WW IL - Do Werewolves Dream of Electric Sheep? Game Over, page 36

[tanglewood]

Hello everybody. Those that remember me it;s good to be back. Thank you to Alan T for his impeccable timing on ending his game on the exact day I come back from my holiday. ;)

This game, as you may have guessed from the title, will be based on the Phillip K. Dick short story "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" and the Ridley Scott film (and my personal favourite film of all-time) Blade Runner. It will take elements from both, but mainly draw from the film.

The game itself will be of at least medium level complexity. The rules are still being ironed out at the moment, I will put them up in full in a few days rather than post them in drips and drabs. Numbers shouldn't be an issue, although I think we'll need at least 15 or so players but we should get that (not sure how well games have been drawing of late). I can understand if some people want to wait until the ruleset is posted before putting their name down but it should be fun anyway.

One thing, as some of you will know I live in the UK, so am at least 5 hours ahead of most of you. This means that deadlines for the end of days will likely be earlier than usual for WW, 9pm EST at the latest. Just bear that in mind and if it would be a serious problem then PM me or something and I'll see if I can sort it out.

Player List

1. Alan T
2. Jonathan Ezarik - Human, Sebastian, Killed Night 6
3. st. cronin - Human, Killed Night 3
4. Chief Rum
5. Barkeep49 - Exiled to Mars, Day 5
6. LoneStarGirl - Exiled to Mars, Day 7
7. Lathum
8. RendeR - Exiled to Mars, Day 6
9. path12
10. Passacaglia - Human, Killed Night 1
11. Swaggs - Exiled to Mars, Day 4
12. Telle
13. DaddyTorgo - Exiled to Mars, Day 1
14. KWhit - Human, Killed Night 2
15. bulletsponge - Exiled to Mars, Day 2
16. ntndeacon - Human, Killed Night 5
17. twothree
18. ardent enthusiast - Exiled to Mars, Day 3

Background

The year is 2019 and humanity has colonised the solar system. However, work on these colonies is dangerous and degrading so is performed by 'replicants', genetically engineered beings that posses superior strength, stamina, dexterity and technical skill to any human. The first replicants were merely crude robotic machines that had little autonomy, but the technology has progressed to the extent that the newest Nexus-6 models are virtually indistinguishable from an adult human and also posses an acute intellect and cognitive ability. This caused problems as it was discovered the longer these newer models 'lived', the more life expereince gained, the greater they started to question their submission to their human masters. After a bloody rebellion of hundereds of Nexus-6 units on Mars was eventually defeated at great cost, two measures were put in place by the manufacturers to prevent such troublesome scenarios occuring in future. Firstly all replicants were banned from Earth, restriced solely to the off-world colonies. Secondly, all advanced Nexus-6 models are now fitted with built in 4-year lifespan to prevent them from developing their own "emotional responses". It has worked perfectly. So far...

It has been reported that 3 Nexus-6 replicants nearing their decommision age have hijacked a shuttle on Mars and have made it successfully to Earth. Their goal seems to be to find their designer, the head of the Tyrell Corporation conglomorate, and use him to deactivate their fail-safe switches, allowing them to extend their lives. The local police department have been informed of the situation and now have the service of at least one 'Blade Runner', a government agent who specialises in 'retiring' rouge replicants. These replicants must be dealt with quickly and efficiently before they can cause any sustainable damage.

Game Rules

There are two teams, the humans (villagers) and the replicants (wolves). Each day every player must cast a vote for one other player whom they wish to sent to the Mars off-world colony and thus removed from the game. Players are not allowed to proxy their vote. Players are not allowed to abstain from voting. Players who consistently fail to vote without a reasonable explaination will either be replaced or removed from the game.

Various players also posses roles which allow them to take actions at night. They will PM me, the GM, and these roles will be processed simultaneously and the results posted at the morning of the next day's voting.

The humans win when they eliminate all of the replicants, either through violent termination or by shipping them to Mars, or by surviving long enough that the replicants' killswitch activates before deactivivating it. The replicants win either when they gain 1:1 parity with the remaining humans or if they find both the players designated Tyrell and Sebastian.

Some players will have special roles. There may or may not be other roles in the game listed than those that follow here. There may or may not be other powers that certain roles possess other than what are listed here.

Replicants - One of the three replicants that have escaped from Mars, they each come in their won flavour.

Leon is a Mental-C model, i.e. not very bright, but is built for mining and manual labour thus is very strong. If he is terminated violently he will kill his attacker also.

Priss is a pleasure model built for military 'duties' who can use her irresitable seduction techniques to learn any other player's role.

Roy Batty is the leader of the rouge Replicants and is a Mental-A model, thus possessing intelligence equal or even perhaps greater than that of the very best humans. However it is his superhuman strength that makes him dangerous, allowing him to kill other players at night.

Humans - The humans have several roles which aid them in their quest to root out the replicants.

Deckard is an grizzled Blade Runner who can administer Voight-Kampff tests, the only way to 100% differentiate between humans and replicants. He can also violently terminate other players.

Holden is a young, inexperienced Blade Runner. He is trained in the Voight-Kampff tests but is not as handy with a pistol as Deckard.

Gaff is a member of the police department who can watch over players and guide them away from replicant attempts on their life.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell is the head of Tyrell Corp., the massive company that manufactures replicants. Batty believes that he can help deactivate the killswitch.

J.F. Sebastian is the cheif designer at Tyrell Corp., another individual Batty believes can help the replicants in their cause.

One note that is important and unusual in this game is that roles and alliegences are not revealed for players who are shiped off to Mars. Any player who is violently killed at night by the Replicants or by a Blade Runner will have whether they are a human or replicant stated. However, they will not have their role, if any, stated.

All human players are forbidden from communicating with each about the game other via PM, IM or any other device unless specifically given permission in advance by me. The replicants may communicate amongst themselves freely.

I reserve the right to modify, clarify, reveal or change any rules as the game progresses.

DAY 1 DEADLINE FOR VOTES - 9PM EST

[Alan T]

Sure, I'll play.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

In.

[st.cronin]

In!

[Chief Rum]

In.

[Passacaglia]

When does the game start?

[tanglewood]

When does the game start?

Knew I forgot something...

I'll set a provisional date of Tuesday 17th for the first day of play.

[Passacaglia]

Okay, then I'm in.

[Swaggs]

I actually had to read this book for a college class I took.

I'm in.

[Barkeep49]

In.
Glad to have you back.

I can play this one.

[LoneStarGirl]

I told Jonathan he had to come back to play... I also messaged him on his birthday, I am his new best friend ;)

Anyway, I am in... I hate that we have to wait a week to get going though, some of us will go through withdrawals!

[hoopsguy]

Won't be able to make that start date - sorry to miss both of your games, Tanglewood.

I'll be following along.

[Lathum]

Glad to see JE back in the fold.

Do you have to have knowledge of the movie/ book?

either way I am in.

[RendeR]

Lemme at'em!!

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I told Jonathan he had to come back to play... I also messaged him on his birthday, I am his new best friend ;)

I'll try not to vote for you on day one. That's the least I can do for my new best friend. :D

[Jonathan Ezarik]

This game, as you may have guessed from the title, will be based on the Asimov short story Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep and the Ridley Scott film (and my personal favourite film of all-time) Blade Runner.

Pardon my geekness here, but it was actually Philip K. Dick who wrote Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?. Excellent book and a great movie.

[path12]

Sign me up.

[tanglewood]

Pardon my geekness here, but it was actually Philip K. Dick who wrote Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?. Excellent book and a great movie.

Oops....

