Tiger Woods biggest mistake: getting married

[DeToxRox]

All I have seen is this breaking news issue on MSNBC:

Breaking News, Weather, Business, Health, Entertainment, Sports, Politics, Travel, Science, Technology, Local, US & World News- msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/)

Basically it says he was injured in a car crash, charges pending.

On another forum someone said they heard on the radio it was a serious accident but I haven't seen much on that.

[CU Tiger]

ESPN just broke in and said he was seriously injured and in the hospital and that authorities had confirmed alcohol played no role, which is worth noting, I suppose.

[DeToxRox]

From ESPN.com:

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Tiger Woods has been seriously injured in a car wreck in Florida, authorities said Friday.

The Florida Highway Patrol said Woods hit a fire hydrant and a tree as he pulled out of his driveway early Friday in his 2009 Cadillac sport utility vehicle.

Woods was taken to Health Central Hospital. His condition was not immediately known, though the news release said his injuries were serious.

The highway patrol says the crash is still under investigation, and charges are pending. However, the highway patrol said the crash was not alcohol-related.

[jeff061]

How do you get seriously injured hitting stationary objects while pulling out of your driveway in your SUV.

[Maple Leafs]

An Orlando newspaper is saying the serious injuries are (or at least include) facial lacerations.

[Eaglesfan27]

I wonder if that is charges against Tiger or if there was any other driver involved that caused the accident. Right now, the tone of the various articles sounds like it was a single car accident.

[rowech]

The accident happens at 2:30 in the morning, he hits a tree, a fire hydrant, and it doesn't get reported until 12 hours letter? We're supposed to believe that someone is not covering something up for him?

[Eaglesfan27]

How do you get seriously injured hitting stationary objects while pulling out of your driveway in your SUV.

I wouldn't be surprised if his driveway was half of a mile long or longer.

[Eaglesfan27]

The accident happens at 2:30 in the morning, he hits a tree, a fire hydrant, and it doesn't get reported until 12 hours letter? We're supposed to believe that someone is not covering something up for him?

Yeah, if it was a single car accident, seems likely that alcohol was involved.

[Eaglesfan27]

CBS just broke in and said he ended up on his neighbor's lawn.

[Doug5984]

Yeah I just read that it happened at 2:30 this morning...why so long for the story to break..

[Galaxy]

I get the feeling that the whole story isn't out. Hope he has a full recovery. Is this in Orlando or his new massive mansion on Jupiter Island?

[Eaglesfan27]

Here is the story from the Orlando Newspaper which first reported the incident:

Professional golfer Tiger Woods was seriously injured in a car accident early this morning, the Florida Highway Patrol just reported.

Woods, 33, pulled out of his driveway in the Isleworth community about 2:25 a.m. when he struck a fire hydrant, and then drove into a tree at his neighbor's property, FHP reported.

Woods was transported to Health Central Hospital in Ocoee in serious condition, FHP said. No other information about his condition has been released.

A Health Central hospital employee said at 2:30 p.m. that Woods was not a patient. A hospital operator would not say if Woods had been treated and released.

FHP said the airbags in Woods' Cadillac Escalade did not deploy, which means the vehicle was traveling under 33 mph.

Orange County Fire Rescue received the call for aid at 2:28 a.m. Woods was transported from his Windermere-area neighborhood by the hospital's own ambulance.

FHP did not report the accident until just after 2 p.m. today. The agency said the crash remains under investigation and charges are pending.

[JediKooter]

Well, Tiger is better known for his putting and short game, maybe he needs to work on his driving...

[MikeVic]

Well, Tiger is better known for his putting and short game, maybe he needs to work on his driving...

lol nice.

[Galaxy]

Guess he has been released. I like CNN's helicopter-outside-his-house coverage.

[Chubby]

Like it isn't fishy that they are quick to point out "alcohol wasn't involved" riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

[Eaglesfan27]

Guess he has been released. I like CNN's helicopter-outside-his-house coverage.


I wonder if he has really been released. Hospitals cannot confirm or deny if someone is a patient or was a patient. To do so would be a HIPPA violation.

[EagleFan]

None of this story makes sense so far. Pulled out of his propety, struck a fire hydrant and then hits a tree on his neighbor's property. With what we have so far how can there not be some additional stimulant involved?

[Galaxy]

I wonder if he has really been released. Hospitals cannot confirm or deny if someone is a patient or was a patient. To do so would be a HIPPA violation.

I forgot about that. Good point.

[Dodgerchick]

Yeah none of this story makes sense. Unless his headlights were broken and the all the street lights were busted, I don't see how else he could hit non moving objects.

[Chubby]

Come on, it's clearly reasonable for somewho can bounce a golf ball off his gold club a donez times before hitting it in midair to not be able to dodge a fire hydrant and a tree! The tree just jumped out of nowhere!!!

[MikeVic]

None of this story makes sense so far. Pulled out of his propety, struck a fire hydrant and then hits a tree on his neighbor's property. With what we have so far how can there not be some additional stimulant involved?

Maybe his hot wife was stimulating him?

[Coder]

Maybe his hot wife was stimulating him?

Apparently the gossip that came out last night was that he'd had an affair.. maybe they'd been arguing.

[jeff061]

I wouldn't be surprised if his driveway was half of a mile long or longer.

Yeah, thought of that afterwards.

[Eaglesfan27]

Apparently the gossip that came out last night was that he'd had an affair.. maybe they'd been arguing.

Just saw the pictures of his rumored mistress.. she isn't bad but his wife is much better looking.

[SirFozzie]

His agent says he's been released. THe airbag didn't deploy, so he was going under 33.. Likely, it's just cuts and bruises,etcetera. probably DWD (Driving While Distracted, cell phone, etcetera)

[Ryan S]

Sounds like the original report about serious injuries was grossly exaggerated.

[kingfc22]

Sounds like the original report about serious injuries was grossly exaggerated.

With today's media? No way. I would never have imagined a story being mis-reported.

[Chief Rum]

I am guessing the "serious injuries" comes from the "serious condition" medical status Tiger was supposedly assigned (I think that came from the FHP report, not sure).

The media would have had no other way to determine the extent of his injuries. It seems sensible they would use the term "serious" to describe them, since that is how authorities described them.

[SirFozzie]

probably the serious nature means that he wasn't treated at the scene and released, they brought him in, stitched him up (if he did have facial lacerations, etcetra)

[Shkspr]

We thought he was chasing the ghost of Jack Nicklaus, when all along it was Ben Hogan's career he was gunning for...glad to see that the accident was not as serious as initially feared, though.

[Young Drachma]

Wow.

[Solecismic]

Sounds like the original report about serious injuries was grossly exaggerated.

LeBron believed the hype. He had already paid for the funeral.

[Young Drachma]

LeBron believed the hype. He had already paid for the funeral.

Less jokes. More FOF 2010. k thx.

[ISiddiqui]

Add me to the list who thinks "no alcohol, bullshit!"

[Young Drachma]

How about texting rather than drinking? That seems more likely.

[digamma]

How about texting rather than drinking? That seems more likely.

Or sexting this chick (http://bumpshack.com/2009/11/27/tiger-woods-cheating-on-his-wife-elin-nordegren-details/).

[Galaxy]

Why the hell do these people get married if they are going to cheat?

I also noticed that he's creating a lot of buzz in the Palm Beach area with his new $40-some million mansion under construction.

[Young Drachma]

Tiger picks his chicks pretty obscure. I doubt he's cheating with that chick. Mostly because she came out not too long ago and said she was cheating with some other guy. Not to say he's not stepping out, I just...think given how discreet he's built up his persona, it'll be interesting to see if he made a double gaffe here with the accident and the other chick at the same time.

I always felt like the Elin thing went pretty fast and that their whole arrangement was "I need a few kids, it is time" and she thought "surely there's no deal better than this one."

If they're really on the outs already, then the details of the pre-nup ought to be quite interesting, because I can't believe he didn't get an iron clad one.

[Karlifornia]

Him cheating just goes to prove the old saying: It don't matter how good she looks, there's some guy out there that's sick of her.

[Young Drachma]

And if he indeed is cheating and/or goes through a divorce, the golf world is doomed. He'll surely take out his rage on all of them. But maybe she'll take the Vanessa Bryant road. Seems more lucrative in the end.

[Young Drachma]

Then again...

Tiger's Wife Smashed Out Window to Help Hubby | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/27/tiger-woods-wife-elin-nordegren-golf-club/)

[Galaxy]

Him cheating just goes to prove the old saying: It don't matter how good she looks, there's some guy out there that's sick of her.

I take it this is the girl that claims to be his mistress (who sounds like she has been in an affiar)

hxxp://www.blackbookmag.com/article/prime-mover-rachel-uchitel-vip-diva/3300

Was also having an affair (or says she did) with the actor from BONES:
hxxp://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2009/10/rachel-uchitel-bones-david-boreanaz/

[Karlifornia]

So, is this Uchitel chick an escort, or what?

[Galaxy]

Tiger picks his chicks pretty obscure. I doubt he's cheating with that chick. Mostly because she came out not too long ago and said she was cheating with some other guy. Not to say he's not stepping out, I just...think given how discreet he's built up his persona, it'll be interesting to see if he made a double gaffe here with the accident and the other chick at the same time.

I always felt like the Elin thing went pretty fast and that their whole arrangement was "I need a few kids, it is time" and she thought "surely there's no deal better than this one."

If they're really on the outs already, then the details of the pre-nup ought to be quite interesting, because I can't believe he didn't get an iron clad one.

I posted the links (didn't see your post). The chick sounds like that British one who claims to have had an affair with Gordon Ramsay and other high-profle Brits (who ended up in making money from the deal via book, internet blog, ect.).

[jeff061]

So much estrogen in this thread.

