Official 2010-11 College Basketball Thread

[Samdari]

Thought Wade would find this interesting:

The Syracuse Orange will face Detroit and William & Mary in the regional rounds of the 2010 Legends Classic.

Syracuse will play Detroit on Nov. 16 at the Carrier Dome. The Orange will then host William & Mary on Nov. 21.

[molson]

The format of the expanded new tournament was announced today.

The "First Four" will have the final 4 at-large qualifiers and the worst 4 automatic qualifiers

The last four "at-large" teams will be placed on the seed line they deserved - so you could have two at-large teams playing, with the winner moving on to play the 5 or 6 seed in the next round.

That play-in round will be called the "first four", and the first round is now the "second round", and the second round is now the "third round". I hate it when organizations feel the need to fib and and feel like they're covering up something "bad". Why can't they call it the play-in round? Nobody's feelings will be too hurt, they'll notice they're playing two days before everyone else.

Other than that, I like the hybrid setup of weak automatic qualifiers and weak at-large teams playing for the chance to get into their appropriate places in the tournament.

NCAA reveals format of new 68-team tournament - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5374116).

[Swaggs]

I still don't like the idea of the #1 seeds potentially playing against a school from a power conference that may have been hurt by injuries earlier in the season or that is maybe just starting to gel.

[TargetPractice6]

I still don't like the idea of the #1 seeds potentially playing against a school from a power conference that may have been hurt by injuries earlier in the season or that is maybe just starting to gel.They won't. The at-large teams will be playing for the spot they would have normally been seeded at. For instance, two at large 11 seeds will be playing to see who plays a 6 seed in the "second" round.

[RPI-Fan]

I still don't like the idea of the #1 seeds potentially playing against a school from a power conference that may have been hurt by injuries earlier in the season or that is maybe just starting to gel.

Uhh they won't. The at-large play-in games will be between two 10's, 11's, or 12's (wherever the lowest at-large is seeded that year) who will go on to play two 7's, 6's, or 5's, respectfully.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

The Big 12 portion of the Big Monday schedule was announced. Pretty obvious where the strong Big 12 teams lie this year with Texas, Baylor, MU, KSU, and KU getting multiple appearances. Not surprisingly, no Colorado or Nebraska games are on the slate.

2011 Big 12 Men’s Basketball Schedule On ESPN’s Big Monday

All games televised on ESPN and available on ESPN3.com

Date Game Time (CT)

January 17 Kansas State at Missouri 4:30 p.m.

Kansas at Baylor 8:30 p.m.

January 24 Baylor at Kansas State 8:00 p.m.

January 31 Texas at Texas A&M 8:00 p.m.

February 7 Missouri at Kansas 8:00 p.m.

February 14 Kansas at Kansas State 8:00 p.m.

February 21 Oklahoma State at Kansas 8:00 p.m.

February 28 Kansas State at Texas 8:00 p.m.

[DataKing]

No Iowa State either. I know they've struggled, but I'd still like to see a game in Ames on Big Monday.

[Chief Rum]

The Big 12 portion of the Big Monday schedule was announced. Pretty obvious where the strong Big 12 teams lie this year with Texas, Baylor, MU, KSU, and NU getting multiple appearances. Not surprisingly, no Colorado or Nebraska games are on the slate.

Huh?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Huh?

The KU fans probably would have caught that typo. :) Fixed.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

No Iowa State either. I know they've struggled, but I'd still like to see a game in Ames on Big Monday.

I hope Hoiberg jump-starts that program as long as it's not at Mizzou's expense. Really likable guy and great fan base.

[DataKing]

The KU fans probably would have caught that typo. :) Fixed.

I just figured you meant it as some sort of slam on KU, and didn't feel like rising to what I felt might be bait.

[tarcone]

No Iowa State either. I know they've struggled, but I'd still like to see a game in Ames on Big Monday.

Why? Who would watch? And why would they watch?

I hope Hoiberg jump-starts that program as long as it's not at Mizzou's expense. Really likable guy and great fan base.

Why? And a great fan base? Iowa State fans are the definition of the old Iowa joke. You know, what does Iowa stand for? Idiots out wandering around.
I hope Iowa State loses all their games by at last 20.

[tarcone]

And my prediction for Iowa this season is 17-20 wins.