[LoneStarGirl]

Pardon my geekness here, but it was actually Philip K. Dick who wrote Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?. Excellent book and a great movie.

Hey best friend, don't piss off the game host before the game starts!

[Passacaglia]

look, tangle, I know you're pissed off and all now, but don't take it out on me!

[Passacaglia]

And Swaggs, for that matter.

[Swaggs]

And Swaggs, for that matter.

Maybe we got jbmagiced and are ghost posting. :)

[Alan T]

I think its the first sign that you both are evil and are the wolves. I fully intend to vote for both of you multiple times on day 1 because of this.

[Passacaglia]

Or maybe it's part of the game. No one knows we're playing, then...BAM! We get suddenly revealed as players, then everyone has to go back and read all of our old posts that they couldn't see before.

[Passacaglia]

Heh, right. Next thing you know, he'll forget to put wolves in the game. Then we'll all wonder why there's no night kills.

[LoneStarGirl]

Haha you guys make me giggle

[Telle]

Is this game going to be too complicated for a newbie?

[path12]

Is this game going to be too complicated for a newbie?

Best thing to do is just jump right in. Feel free to ask if questions come up. And always remember that path is a villager.

[Telle]

And always remember that path is a villager.

Except when you're not? :)

Ok, I'm in.

[Barkeep49]

Is this game going to be too complicated for a newbie?
Also I think that in some ways a complicated game is better than a simple game because everyone is feeling confused.

[LoneStarGirl]

Also I think that in some ways a complicated game is better than a simple game because everyone is feeling confused.


Path and I always feel confused.

[LoneStarGirl]

So we need 5 more people. Hoops and Barkeep, do your thing and invite some old people back

[Lathum]

Path and I always feel confused.

+1

[Alan T]

So we need 5 more people. Hoops and Barkeep, do your thing and invite some old people back

I'll invite Path back, he's pretty old! (or older than me at least!) :) :) :) :) :) :)

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm in

[tanglewood]

look, tangle, I know you're pissed off and all now, but don't take it out on me!

I read that a few times and had to think a worrying amount before I realised what you were refering to there. :)

[Barkeep49]

Tangle are we going to be able to run this game with less than 15? I ask because 15 seems to be the upper end of what we can support at the moment in a game.

[tanglewood]

Tangle are we going to be able to run this game with less than 15? I ask because 15 seems to be the upper end of what we can support at the moment in a game.

Yeah, I can scale it. It will mean that a higher percentage of the players in the game than usual will have active roles, which means more fun for individual players but may unbalance the game in the favour of one side in particular. As said I haven't fully decided on the entirety of the rules yet so I can still make changes. Regardless, it should be very interesting.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well we have 13.... it would be nice if somebody could persuade Tyrth, Swaggs, neon chaos, kwhit or SNDVLS to come back for a game or too... but we still have NTN and ardent who will sign up I bet... so we should make 15.

[Lathum]

Tanglewood may want to put a thread in the GD forum

[Swaggs]

Well we have 13.... it would be nice if somebody could persuade Tyrth, Swaggs, neon chaos, kwhit or SNDVLS to come back for a game or too... but we still have NTN and ardent who will sign up I bet... so we should make 15.

Wait a minute!

Am I really ghostbanned?

[Chief Rum]

Wait a minute!

Am I really ghostbanned?

Yes. Good thing I had my ghost glasses on.

[Alan T]

I had kind of hoped Swaggs would play too. I guess he's tired of us all here or something. We should all go visit his FTB thread and ask him why he doesn't want to play.

[KWhit]

I'll play in this one.

[Barkeep49]

I'll play in this one.
Great to have you back.

[Lathum]

well if we don't have swaggs at least Kwhit is playing

[Swaggs]

Sonofa...!!!

[Lathum]

So are we gonna start early if we get enough people. I think a monday night 1 would be great, it would reduce spill over into the weekend and subsequent dead time.

[Alan T]

Every time I read the title of this thread, I keep seeing the letters as WLIX and thinking of a tv station.

[KWhit]

Great to have you back.

Thanks.

[bulletsponge]

with the nudging of a fellow redneck (who will remain nameless) i too will play this game. now to cross my fingers and hope i get to eat some fools MUHAHAHAHAHA

[LoneStarGirl]

with the nudging of a fellow redneck (who will remain nameless) i too will play this game. now to cross my fingers and hope i get to eat some fools MUHAHAHAHAHA

I am not a redneck! *pout* but I do have long red hair.... so nobody really knows what color my neck is *shrug*

Good to have you in BS!

[LoneStarGirl]

woohoo 16 players! lets get it on

[bulletsponge]

I am not a redneck! *pout* but I do have long red hair.... so nobody really knows what color my neck is *shrug*

Good to have you in BS!

oooohhh a redneck chick with long red hair :cool:

[ntndeacon]

if there is more room I will bring my villager self into it.

[Swaggs]

If there is room, I'd like to play in this game, too.

[Chief Rum]

Someone should PM Swaggs and see if he can drag himself away from his FTB duties to play. I heard rumor he read this book in college.

[Barkeep49]

Someone should PM Swaggs and see if he can drag himself away from his FTB duties to play. I heard rumor he read this book in college.
I sent him a PM already Chief, but he never responded. He must think he's too good for us now.

[LoneStarGirl]

Poor Swaggs.

[twothree]

If there is still room... I will also play in this one.

[Lathum]

we need to get this game going!!!

[RendeR]

Man, we just can't start without Swaggs though.....

[LoneStarGirl]

Who is this twothree person? I am glad we have some newbies in this game.... more people for Hoopsguy to intimidate. ;)

[hoopsguy]

Who, me? I like intimidating vets more than newbies ;)

[twothree]

Who is this twothree person? I am glad we have some newbies in this game.... more people for Hoopsguy to intimidate. ;)

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=52084

That was the only other werewolf game, I have played. That was eleven months ago. So, not a total newbie, but probably quite a bit rusty.

[Chief Rum]

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=52084

That was the only other werewolf game, I have played. That was eleven months ago. So, not a total newbie, but probably quite a bit rusty.

I remember that one well.

[Barkeep49]

A friend of tangle's then? Excited to play with you.

[LoneStarGirl]

Wow, I never knew Chubby, Fozzie, Real Dealor GreyRooFoo ever played.... What happened to them? Did hoops scare them off? ;)

Plus I haven't seen BrianD, king, mustang and Anxiety in awhile... We need to move Werewolf back to the main thread so we can get some of these players back in the game.

[LoneStarGirl]

Lathum, where has Saldana been lately? I think he has played in every game I have except for the last one.

[Lathum]

Lathum, where has Saldana been lately? I think he has played in every game I have except for the last one.

he doesn't play as much because he has work and 2 young daughters he like to spend time with. PLus he is going away next weekend.

[Neon_Chaos]

hoops is an evil evil man.

Anyway, I want to say that I want to play... but I really don't. not after that disappointing return game of mine.

I guess I don't like complex games at all. Vanilla all the way.

[KWhit]

And where is Swaggs? We should try to get him to sign up.

[hoopsguy]

And where is Swaggs? We should try to get him to sign up.

Maybe I scared him off? :confused:

[RendeR]

Maybe I scared him off? :confused:


Naw, I think that last disemboweling really killed him this time....poor swaggs.

[path12]

Who is this Swaggs guy everyone is talking about?

[Swaggs]

Let's see if this works....

*in his best saldana voice*

Sounds good. I'm in!

[hoopsguy]

Saldana is in? I thought Lathum said he was looking after his baby girls at home? This thread is confusing.

[Passacaglia]

Damn, I was really hoping to vote for Swaggs. It's weird, he seemed so vocal in the last game, passing things and making potions and really working with the team. And now, it's like he's not even here at all.