[Galaxy]

So much estrogen in this thread.

http://www.dreamnotoftoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/simmons.jpg

[kcchief19]

Like it isn't fishy that they are quick to point out "alcohol wasn't involved" riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
I think that's why they point it out if they don't believe alcohol was involved -- because if you don't everyone assumes that it was. That's not to say that they won't later discover reason to believe alcohol was involved, but that's another discussion.
Yeah I just read that it happened at 2:30 this morning...why so long for the story to break..
Why not? Windermere, Fla. has a population of about 2,000 so I seriously doubt the media bothers to monitor their scanner, especially on 2:30 a.m. the day after Thanksgiving, which is easily one of the five slowest newsdays of the year anyway. Add to that I imagine the police didn't say "Tiger Woods" on the radio. The only reason it went public was that Tiger's team is media savvy enough to get it out, and they clearly only released it after Tiger was back at home and away from prying eyes.
The accident happens at 2:30 in the morning, he hits a tree, a fire hydrant, and it doesn't get reported until 12 hours letter? We're supposed to believe that someone is not covering something up for him?
The stories say the Windermere police found him lying in the street, so unless Elin left him laying in the street for 12 hours before calling police, doesn't sound like anyone is covering anything.

I'd like to believe that Tiger wasn't up to anything but I think everyone would like to know where Tiger was going at 2:30 in the morning. Seems early to head for a flight somewhere, but then again he has a private jet so maybe he did plan to leave for a flight early in the morning. Who knows? But so far the story fits for me.

[Shkspr]

I'd like to believe that Tiger wasn't up to anything but I think everyone would like to know where Tiger was going at 2:30 in the morning.

Old Navy did open at 3 for Black Friday, remember...

[Apathetic Lurker]

Just saw the pictures of his rumored mistress.. she isn't bad but his wife is much better looking.


maybe the wife doesnt service him enough

[Galaxy]

Just saw the pictures of his rumored mistress.. she isn't bad but his wife is much better looking.

Eh....

[EagleFan]

This story just keeps getting stranger. I already can't see how he hits a fire hydrant and then jerks the SUV into his neighbor's yard to hit a tree.

Now they say his wife heard the accident from inside the house, ran outside to him and broke the SUV's rear window to get him out. It was then said that he was not remaining conscious when the police arrived.

Then the story ends with charges pending, but not what charges.

Are we sure it was the SUV that his wife took the golf club to?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Are we sure it was the SUV that his wife took the golf club to?

Or that she took the club to the window after the accident instead of before the accident?

[Young Drachma]

Wise philosopher once say "You think you want the crazy hot chick. But you don't."

[MalcPow]

Old Navy did open at 3 for Black Friday, remember...

:D

[RainMaker]

This makes a bit more sense.

Tiger Woods: Injuries Caused by Wife, Not SUV | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/28/tiger-woods-elin-nordegren-fight-accident-suv-lacerations/)

[Young Drachma]

That makes waaay more sense now.

[Galaxy]

If the this is true (and the allegations are true), does this some of the shine of Tiger's appeal (and marketing machine that could make him a billionaire)?

[Young Drachma]

If the this is true (and the allegations are true), does this some of the shine of Tiger's appeal (and marketing machine that could make him a billionaire)?

Only if he was somehow found drunk driving, banging a chick and getting entangled in a John Daly-esque scandal that somehow caused him to lose a ton of tournaments, miss cuts and drive him to drinking and to consider steroids or better yet, crystal meth.

Otherwise, no.

I think most of the major demographic of golf (aka, the folks lining his pockets) would understand a bit of domestic trouble. I mean, especially since it was her hitting him and not him having beat her or something ridiculous.

Besides, haven't most billionaire men sans Bill Gates or Warren Buffett been married more than once? It's like a right of passage.

Tiger's last scandal was that GQ interview back in the day (where he was too candid) that I think turned him into something of an automaton in the first place. This will just make him more careful.

[Chief Rum]

kcchief, while I agree with most of what you have there, the articles read specifically indicated that the FHP did not release the reported incident for 12 hours, whatever that reason may be.

[NewIdentity]

This makes a bit more sense.

Tiger Woods: Injuries Caused by Wife, Not SUV | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/28/tiger-woods-elin-nordegren-fight-accident-suv-lacerations/)
This would also explain "the charges pending" quote.

[Logan]

Yeah, cause I know when I hear an accident in the distance, I race out with a golf club just in case anyone will need to be broken out of a window.

[Young Drachma]

Tiger Woods, wife unavailable for interview, police say - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=4695680)

The accident came two days after the National Enquirer published a story alleging that Woods had been seeing a New York night club hostess, and that they recently were together in Melbourne, where Woods competed in the Australian Masters.

The woman, Rachel Uchitel, denied having an affair with Woods when contacted by the AP.

"I resent my reputation is getting completely blasted in the media," she said during a telephone interview late Friday. "Everyone is assuming I came out and said this. This is not a story I have anything to do with."

Uchitel said she was in Melbourne two weeks ago with clients and never saw Woods the entire time she was there.

"The story stands for itself," National Enquirer executive editor Barry Levine told the AP on Saturday.

But then, the Enquirer rebuts her comments and exposes. supposed contradictions. The plot thickens...

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/tiger_woods_cheating_rachel_uchitel_exposed_source/celebrity/67747

[CU Tiger]

The woman, Rachel Uchitel, denied having an affair with Woods when contacted by the AP.

"I resent my reputation is getting completely blasted in the media," she said during a telephone interview late Friday. "Everyone is assuming I came out and said this. This is not a story I have anything to do with."

Uchitel said she was in Melbourne two weeks ago with clients and never saw Woods the entire time she was there.

Is it just me or is that a pretty nice dance around the question. It doesnt appear to me that she is denying the affair ust denying her being the one to disclose it.

[Young Drachma]

Is it just me or is that a pretty nice dance around the question. It doesnt appear to me that she is denying the affair ust denying her being the one to disclose it.

Yeah. I noticed that too. But I've read other quotes from her saying there's no relationship. I'm inclined to believe her, only because she was dating that Bones actor dude and that story came out at the end of last month.

That'd be a hell of a turn around. I think they're just using her because they knew the mainstream media would run with it. That said, I think Team Tiger has some 'splaining to do. I just wonder what they'll say, given how tight lipped they are about what they do...it wouldn't surprise me if they just give some terse statement and leave people to speculate or if they'll say enough to shut people up.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Even people who have more money than God can act like common trailer folk.

[Dr. Sak]

Yeah, cause I know when I hear an accident in the distance, I race out with a golf club just in case anyone will need to be broken out of a window.

Let me tell you a little story? I once knew a guy who could have been a great golfer, could have gone pro, all he needed was a little time and practice. Decided to go to college instead. Went for four years, did pretty well. At the end of his four years, his last semester he was kicked out... You know what for? He was night putting, just putting at night with the fifteen-year-old daughter of the Dean... You know who that guy was Logan?

[MacroGuru]

Let me tell you a little story? I once knew a guy who could have been a great golfer, could have gone pro, all he needed was a little time and practice. Decided to go to college instead. Went for four years, did pretty well. At the end of his four years, his last semester he was kicked out... You know what for? He was night putting, just putting at night with the fifteen-year-old daughter of the Dean... You know who that guy was Logan?

Sounds like Jimmy Macs career at BYU.

[B & B]

John Cocktosten?

[Galaxy]

Reviewing the article I posted in the last page and that picture, Tiger could do better.

[DanGarion]

Let me tell you a little story? I once knew a guy who could have been a great golfer, could have gone pro, all he needed was a little time and practice. Decided to go to college instead. Went for four years, did pretty well. At the end of his four years, his last semester he was kicked out... You know what for? He was night putting, just putting at night with the fifteen-year-old daughter of the Dean... You know who that guy was Logan?

Mike Richards?

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Bob Hope?

[digamma]

Mitch Cumstein.

[rowech]

I'm glad to know that if you're the world's greatest golfer, you get special treatment in an investigation. Would any of us be able to tell the police to come back later once you're awake? Then, when they do come back, put them off another day?

[Young Drachma]

I'm glad to know that if you're the world's greatest golfer, you get special treatment in an investigation. Would any of us be able to tell the police to come back later once you're awake? Then, when they do come back, put them off another day?

Let that be a lesson to all you kids out there. Work hard, practice and someday you too can be rich and play by a different set of rules in life.

;)

[lighthousekeeper]

Let that be a lesson to all you kids out there. Work hard, practice and someday you too can be rich and play by a different set of rules in life.

;)

All kidding and sarcasm aside, isn't that the American dream?

[Danny]

I'm glad to know that if you're the world's greatest golfer, you get special treatment in an investigation. Would any of us be able to tell the police to come back later once you're awake? Then, when they do come back, put them off another day?

Any of us could tell the police to come back later once we're awake, it's just a matter of them listening to us or not.

[Logan]

I tried that once. They didn't.

[Danny]

But did you say please?

[Logan]

Does "fuck off" count? Alcohol may have been involved.

[tyketime]

I'm glad to know that if you're the world's greatest golfer, you get special treatment in an investigation. Would any of us be able to tell the police to come back later once you're awake? Then, when they do come back, put them off another day?

I've been thinking the same thing. According to a report on ESPN, because this is still being considered a "traffic accident", Tiger does not have to answer any questions. All he needs to provide is license, registration, and proof of insurance.

[sooner333]

Yes, you can not talk to police if you want.

[Senator]

Let me tell you a little story? I once knew a guy who could have been a great golfer, could have gone pro, all he needed was a little time and practice. Decided to go to college instead. Went for four years, did pretty well. At the end of his four years, his last semester he was kicked out... You know what for? He was night putting, just putting at night with the fifteen-year-old daughter of the Dean... You know who that guy was Logan?

Paul Harvey? Good day.

[RainMaker]

Yes, you can not talk to police if you want.
Let us know how that goes if you're not rich and/or famous.

I'd love to see the reaction of an average cop if you answered the door and told them to come back later when you're not sleeping when they are investingating a domestic assault case.

[Dr. Sak]

No, that guy was Mitch Cumstein...

...my roommate.

He's a good guy.

[henry296]

Let us know how that goes if you're not rich and/or famous.

I'd love to see the reaction of an average cop if you answered the door and told them to come back later when you're not sleeping when they are investingating a domestic assault case.

Other than TMZ rumors, where did you hear this was domestic assault and not just a traffic incident?

Honestly, this doesn't bother me at all as there is no pressing timeline to resolve this case.

