this game.

[Barkeep49]

Alan we have no clue that DT was one of the humans that the bad guys wanted to find. I don't understand why you keep putting that out there.

[Barkeep49]

That's funny twothree because history is actually on your side: In the last game AE nearly missed a vote and turned out to be human.

Also, I really liked this ploy (if unsuccessful). It's great to have some fresh thinking in this game.

That should read turned out to be wolf. So AE missing a vote could be construed as his wolfish play. Though I think his statement that he just didn't care about this game to be more accurate :)

[Lathum]

From everything you are saying, all i can guess is that you are upset that we voted off one of the humans that the bad guys want to find, you wish I had just voted for BS to put him 2 votes off and kill him off instead of DT. This makes me wonder if you are bad, then BS likely isn't.

right, because as a wolf that would be a really smart play to make.

[RendeR]

That's funny twothree because history is actually on your side: In the last game AE nearly missed a vote and turned out to be human.

Also, I really liked this ploy (if unsuccessful). It's great to have some fresh thinking in this game.


We really need to eliminate the references to previous games. People have played far too many of them and can't keep them straight. (IE Ardent was a wolf in the last game BK) and this is the 2nd or 3rd time in this game that people have gotten "previous game" info wrong. Lets just worry about this game, ponder people's past histories in your own minds please =)

[twothree]

vote KWhit

[Barkeep49]

We really need to eliminate the references to previous games. People have played far too many of them and can't keep them straight. (IE Ardent was a wolf in the last game BK) and this is the 2nd or 3rd time in this game that people have gotten "previous game" info wrong. Lets just worry about this game, ponder people's past histories in your own minds please =)
You must not have seen my correction. And while I am somewhat sympathetic to the idea that we shouldn't bring up past games, we've got very little to go on in this game with us getting so little information. I know I keep harping on the subject, but it continues to be frustrating. I think quite simply that I'm not cut out to play in a no reveal game.

[RendeR]

Yeah, I didn't see a correction, sorry =)

Was Daddytorgo one of the two who had the tennis dream?

[Lathum]

You must not have seen my correction. And while I am somewhat sympathetic to the idea that we shouldn't bring up past games, we've got very little to go on in this game with us getting so little information. I know I keep harping on the subject, but it continues to be frustrating. I think quite simply that I'm not cut out to play in a no reveal game.

I agree 1000%

no offense to Tanglewood but no reveal games are frustrating.

[Alan T]

Alan we have no clue that DT was one of the humans that the bad guys wanted to find. I don't understand why you keep putting that out there.

I might be reading too much into the below statement, I'll admit that. I was just throwing out my thoughts as either way it had zero impact on my vote from yesterday. Had more to do with speculation behind Lathum's actions than anything else.

fyi that's 3 games in a row i'm dead D1.

Although in this case I think it might have been a good thing. Don't want to say anymore since I'm just a ghost. Good luck villagers!

[Barkeep49]

Yeah, I didn't see a correction, sorry =)

Was Daddytorgo one of the two who had the tennis dream?
No. That was AE and Swaggs.

[Lathum]

Alan, I am still waiting for you to point out where I specificaly state Bulletsponge was a better lynch candidate.

[path12]

Alan we have no clue that DT was one of the humans that the bad guys wanted to find. I don't understand why you keep putting that out there.


I was just going to ask about that myself.

[Lathum]

Well I have to get ready to leave in about an hour. I see no reason to change my vote at this point and will be out until past the deadline.

[Alan T]

I was just going to ask about that myself.

See above, I answered already.

[path12]

Well, my plan was to change my vote to the next person to vote for ardent in the hope that they were a wolf trying to hide their vote. I can see I shouldn't have stated that I believe he was a human.

unvote ardent enthusiast

Twothree, could you explain this a little more for me? I don't get a couple things:

1) Why would someone following your vote on Ardent be a wolf trying to hide? I can see reasons for voting AE.

2) Is the fact you believe he's human just a hunch? I need nor want detail on this.

[path12]

We really need to eliminate the references to previous games. People have played far too many of them and can't keep them straight. (IE Ardent was a wolf in the last game BK) and this is the 2nd or 3rd time in this game that people have gotten "previous game" info wrong. Lets just worry about this game, ponder people's past histories in your own minds please =)

Agreed. Intra game strategies are usually a way to head towards a wrong conclusion.

[path12]

Damn. That should be inter, shouldn't it.

[path12]

See above, I answered already.

Gotcha, hadn't got there yet.