[Chief Rum]

The KU fans probably would have caught that typo. :) Fixed.

Ah of course!

[wade moore]

Thought Wade would find this interesting:

The Syracuse Orange will face Detroit and William & Mary in the regional rounds of the 2010 Legends Classic.

Syracuse will play Detroit on Nov. 16 at the Carrier Dome. The Orange will then host William & Mary on Nov. 21.

This got posted while I was on travel.

Yeah, I'm very excited about being in this tournament. We host a piece of it against very beatable schools, giving us a good shot at another game against a high-major team including the Syracuse game.

We're going to be very young, so it's good early season experience.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I just figured you meant it as some sort of slam on KU, and didn't feel like rising to what I felt might be bait.

No, I was just doing some business when I tossed that post up. Obviously, I wasn't paying attention fully. It can't be a slam when I've already posted the list clearly showing that KU has three Big Monday appearances.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Certainly not anything here that I and others haven't already noted as happening during recruiting, but always interesting to see how honest these coaches become about the game of recruiting as soon as you tell them they won't be cited in the story.

I had to laugh at the North Carolina comment. Same stuff happened when Roy was at Kansas as well. It's the main reason Mizzou went on probation. Roy acts like a spoiled brat when he loses out on a recruit.

Dana O'Neil: ESPN.com coaching survey on dirty college basketball recruiting - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=oneil_dana&id=5398415)

[BishopMVP]

NCAA Football is at least giving the perception of cracking down. Meanwhile, NCAA Basketball just announced the new head of the committee - UConn AD Jeff Hathaway. Who is currently drafting the school's response to NCAA allegations of 8 major violations by Jim Calhoun and staff. Coming from the same organization that declared Derrick Rose and OJ Mayo ineligible after they played in the NCAA tournament and declared for the NBA, guess we know where the priorities are.

[Wolfpack]

Certainly not anything here that I and others haven't already noted as happening during recruiting, but always interesting to see how honest these coaches become about the game of recruiting as soon as you tell them they won't be cited in the story.

I had to laugh at the North Carolina comment. Same stuff happened when Roy was at Kansas as well. It's the main reason Mizzou went on probation. Roy acts like a spoiled brat when he loses out on a recruit.

Dana O'Neil: ESPN.com coaching survey on dirty college basketball recruiting - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=oneil_dana&id=5398415)

Meh. That's North Carolina in general. Roy's a Dean Smith protegee after all. Even if it's not the coaches who say it, the fans and the media (thanks, UNC Journalism School) tend to articulate similar thoughts all the time.

[Izulde]

Tre'Von Willis, our best player, pleaded not guilty to a misdemeanor count involving an incident with a woman back in June. Full article is linked below, then my comments.

UNLV's Tre'Von Willis pleads not guilty to misdemeanor charge - Las Vegas Sun (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/jul/21/unlvs-trevon-willis-pleads-not-guilty-misdemeanor-/)

Now, from what I've been able to ascertain, this Skye chick is something of a UNLV basketball groupie who's tried to cause trouble before. Tre'Von is dating another girl named Erica and the general consensus seems to be that Skye is full of shit and that there were logical holes and inconsistencies in her story.

I have to say that based on everything I've read, I think he's innocent of the criminal charges, but he's guilty of being a damn fool for messing around with this Skye girl. Groupies are no good, man.

[the_meanstrosity]

I had to laugh at the North Carolina comment. Same stuff happened when Roy was at Kansas as well. It's the main reason Mizzou went on probation. Roy acts like a spoiled brat when he loses out on a recruit.


Huh? So you're suggesting that Roy Williams caused Missouri to go on probation? I could have sworn Ricky Clemons played a pretty big part when he publicly suggested an assistant coach paid him. I'll be the first to say that Roy Williams has cried wolf a few times in recruiting, but I don't recall him claiming any wrong doing by Snyder and staff.

[Radii]

Huh? So you're suggesting that Roy Williams caused Missouri to go on probation?

I have heard other Mizzou fans that i'm friends with off the board suggest the same.

[Radii]

Meh. That's North Carolina in general. Roy's a Dean Smith protegee after all. Even if it's not the coaches who say it, the fans and the media (thanks, UNC Journalism School) tend to articulate similar thoughts all the time.