[CU Tiger]

I'm about to tell you exactly what happen. Tiger and Elin got into an argument, he's had enough and decides to get in his car and leave. She says, you are not going any where. He keeps on going and she follows with one of his golf clubs. He gets out of the driveway headed down the street and she hits the back of the SUV with the golf club. He turns around and says, WTF and hits the hydrant. That's the story. Because there is no way someone Elin size is going to break the back window of an SUV and pull a man the size of Tiger out of an SUV over 3 rows of seats! :)


So how does hitting a hydrant cut your phase and require stitches?

[RainMaker]

Other than TMZ rumors, where did you hear this was domestic assault and not just a traffic incident?

Honestly, this doesn't bother me at all as there is no pressing timeline to resolve this case.
TMZ seems to have a rather strong track record when it comes to their reporting (I know it sounds weird but it's true). The story also never added up. He had cuts on his face yet no blood in the car. Clearly not an accident that would require knocking out the back window to rescue him. If it was a traffic incident, there is no reason why Tiger would not talk to the cops.

I'm just saying that if it was you or me in that situation, there is no fucking chance the cops would let us blow off multiple interview requests. I know here that domestic assault is pretty serious and I believe they remove one individual from the home immediately to ensure nothing bad happens. If your wife rips your face apart, shatters your car window with a golf club as you proceed to run over a fire hydrant and hit a tree, I think it's safe to say the cops would be a little more proactive.

[duckman]

I'm just saying that if it was you or me in that situation, there is no fucking chance the cops would let us blow off multiple interview requests. I know here that domestic assault is pretty serious and I believe they remove one individual from the home immediately to ensure nothing bad happens. If your wife rips your face apart, shatters your car window with a golf club as you proceed to run over a fire hydrant and hit a tree, I think it's safe to say the cops would be a little more proactive.
Actually, Florida law states that he doesn't have to talk to the police in a traffic accident. He just have to show license, registration, and proof of insurance. It would be the same thing if we were in the exact same situation.

[RainMaker]

Actually, Florida law states that he doesn't have to talk to the police in a traffic accident. He just have to show license, registration, and proof of insurance. It would be the same thing if we were in the exact same situation.
This wasn't just a traffic accident.

[Atocep]

This wasn't just a traffic accident.

Maybe not, but the cops are treating it as one at this time and until they decide to pursue something more serious Tiger really doesn't have to make time to talk to them.

[RainMaker]

Maybe not, but the cops are treating it as one at this time and until they decide to pursue something more serious Tiger really doesn't have to make time to talk to them.
I agree. Just saying it would be treated as more if it was you or me.

[Eaglesfan27]

There is an article on TVguide's site that says that Tiger cancelled the 3rd meeting today and does not have any further meetings with police scheduled at this time. He takes full blame for the accident and says that Elin did nothing but help him out of the car.

Tiger Woods Takes Blame for "Embarrassing" Crash, Cancels Third Meeting with Cops - Today's News: Our Take | TVGuide.com (http://www.tvguide.com/News/Tiger-Woods-Takes-1012623.aspx)

[Galaxy]

I agree. Just saying it would be treated as more if it was you or me.

I think police would need some real evidence of that such as video, 911 calls, interviews, charges press by one party, ect.

It appears his alleged mistress Rachel Uchitel flew to L.A. to talk with famed lawyer Gloria Allerd.

[sooner333]

Let us know how that goes if you're not rich and/or famous.

I'd love to see the reaction of an average cop if you answered the door and told them to come back later when you're not sleeping when they are investingating a domestic assault case.

Well, I'm pretty confident I won't ever get to see the reaction of a police officer in that situation. But, police can't make you talk to them. They will be pissed and they may find other means to arrest you, but you still don't have to talk to them or let them in your house.

This isn't about being rich or famous, it's about exercising Constitutional rights.

[JPhillips]

If it was T'Gir Woods he would have already been tazed and thrown in prison.

[RainMaker]

I was under the impression an officer can detain you while investigating a potential crime.

[kcchief19]

kcchief, while I agree with most of what you have there, the articles read specifically indicated that the FHP did not release the reported incident for 12 hours, whatever that reason may be.
That doesn't suggest anything nefarious to me either. Remove the name Tiger Woods from this report -- this wouldn't even make the newspaper outside the police blotter, unless it was just news of the weird because someone hit a fire hydrant and a tree. I don't know what the release policy of the FHP is but when I worked in newsrooms and got accident reports two things were true: (1) there was no set time to release accident information; and (2) not all accidents are distributed to the media. Everyone needs to disavow themselves of the notion that just because a celebrity sneezes doesn't make it newsworthy or public information.

I'm still curious as why FHP is involved unless the road where Tiger had his accident is a state road. Then media reports that this happened outside his driveway would be false because Isleworth is a gated community, and I seriously doubt Florida has state highways running through a gated community. I'm assuming FHP was involved because Isleworth is outside the Windmere city limits and it was a holiday, therefore someone had to have jurisdiction. If FHP investigates every accident, Florida is more f-ed up than I thought.

[kcchief19]

This isn't about being rich or famous, it's about exercising Constitutional rights.
Yes but ... I think the above are correct. If this guy's name was Bill Woods and refused to talk the police and didn't have a lawyer, they would be busting his balls pretty hard right now. But you can't treat Tiger Woods like you would a regular Joe. Money and celebrity has certain protections.

Is it right? Heck no. But that's the way it is.

[jeff061]

I was under the impression an officer can detain you while investigating a potential crime.

By potential crime you mean what TMZ says. Yeah, not exactly sure that's cause.

[jeff061]

As much as I would love to say the cops are playing favorites, what exactly is there for them to investigate other than the word of single gossip rag.

No, in this situation I don't see an ordinary person getting treated differently. Unless that ordinary person was being a dick.

[sooner333]

I was under the impression an officer can detain you while investigating a potential crime.

You certainly can't be made to answer any questions. That would be a violation of your right to remain silent. And you can't be detained (seized) without probable cause and a warrant (that would be arrest warrant) or there are exigent circumstances.

If it were domestic violence that had occured previously, Tiger would have to be arrested in order to be forced into a face-to-face meeting with the police. Or he could leave the house in a public place and police could ask him questions and he would not have to answer.

Of course, I'll hopefully know all of this better in two weeks when I've studied up for my Criminal Procedure exam.

[sooner333]

Yes but ... I think the above are correct. If this guy's name was Bill Woods and refused to talk the police and didn't have a lawyer, they would be busting his balls pretty hard right now. But you can't treat Tiger Woods like you would a regular Joe. Money and celebrity has certain protections.

Is it right? Heck no. But that's the way it is.

I think they would probably be busting his balls if he weren't Tiger. But let's keep in mind, they went to his house three times--it's not like they are just sitting idle waiting for him to come to them. They were just refused the opportunity to enter his home all three times. Sure, it helps that he has a lawyer who can tell him he doesn't have to let them in to talk. I guess he bought that knowledge as opposed to gaining it through other methods. But, I think it's less a famous thing as much as knowing what to do. Celebrities get off the hook a lot less now than in the past, it seems.

[Galaxy]

You certainly can't be made to answer any questions. That would be a violation of your right to remain silent. And you can't be detained (seized) without probable cause and a warrant (that would be arrest warrant) or there are exigent circumstances.

If it were domestic violence that had occured previously, Tiger would have to be arrested in order to be forced into a face-to-face meeting with the police. Or he could leave the house in a public place and police could ask him questions and he would not have to answer.

Of course, I'll hopefully know all of this better in two weeks when I've studied up for my Criminal Procedure exam.

Yep. Plus, state law allows him the right to not talk or see police since it is only a traffic accident. To be honest, I don't see how they have any evidence beyond that. Gossip doesn't count.

I don't see this a celebrity getting extra attention. I think his money allows him a team of top-notch lawyers and he seems like a bright guy (well, until now), but he's just using his rights.

I'm still waiting to see if he will still go to California this week. I believe he is hosting it and getting a very nice paycheck for it. Lot of PR in that situation if he goes or doesn't go.

[illinifan999]

You certainly can't be made to answer any questions. That would be a violation of your right to remain silent. And you can't be detained (seized) without probable cause and a warrant (that would be arrest warrant) or there are exigent circumstances.



You don't need a warrant to detain someone. Detaining someone can be as simple as stopping them walking down the street and asking for identification. There were many times during my internship when we would detain someone, but not place them under arrest.

[sooner333]

You don't need a warrant to detain someone. Detaining someone can be as simple as stopping them walking down the street and asking for identification. There were many times during my internship when we would detain someone, but not place them under arrest.

True, you can ask for ID (and they have to give it to you) or ask any other questions (but can't compel an answer). I guess I was thinking of detention as an interrogation situation as it seemed like RainMaker was inferring (since Tiger was in his house and didn't seem to want to come outside). These are important vocuabulary distinctions I'll need to know in two weeks. :)

[RainMaker]

By potential crime you mean what TMZ says. Yeah, not exactly sure that's cause.
Driving into a hydrant and through your neighbors tree is a potential crime. Otherwise I'd imagine that every DUI suspect could just tell the cops to fuck-off.

I'd say the cause would be a seemingly healthy, athletic male driving over a hydrant and into a tree at under 35 MPH. Him having his back window mysteriously busted out and lacerations on his face that didn't jive with the injuries of the car crash.

[RedKingGold]

Driving into a hydrant and through your neighbors tree is a potential crime. Otherwise I'd imagine that every DUI suspect could just tell the cops to fuck-off.

I'd say the cause would be a seemingly healthy, athletic male driving over a hydrant and into a tree at under 35 MPH. Him having his back window mysteriously busted out and lacerations on his face that didn't jive with the injuries of the car crash.

Glad you were there to personally witness all this.

[QuikSand]

Setting aside legality, in my mind the much more important element of this is the public perception. He is a global icon, obviously, and being a great golfer is only part of his currency.

From my own perspective (that of a modestly pro-Tiger, non-serious-golfer, weak-sports-fan, headline-reading type of guy) I'd say that the several days of canceling the "interview" with the police is likely doing him more harm than either the vehicular or marital elements of this incident. Rich people get into mishaps, and they tread on their own relationships, most of us get that and we tend to forgive/overlook it. But when they start to behave like they belong to a wholly different class of humanity than the rest of us, they lose some of what we feel like we connect with. I'm not trying to make awful predictions here, but I think this legal strategy is a very bad decision for the Tiger brand, almost no matter the actual details of what happened.