[Alan T]

Alan, I am still waiting for you to point out where I specificaly state Bulletsponge was a better lynch candidate.

You can demand answers for questions from me, but refuse to answer stuff I asked of you. This isn't a one sided street here, in a conversation there usually is back and forth banter. You've done nothing but push an agenda today without listening to reason when it didn't suit your agenda.

he would have moved it anyway but you guarenteed DT's death and since we have no idea if he is good or bad I have to go with the odds that he was good.


Your entire arguement has been that I forced a hand (which I didn't) thus killing someone who you assume was good (even though unless you were bad, you would have had no way of knowing that day), and thus I must be guilty.

The facts:

- Daddytorgo had the same opportunity to move his vote last minute that Bullet sponge had. Neither had been around for hours, thus its not any more reasonable to expect one would show up but not the other unless you have inside information (which it almost seems to suggest that you had).
- On day 1, as a normal human I have no information about either of the candidates, and in both cases neither one had hardly posted anything worthwhile all day thus giving very little to go on. To suggest that I should have gone a different way with my vote when so little was known about either of them once again suggests that you had inside information some how that day.
- With 30 minutes to go after I suggested my move, and 6-7 people around at the time, and probably more even later .. there was plenty of time for anyone else to do anything to protect the move or change things before Bullet actually did show up at the end to move his vote.

[Telle]

vote KWhit

Care to share your rational? Or are you hoping a wolf didn't read your above post about Ardent?

[RendeR]

I have reason to believe DT WAS one of the big-whig humans that the replicants want to find. Telle pointed out that the way he handled exposing himself early in the game showed concern for wether he SHOULD divulge what he knows, hinting that he has a role that needs protecting.

DT also made a comment later on along the lines of "probably better that I got sent to mars anyway"

Just wanted to get that out in the open a bit more. My real concern now is that if this is true, do teh replicants win if they find the engineer? or did they require BOTH big names?

Another ponderance of mine: What are the odds that the role of Priss, an entertainment and sex model replicant of the female variety, was given to one of the two female players? In reality human beings tend to fall back on habit, and it would be typical to select a girl for a girl's role.

hrm, vote telle and sleep on the couch for a week...vote LSG and well...not sleep on the couch for a week....ponder ponder....

[KWhit]

Vote Ardent.

Three reasons:

I still think there's something to the tennis dream.
He missed last night's vote.
He has been basically non-existant in the game so for, so even if he does happen to be human, we're not going to lose any analysis.

[Telle]

Another ponderance of mine: What are the odds that the role of Priss, an entertainment and sex model replicant of the female variety, was given to one of the two female players? In reality human beings tend to fall back on habit, and it would be typical to select a girl for a girl's role.

I would hope that any GM wouldn't be THAT obvious. But people have also tossed out the idea that there may be a player that doesn't know that s/he is a replicant.. and that in the movie that happened to a female character. And my dream was a sex dream, so that fits in with the whole "sex model replicant" thing. But forgive me if I don't now jump up and down shouting "Vote for me in case I wake up tomorrow and find out I'm a replicant!" :)

[Alan T]

Ahh well, looks like lathum took off. I have to leave as well to drive home. I'll be back in a few hours. Just to get it out there, I'll vote Lathum for now, and I surely have a much better reason to than he does to vote me.

If I was bad as he suggests, then my move yesterday to protect Bulletsponge (which I already showed how that didnt make sense), must mean BS is bad too. yet instead of voting for someone else that was bad who already had other votes and attention, he chose to bring me up as well and thin out the voting crowd.

Or if Bulletsponge was good, and DT was good, then why as a wolf would I suddenly put myself in the middle of a villager vs villager vote and throw suspicion on myself. he stated earlier I am smart enough not to do some things, yet he thinks I would make a foolish move like that? Last game it showed how easily quiet utr wolves can slide for days.

Lathum has done nothing but try to stir up another innocent human's name into the pot with faulty logic and mistaken motives, I suspect his own motivations for doing so.

I'm out for a few hours, back later

Vote Lathum

[path12]

Another ponderance of mine: What are the odds that the role of Priss, an entertainment and sex model replicant of the female variety, was given to one of the two female players? In reality human beings tend to fall back on habit, and it would be typical to select a girl for a girl's role.

Roles are assigned randomly virtually 100% of the time as far as I know. I've been assigned female roles in the past. And if you ever saw me you'd know how ridiculous that is.

[RendeR]

Roles are assigned randomly virtually 100% of the time as far as I know. I've been assigned female roles in the past. And if you ever saw me you'd know how ridiculous that is.