Anyway, twothree is also the Ohio State coach in the BBCF! But it's okay, we should let him play anyway.

[LoneStarGirl]

Are we going to start today or wait until tomorrow?

[KWhit]

Saldana is in? I thought Lathum said he was looking after his baby girls at home? This thread is confusing.

Did you mess up the pronouns in that thread or what?

Saldana's a chick, right?

[Lathum]

Saldana is not playing.

[Passacaglia]

I'm a wolf, so I'm going to vote for saldana.

[hoopsguy]

Did you mess up the pronouns in that thread or what?

Saldana's a chick, right?

I'm clearly not talented enough to make fun of more than one person in a post at the same time :( Too bad we can't edit posts in Werewolf threads ...

[Barkeep49]

I think this thread shows why we need to start games quickly. Otherwise we seem to get a little restless.

And I believe Tangle had said the plan was to send out PMs tonight and start play tomorrow.

[tanglewood]

Just typing up the rules now, then PMs will go out and play can begin. First voting deadline will be 9pm EST Tuesday.

[DaddyTorgo]

game on? hot

[Lathum]

about time :)

[Poli]

Rats, I was almost "in". Dang.

[Poli]

PS, hook me up, yo, if you can.

[tanglewood]

Ardent you are in, don't worry.

Rules are up, PMs are going out now. Play will start when I give the singal!

[Alan T]

Got my pm and checking in.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Got my pm and checking in.

Hmm. Checking in before the game actually starts? Sounds like a replicant to me... :)

[RendeR]

Alan is always a wolf/...err replicant....or...sumthin....

[st.cronin]

pm received

I'm not a big fan of the no role reveal post-lynch.

[RendeR]

pm received

I'm not a big fan of the no role reveal post-lynch.

Just makes it that much harder on the villagers =) no easy gimme's.

[Poli]

Ardent, the tennis star human, checking in.

[RendeR]

Ardent, the tennis star human, checking in.


You play Tennis AE?

[RendeR]

Damn, I coulda swore I just saw Swaggs....but there's nothin there....

[RendeR]

PM recieved, Let the Human train form up behind MOI!

[Swaggs]

Suckers!

PM received. :)

[RendeR]

SWAGGS! Dude, we thought...phew, good to have you back man!


;)

[Telle]

Finally got my PM.. and luckily I'm human for my first game so I hopefully won't get too confused!

[Telle]

And where did this Swaggs person come from?!??

[tanglewood]

Okay all PMs are out. (Or at least should be, inform me if you haven't recieved one).


And there is a good reason for the non-role reveal in this game. Firstly, without it the game would be too far unbalanced in favour of the humans. Secondly, it's Blade Runner, the mystery and doubt is part of the theme. :)

DAY ONE VOTE DEADLINE - 9PM EST

[st.cronin]

Oh I understand its a balance issue tangle. If I were a wolf I'd be ecstatic.

[Alan T]

I also would like to say that Tanglewood almost described my ex-wife perfectly in my role PM.

[RendeR]

I also would like to say that Tanglewood almost described my ex-wife perfectly in my role PM.


OK, I'm gonna jump right in, Alan tipped his hand here giving me to believe that his EX-wife was NOT human (as all ex-wifes are known to be inhuman lifesucking world destroyers) I will:

VOTE ALAN T



He is Obviously a Replicant.

[Barkeep49]

Render's that's some grade A insight and analysis. That was what I was talking about a couple games back.

[st.cronin]

Deckard is an grizzled Blade Runner who can administer Voight-Kampff tests, the only way to 100% differentiate between humans and replicants. He can also violently terminate other players.

Holden is a young, inexperienced Blade Runner. He is trained in the Voight-Kampff tests but is not as handy with a pistol as Deckard.

Gaff is a member of the police department who can watch over players and guide them away from replicant attempts on their life.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell is the head of Tyrell Corp., the massive company that manufactures replicants. Batty believes that he can help deactivate the killswitch.

J.F. Sebastian is the cheif designer at Tyrell Corp., another individual Batty believes can help the replicants in their cause.


So ...

Deckard and Holden - seer/assasin types

Gaff - bodybuard

Tyrell and Sebastian are human, right? But in game terms they appear to be useful to the replicants. I'm not sure I understand how they work in the game.

[Lathum]

human checking in

[Alan T]

OK, I'm gonna jump right in, Alan tipped his hand here giving me to believe that his EX-wife was NOT human (as all ex-wifes are known to be inhuman lifesucking world destroyers) I will:

VOTE ALAN T



He is Obviously a Replicant.

In fact, the girl described in my PM seemed to be very obviously not human. Sounds like a good plan. I obviously am evil. So everyone come out and vote me. Its just the strategy I would use.

[twothree]

Okay all PMs are out. (Or at least should be, inform me if you haven't recieved one).

PM received.

[Swaggs]

I may as well bring this up now, rather than sit on it.

Did anyone else get a message that included future tennis stardom, besides Ardent and myself?

I was explicitly told in my PM that I am a human, so I think it is strange for another human to have the same (presumably) memories that I do. Replicants are programmed to have "memories" in the book, so I'm thinking that either Ardent is a replicant or there could be something funky with us having similar (possibly the same) childhood memories.

[bulletsponge]

wolf checking in *starts licking himself*

[Alan T]

I may as well bring this up now, rather than sit on it.

Did anyone else get a message that included future tennis stardom, besides Ardent and myself?

I was explicitly told in my PM that I am a human, so I think it is strange for another human to have the same (presumably) memories that I do. Replicants are programmed to have "memories" in the book, so I'm thinking that either Ardent is a replicant or there could be something funky with us having similar (possibly the same) childhood memories.

Nope, not me at all. Mine was about some hot girl that turned into a spider. I have no clue what it means.

[st.cronin]

I may as well bring this up now, rather than sit on it.

Did anyone else get a message that included future tennis stardom, besides Ardent and myself?

I was explicitly told in my PM that I am a human, so I think it is strange for another human to have the same (presumably) memories that I do. Replicants are programmed to have "memories" in the book, so I'm thinking that either Ardent is a replicant or there could be something funky with us having similar (possibly the same) childhood memories.

I had nothing like that at all.

[st.cronin]

Vote RendeR

This is a vengeance vote, for killing me night 2 last game. I'm interested in exploring the Swaggs-ardent thing, but not with a day 1 vote, not when roles don't get revealed.

[LoneStarGirl]

I got my pm and mine said that I got a bike!

[RendeR]

Vote RendeR

This is a vengeance vote, for killing me night 2 last game. I'm interested in exploring the Swaggs-ardent thing, but not with a day 1 vote, not when roles don't get revealed.


Wait, I didn't kill you, you were strangled weren't you? That was Ardent's doing.


I am the Disemboweler.

[st.cronin]

Well, at any rate I'm avoiding ardent for today. I'd like to give the blade runners a chance to clear him and/or swaggs. But I wanted to vote for one of the wolves from the last game.

[RendeR]

Well thats just silly, Why rub our proverbial noses in it? YOU WON =)

Sounds like sour grapes to me, and no-one knows sour grapes better than a replicant, since they only get to live 4 yearsthey're about as soured on life as you get.

Someone vote St. Cronin, QUICK!

He's obviously a replicant.

[DaddyTorgo]

got my PM. need to read the rules/setup info.

[DaddyTorgo]

ok. i'm a human being.

[st.cronin]

ok. i'm a human being.

You needed to read the rules to figure that out?

[RendeR]

You needed to read the rules to figure that out?