[flounder]

Setting aside legality, in my mind the much more important element of this is the public perception. He is a global icon, obviously, and being a great golfer is only part of his currency.


On the other hand, if his wife really did take a golf club to him and his car, then she could be facing major charges. If the stalling is to protect her, I think people will understand.

[Maple Leafs]

I honestly thing that, in the long run, the most damaging part of this for him will be "This was all my fault" part of his official statement.

His wife goes psycho on him with a golf club, and he takes the blame. I can see that coming to symbolize Tiger as the poster boy for whipped men.

[molson]

What an overhyped story (unless someone finds a dead body in the trunk).

[Dr. Sak]

It really hasn't been any secret that the worst part of Tiger's game is his erratic driving.

[digamma]

Welcome to the first page of the thread, Dr.

[Dr. Sak]

Hey...I'm slow :)

[digamma]

Mind if we play through? :)

[Samdari]

On the other hand, if his wife really did take a golf club to him and his car, then she could be facing major charges.

Even if this turns into a criminal investigation, neither he nor she can be compelled to testify against her, so with the verified and documented traffic accident as a plausible explanation for his injuries, where's the case? She will never be convicted (and most likely never charged) of anything here.

Its pretty obvious that something other than an accident happened here, but it could have simply been a non-physical argument that they don't wish to share with the world.

QS, he obviously does not think avoiding making a statement to police will damage his brand as much as the truth of what happened would. If "she caught me cheating and went after me with a golf club" is the truth, I tend to agree.

[Fidatelo]

I think it could also be that he is thinking about someone other than himself. Like maybe his wife, or maybe even moreso, his kids. If he did cheat on her, then he probably feels partially responsible for her going ape-shit with a golf club and doesn't want to drag her through the mud over it. And maybe he doesn't want his kids to know the truth about that night either.

[RainMaker]

I think it could also be that he is thinking about someone other than himself. Like maybe his wife, or maybe even moreso, his kids. If he did cheat on her, then he probably feels partially responsible for her going ape-shit with a golf club and doesn't want to drag her through the mud over it. And maybe he doesn't want his kids to know the truth about that night either.
Or maybe he cares a lot about his massive endorsement deals.

[RainMaker]

Glad you were there to personally witness all this.
That was all in the police report and there are a lot of pictures available to prove he drove into a fire hydrant and a tree. Heck, he's even admitted doing it.

[lerriuqs]

I think it could also be that he is thinking about someone other than himself. Like maybe his wife, or maybe even moreso, his kids. If he did cheat on her, then he probably feels partially responsible for her going ape-shit with a golf club and doesn't want to drag her through the mud over it. And maybe he doesn't want his kids to know the truth about that night either.

This will all be forgotten by next summer when he's competing in the majors. His brand is too big and powerful to be hurt by it.

[Fidatelo]

This will all be forgotten by next summer when he's competing in the majors. His brand is too big and powerful to be hurt by it.

I think you missed my point. Perhaps he is putting his wife and kids ahead of his brand on this one? Just a thought.

[Young Drachma]

Tiger doesn't owe us an explanation
(http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/10451320/Tiger-doesn't-owe-us-an-explanation)

Whitlock makes the same point, that he could be protecting his wife in this case.

[lerriuqs]

I think you missed my point. Perhaps he is putting his wife and kids ahead of his brand on this one? Just a thought.

Perhaps. My point was more that his brand can and will withstand this so he can afford to avoid the spotlight to protect them.

[Dr. Sak]

I think it could also be that he is thinking about someone other than himself. Like maybe his wife, or maybe even moreso, his kids. If he did cheat on her, then he probably feels partially responsible for her going ape-shit with a golf club and doesn't want to drag her through the mud over it. And maybe he doesn't want his kids to know the truth about that night either.

I actually agree with you 100%. Tiger has more money that I can ever dream of seeing in my lifetime. I doubt he gives a good hoot about his endorsements, he is a BILLIONAIRE. And as far as the PGA Tour goes...he is the PGA Tour. He knows it and the PGA knows it. Unless he is a drunk or goes out raping or hitting women, it's not going to matter a whole lot in that aspect.

And before I get piled on for being a Tiger fan, let me be upfront and say I only root for him during the Ryder Cup and President's Cup. I don't want him to break Jack's Majors record, although I think it is only a matter of time till he does. His on the course tirades are a bit much (throwing clubs, swearing, etc.) but he seems like a class guy off the course.

He screwed up, he knows it. She got pissed, maybe rightfully so and went a bit too far. He just wants it to be over and done with, and does not want any more embarrassment placed on him, her, or his family than has already happened.

[RainMaker]

Tiger doesn't owe us an explanation
(http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/10451320/Tiger-doesn't-owe-us-an-explanation)

Whitlock makes the same point, that he could be protecting his wife in this case.
Whitlock is protecting him because he's black. He had no problem digging deep into the Rick Pitino issue a few months back. If this was Phil Mickelson, Whitlock never writes the article.

I guess I'd argue that it's really no one's business. But I think it's kind of ridiculous to think he's protecting his wife considering he just fucking cheated on her.

[RainMaker]

I actually agree with you 100%. Tiger has more money that I can ever dream of seeing in my lifetime. I doubt he gives a good hoot about his endorsements, he is a BILLIONAIRE. And as far as the PGA Tour goes...he is the PGA Tour. He knows it and the PGA knows it. Unless he is a drunk or goes out raping or hitting women, it's not going to matter a whole lot in that aspect.

And before I get piled on for being a Tiger fan, let me be upfront and say I only root for him during the Ryder Cup and President's Cup. I don't want him to break Jack's Majors record, although I think it is only a matter of time till he does. His on the course tirades are a bit much (throwing clubs, swearing, etc.) but he seems like a class guy off the course.

He screwed up, he knows it. She got pissed, maybe rightfully so and went a bit too far. He just wants it to be over and done with, and does not want any more embarrassment placed on him, her, or his family than has already happened.
Money isn't everything. Legacy is though. Tiger has given off the perception that he is virtually perfect. A perfect golfer with no flaws. A family man who loves his wife, kids, and parents. As bad as it sounds, personal issues like this can have an impact on a player's legacy.

[3ric]

I guess I'd argue that it's really no one's business. But I think it's kind of ridiculous to think he's protecting his wife considering he just fucking cheated on her.

I agree. What he's doing is damage control.

[Galaxy]

I guess Tiger pulled out of his own tournament in California that is suppose to start later in the week.

[lerriuqs]

Money isn't everything. Legacy is though. Tiger has given off the perception that he is virtually perfect. A perfect golfer with no flaws. A family man who loves his wife, kids, and parents. As bad as it sounds, personal issues like this can have an impact on a player's legacy.

History has shown that unless what you do is really bad (ie. killing someone or going to jail for whatever you do, or cheating at your actual sport), your legacy is pretty much assured if you're a star. In the long run, history has shown that people ignore the personal issues of stars. You can look at many, many professional athletes to see the same. The ones that are disgraced actually cheated on the field (See Barry Bonds or Mark McGwire) or did something really bad off the field (see OJ Simpson). Extra-marital affairs and other similar issues, sadly even spousal abuse, are forgiven/forgotten relatively quickly...

[cougarfreak]

Isn't destroying public property a crime? (the hydrant)?

[RainMaker]

History has shown that unless what you do is really bad (ie. killing someone or going to jail for whatever you do, or cheating at your actual sport), your legacy is pretty much assured if you're a star. In the long run, history has shown that people ignore the personal issues of stars. You can look at many, many professional athletes to see the same. The ones that are disgraced actually cheated on the field (See Barry Bonds or Mark McGwire) or did something really bad off the field (see OJ Simpson). Extra-marital affairs and other similar issues, sadly even spousal abuse, are forgiven/forgotten relatively quickly...
So when you think of Isiah Thomas, do you think of one of the greatest Point Guards to ever play the game? When you think of Magic Johnson, do you also think of AIDS? Will people always remember the Kobe rape accusations?

Personal issues can taint how people go down in history. I'm not saying it'll be horrific or anything for him, but there will always be that mild taint on his career if it turns out his wife assaulted him because he was cheating on her with someone. Image plays a large role in Tiger Woods success. He's a multi-cultural icon in a sport that is catering to wealthy middle aged white men.

[Fidatelo]

Lord knows that wealthy middle aged white men never cheat on their wives. Tiger will be a pariah at the country clubs!

[gstelmack]

History has shown that unless what you do is really bad (ie. killing someone ...), your legacy is pretty much assured if you're a star.

And if your name is Leonard Little, even that won't tarnish what folks think of you!

[Jon]

You certainly can't be made to answer any questions. That would be a violation of your right to remain silent. And you can't be detained (seized) without probable cause and a warrant (that would be arrest warrant) or there are exigent circumstances.

If it were domestic violence that had occured previously, Tiger would have to be arrested in order to be forced into a face-to-face meeting with the police. Or he could leave the house in a public place and police could ask him questions and he would not have to answer.

Of course, I'll hopefully know all of this better in two weeks when I've studied up for my Criminal Procedure exam.

You don't have the right to remain silent under every circumtance. The right to remain silent (as what I think you're doing) applies only to custodial interrogation. You can be asked questions such as your name, and be required to provide identifying papers such as an ID if there's reasonable suspicion of a crime. But that's different than the "right to remain silent."

Good luck on crim pro.

[I just saw your response but decided not to delete--this was one of trip ups on my crim pro exam--whether or not the Miranda attaches or whether the guy who talked before he was Mirandized was in trouble due to saying too much when he was free to leave. That's why street law projects usually say-don't answer any questions)]

[sooner333]

Good luck on crim pro.


Thanks. I'm sure I'll need quite a bit of it. First go-round for the professor, so nobody really knows what to expect (except for 3 hours, 3 essays, closed book).

[Galaxy]

So do the police need a warrant to look at medical records?

FAQ on Government Access to Medical Records | American Civil Liberties Union (http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/faq-government-access-medical-records)

[Dr. Sak]

Money isn't everything. Legacy is though. Tiger has given off the perception that he is virtually perfect. A perfect golfer with no flaws. A family man who loves his wife, kids, and parents. As bad as it sounds, personal issues like this can have an impact on a player's legacy.