Ok, this reassures me more than anything that its probably not one of the girls. Although Telle's point is well taken, there could be a hidden replicant that doesn't know its a replicant out there too. blah, so confusing.:mad::eek::(

[twothree]

Twothree, could you explain this a little more for me? I don't get a couple things:

1) Why would someone following your vote on Ardent be a wolf trying to hide? I can see reasons for voting AE.

2) Is the fact you believe he's human just a hunch? I need nor want detail on this.

Just a hunch because he failed to vote on day 1. And the rules state you must vote for someone everyday. I was persuaded by your statement in post 427.

[twothree]

Care to share your rational? Or are you hoping a wolf didn't read your above post about Ardent?

Just sticking with my day 1 vote. But, it was interesting to see KWhit vote for ardent. :)

[Barkeep49]

So here's what the vote count looks like:

Alan – Lathum (380)
Render – ntn (425)
Bullet – barkeep(429)
Kwhit – twothree (425)
Ardent – Kwhit (469)
Lathum – Alan (471)

Not Yet Voted: Jonathan Ezarik, st. cronin, Chief Rum, LoneStarGirl, RendeR, path12, Swaggs, Tele, bulletsponge, ardent enthusiast


I'm amazed we're this far into the day and yet to have anyone place a second vote on someone. Granted we have a lot of people yet to vote, but we appear to be all of the place. I hope we can start to consolidate into a few candidates soon.

[Barkeep49]

Just sticking with my day 1 vote. But, it was interesting to see KWhit vote for ardent. :)
And what was your reason for voting for him on Day 1?

[KWhit]

And what was your reason for voting for him on Day 1?

Do tell.

[Telle]

Well I guess I'll be the first to put in a second vote on someone and go with Bulletsponge. I voted for him on day one on the premise that he could be a wolf "hiding in plain sight". And it doesn't appear that he's done a single thing to try and prove otherwise since he was almost sent off to Mars last night.

Vote Bulletsponge

[bulletsponge]

So here's what the vote count looks like:

Alan – Lathum (380)
Render – ntn (425)
Bullet – barkeep(429)
Kwhit – twothree (425)
Ardent – Kwhit (469)
Lathum – Alan (471)

Not Yet Voted: Jonathan Ezarik, st. cronin, Chief Rum, LoneStarGirl, RendeR, path12, Swaggs, Tele, bulletsponge, ardent enthusiast


I'm amazed we're this far into the day and yet to have anyone place a second vote on someone. Granted we have a lot of people yet to vote, but we appear to be all of the place. I hope we can start to consolidate into a few candidates soon.

im so confused as to whom i might vote for. i dont have a SFF for anyone right now.

[bulletsponge]

Well I guess I'll be the first to put in a second vote on someone and go with Bulletsponge. I voted for him on day one on the premise that he could be a wolf "hiding in plain sight". And it doesn't appear that he's done a single thing to try and prove otherwise since he was almost sent off to Mars last night.

Vote Bulletsponge

hmpf

[Telle]

hmpf

Heh.. well I was about to say "Well you're here now.. tell us all why we shouldn't vote for you." But, well.. he left.

[Poli]

Well, I'm still looking at Ardent/Swaggs. The dream thing is still odd to me.
You and me both. I need to take the time to read up on Swaggs. Time away from the Football game....eek, tough sell.

True. I have no clue who to vote for today. So,

vote ardent enthusiast

Reason, he failed to cast a vote on day 1. And, in post 237, he did check into the thread and probably could have cast a vote at that time. I believe he is probably a human. Like you stated wolves usually pay more attention to when a vote is due. But for now that will be my vote. I may change it before leaving for work in an hour.

Why would you in the same post both vote for a person and say you believe he is probably good?

That should read turned out to be wolf. So AE missing a vote could be construed as his wolfish play. Though I think his statement that he just didn't care about this game to be more accurate :)

You might have me on the not caring, but I hate have it worded that way. I'm just way not into it right now. The Vols need me!

I missed a vote in the last game? I did?
Vote Ardent.

Three reasons:

I still think there's something to the tennis dream.
He missed last night's vote.
He has been basically non-existant in the game so for, so even if he does happen to be human, we're not going to lose any analysis.
True that on 3.

And what was your reason for voting for him on Day 1?
23 voted for me yesterday? That bastage!

All that said, I'll be in and out, brought the laptop down by the xbox. I'm voting kwhit, not because of any analysis, not because he's wrong, but because he's voted for me. Too easy.