The rules did say the one replicant wasn't all that bright, I'd say this is hard evidence that:

DADDYTORGO IS A REPLICANT!!

[RendeR]

So there you have it, St Cronin, DaddyTorgo and Alan T are the replicants.


Do I win?

[st.cronin]

So there you have it, St Cronin, DaddyTorgo and Alan T are the replicants.


Do I win?

You're no LoneStarGirl.

[ntndeacon]

I have recieved my pm and am human.

[path12]

Human checking in. I thought we were starting tomorrow. I need to read the rules......damn Trukz. :)

[Lathum]

VOTE HOOPSGUY

as promised

[RendeR]

Didn't you people read ANYTHING I said?? ;)

[RendeR]

You're no LoneStarGirl.


Well duh, she's a hot female with red hair and apparently a non-red-neck, I'm a 30-something fat white guy....no contest, she kicks my ass =)

[Chief Rum]

Got my PM, and I'm a human. I'll have to review the rule set when I get the chance. I'm checking in and out for right now, though, as I have to get to bed. I work both jobs tomorrow, but my second job starts particularly late, so I will have time to check in before deadline. Good luck, everyone.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Human here. I'm also interested in this AE/Swaggs tennis thing, so I won't be voting for either of them (yet). And since I have to vote for someone:

VOTE DADDYTORGO

Why do you need to read the rules to see that you're a human?

Today and tomorrow I work from 6:00 AM to 5 central and then I go to the gym, so I won't be around all day (FOFC is blocked at work). I hope to be on before the deadline, but I don't know for sure.

[KWhit]

Normal human checking in.

[KWhit]

So Deckard and Holden can tell who is a Replicant and who isn't. Due to the strange nature of their similar dreams, I suggest that they scan Swaggs and Ardent today (or tonight - not sure if it's a day action or night action).

And just to avoid the possibility of them both scanning the same guy, I'll through out this proposal:

Deckard scans Swaggs.
Holden scans Ardent.

I know it's early, but I wanted to through this out for discussion at least. It's something tangible to start with, which is extremely rare for day one.

I also think it speaks well of Swaggs' human-ness that he came out and mentioned the dream similarity. If he was a replicant (and knew that he was), I seriously doubt he would have brought that to our attention.

[Telle]

You needed to read the rules to figure that out?

I'm going to guess that he has one of the special roles and needed to find out if he should/could reveal that.

[Barkeep49]

It's interesting since there is a replicant who can scan people. To me that only increases the odds that DT is a bad guy. Last time he seemed to slip up on Day 1 we let him go. I don't want to make that mistake again.

Vote DT

[Barkeep49]

Also I am going to assume that there is a role out there who finds out if people sent to Mars are good or not. If so I would hope that role would take pains to ensure that if they are at risk of being lynched/killed that they give their info away. Frankly it seems that without that sort of info we'll be going at this game rather blindly.

[Telle]

I'm not understanding your logic, Barkeep. What makes you think that DT would be the replicant who can scan people?

[st.cronin]

So Deckard and Holden can tell who is a Replicant and who isn't. Due to the strange nature of their similar dreams, I suggest that they scan Swaggs and Ardent today (or tonight - not sure if it's a day action or night action).

And just to avoid the possibility of them both scanning the same guy, I'll through out this proposal:

Holden scans Swaggs.
Deckard scans Ardent.

I know it's early, but I wanted to through this out for discussion at least. It's something tangible to start with, which is extremely rare for day one.

I also think it speaks well of Swaggs' human-ness that he came out and mentioned the dream similarity. If he was a replicant (and knew that he was), I seriously doubt he would have brought that to our attention.

Do you think its possible for a replicant to not know he's a replicant?

[st.cronin]

Also I am going to assume that there is a role out there who finds out if people sent to Mars are good or not. If so I would hope that role would take pains to ensure that if they are at risk of being lynched/killed that they give their info away. Frankly it seems that without that sort of info we'll be going at this game rather blindly.

If you are killed, your role is revealed, so we will be able to go through your posts and possibly figure out what you knew. So my suggestion is to reveal if you are likely to be lynched, but not if you think you are likely to be killed.

[Barkeep49]

Do you think its possible for a replicant to not know he's a replicant?
That would be in keeping with the movie, I believe though I haven't read the book.

[Barkeep49]

I'm not understanding your logic, Barkeep. What makes you think that DT would be the replicant who can scan people?
Since his message could have referred to scanning people (a seer role) something that is good, but also killing people (something that is bad). Only when reading the roles and seeing that there was a replicant who could do both did he realize he was good. I'm leaning to this over the Decker explanation since being Decker would make it obvious that you were a good guy. I am, however, willing to entertain that explanation and move my vote.

[Telle]

Since his message could have referred to scanning people (a seer role) something that is good, but also killing people (something that is bad). Only when reading the roles and seeing that there was a replicant who could do both did he realize he was good. I'm leaning to this over the Decker explanation since being Decker would make it obvious that you were a good guy. I am, however, willing to entertain that explanation and move my vote.

But what if he's Tyrell or Sebastian? He'd know that he was human but without reading the rules wouldn't know if he should mention his name. I'm thinking that it wasn't that he didn't know if he was human or a replicant, but just wasn't sure how much info to give when he said he was human until he read the rules.

[Passacaglia]

Human checking in. I just woke up after having some crazy dream about New York City.

[KWhit]

Do you think its possible for a replicant to not know he's a replicant?

I think it's possible. At this point, I'm not ruling out anything.

[Barkeep49]

But what if he's Tyrell or Sebastian? He'd know that he was human but without reading the rules wouldn't know if he should mention his name. I'm thinking that it wasn't that he didn't know if he was human or a replicant, but just wasn't sure how much info to give when he said he was human until he read the rules.
And in the Willy Wonka game he seemed to just carelessly use a pronoun. Later in the game he also posted where he all but admitted he was a wolf. I think DT slips up as a wolf and I see that post as a slip and want to take advantage of it.

[Swaggs]

Do you think its possible for a replicant to not know he's a replicant?

I think it is a possibility and something to consider.

Someone who read the book or saw the movie more recently will probably remember better, but if I recall correctly, Deckard's love interest is a replicant that does not realize she is not human because she has been given someone else's memories.

There is also the insinuation that Deckard could, himself, be a replicant. But that is kind of left open to interpretation.

[Telle]

And in the Willy Wonka game he seemed to just carelessly use a pronoun. Later in the game he also posted where he all but admitted he was a wolf. I think DT slips up as a wolf and I see that post as a slip and want to take advantage of it.

Or.. you're a replicant and trying to throw us off your trail by coming out strong, and in the process get a human sent off to Mars (and a potentially valuable human at that).

[bulletsponge]

Human checking in. I just woke up after having some crazy dream about New York City.

NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!

Vote Passacaglia

[Passacaglia]

Shouldn't that be Pace-acaglia?

[path12]

Shouldn't that be Pace-acaglia?

:D

I haven't read the story or seen the movie, so forgive me if I ask stupid questions.

Going back to st.cronin's thought, it seems unlikely to me that in a game with no role reveal for those shipped to Mars that there would be unclarity with someone knowing they are a replicant or not. But if there's a movie/book reason, that's different.

[KWhit]

It's interesting since there is a replicant who can scan people. To me that only increases the odds that DT is a bad guy. Last time he seemed to slip up on Day 1 we let him go. I don't want to make that mistake again.

The DT thing is weird. I agree.

But I think the more compelling information from today is the fact that Swaggs and Ardent seem to have the same dream/memories.

I think that HAS to mean one of them is a replicant. We need them both scanned, ASAP.