What do you remember the most about Arnold Palmer...his titles...Arnie's Army...or the fact that he beat his wife?

[lerriuqs]

So when you think of Isiah Thomas, do you think of one of the greatest Point Guards to ever play the game? When you think of Magic Johnson, do you also think of AIDS? Will people always remember the Kobe rape accusations?

Personal issues can taint how people go down in history. I'm not saying it'll be horrific or anything for him, but there will always be that mild taint on his career if it turns out his wife assaulted him because he was cheating on her with someone. Image plays a large role in Tiger Woods success. He's a multi-cultural icon in a sport that is catering to wealthy middle aged white men.

Umm. Isiah changed his legacy by staying in sports. That has nothing to do with personal stuff. As for Magic and Kobe - AIDS is certainly there but has never hurt his legacy IMO. Kobe's rape allegations have been basically forgotten about and are rarely even talked about any more.

Anything that comes from this for Tiger will disappear and be dismissed by most people and will not be viewed as tainting his career in any way, shape or form.

[kcchief19]

I honestly thing that, in the long run, the most damaging part of this for him will be "This was all my fault" part of his official statement.

His wife goes psycho on him with a golf club, and he takes the blame. I can see that coming to symbolize Tiger as the poster boy for whipped men.
If she went all psycho on him because he forgot to get the curly fries with her burger and chocolate shake, yes.

If she beat with a golf club because he put his five-wood in another woman's golf bag, then I think most people will agree that yes, it was indeed his fault.

[RainMaker]

Umm. Isiah changed his legacy by staying in sports. That has nothing to do with personal stuff. As for Magic and Kobe - AIDS is certainly there but has never hurt his legacy IMO. Kobe's rape allegations have been basically forgotten about and are rarely even talked about any more.

Anything that comes from this for Tiger will disappear and be dismissed by most people and will not be viewed as tainting his career in any way, shape or form.
Isiah has sexual harrasment charges against him that the team lost in court. Magic will always be linked with AIDS and Kobe will always have that footnote in his history. In 50 years when someone reads a biography of these great athletes, there will always be mention of these events.

I'm not saying that Tiger will have his career ruined at all by this. But I do think it's a mark that will always remain in his profile. Think about his image. It was perfect. His biggest flaw was that he'd get too competitive. Tiger Woods was perfect and now he's not.

[RainMaker]

What do you remember the most about Arnold Palmer...his titles...Arnie's Army...or the fact that he beat his wife?
Different era. Not only for domestic assault but for media coverage. If Arnie was in his prime right now, that would be all over every news/celebrity site and he'd have lost every endorsement he ever had.

[kcchief19]

History has shown that unless what you do is really bad (ie. killing someone or going to jail for whatever you do, or cheating at your actual sport), your legacy is pretty much assured if you're a star. In the long run, history has shown that people ignore the personal issues of stars. You can look at many, many professional athletes to see the same. The ones that are disgraced actually cheated on the field (See Barry Bonds or Mark McGwire) or did something really bad off the field (see OJ Simpson). Extra-marital affairs and other similar issues, sadly even spousal abuse, are forgiven/forgotten relatively quickly...
I would modify that slightly to say that the public will forgive you if you face the music and apologize for what you did. People would forgive Bonds, McGwire or Pete Rose if they simply admitted what they did and apologized. What you can't do is lie about what you've done and hope to get away with it.

I don't know what to make of Tiger's strategy. The first rule of crisis media is to get your own story out first on your own terms and tell it all. Tiger isn't doing that because he's not telling us what happened. If he's telling the truth that the "rumors" are not true, then this will probably end well for him. If he's lying, this will hurt him.

[jeff061]

It's a stretch for Bonds.

Maybe Tiger doesn't give a shit if this will hurt him. He wants to deal with a private situation privately. You damned gossip mongers.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Isiah has sexual harrasment charges against him that the team lost in court. Magic will always be linked with AIDS and Kobe will always have that footnote in his history. In 50 years when someone reads a biography of these great athletes, there will always be mention of these events.

I'm not saying that Tiger will have his career ruined at all by this. But I do think it's a mark that will always remain in his profile. Think about his image. It was perfect. His biggest flaw was that he'd get too competitive. Tiger Woods was perfect and now he's not.
So what if Tiger turns out not to be "perfect"? Isiah is not defined by the sexual harassment charges, Magic is not defined by his HIV, and Kobe is not defined by the rape allegations. They are significant things, sure, but they are and will be completely overshadowed by these guys dominating their sport and winning championships. Ultimately, as far as history is concerned, Magic, Kobe, and Tiger will be remembered as winners.

Isiah, on the other hand, will be remembered as a clown who ruined the CBA, goofed up the Pacers, damn near destroyed the Knicks, and ended up coaching one of the worst teams in the Sun Belt.

I'm not saying that people will forget anything that comes out of this Tiger Woods situation, but it will just be a blip in the middle of the 300 majors he's already won and the 300 majors he will win the future.

[lerriuqs]

Isiah has sexual harrasment charges against him that the team lost in court. Magic will always be linked with AIDS and Kobe will always have that footnote in his history. In 50 years when someone reads a biography of these great athletes, there will always be mention of these events.

I'm not saying that Tiger will have his career ruined at all by this. But I do think it's a mark that will always remain in his profile. Think about his image. It was perfect. His biggest flaw was that he'd get too competitive. Tiger Woods was perfect and now he's not.

None of those things will taint their sports careers or legacies in the slightest. A footnote does not a taint make...

[Galaxy]

So what if Tiger turns out not to be "perfect"? Isiah is not defined by the sexual harassment charges, Magic is not defined by his HIV, and Kobe is not defined by the rape allegations. They are significant things, sure, but they are and will be completely overshadowed by these guys dominating their sport and winning championships. Ultimately, as far as history is concerned, Magic, Kobe, and Tiger will be remembered as winners.

Isiah, on the other hand, will be remembered as a clown who ruined the CBA, goofed up the Pacers, damn near destroyed the Knicks, and ended up coaching one of the worst teams in the Sun Belt.

I'm not saying that people will forget anything that comes out of this Tiger Woods situation, but it will just be a blip in the middle of the 300 majors he's already won and the 300 majors he will win the future.

The problem with Tiger not being perfect is that he's build his whole name and brand around being perfect. Being so tight with privacy, ready to sue, and the way he carries himself, that's how he has managed to create the "business of Tiger Woods". Crafting this "well-spoken, one-woman, good family man" image helps (he might not be that-http://www.blackbookmag.com/article/...nnection/13466). Companies like Nike, Rolex, GM, ect. are paying him around a $100 million-per-year in endorsement money (along with his tournament fees and earnings) for that brand. Consumers pay for that.

[Young Drachma]

You all saying Tiger's image is built on him being a family man is wrong.

His image is built on one thing and one thing only. Being the best damn golfer that ever lived. He didn't get married until 2004 for heaven's sakes.

The rest of the stuff is and has always been off-limits in his mind. People craft this perfect image of him, because it makes them feel better. You know, multiracial athlete conquering previously lily-white sport and reinventing the game in his own image. But he never did any of that. His commercials aren't about him being perfect at anything other than golf. That's it.

When he does release photos, it's only so the paparazzi don't have as much of a market for snapping pics of his family.

I have this whole email draft of quotes I pull from articles attributed to the people who say them. They provide some great morsels and here are two Tiger quotes that are surely at least 3 or more years old now.

"I view my life in a way..I'll explain it to you, OK? The greatest thing about tomorrow is, I will be better than I am today. And that's how I look at my life. I will be better as a golfer, I will be better as a person, I will be better as a father, I will be a better husband, I will be better as a friend. That's the beauty of tomorrow. There is no such thing as a setback. The lessons I learn today I will apply tomorrow, and I will be better." -- Tiger Woods

"I get no fulfillment from fame. I'd much rather have anonymity but still go out and kick everybody's butt. That would be fun. As long as everyone I competed against knew I beat them, and for me to know as well -- that would be enough." - Tiger Woods

People think this whole "image" of his is fraudulently cultivated because it serves their purposes of believing in this notion of the "wholesome gladiator." You know, someone who kills lions in the arena, but hugs kittens outside of it. The 24-hour news cycle just adds to the insanity of it.

His purported cheating is no one's business outside of his family, but I'm guessing the whole thing is a cover up for something else. (Painkiller addiction, maybe?) And even if he was cheating...coming out and telling the world when apparently his wife is still coping with it would be adding insult to injury. At least, in any normal relationship it seems like it would.

In a strange way, her reaction seems to signal that their marriage isn't what (a lot of people would like to believe it to be) it might seem - rich athlete marries 'pretty' blonde - and instead, a real story of two people in relatively close age who actually fall for each other and go forward with that whole deal. Especially since she was nannying when they met, not say, doing photo shoots.

But at this point, his legacy is ironclad. He's feeding WAY too many people for them to abandon him. Unlike any of the athletes before him, Tiger is the meal ticket for an entire INDUSTRY. Nike Golf didn't EXIST before he came along, purses in the PGA are up substantially since he first arrived and even those on the TOUR who hate that the sports seems to revolve around him, understand that he's the meal ticket.

So unless it comes out that he actually hit Elin, nothing in this story will be anything other than akin to hitting a squirrel when you're driving. You might feel bad and you might even go back and sure the little fucker is ok, but in the end you drive off and keep going where you were headed.

But the whole act of him not wanting to talk about it, is how he's gone about his professional life and I doubt it's going to change now no matter how much PR experts (or the rest of us message board amateurs) seem to think he ought to.

[flere-imsaho]

++ to DC, great post

[rowech]

:rant: Isiah has sexual harrasment charges against him that the team lost in court. Magic will always be linked with AIDS and Kobe will always have that footnote in his history. In 50 years when someone reads a biography of these great athletes, there will always be mention of these events.

I'm not saying that Tiger will have his career ruined at all by this. But I do think it's a mark that will always remain in his profile. Think about his image. It was perfect. His biggest flaw was that he'd get too competitive. Tiger Woods was perfect and now he's not.

Ty Cobb's life affects his legacy? Larry Bird's treatment of his daughter affect his? Michael Jordan's gambling exploits affect his? Babe Ruth's lifestyle affect his? Mickey Mantle? The only thing that gets mentioned is not the badness of his lifestyle as it pertains to morality, etc. but how it affected his career.