VOTE KWHIT

[ntndeacon]

My vote yesterday was to ensure a tie, nothing more, nothing less, didn't matter to me WHO was tied, simply that I voted to maintain the tie, and as has been pointed out a number of folks could have changed that outcome anyway and did not do so.



This keeping a tie to force others to vote works when you leave them time to do so, but not when your tieing vote comes only 4 minutes before the deadline.

[Poli]

The more I think about it, the more I grow concerned about kwhit. Apparently he wanted me out yesterday as well, for the same reason, and now wants me out because I'm "not contributing".

That's cool. I mean, more time for football for me and all. However, you gain nothing in knowledge by lynching me, and in effect, help the wolves by killing a rock solid villager. My lynch doesn't provide any insight as to who I voted for or against or anything along that line.

It's win win for the wolves, which leads me to wonder about the k of whit.

[Barkeep49]

I'm voting kwhit, not because of any analysis, not because he's wrong, but because he's voted for me. Too easy.

The AE we all know so well. It is interesting as KWhit is now tied for the vote lead (though it's obviously still early) and neither person has really expressed the thought that he's a wolf. Unlike the other person with two votes. Just saying...

[Poli]

?

[Poli]

I vote by emotion. That's how I do it. ;)

[Barkeep49]

The more I think about it, the more I grow concerned about kwhit. Apparently he wanted me out yesterday as well, for the same reason, and now wants me out because I'm "not contributing".

That's cool. I mean, more time for football for me and all. However, you gain nothing in knowledge by lynching me, and in effect, help the wolves by killing a rock solid villager. My lynch doesn't provide any insight as to who I voted for or against or anything along that line.

It's win win for the wolves, which leads me to wonder about the k of whit.
Ardent don't you think you're kind of succumbing to the natural reaction of people to think that those who are against them are wolves?

[Barkeep49]

I vote by emotion. That's how I do it. ;)
I know buddy :)

[LoneStarGirl]

Honestly I am more intrigued by the Alant / Lathum argument than anything. I just don't know what side to go off of. At first I was all with Lathum thinking he had solid reasoning, but like usual, Alant swooped in and poked holes in his argument. I will not vote for BulletSponge and I am going to give Ardent some time to talk his way out of this situation before I vote for him.... so I might need some more time

[Poli]

Ardent don't you think you're kind of succumbing to the natural reaction of people to think that those who are against them are wolves?
It's very possible, but for two days he's done it. I haven't been around to defend myself. It should be pretty clear lynching me provides no information whatsoever...it is to me, anyhow.

[Poli]

Honestly I am more intrigued by the Alant / Lathum argument than anything. I just don't know what side to go off of. At first I was all with Lathum thinking he had solid reasoning, but like usual, Alant swooped in and poked holes in his argument. I will not vote for BulletSponge and I am going to give Ardent some time to talk his way out of this situation before I vote for him.... so I might need some more time
You might as well start voting for me. I'm not trying to read the entire thread to figure out what's going on just so I can defend myself.

[LoneStarGirl]

You might as well start voting for me. I'm not trying to read the entire thread to figure out what's going on just so I can defend myself.

I think defending yourself is part of the game. If you don't want to take the time defending yourself, why why play?

vote ardent enthusiast

[LoneStarGirl]

not 'why why play' but then why play?

[Poli]

Normally, I would...but NCAA is calling my name...that and I have FOFC/IHOF softball tonight.

[Poli]

so...I'm leaving in about 3.5 hours.

[Barkeep49]

As of 497:
Alan – Lathum (380)
Render – ntn (425)
Bullet – barkeep(429), telle (479)
Kwhit – twothree (425), ardent (483)
Ardent – Kwhit (469), LSG (494)
Lathum – Alan (471)

Not Yet Voted: Jonathan Ezarik, st. cronin, Chief Rum, RendeR, path12, Swaggs, bulletsponge,

[st.cronin]

I'll be voting for one of these players:

ardent enthusiast
bulletsponge
RendeR

Unlike Lathum, I didn't find Alan T's play particularly suspicious. To me it fit right in with the way he usually plays. I'm not sure what to think about Kwhit - can somebody explain the argument against him, cause I think I missed it.

[Swaggs]

Just caught up.

I am actually a little bummed that AE has already received some votes, because I don't want it to look like I am piling on, but I feel like he is either a replicant of me or tanglewood made a mistake in sending out a duplicate message.

I am going to go ahead and champion the case against him. I am just a simple human, with no other skills, so it won't be a huge loss if I end up looking bad and get shipped to Mars.

Vote Ardent Enthusiast