Again, here's my suggestion (just to make sure one of them isn't scanned twice):

Holden scans Swaggs.
Deckard scans Ardent.

Now, I don't think Holden and Deckard should reveal themselves or their findings yet. But at this point, I think we should focus our votes on one (or both) of those guys.

Swaggs is a bit more likely to be human, I believe, since he came out and said he had the same dream. That means it is very likely that he is either human or is a replicant who doesn't know it. So, I'm going to vote for Ardent.

VOTE ARDENT

[st.cronin]

Does anybody have any thoughts about what Tyrell and Sebastian may do for the wolves? I asked last night, but nobody has responded.

[RendeR]

The replicants believe those two can fix their shutdown timer so they can live forever.

[Telle]

Does anybody have any thoughts about what Tyrell and Sebastian may do for the wolves? I asked last night, but nobody has responded.

"The replicants win either when they gain 1:1 parity with the remaining humans or if they find both the players designated Tyrell and Sebastian."

Although I'm not sure what "find" means. Do they have to know who the identity of each is, or do they have to capture them or something? And what happens if they know who one is but then we send that person off to Mars?

[Passacaglia]

Without thinking about it too much, I'd think it would be hard to find someone sent off to Mars.

[Passacaglia]

Which is maybe why roles aren't revealed in that case?

[Telle]

I meant if they're sent off to Mars AFTER the replicants figure out who they are. Basically relates to my question of whether they just need to know who those two people are or if they need to actually take some action.

[Swaggs]

I will, most likely, be back before the deadline, but I want to get a vote out in case I am not.

Vote DT

A day one vote, so anything goes, but I am a little in agreement with Barkeep here.

[KWhit]

Am I the only one that thinks it odd and highly suspicious that Ardent and Swaggs have the same memories/dreams?

[path12]

Am I the only one that thinks it odd and highly suspicious that Ardent and Swaggs have the same memories/dreams?

I find it strange because there doesn't seem to have been any other doubles, but I'm not sure if it means anything or not. I tend to trust that Swiggs fella for coming out with it after Ardent already did -- but I guess it's as good a point as any to start with on scans.

[LoneStarGirl]

You're no LoneStarGirl.

:p

[st.cronin]

Am I the only one that thinks it odd and highly suspicious that Ardent and Swaggs have the same memories/dreams?

As I've said, I do find it interesting. Path points out that there haven't been any other doubles, but we don't really know that - I think only Alan and Pass have described their dreams, other than those two. Also, for the sake of argument, ardent never said his comment was a reference to a dream, it could be a reference to something else.

[LoneStarGirl]

I haven't read the book or seen the movie, so this game might be a little over my head, so forgive me up front...

It seems that there is a lot more going on this day one than normal day ones.

And I described my dream, it only said I got a bike.

[Alan T]

As I've said, I do find it interesting. Path points out that there haven't been any other doubles, but we don't really know that - I think only Alan and Pass have described their dreams, other than those two. Also, for the sake of argument, ardent never said his comment was a reference to a dream, it could be a reference to something else.

Well considering Render wanted to vote for anyone who shared their dreams as a replicant, I understand why others have been hesitant to do so thus far. It seems pretty obvious that the dream is sort of "out there" from nature, so I wouldn't have been too shocked if others had very off the wall dreams. I didn't just vote right back at Render for it, but I am curious to why he didn't have such a vivid dream of any such. Was I the only one who had quite a weird dream?

I've never read the books or seen the movie, so maybe I am just missing something here.

[ntndeacon]

Several people have described their dream. Pass said his was of New York. None of them matched mine. I keep dreaming of my dad.

[st.cronin]

I don't have any memory of my dream, other than that it was a sex dream - tangle left all details out.

My concern about the ardent thing is that its just too easy. It doesn't feel like the way a gm would set up the game.

[Lathum]

I was in San Diego in my dream. It also mentioned a giant ping pong ball and Janice Joplin?

I also have never read the book or seen the movie

[Telle]

I don't have any memory of my dream, other than that it was a sex dream - tangle left all details out.

My concern about the ardent thing is that its just too easy. It doesn't feel like the way a gm would set up the game.

Actually, that sounds like my dream too.

[ntndeacon]

anyone dreaming of Janis playing ping pong must be bad. She preferred regular tennis.

Vote Lathum

[Lathum]

anyone dreaming of Janis playing ping pong must be bad. She preferred regular tennis.

Vote Lathum

care to share your dream?

[Lathum]

dola- in more detail?

[ntndeacon]

sure but my vote had nothing to do with my dream, Lathum

[ntndeacon]

my dream was about my dad at the lake. I was trying to keep him near me but he left anyway.

[Lathum]

NTN will be my vote tomorrow.

[Alan T]

NTN will be my vote tomorrow.

I don't get it.. I didnt get his vote for you either though... But if you feel strongly about that why arent you making him your vote today? Why are you waiting till tommorrow?

[st.cronin]

I don't get it.. I didnt get his vote for you either though... But if you feel strongly about that why arent you making him your vote today? Why are you waiting till tommorrow?

+1

[twothree]

I may as well bring this up now, rather than sit on it.

Did anyone else get a message that included future tennis stardom, besides Ardent and myself?

I was explicitly told in my PM that I am a human, so I think it is strange for another human to have the same (presumably) memories that I do. Replicants are programmed to have "memories" in the book, so I'm thinking that either Ardent is a replicant or there could be something funky with us having similar (possibly the same) childhood memories.

I did not get a message that included future tennis stardom. Also, ardent enthusiast posted that he was a tennis star human, not that he had a memory about it.

[st.cronin]

I tend to trust that Swiggs fella for coming out with it after Ardent already did -- but I guess it's as good a point as any to start with on scans.

One thing that just occured to me is this cuts the other way too. Suppose you're ardent, and you're a wolf. Are you going to come right out and say what's in your pm? I'm thinking no, not unless somebody else does first. I actually think its equally likely that Swaggs is a wolf.

[twothree]

Am I the only one that thinks it odd and highly suspicious that Ardent and Swaggs have the same memories/dreams?

I don't see how you think Ardent posting, "Ardent, the tennis star human, checking in." means he had a memory/dream about being a human tennis star. Unless you only read Swaggs post and did not go back and read ardent enthusiast post.

[LoneStarGirl]

I am going to vote for Render because last game he showed what a great wolf he was and this game he started out by blaming three people on a whim. Of course there are over 6 hours left and I will be online so I can change this if need be

vote render

[Alan T]

One thing that just occured to me is this cuts the other way too. Suppose you're ardent, and you're a wolf. Are you going to come right out and say what's in your pm? I'm thinking no, not unless somebody else does first. I actually think its equally likely that Swaggs is a wolf.

I've come to the decision that I am taking the similar dream thing to be just white noise for us to siff through. That it speaks no less or more of Ardent or Swaggs's wolfishness. Since Telle came out stating she had a dream similar to someone else, it seems to suggest that others might have overlapping or at least similar dreams. I don't see any significance of what my dream was about to anything in the game, so I think they were put in for fun or for flavor.

People can vote for Ardent or Swaggs if they want, as its day 1 and I don't have anything else better to offer up, just stating what I feel about the similar dream theory.

[st.cronin]

I agree the dreams are most likely just flavor.