What do you think the odds are that the anonymous coach who said that was Gary Williams? At least 50%, right?

[Wolfpack]

What do you think the odds are that the anonymous coach who said that was Gary Williams? At least 50%, right?

Dunno. UNC gets enough good players as it is, even when they don't *really* get good players (Neil Fingleton, anyone?). So if UNC coaches (or fans or media, etc) are complaining about stealing or cheating, I'll once again break out my small violin. :p

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Huh? So you're suggesting that Roy Williams caused Missouri to go on probation? I could have sworn Ricky Clemons played a pretty big part when he publicly suggested an assistant coach paid him. I'll be the first to say that Roy Williams has cried wolf a few times in recruiting, but I don't recall him claiming any wrong doing by Snyder and staff.

It's an interesting form of revisionist history you're attempting, but it has no basis in fact. As noted in the article, they have a code of silence that generally holds as they know that any ratting out of another program may come back on them. Roy doesn't hold to that in any way. If you get on his s$#% list, he's going to report you. Snyder was making in-roads on some of his recruits and he was aware of what were some relatively minor violations. Roy was the one that reported Snyder on those violations.

Of course, the situation blew up big-time with all the stupid stuff that had nothing to do with the violations (which included Ricky's money claim that was proven to be unfounded), but there's no question that Roy got that ball rolling.

[MrBug708]

I would say that Clemmons taking the money got the ball rolling

[the_meanstrosity]

It's an interesting form of revisionist history you're attempting, but it has no basis in fact. As noted in the article, they have a code of silence that generally holds as they know that any ratting out of another program may come back on them. Roy doesn't hold to that in any way. If you get on his s$#% list, he's going to report you. Snyder was making in-roads on some of his recruits and he was aware of what were some relatively minor violations. Roy was the one that reported Snyder on those violations.

Of course, the situation blew up big-time with all the stupid stuff that had nothing to do with the violations (which included Ricky's money claim that was proven to be unfounded), but there's no question that Roy got that ball rolling.

So where is it stated that Roy turned MU in? Because I've never seen it stated except from a few MU fans. Now I know for a fact Roy turned Wichita State in during the Maurice Evans recruitment. But MU? Never. Plus the guys that MU recruited which they found violations for weren't KU recruits. The only KU-MU recruit in recent years that Roy went toe to toe with Quin Snyder for was Trayvon Bryant. And Bryant actually lost his offer when Darnell Jackson gave his verbal.

I'll believe you if you have actual proof suggesting Roy turned MU in because I know Roy has done it before. But I've yet to see you give that proof.

[the_meanstrosity]

I would say that Clemmons taking the money got the ball rolling

That's kind of what I thought. The NCAA didn't start looking into MU until the Clemons situation and then the St. Louis Post Dispatch dug up the phone calls to recruits which got thrown into the mess. Unless Roy was feeding the St. Louis Post Dispatch, I don't buy it.

Again, I know Roy has made claims against other programs, but MU isn't one of them as far as I know.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

That's kind of what I thought. The NCAA didn't start looking into MU until the Clemons situation and then the St. Louis Post Dispatch dug up the phone calls to recruits which got thrown into the mess. Unless Roy was feeding the St. Louis Post Dispatch, I don't buy it.

Again, I know Roy has made claims against other programs, but MU isn't one of them as far as I know.

Fair enough. You're not aware of exactly what happened surrounding that situation and you admit as much by saying 'as far as I know'. Makes it easier to understand why you wouldn't know that it happened.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Some early fallout triggered by the ongoing KU ticket scandal investigation. The Pump Brothers and their organization have been black-balled by the NCAA coaches from any further dealings due to money funneling and money laundering concerns.

NABC tells coaches NCAA will nix Pump Foundation - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100723/ap_on_sp_co_ne/bkc_coaches_pump_brothers)

[MrBug708]

So where is it stated that Roy turned MU in? Because I've never seen it stated except from a few MU fans. Now I know for a fact Roy turned Wichita State in during the Maurice Evans recruitment. But MU? Never. Plus the guys that MU recruited which they found violations for weren't KU recruits. The only KU-MU recruit in recent years that Roy went toe to toe with Quin Snyder for was Trayvon Bryant. And Bryant actually lost his offer when Darnell Jackson gave his verbal.