They're all things we talk about with these guys but it never factors into their legacies. 50 years from now this even will be nothing. Things fade over time...the only thing that will stand forever are the numbers.

[Samdari]

None of those things will taint their sports careers or legacies in the slightest. A footnote does not a taint make...

People's actions absolutely taint their careers.

Magic's HIV does not taint his career because its an illness. We don't generally hold getting sick against people.

Kobe's rape allegations are not a taint on his career because the general public opinion seems to have swung the way of his accuser having zero credibility.

But, Isiah's career is definitely tainted by his post playing actions. Not the sexual harrassment so much, but his becoming the "Brown Midas" (everything he touches turns to shit) has turned him from being beloved by NBA fans to being the laughingstock of the league.

Ray Lewis' career is definitely tainted by his participation in a murder.

Vick? Taint? Probably.

[Dr. Sak]

Magic's HIV does not taint his career because its an illness. We don't generally hold getting sick against people.
.


Correct me if I am wrong but didn't he get the HIV because he slept with a woman who wasn't his wife who was infected?

[NewIdentity]

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't he get the HIV because he slept with a woman who wasn't his wife who was infected?
I thought he got Aids from all his Homosexual activity. And, one of those was with Isiah Thomas's brother.

[lerriuqs]

People's actions absolutely taint their careers.

Magic's HIV does not taint his career because its an illness. We don't generally hold getting sick against people.

Kobe's rape allegations are not a taint on his career because the general public opinion seems to have swung the way of his accuser having zero credibility.

But, Isiah's career is definitely tainted by his post playing actions. Not the sexual harrassment so much, but his becoming the "Brown Midas" (everything he touches turns to shit) has turned him from being beloved by NBA fans to being the laughingstock of the league.

Ray Lewis' career is definitely tainted by his participation in a murder.

Vick? Taint? Probably.

The point being made was that a blemish in one's personal life will taint one's career. I disagree with the idea as history has proven this to be just the opposite in the majority of cases unless what was done was so severe you end up going to jail for it. Even then, it's no slamdunk. Even your situations bear this out for the most part.

Isiah's career isn't tainted by anything personal - which is the argument being made. He's tainted his career by staying in the professional limelight after playing and made his own bed.

As for Ray Lewis? I dunno - I think that whole situation has been swept under the rug - it happened 9 years ago and you never really hear it talked about.

As for Vick, yes his career is tainted - for now anyways. But he did do something to serious in his personal life and went to jail for it.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Ray Lewis' career is definitely tainted by his participation in a murder.

Not so fast, my friend. I rarely, if ever, think of the Ray Lewis' participation in a murder when I am watching him play football. The only time I even remember the incident is when people bring it up, which is pretty rare.

[DaddyTorgo]

Not so fast, my friend. I rarely, if ever, think of the Ray Lewis' participation in a murder when I am watching him play football. The only time I even remember the incident is when people bring it up, which is pretty rare.

we bring it up all the time when i'm watching games. also the kobe=rapist thing and the vick-thing.

but those are all legal troubles and the idea behind bringing it up is anger that athletes get special treatment.

if a guy cheats on his wife i'm not about to bring it up, because it's not something that makes him any different than anybody else (other than the quality and amount of no-strings-attached pussy he's likely to come across).

IMO if he cheats on his wife and she beats on him or wrecks his shit...

a) he's getting what he deserves
b) she is the one whose reputation ought to be tarnished if he pursues legal action (which we know he won't)

[Fidatelo]

Ray Lewis didn't kill no motherfuckin' lion!

[gstelmack]

Not so fast, my friend. I rarely, if ever, think of the Ray Lewis' participation in a murder when I am watching him play football. The only time I even remember the incident is when people bring it up, which is pretty rare.

I'm on the other side. Once that happened I got pissed off at all the hype he continues to get and have never really liked him. Marvin Harrison's gun issues have certainly tainted his image in my mind. And Allen Iverson will always be a thug to me. These things definitely taint my view of the player, although I know I may well be in a small minority.

[Matthean]

Woods will not participate in any other tournaments in 2009 and will return to action next year.
Source: TigerWoods.com: Tiger unable to play in Chevron World Challenge (http://web.tigerwoods.com/news/article/200911307728116/news/)

Whatever is going on, he's taking time out to smooth things over.


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[DaddyTorgo]

I'm on the other side. Once that happened I got pissed off at all the hype he continues to get and have never really liked him. Marvin Harrison's gun issues have certainly tainted his image in my mind. And Allen Iverson will always be a thug to me. These things definitely taint my view of the player, although I know I may well be in a small minority.

I forgot about Harrison's gun-issue and Iverson's thugishness. And of course Plaxico if he ever returns.

And let's not forget Damon "weed wrapped in tinfoil" Stoudamire. :lol:

[Kodos]

I'm on the other side. Once that happened I got pissed off at all the hype he continues to get and have never really liked him. Marvin Harrison's gun issues have certainly tainted his image in my mind. And Allen Iverson will always be a thug to me. These things definitely taint my view of the player, although I know I may well be in a small minority.

I'm with you.

[molson]

:rant:

Ty Cobb's life affects his legacy? Larry Bird's treatment of his daughter affect his? Michael Jordan's gambling exploits affect his? Babe Ruth's lifestyle affect his? Mickey Mantle?

It's really only the last 10-15 years that we care so much about this stuff.

Larry Bird, in addition to the father issues, got into a drunken bar fight the night before an NBA finals game in the 80s. Nobody cared. It wasn't news.

Tiger Woods hits a fire hydrant and he gets 24-hour news coverage. It's a different world.

[PilotMan]

Great post there by Dark Cloud, G. R. E. A. T.

[Galaxy]

I thought he got Aids from all his Homosexual activity. And, one of those was with Isiah Thomas's brother.

?

[Samdari]

Not so fast, my friend. I rarely, if ever, think of the Ray Lewis' participation in a murder when I am watching him play football. The only time I even remember the incident is when people bring it up, which is pretty rare.

Its all I can think of when I see him play.

[lerriuqs]

Its all I can think of when I see him play.

Based on the fact that he's still playing and it's rarely, if ever, talked about, I think you're in the minority then...

[Dr. Sak]

I really don't think the NFL wants it broadcasted...just like no one says Boo about what Vick did during an Eagles game.

[lerriuqs]

I really don't think the NFL wants it broadcasted...just like no one says Boo about what Vick did during an Eagles game.

But people are still talking about what Vick did and will for a long time. Nobody talked about Ray Lewis for that long - it died down quickly as nothing happened with charges.

[spleen1015]

The only one I think had an impact on their legacy is Magic getting HIV since it ended his career. Everyone else's problems have been pretty much forgotten, IMO.

[Dr. Sak]

But people are still talking about what Vick did and will for a long time. Nobody talked about Ray Lewis for that long - it died down quickly as nothing happened with charges.

I don't disagree, I was responding more to the announcers/commentators bit, sorry.

[thesloppy]

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[JediKooter]

Haynesworth stomps on a players head and that's not talked about.

I can't remember who it was, but, they killed someone after they were drinking and decided to drive, that's not talked about.

Vick, what hasn't been said?

Ray Lewis, that's not talked about.

Ray Caruth, that's not talked about, but, he's in jail, so that may be a little different.

Really, other than showing the rest of the world that you are an idiot, I really don't care what you've done in your personal life. It's your personal life and you are the one that has to deal with consequences of your actions.

I think in todays, "We brought you the news first!!!!" environment, we get to hear more about these things than we did in the past. I don't care who broke the story first. Is it accurate or not? That's what I care about. Then move on, I don't need to hear it for the next 2 months.

Quite frankly, if Tiger Woods wants to try and keep this thing as private as possible, that's ok with me. I don't NEED to know what went on. I don't think he owes anyone an explaination either. Am I curious? Yes, but, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it if I never find out.

[MikeVic]

What did Larry Bird do?

[Radii]

And here's what happens when you keep quiet and don't squash this shit yourself ASAP:

Tiger Woods -- New Woman Surfaces | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/01/tiger-woods-us-weekly-jaimee-grubbs-affair-elin-nordegren-voicemail/)


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She's the one on the left.

[Dr. Sak]

Cheetah....rawr

[JonInMiddleGA]

And here's what happens when you keep quiet and don't squash this shit yourself ASAP:

Tiger Woods -- New Woman Surfaces | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/01/tiger-woods-us-weekly-jaimee-grubbs-affair-elin-nordegren-voicemail/)

LOL

Sad thing is, it really won't matter to any significant degree as long as the proverbial live boy/dead girl isn't involved. As a nation we're pretty much morally bankrupt & nowhere is that more evident than when it comes to sports figures who could probably get away with the dead girl or live boy if they were big enough stars.

[MikeVic]

I'd pick the one in the blue dress for sure.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I'd pick the one in the blue dress for sure.

Or in a drunken pinch even the boob job in the black dress.

But the animal print? Just damn.

[Dr. Sak]

I'd pick the one in the blue dress for sure.

So you like the naughty girl look.

[MikeVic]

So you like the naughty girl look.

She has a nice face and she's shorter. I think the other ones would be too tall for me. In summary, I find the blue dress one the sexiest.

[DaddyTorgo]

I find the blue dress one the sexiest.

yeah. then i guess the black top if i had to. and then the other two...yech.

Although - the one on the right...she was on Tool Academy too I think (flipped past it a couple times what can i say), and when she's not all made-up like that she is probably the best-looking of all of them. definately has the "you could take me home to mom" look. but that makeup job...ugh

[Young Drachma]

People are apparently leaving comments on his site through the various articles but they're doing an effective job of weeding out what must be mounds of spammers.

TigerWoods.com: News: Article Comments (http://web.tigerwoods.com/news/article/comments/200911207694988/news)

Funny, if you look on the bottom right the site is powered by MLB.com. That interactive media arm of theirs is raking in boatloads of cash.

[Young Drachma]

And our tabloid media friends at TMZ have announced the case is against Tiger, not his wife.

Florida Troopers Go After Tiger | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/01/florida-highway-patrol-tiger-woods-charges-car-crash-pills/)

Law enforcement sources tell TMZ the Florida Highway Patrol will move to have charges filed against Tiger Woods in connection with the accident last Friday.