[Alan T]

Here are what people posted about their dreams:

1. Alan T - Dreamt of hot girl that turned into a spider
2. Jonathan Ezarik
3. st. cronin - sex dream
4. Chief Rum
5. Barkeep49
6. LoneStarGirl - Got a bike!
7. Lathum - in San Diego, janice joplin and a giant ping pong ball
8. RendeR
9. path12
10. Passacaglia - crazy dream of new york city
11. Swaggs - pm mentioned future tennis stardom.
12. Tele - St.cronin's dream sounded like her's
13. DaddyTorgo
14. KWhit
15. bulletsponge - Wolf checking in *starts licking himself* ?
16. ntndeacon - kept dreaming of his dad at the lake. Tried to keep him near but he left anyways
17. twothree
18. ardent enthusiast - tennis star human

[Lathum]

I don't get it.. I didnt get his vote for you either though... But if you feel strongly about that why arent you making him your vote today? Why are you waiting till tommorrow?

I feel I owe hoops

[Telle]

I feel I owe hoops

But Hoops isn't in this game. And the rules state that you MUST vote for a player each day.

[KWhit]

I've come to the decision that I am taking the similar dream thing to be just white noise for us to siff through. That it speaks no less or more of Ardent or Swaggs's wolfishness.

Well.... It's day 1, and 2 people having the same dream is more first day information than we have in 99% of ww games.

If we had any good reasons to vote for other people, then your post makes sense. It may very well be white noise, but it's a hell of a lot better than just a shot in the dark. Or a vote for someone based on him being a wolf in a previous game or something else like that.

And from what someone else said in the thread, in the book and movie replicants have humans' memories implanted in them. So it seems significant to me.

I guess I just don't understand why people would rather throw their vote out randomly when instead they could vote for something that is slightly suspicious.

[hoopsguy]

But Hoops isn't in this game. And the rules state that you MUST vote for a player each day.

Which is why I have shied away from sharing my dreams in this thread.

Catch you next game, Lathum.

[Telle]

Well.... It's day 1, and 2 people having the same dream is more first day information than we have in 99% of ww games.

If we had any good reasons to vote for other people, then your post makes sense. It may very well be white noise, but it's a hell of a lot better than just a shot in the dark. Or a vote for someone based on him being a wolf in a previous game or something else like that.

And from what someone else said in the thread, in the book and movie replicants have humans' memories implanted in them. So it seems significant to me.

I guess I just don't understand why people would rather throw their vote out randomly when instead they could vote for something that is slightly suspicious.

That makes sense. So I suppose we should continue to explore the dream angle, but not get so hung up on it as to ignore any other potential clues.

So let's hear your dreams Jonathan Ezarik, Chief Rum, Barkeep49, RendeR, path12, DaddyTorgo, KWhit, and twothree.

[ntndeacon]

I don't get it.. I didnt get his vote for you either though... But if you feel strongly about that why arent you making him your vote today? Why are you waiting till tommorrow?

mine was a random day one vote. I used his dream as some sort of rationale. However I don't have any rationale really.

[Lathum]

But Hoops isn't in this game. And the rules state that you MUST vote for a player each day.

hmm, i suppose that may be a problem.

UNVOTE HOOPSGUY
VOTE NTNDEACON

[twothree]

My dream was about watching the performance of a glamorous lady on a stage in Los Angeles.

And, now I am leaving for work, so...

vote KWhit

A day one vote. So, no real reason except for the fact I didn't like his logic about Ardent/Swaggs.

[path12]

I don't see how you think Ardent posting, "Ardent, the tennis star human, checking in." means he had a memory/dream about being a human tennis star. Unless you only read Swaggs post and did not go back and read ardent enthusiast post.

It sounds exactly like how Ardent would announce something like that IMO.

[Barkeep49]

My dream takes place on a mountain. MOre soon.

[path12]

So let's hear your dreams Jonathan Ezarik, Chief Rum, Barkeep49, RendeR, path12, DaddyTorgo, KWhit, and twothree.

I was a ranch hand in Texas and someone was stealing the cattle. I woke up with a foreboding of evil.

[Barkeep49]

Or.. you're a replicant and trying to throw us off your trail by coming out strong, and in the process get a human sent off to Mars (and a potentially valuable human at that).
Telle I would encourage you to skim through the last game. I came out far more aggressively in that game and was 100% human. So if anything people should be accusing me of being a replicant for not being as aggressive. Of course I've not been as aggressive since the piece of information for us to share, about dreams, is already being shared.

[Barkeep49]

I think I've only played one game, I believe, where there was no reveal on death and I don't remember that game at all (can't even think of what game it was). Anyone remember that game? I would love to see what we learned since the no reveal policy seems to be a HUGE villager handicap.

[LoneStarGirl]

But Hoops isn't in this game. And the rules state that you MUST vote for a player each day.

That is so funny... I didn't realize Hoops wasn't in this game either. We are just so used to him being involved in every game.

[Barkeep49]

I guess I just don't understand why people would rather throw their vote out randomly when instead they could vote for something that is slightly suspicious.
I agree (hence my DT vote) but am confused about what you think is slightly suspicious.

[LoneStarGirl]

Barkeep, sometimes you will post in a werewolf thread and you won't be one of the Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread. It is really weird, do you have some sort of Moderator powers that allows you to do this?

[Barkeep49]

That is so funny... I didn't realize Hoops wasn't in this game either. We are just so used to him being involved in every game.
I frankly find his non-involvement in this game very wolfish indeed and think it's a shame that the rules state we have to vote for a player. Seems like another wolf advantage :D

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, sometimes you will post in a werewolf thread and you won't be one of the Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread. It is really weird, do you have some sort of Moderator powers that allows you to do this?
Likely comes from the fact that I'm at work so I start composing a post and then have to do work but then come back and finish writing my post.

[Alan T]

Well.... It's day 1, and 2 people having the same dream is more first day information than we have in 99% of ww games.

If we had any good reasons to vote for other people, then your post makes sense. It may very well be white noise, but it's a hell of a lot better than just a shot in the dark. Or a vote for someone based on him being a wolf in a previous game or something else like that.

And from what someone else said in the thread, in the book and movie replicants have humans' memories implanted in them. So it seems significant to me.

I guess I just don't understand why people would rather throw their vote out randomly when instead they could vote for something that is slightly suspicious.

Kwhit, any particular reason you only quoted part of my sentence and answered it with stuff that I had already said?

[KWhit]

I agree (hence my DT vote) but am confused about what you think is slightly suspicious.

I find it suspicious that 2 players seem to have had the same dream. It was pointed out that in the short story, replicants have memories implanted in their heads from other humans.

I believe that the dreams mean something and it seems to suggest at least a possibility of one of them being a replicant.

[KWhit]

Kwhit, any particular reason you only quoted part of my sentence and answered it with stuff that I had already said?

Because it was the part of your post I wanted to respond to.

It's not like I took anything you said out of context or changed the meaning of your post by quoting part of it.

Your post was basically that you thought it was no big deal. I responded to that by basically saying, it's not much of a deal, but it's better than people blindly throwing their votes away.

Incidently, I was also using your partial post as an example of what a lot of other posters were basically saying. Basically, I quoted you, but was responding to a bunch of stuff in addition to what you were saying.

[Barkeep49]

I find it suspicious that 2 players seem to have had the same dream. It was pointed out that in the short story, replicants have memories implanted in their heads from other humans.

I believe that the dreams mean something and it seems to suggest at least a possibility of one of them being a replicant.
Ok I'm not sure what to think. On the one hand I'd agree, but there does seem to be some other overalp with dreams (NYC is mentioned in two I believe). Taking a look at what is claimed I'm not sure if future stardom (Swaggs) or present stardom (AE) is more suspicious, but I would lean towards future as that seems like a past memory that could be implanted.

However, I also don't see a whole lot of reason to lie about one's dream and think we should be careful about reading too much into it, especially as there seem to be tangential similarities among other dreams.