I'll believe you if you have actual proof suggesting Roy turned MU in because I know Roy has done it before. But I've yet to see you give that proof.

should have said Nolan Richardson told you. You'd have more cred this way

[MrBug708]

Some early fallout triggered by the ongoing KU ticket scandal investigation. The Pump Brothers and their organization have been black-balled by the NCAA coaches from any further dealings due to money funneling and money laundering concerns.

NABC tells coaches NCAA will nix Pump Foundation - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100723/ap_on_sp_co_ne/bkc_coaches_pump_brothers)

Coaches can still attend and I wouldn't hold your breath on the ban lasting.

Basically anything that would diminish the power of AAU organizations and their operators is a good thing for college basketball, especially something that drives a wedge between college basketball coaches and AAU operators which right now are incentivized to have close ties and relationships for mutual benefit. There's plenty of incentive in multiple directions between prospective new coach, friend of Pump coach, hiring school/Pump client, and the Pumps to scratch each other's backs before, curing and after the coach is actually hired. The Pumps just have their fingers in too many pies. Now you've got them eliminated from coaching searches and the ticket scalping issue seems like it's finally being addressed. If they are running an AAU program, that's really all they should be doing -- traveling their AAU teams and organizing events for AAU teams to compete in. No coaching searches, no scalping NCAZ tickets, and no recruiting newsletters.

[the_meanstrosity]

Fair enough. You're not aware of exactly what happened surrounding that situation and you admit as much by saying 'as far as I know'. Makes it easier to understand why you wouldn't know that it happened.

So you're pretty much suggesting you have no actual evidence to support your claim? Par for the course when it comes to you and your "sources". Honestly, why do you make stuff up when you know 90% of the people on here know you're lying?

[the_meanstrosity]

Some early fallout triggered by the ongoing KU ticket scandal investigation. The Pump Brothers and their organization have been black-balled by the NCAA coaches from any further dealings due to money funneling and money laundering concerns.

NABC tells coaches NCAA will nix Pump Foundation - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100723/ap_on_sp_co_ne/bkc_coaches_pump_brothers)

The funny thing is that Missouri actually has more Pump N Run athletes than Kansas per the Pump N Run coach, Goolsby. Ricky Kreklow, Marcus Denmon, Steve Moore, and Michael Dixon are all Pump N Run players.

“Talk like that is discouraging. We’ve had more guys attend Missouri than Kansas. Kids like Tyrel and Brady grew up loving the University of Kansas. They didn’t need anybody telling them to go to Kansas. Same with Conner (Teahan). He gave up opportunities to play on scholarship at other places to walk-on.”

[RainMaker]

If tarcone or any other Iowa fans post here, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on Anthony Tucker.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

So you're pretty much suggesting you have no actual evidence to support your claim? Par for the course when it comes to you and your "sources". Honestly, why do you make stuff up when you know 90% of the people on here know you're lying?

I'll speak slowly to help you out.

I know with 100% certainty that Roy Williams was the one that triggered the investigation into Mizzou. Where you've obviously got lost is the notion that I'm defending the Mizzou violations in any way. That's not what this discussion is about. Most coaches play with a certain set of rules as noted within the article. Roy Williams thinks he's above any NCAA rules and is the first one to throw another coach under the bus when he doesn't like how things are going. He's a petty individual and it's clear to anyone who knows how the recruiting game is played why he's despised by coaches despite his 'Aw shucks' impression to general fans of the programs he's coaching.

[the_meanstrosity]

I'll speak slowly to help you out.

I know with 100% certainty that Roy Williams was the one that triggered the investigation into Mizzou. Where you've obviously got lost is the notion that I'm defending the Mizzou violations in any way. That's not what this discussion is about. Most coaches play with a certain set of rules as noted within the article. Roy Williams thinks he's above any NCAA rules and is the first one to throw another coach under the bus when he doesn't like how things are going. He's a petty individual and it's clear to anyone who knows how the recruiting game is played why he's despised by coaches despite his 'Aw shucks' impression to general fans of the programs he's coaching.