We are told the FHP will announce the case is against Tiger -- not his wife. We do not know if the FHP will arrest Tiger or refer the case to prosecutors.

We know FHP was investigating whether Tiger was driving his SUV under the influence.

Tiger was drifting in and out of consciousness after the accident. As we first reported, his wife gave paramedics two bottles of prescription meds she says Tiger had taken though she did not know when. There was no evidence of alcohol.

The FHP is holding a news conference at 3:00 PM ET. We will livestream.

Read more: Florida Troopers Go After Tiger | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/01/florida-highway-patrol-tiger-woods-charges-car-crash-pills/#ixzz0YSzY8ISP)

[Galaxy]

Interesting article:

Rachel Uchitel & Tiger Woods: The Club Connection - BlackBook (http://www.blackbookmag.com/article/good-night-mr-lewis-uchitel-woods-club-connection/13466)

Also, isn't it a problem when one of your partners, GM and the people in charge of building the product he was driving, questions how it happened?
Tiger Woods’ Crash: Not Adding Up « Glick Report (http://glickreport.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2009/12/01/tiger-woods-crash-not-adding-up/)

[Young Drachma]

Golf Channel clears things up:

http://www.thegolfchannel.com/shag-bag/woods-cited-careless-driving-34079/

Sources close to the Florida Highway Patrol investigation into Tiger Woods’ car accident early last Friday have told GolfChannel.com that the world’s best player is going to be cited for careless driving and issued a ticket.

Florida Highway Patrol plans to hold a 3 p.m. ET press conference in Orlando, which can be seen live on Golf Channel, and the source confirmed the incident which occurred just outside Woods’ Isleworth home would not be pursued any further.

[gstelmack]

I can't remember who it was, but, they killed someone after they were drinking and decided to drive, that's not talked about.

Leonard Little, already brought up.

And as I said above, I remember most of those incidents. You added Haynesworth to the list, and I don't like him, either, thanks to "the incident".

Of course I still cringe whenever I hear Christian Laettner's name, but everyone keeps trying to tell me Kentucky was wacking on him all game so he was okay with his chest stomp.

[Galaxy]

Tiger needs to fire his PR/lawyers and take a lesson from Letterman.

[SirFozzie]

TMZ is trying to make the story go longer, but failing. Tiger's really handled this well.

[DanGarion]

if a guy cheats on his wife i'm not about to bring it up, because it's not something that makes him any different than anybody else
What????

[Dr. Sak]

What????

YOU HEARD HIM CHEATER!!

;)

[DanGarion]

And here's what happens when you keep quiet and don't squash this shit yourself ASAP:

Tiger Woods -- New Woman Surfaces | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/01/tiger-woods-us-weekly-jaimee-grubbs-affair-elin-nordegren-voicemail/)


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She's the one on the left.

Yes, No, YES, no.

[SirFozzie]

Golfer Tiger Woods will be cited for "careless driving" and faces a fine of up to $164, said Major Cindy Williams of the Florida Highway Patrol, who added that the investigation into his crash is over and police won't pursue criminal charges.

So, thee final score, Tiger 1, Tabloid Press and websites 0.. however I'm sure that the Tabloid press and web will be sniffing after him for months, trying to nail him, because he wouldn't play the game.

[Passacaglia]

Golfer Tiger Woods will be cited for "careless driving" and faces a fine of up to $164, said Major Cindy Williams of the Florida Highway Patrol, who added that the investigation into his crash is over and police won't pursue criminal charges.

So, thee final score, Tiger and Shirley 1, Tabloid Press, websites, and Laverne 0.. however I'm sure that the Tabloid press and web will be sniffing after him for months, trying to nail him, because he wouldn't play the game.

Fixed.

[Galaxy]

Did Tiger have an orgy in Boston or something? Our Mass. FOFCers are pretty passionate.

[SirFozzie]

Just glad to see the trashpress denied their "kill" so to speak.

[Autumn]

And here's what happens when you keep quiet and don't squash this shit yourself ASAP:

Tiger Woods -- New Woman Surfaces | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/01/tiger-woods-us-weekly-jaimee-grubbs-affair-elin-nordegren-voicemail/)


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She's the one on the left.

Whereas I'd go Eh, YES, yes, Eh.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Whereas I'd go Eh, YES, yes, Eh.

Concur.

[Neuqua]

In case you were confused, the Chinese make the events of that night clearer:

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[sooner333]

In case you were confused, the Chinese make the events of that night clearer:


I didn't know Cadillac made an Escalade Astro. Terrific find, btw.

[digamma]

Just glad to see the trashpress denied their "kill" so to speak.

They got tons of traffic, likely from new or non-standard readers, for four plus days on what would have been a slow news weekend. Sounds like a pretty good pull to me.

[Radii]

I didn't know Cadillac made an Escalade Astro. Terrific find, btw.

haha the re-enactment with the ominous music and Elin running behind the SUV with a golf club is incredible.

[DaddyTorgo]

What????

sorry - i should have worded that better. if a celebrity guy cheats on his wife it doesn't make him any different than a normal person who cheats on their wife.

[JediKooter]

Leonard Little, already brought up.

And as I said above, I remember most of those incidents. You added Haynesworth to the list, and I don't like him, either, thanks to "the incident".

Of course I still cringe whenever I hear Christian Laettner's name, but everyone keeps trying to tell me Kentucky was wacking on him all game so he was okay with his chest stomp.

Ah, that's who it was, thank you.

Laettner is one too in my opinion. Even Roberto Alomar when he spat in the umps face still bugs me. Or Albert Bell throwing elbows at second basemen and his girlfriends.

[Danny]

I am the same, I remember these events and they do affect how I think of a player. Too many good players who are also good guys to spend time rooting for the dirt bags.

[Atocep]

Too many good players who are also good guys to spend time rooting for the dirt bags.

Those good guys are likely good guys because we don't any better yet.

[Danny]

Those good guys are likely good guys because we don't any better yet.

Who knows of course, but I'll take the not yet proven to be a douche over the one who has.

[Samdari]

Based on the fact that he's still playing and it's rarely, if ever, talked about, I think you're in the minority then...

I don't think I am in the minority. I think anyone who was an avid football fan at the time it happened thinks about it every time his name is mentioned.

I also guess those that cannot think for themselves would need broadcasters to tell them what to think about. That's the only way I can see you making the correlation between the broadcasters mentioning it, and people not thinking about it.

I would guess that whether or not the first thing that pops to mind when mentioning Ray Lewis to a football fan would be dependent on age. Those above a certain age think of his role in that, those below think of his playing career.

[JonInMiddleGA]

So, thee final score, Tiger 1, Tabloid Press and websites 0.. however I'm sure that the Tabloid press and web will be sniffing after him for months, trying to nail him, because he wouldn't play the game.

So he's revealed as another scum ball cheating on his wife repeatedly & somehow that's a win for him?

Like I said earlier, it's really hard for an athlete to do anything that won't be forgiven or apparently even praised for.

[DaddyTorgo]

So he's revealed as another scum ball cheating on his wife repeatedly & somehow that's a win for him?

Like I said earlier, it's really hard for an athlete to do anything that won't be forgiven or apparently even praised for.

do we know that he was cheating yet though? i'm the first to string someone up for that, but all we have right now is gossip websites and a reality-tv girl looking to keep her name in the media, right?

[JonInMiddleGA]

do we know that he was cheating yet though? i'm the first to string someone up for that, but all we have right now is gossip websites and a reality-tv girl looking to keep her name in the media, right?

Awful lot of smoke for there to be no fire.

[Atocep]

So he's revealed as another scum ball cheating on his wife repeatedly & somehow that's a win for him?

Like I said earlier, it's really hard for an athlete to do anything that won't be forgiven or apparently even praised for.

Whether its right or not, I'm willing to bet the vast majority of people really don't care if he cheated on his wife.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Did Tiger have an orgy in Boston or something? Our Mass. FOFCers are pretty passionate.

Well, my Mass-take is that I man I will never meet got in a one car accident and I don't give a shit at all.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Whether its right or not, I'm willing to bet the vast majority of people really don't care if he cheated on his wife.

Hence my comments earlier about the state of American society. {shrug}
Ain't like this incident told me anything I didn't already know.

edit to add: Although at the very least he ought to be pilloried for his choice in skanks.

[DaddyTorgo]

Awful lot of smoke for there to be no fire.


that's true

[rowech]

What did Larry Bird do?

He had a daughter from his first marriage that he denied even being the father of. She constantly tried to get some time from him...writing, calling, whatever and he never gave her the time of day. She wanted to go with him to his hall of fame induction, wanted to be with him as he started coaching, and a whole bunch of stuff before that. It's clear when you hear her talk about it that she just wanted a relationship with her dad...I think mostly because she was proud to be his daughter and he just ignored her in just about every way possible.

[MikeVic]

He had a daughter from his first marriage that he denied even being the father of. She constantly tried to get some time from him...writing, calling, whatever and he never gave her the time of day. She wanted to go with him to his hall of fame induction, wanted to be with him as he started coaching, and a whole bunch of stuff before that. It's clear when you hear her talk about it that she just wanted a relationship with her dad...I think mostly because she was proud to be his daughter and he just ignored her in just about every way possible.

:( Damn I had no idea. He's a fav of mine, and reading Bill Simmons' book right now makes me like him even more... but finding out about this sucks. Karl Malone sank even deeper in my books when I found out about his kid thing, and this seems similar to that.

[RainMaker]

Yeah, Larry Bird is kind of a shitbag. I remember watching the SportsCentury series ESPN did awhile back and it was covered in that. Kind of sad.

I honestly never understood why athletes are so intrigued with marriage. Why not just go the Derek Jeter route and fuck a ton of hot chicks without having to hide it from your wife and fear being taken to the cleaners by her in divorce? I mean if you want to be married and have kids, then do it. But if you want to fuck hot chicks all across the country, don't get married.

[SirFozzie]

that's true

(re: The allegations of Tiger's "mistress")

Not when you have trashpress creating the smoke out of nothing at all.

[Logan]

(re: The allegations of Tiger's "mistress")

Not when you have trashpress creating the smoke out of nothing at all.