[RendeR]

Here are what people posted about their dreams:

1. Alan T - Dreamt of hot girl that turned into a spider
2. Jonathan Ezarik
3. st. cronin - sex dream
4. Chief Rum
5. Barkeep49
6. LoneStarGirl - Got a bike!
7. Lathum - in San Diego, janice joplin and a giant ping pong ball
8. RendeR - How many cheeses can I fit into my mouth...it was alot...
9. path12
10. Passacaglia - crazy dream of new york city
11. Swaggs - pm mentioned future tennis stardom.
12. Tele - St.cronin's dream sounded like her's
13. DaddyTorgo
14. KWhit
15. bulletsponge - Wolf checking in *starts licking himself* ?
16. ntndeacon - kept dreaming of his dad at the lake. Tried to keep him near but he left anyways
17. twothree
18. ardent enthusiast - tennis star human


I added my dream to this list and bolded 2 that were never stated as dream information. Why are we assuming their dreams were these?

[Alan T]

Because it was the part of your post I wanted to respond to.

It's not like I took anything you said out of context or changed the meaning of your post by quoting part of it.

Your post was basically that you thought it was no big deal. I responded to that by basically saying, it's not much of a deal, but it's better than people blindly throwing their votes away.

Incidently, I was also using your partial post as an example of what a lot of other posters were basically saying. Basically, I quoted you, but was responding to a bunch of stuff in addition to what you were saying.

But you left out the part where I said if folks were voting it because it was day 1 and we didn't have much else to go on then I understood. You also left out the part where I brought up that Ardent/Swaggs arent the only ones who had similar dreams and St.Cronin/Telle also did.

[RendeR]

Personally I find NTNDeacon's dream to be a bit condemning. The grasping/holding on to the father figure dream is very powerful in teh sense of self preservation and welf understanding, two things a rogue replicant is sure to be dealing with emotionally.

UNVOTE ALAN T
VOTE NTNDEACON

[RendeR]

my god my typing skills suck today...

[KWhit]

By the way, my dream was of a macaroni bus.

Don't ask me what that means. I have no idea.

[Alan T]

I added my dream to this list and bolded 2 that were never stated as dream information. Why are we assuming their dreams were these?

I really don't know what to make of bullet coming out saying he was a wolf if its not a dream. As for Ardent, I don't think he became a tennis player in real life, so to out of the blue mention it here first thing before anyone else mentioned their dreams or PMs it doesnt seem to be much of a reach that it would have been his dream.

Unless you know something about Ardent's budding professional tennis career that I don't.

[Passacaglia]

Ok I'm not sure what to think. On the one hand I'd agree, but there does seem to be some other overalp with dreams (NYC is mentioned in two I believe). Taking a look at what is claimed I'm not sure if future stardom (Swaggs) or present stardom (AE) is more suspicious, but I would lean towards future as that seems like a past memory that could be implanted.

However, I also don't see a whole lot of reason to lie about one's dream and think we should be careful about reading too much into it, especially as there seem to be tangential similarities among other dreams.

Who else had a dream involving NYC besides me?

[Barkeep49]

wolf checking in *starts licking himself*
Boy how did I miss that one? Sure don't like DT's actions but this seems even more blatant. I'm willing to take a person at his word.

Unvote DT
Vote Render

[Barkeep49]

I really don't know what to make of bullet coming out saying he was a wolf if its not a dream. As for Ardent, I don't think he became a tennis player in real life, so to out of the blue mention it here first thing before anyone else mentioned their dreams or PMs it doesnt seem to be much of a reach that it would have been his dream.

Unless you know something about Ardent's budding professional tennis career that I don't.
Alan anyway you can add post #s to that list?

[st.cronin]

Barkeep, that's bulletsponge, not Render.

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, that's bulletsponge, not Render.
Thanks.

Unvote Render
Vote Bulletsponge

[KWhit]

But you left out the part where I said if folks were voting it because it was day 1 and we didn't have much else to go on then I understood.

So? Like I said, I was responding to your point about it not mattering much and using that as a jumping off point to say to everyone that the dream thing is something and better than people just throwing their vote away. That's all. I wasn't calling you out or anything. I just wanted to voice my disagreement with your thought: "That it speaks no less or more of Ardent or Swaggs's wolfishness."


You also left out the part where I brought up that Ardent/Swaggs arent the only ones who had similar dreams and St.Cronin/Telle also did.

Ardent/Swaggs both dreaming about tennis stardom is much more odd and significant to me that St.Cronin/Telle both having dreams somehow related to sex. Also, st.cronin's comment about his dream was kind of cryptic and unspecific. So to me, the Ardent/Swaggs dream 'coincidence' (or whatever it is) is much more interesting than the other similar dream situation.

I think the St.Cronin/Telle situation is one to keep an eye on, but less likely to be significant than the Ardent/Swaggs situation.

[hoopsguy]

I frankly find his non-involvement in this game very wolfish indeed and think it's a shame that the rules state we have to vote for a player. Seems like another wolf advantage :D

Yes, the wolves should enjoy that I'm not a villager hunting them down this game :D

Deadline issues this week, so I figured it was a good time to take a break. Don't mind me reading along ...

[tanglewood]

Day 1 Votecount

DaddyTorgo - 2 Jonathan Ezarik, Swaggs
Passacaglia - 1 bulletsponge
ardent enthusiast - 1 KWhit
Lathum - 1 ntndeacon
KWhit - 1 twothree
ntndeacon - 1 RendeR
RendeR - 1 st.cronin
bulletsponge - 1 Barkeep49

Yet to vote: Alan T, Chief Rum, LoneStarGirl, Lathum, path12, Passacaglia, Telle, DaddyTorgo, ardent enthusiast

T-minus 4 hours and 45 minutes.

[st.cronin]

3 way tie by my reckoning:

2 - ntndeacon - Lathum (193), RendeR (211)
2 - RendeR - st.cronin (117), LoneStarGirl (183)
2 - DaddyTorgo - Jonathan Ezarik (134), Swaggs (161)
1 - Passacaglia - bulletsponge (151)
1 - ardent enthusiast - KWhit (154)
1 - Lathum - ntndeacon (172)
1 - KWhit - twothree (194)
1 - bulletsponge - Barkeep49 (219)

not voted:

1. Alan T
4. Chief Rum
9. path12
10. Passacaglia
12. Tele
13. DaddyTorgo
18. ardent enthusiast

[KWhit]

Boy how did I miss that one? Sure don't like DT's actions but this seems even more blatant. I'm willing to take a person at his word.

But the "wolves" aren't even wolves in this game, so I don't understand. What do you think BS was trying to do with his wolf post?

[st.cronin]

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[Barkeep49]

But the "wolves" aren't even wolves in this game, so I don't understand. What do you think BS was trying to do with his wolf post?
I don't know. I know that very rarely do I use the game specific terms for the good guys and bad guys. I almost always use wolves and villagers. I would really like to hear BS's explanation as it just seems too easy. But it's frustrating because even if we vote out BS we won't know if it was a genuine slip or not since we don't get results.

Which brings me back: Anyone remember a game where we had no reveals? I'd be happy to go back and read the game but can't remember which game(s) used that mechanic.

[path12]

I think I've only played one game, I believe, where there was no reveal on death and I don't remember that game at all (can't even think of what game it was). Anyone remember that game? I would love to see what we learned since the no reveal policy seems to be a HUGE villager handicap.

My Animal Farm game didn't have any role reveal. Proved to be very tough. There was another one I can't place ATM.

[st.cronin]

BK, I think I have only played one game where there were no reveals. I don't remember which game it was, but I remember it being a frustrating experience, and I think that game was heavily slanted to the wolves.

There have been other games where there were reveals, but not public reveals - my Rome game, for example.

[path12]

Personally I find NTNDeacon's dream to be a bit condemning. The grasping/holding on to the father figure dream is very powerful in teh sense of self preservation and welf understanding, two things a rogue replicant is sure to be dealing with emotionally.


I have one problem with the whole dream theory, and in trying to interpret them to figure out a vote today. That's the fact that a wolf likely didn't mention that right away and there's nothing to prevent them from just making up stuff. Especially in a game like this where we wouldn't find out who the lynch victim actually is.

[path12]

I think the St.Cronin/Telle situation is one to keep an eye on, but less likely to be significant than the Ardent/Swaggs situation.

I think the st.cronin/Telle situation is one that RendeR would like to keep an eye on....... :D

[path12]

But the "wolves" aren't even wolves in this game, so I don't understand. What do you think BS was trying to do with his wolf post?

It's weird, but it strikes me as bullet just being bullet offhand. Though I've voted for less on day 1.

[st.cronin]

I have one problem with the whole dream theory, and in trying to interpret them to figure out a vote today. That's the fact that a wolf likely didn't mention that right away and there's nothing to prevent them from just making up stuff. Especially in a game like this where we wouldn't find out who the lynch victim actually is.

Agree, and note that ardent and Swaggs were among the first to come out with pm info (still not sure if ardent was talking about a dream or not). My instincts tell me they're both villager.

[Barkeep49]

My Animal Farm game didn't have any role reveal. Proved to be very tough. There was another one I can't place ATM.

BK, I think I have only played one game where there were no reveals. I don't remember which game it was, but I remember it being a frustrating experience, and I think that game was heavily slanted to the wolves.

There have been other games where there were reveals, but not public reveals - my Rome game, for example.
Cronin I was a wolf in your Rome game and don't remember the non-reveals being a big advantage for us. And I didn't play in Animal Farm.

So to both of you: Having had perfect information in those situations what do you think would have been the right way for the villagers to approach the game?

[st.cronin]

Cronin I was a wolf in your Rome game and don't remember the non-reveals being a big advantage for us. And I didn't play in Animal Farm.

So to both of you: Having had perfect information in those situations what do you think would have been the right way for the villagers to approach the game?

Well, my game was a bit different in that roles were revealed - but only to one or two players, whose allegiance was not fixed. Still, in that game the village was probably best served to just assume the information they got was valid.

In this game, it appears from the rules that one of the Blade Runners will get a night kill - which will include a role reveal, presumably. There may also be some unlisted roles.

For day 1, I think we're pretty much hosed. But I would be pretty surprised if a bunch of information wasn't on its way.

[path12]

Cronin I was a wolf in your Rome game and don't remember the non-reveals being a big advantage for us. And I didn't play in Animal Farm.

So to both of you: Having had perfect information in those situations what do you think would have been the right way for the villagers to approach the game?

I know that in mine the lack of information caused the villagers to misread flavor for hints. For example, as the game went on I had the rules painted on the barn alter as the game went on like it did in the book. This caused a lot of confusion, as changes didn't happen every day and the villagers started to try and correlate kills with these descriptions in order to try and determine who had been killed. Also I had descriptions of the deaths with words written in blood that were taken to mean something.

It's very easy to get lost when there are no or limited reveals. Voting records become harder to read. You really depend much more on your seers.

That's another reason I'm wondering if the whole dream thing is just flavor and we've got a red herring here.

[bulletsponge]

Thanks.

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thats not nice. if i was a wolf would i say i was a wolf?

[Poli]

This should be interesting. WW doesn't hold a candle to the time I'm goign to spend on NCAA '08. This is going to be a hard game to follow. :)

[Barkeep49]

thats not nice. if i was a wolf would i say i was a wolf?
Seems like a dumb thing to say if you're a wolf but not too much smarter if you're a villager.

[Barkeep49]

I know that in mine the lack of information caused the villagers to misread flavor for hints. For example, as the game went on I had the rules painted on the barn alter as the game went on like it did in the book. This caused a lot of confusion, as changes didn't happen every day and the villagers started to try and correlate kills with these descriptions in order to try and determine who had been killed. Also I had descriptions of the deaths with words written in blood that were taken to mean something.

It's very easy to get lost when there are no or limited reveals. Voting records become harder to read. You really depend much more on your seers.

That's another reason I'm wondering if the whole dream thing is just flavor and we've got a red herring here.
Ok I think that's a great lesson, if a tad depressing. In fact I'm not sure how we avoid falling into that trap.

[path12]

Ok I think that's a great lesson, if a tad depressing. In fact I'm not sure how we avoid falling into that trap.

It certainly makes day 1 (which most know I hate anyway) even more dreadful than normal. I agree with Cronin in the hope that we'll get some information as we go along. One of the big problems in my game was that the seer died day 1.

[ntndeacon]

hasnt bulletclaimed to be a wolf early before and wasn't? I seem to remember something about that. If I remember correctly it is a pretty frequent occurance.

NOte I am not saying he isnt, but his behaivor does not lead me to believe he is.

[path12]

hasnt bulletclaimed to be a wolf early before and wasn't? I seem to remember something about that. If I remember correctly it is a pretty frequent occurance.

NOte I am not saying he isnt, but his behaivor does not lead me to believe he is.

I remember him posting the wolf smileys a lot.

[Barkeep49]

It certainly makes day 1 (which most know I hate anyway) even more dreadful than normal. I agree with Cronin in the hope that we'll get some information as we go along. One of the big problems in my game was that the seer died day 1.
I've actually found that this has been a somewhat non-annoying d1 because of all the dream info. I actually think that future days will be much worse.

[Barkeep49]

hasnt bulletclaimed to be a wolf early before and wasn't? I seem to remember something about that. If I remember correctly it is a pretty frequent occurance.

NOte I am not saying he isnt, but his behaivor does not lead me to believe he is.
Well it seems like the sort of behavior we'd want to not encourage. I mean if he IS a wolf this time it seems like the perfect way of hiding in plain sight.

[Telle]

I think the st.cronin/Telle situation is one that RendeR would like to keep an eye on....... :D

Shhhhh!!!! :)

[Telle]

thats not nice. if i was a wolf would i say i was a wolf?

I'm gonna go with the "hiding in plain sight" theory.

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[LoneStarGirl]

Tanglewood, I voted for Render a ways back... looks like you missed it.

[ntndeacon]

well I am out till after the lynch. and will be gone at lynch most days. (I have play practice for a performance in two weeks :D ) So hopefully whomever we get, may they be a replicant.

[st.cronin]

updated

3 - bulletsponge - Barkeep49 (219), st.cronin (225), Telle (246)
2 - ntndeacon - Lathum (193), RendeR (211)
2 - DaddyTorgo - Jonathan Ezarik (134), Swaggs (161)
1 - RendeR - LoneStarGirl (183)
1 - Passacaglia - bulletsponge (151)
1 - ardent enthusiast - KWhit (154)
1 - Lathum - ntndeacon (172)
1 - KWhit - twothree (194)

not voted:

1. Alan T
4. Chief Rum
9. path12
10. Passacaglia
13. DaddyTorgo
18. ardent enthusiast

[Swaggs]

One thing that just occured to me is this cuts the other way too. Suppose you're ardent, and you're a wolf. Are you going to come right out and say what's in your pm? I'm thinking no, not unless somebody else does first. I actually think its equally likely that Swaggs is a wolf.

I would agree with you that either of us could be an android.

I'm not sure either of us would know it. I know that I was told I am a human in the PM, though.