Someone is gonna be upset soon.......

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

(re: The allegations of Tiger's "mistress")

Not when you have trashpress creating the smoke out of nothing at all.

I'm guessing you haven't read the recent reports. These women coming out of the woodwork have kept text messages and voice message both originating from Tiger's phone. Tiger's been playing around a LOT.

[Atocep]

I don't think you go out and get a "Kobe Special" unless you really fucked up.

[rowech]

:( Damn I had no idea. He's a fav of mine, and reading Bill Simmons' book right now makes me like him even more... but finding out about this sucks. Karl Malone sank even deeper in my books when I found out about his kid thing, and this seems similar to that.

Yeah...don't expect to see anything bad written about Larry in that book. I finished it about a week ago. Nice read...way too long in my opinion...some of the jokes got old. That said, I learned a lot about a lot of guys.

[Young Drachma]

I don't think you go out and get a "Kobe Special" unless you really fucked up.

That story was so bogus. Ordinary people don't buy rings retail, why the hell would Tiger even utter the word "Zales" in a conversation?

People will believe anything.

[Atocep]

That story was so bogus. Ordinary people don't buy rings retail, why the hell would Tiger even utter the word "Zales" in a conversation?

People will believe anything.


My post was more of a joke than anything. I don't read the TMZ or wherever the story originated from. I found the phrase funny.

I don't give a shit what Tiger does in his spare time. Whether he screws 1000 chicks and buys his wife an island to make up for it makes no difference to me.

[JediKooter]

Yeah, Larry Bird is kind of a shitbag. I remember watching the SportsCentury series ESPN did awhile back and it was covered in that. Kind of sad.

I honestly never understood why athletes are so intrigued with marriage. Why not just go the Derek Jeter route and fuck a ton of hot chicks without having to hide it from your wife and fear being taken to the cleaners by her in divorce? I mean if you want to be married and have kids, then do it. But if you want to fuck hot chicks all across the country, don't get married.

That's what I was doing before the ACL injury...

[Young Drachma]

My post was more of a joke than anything. I don't read the TMZ or wherever the story originated from. I found the phrase funny.

I don't give a shit what Tiger does in his spare time. Whether he screws 1000 chicks and buys his wife an island to make up for it makes no difference to me.

As I wrote my post, I thought, "DC he's probably just kidding."

I'm gonna go play NCAA 10 and take someone unrealistic to a bowl game. Tiger Woods 10 was too much of a wreck to keep bothering with.

[SirFozzie]

TMZ, US Magazine, etcetera? If you want to believe the trashpress, go ahead, I'll wait till somebody who doesn't make shit up as they go verifies it

[RainMaker]

TMZ, US Magazine, etcetera? If you want to believe the trashpress, go ahead, I'll wait till somebody who doesn't make shit up as they go verifies it
Sadly, those magazines to better investigative reporting than the regular press.

[Young Drachma]

Tiger Woods alleged other woman Rachel Uchitel gives exclusive interview with The Post - NYPOST.com (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/the_night_that_my_life_spun_o5oYvhdiiYINolBBteiOFL/0)

New York Post interview with Rachel Uchitel. Talks about how she knew him, etc.

[Chubby]

TMZ, US Magazine, etcetera? If you want to believe the trashpress, go ahead, I'll wait till somebody who doesn't make shit up as they go verifies it

Did you copyright "trashpress"?

Give it up, Tiger got caught cheating regardless of who reports it and whether you are trying to set a record for trying to coin a phrase or not.

[SirFozzie]

Did you copyright "trashpress"?

Give it up, Tiger got caught cheating regardless of who reports it and whether you are trying to set a record for trying to coin a phrase or not.

Figured I should call a spade a spade (if that sentence hasn't been revoked for being un-PC). It's yellow journalism in the grand tradition of the Hearst and Pulitzer (Remember the Maine, anyone?).. Right now, there's nothing but speculation, and glory hounds wanting their 15 minutes of fame, and uncriticizing sheep who swallow it and baaaaa for more.

[Chubby]

trashpress trashpress trashpress

We've been down this road before.

Barry Bonds didn't take steroids, Bill Clinton didn't get a blowjob, yada yada yada. Even with hard evidence I'm sure you'll still deny it and blame it on the media.

Where there's smoke there's fire, it'll come out no matter how much Tiger tries to keep it private.

[SirFozzie]

We've been down this road before.

Barry Bonds didn't take steroids, Bill Clinton didn't get a blowjob, yada yada yada. Even with hard evidence I'm sure you'll still deny it and blame it on the media.

Where there's smoke there's fire, it'll come out no matter how much Tiger tries to keep it private.

I prefer the more accurate "Where there's money to be made, even by lying, there will be people creating smoke". I do agree that privacy is dead in this modern age, but Tiger can't win. He fights all this stuff, he loses (see Roger Clemens). He lets everyone smear him, he loses (see current situation).

[Galaxy]

We still don't know what "caused" the accident with Tiger. (and if his wife did manage to get a few swings at him) And the way Tiger operates, hiding out and not using the legal force he usually uses kind of puts him in a tough spot. He's the one celebrity that will come guns blazing (in a legal sense) if you're spreading lies about him. So I'm sure the "trashpress" is a lot more careful with him.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Figured I should call a spade a spade (if that sentence hasn't been revoked for being un-PC).

Incidentally this phrase has absolutely no racial overtones to it.

[SirFozzie]

We still don't know what "caused" the accident with Tiger. (and if his wife did manage to get a few swings at him) And the way Tiger operates, hiding out and not using the legal force he usually uses kind of puts him in a tough spot.

The guy absolutely values his privacy.. I saw a story elsewhere that when Tiger was at Hazeltine, he rented a place at top dollar, with the caveat that if the press harassed him at the place, he (tiger) would get the rental fee back (to disincentivize the owner from blabbing to all and sundry that Tiger was staying there).

I honestly think that the best thing Tiger can do is exactly what he's doing. He doesn't have to play golf for another couple months (new season doesn't start till what, late Jan, early Feb), and the yellow press loves it when people try to fight back, it gives them new avenues of attack, and new statements to nitpick into twisting its meaning like a pretzel.

[SirFozzie]

Incidentally this phrase has absolutely no racial overtones to it.

Yes, I know.. but some ultra-PC people have objected to it, because in their minds that it does have racial overtones, despite the statement being approximately 550 years old in English, and older in other languages

[jeff061]

Racist.

[gstelmack]

If Tiger had just talked to the police about the accident with his lawyer present, this would have blown over by now. The fact that he didn't indicates to everyone that he's hiding SOMETHING. This is all that simple.

[SirFozzie]

If Tiger had just talked to the police about the accident with his lawyer present, this would have blown over by now. The fact that he didn't indicates to everyone that he's hiding SOMETHING. This is all that simple.

No, the fact that he didn't indicates to everyone that he's a private person and that anything told to the cops would be on a speed dial to be leaked to the yellow press.. the cops had no reason to seek his medical records, he wasn't drunk, etcetera, so they really had no pressing need to talk to him.

The yellow press tried to force the issue, remember all the reports that the police were going to seek a warrant to obtain Woods's medical records? That never went anywhere, did it?

[Pumpy Tudors]

No, the fact that he didn't indicates to everyone that he's a private person and that anything told to the cops would be on a speed dial to be leaked to the yellow press..
So somebody's got Chinese newspapers on speed dial!

[SirFozzie]

So somebody's got Chinese newspapers on speed dial!

Well, I figured I'd give the accurate phrase trashpress a rest, but yellow journalism sells, sadly.. (and I'm a former CommArts major, who wanted to go into radio or journalism)

[Galaxy]

No, the fact that he didn't indicates to everyone that he's a private person and that anything told to the cops would be on a speed dial to be leaked to the yellow press.. the cops had no reason to seek his medical records, he wasn't drunk, etcetera, so they really had no pressing need to talk to him.

The yellow press tried to force the issue, remember all the reports that the police were going to seek a warrant to obtain Woods's medical records? That never went anywhere, did it?

I believe the cops have the right to look at his medical records without a warrant.

[Galaxy]

The guy absolutely values his privacy.. I saw a story elsewhere that when Tiger was at Hazeltine, he rented a place at top dollar, with the caveat that if the press harassed him at the place, he (tiger) would get the rental fee back (to disincentivize the owner from blabbing to all and sundry that Tiger was staying there).

I honestly think that the best thing Tiger can do is exactly what he's doing. He doesn't have to play golf for another couple months (new season doesn't start till what, late Jan, early Feb), and the yellow press loves it when people try to fight back, it gives them new avenues of attack, and new statements to nitpick into twisting its meaning like a pretzel.

I don't think it "blow over" with all these rumors flying around and what really happen.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

If the gender roles were reversed, would we still be trumpeting the potential victim's right to privacy over finding out what actually happened?

[McSweeny]

If the gender roles were reversed, would we still be trumpeting the potential victim's right to privacy over finding out what actually happened?

of course not

[cthomer5000]

Whereas I'd go Eh, YES, yes, Eh.

#2 is my #1, for sure. So i agree with you there.

In reality?

Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes

I am an animal

[SirFozzie]

I believe the cops have the right to look at his medical records without a warrant.

From Monday:

Tiger Woods Withdraws From Tournament He Hosts - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/sports/golf/01woods.html)

The stalemate continued Monday between the police and Woods, who has declined to speak with investigators from the Florida Highway Patrol. A spokeswoman for the patrol would not say whether the police were trying to obtain a search warrant for Woods’s medical records from Health Central Hospital in Ocoee, Fla., where Woods was treated after the accident. The records could shed light on how Woods was injured.

[lerriuqs]

I don't think I am in the minority. I think anyone who was an avid football fan at the time it happened thinks about it every time his name is mentioned.

I also guess those that cannot think for themselves would need broadcasters to tell them what to think about. That's the only way I can see you making the correlation between the broadcasters mentioning it, and people not thinking about it.

I would guess that whether or not the first thing that pops to mind when mentioning Ray Lewis to a football fan would be dependent on age. Those above a certain age think of his role in that, those below think of his playing career.

I disagree entirely. Lewis just isn't that big a deal to most people.

Who said I was talking about broadcasters anyways? Nice assumption - before you try thinking for yourself, just try to think first. It helps honest.