Again, I ask for proof that Roy Williams turned MU in and you've given me nothing. Let's be honest, you don't have a very good track record of having inside knowledge of Missouri athletics. Heck I'm still waiting for MU to sign that Big Ten contract you reported. So instead of speaking slowly why don't you provide some evidence because normally when you don't provide evidence you're usually speaking out of another orifice that isn't your mouth.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Again, I ask for proof that Roy Williams turned MU in and you've given me nothing. Let's be honest, you don't have a very good track record of having inside knowledge of Missouri athletics. Heck I'm still waiting for MU to sign that Big Ten contract you reported. So instead of speaking slowly why don't you provide some evidence because normally when you don't provide evidence you're usually speaking out of another orifice that isn't your mouth.

Listen, if my information is so poor, why waste your time? Let it stand as is. I think people are able to figure it out without you poor-mouthing me every time I make a post. As noted by several posters already, it's getting pretty silly at this point. You're not adding anything to the thread with your posts. Thanks.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Mizzou has reportedly landed a 'neutral' site date at the Sprint Center in KC. They'll be playing Georgetown this fall. Really happy to see that come through for personal reasons since it's so close to me.

[Chubby]

Listen, if my information is so poor, why waste your time? Let it stand as is. I think people are able to figure it out without you poor-mouthing me every time I make a post. As noted by several posters already, it's getting pretty silly at this point. You're not adding anything to the thread with your posts. Thanks.

You say you are 100% certain it's Williams who blew in Mizzou then of course don't provide any actual evidence when asked. It's the same song and dance, we get it, you like to make shit up.

[the_meanstrosity]

Listen, if my information is so poor, why waste your time? Let it stand as is. I think people are able to figure it out without you poor-mouthing me every time I make a post. As noted by several posters already, it's getting pretty silly at this point. You're not adding anything to the thread with your posts. Thanks.

For starters, I am not "poor-mouthing" you. I'm asking you to provide factual evidence to support your claims...which you have not. I even suggested it would not surprise me that Roy cried wolf because I know he did so at Kansas, but I certainly do not feel you are a trustworthy source given your history of being incorrect on many Missouri and Kansas items. So again, feel free to provide evidence or else you're simply "not adding anything to the thread" because we all know that you're not the most reliable informant. If you can't provide those facts then don't make the claims.

And please quit portraying yourself as some victim. You're out here claiming facts on people without actually having any evidence to support those claims. I don't think that constitutes you as the victim.

[Chief Rum]

Mizzou has reportedly landed a 'neutral' site date at the Sprint Center in KC. They'll be playing Georgetown this fall. Really happy to see that come through for personal reasons since it's so close to me.

"landed"?

Damn, you can't even report an innocuous thing like this without making it seem like an achievement next to the Ten Commandments. :D

[panerd]

"landed"?

Damn, you can't even report an innocuous thing like this without making it seem like an achievement next to the Ten Commandments. :D

Your guys obsession with MBBF would be just laughible if it wasn't so blatently dishonest. Search "Chief Rum" and "landed" and there are pages of results. What is Rick Neuheisel now Moses? lol



UCLA is one further year in. Last year was the bad year. Coach Rick landed a terrific class on the basis of playing time and building momentum. For that to continue, UCLA needed to show improvement this season. A bowl game, a better record, etc. Well, after a good start, they completely stumbled in conference play. Tons of issues showing on the field and off. Recruiting is going good again--but how long before the recruits start to question if this staff can get it done?

He's a homer. The meanstrosity and sterlingice and cartman are also huge homers. They happen to cheer for teams that have historically had more success than Mizzou but that doesn't mean they aren't homers. Who cares? Why respond to MBBF if he is such a homer? Yes this does have something to do with me being a Mizzou fan but it also is kind of sad like you guys need someone to pick on to make you feel good.

[MrBug708]

Your guys obsession with MBBF would be just laughible if it wasn't so blatently dishonest. Search "Chief Rum" and "landed" and there are pages of results. What is Rick Neuheisel now Moses? lol



He's a homer. The meanstrosity and sterlingice and cartman are also huge homers. They happen to cheer for teams that have historically had more success than Mizzou but that doesn't mean they aren't homers. Who cares? Why respond to MBBF if he is such a homer? Yes this does have something to do with me being a Mizzou fan but it also is kind of sad like you guys need someone to pick on to make you feel good.

You're blind loyalty has already been duly noted. :)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

You say you are 100% certain it's Williams who blew in Mizzou then of course don't provide any actual evidence when asked. It's the same song and dance, we get it, you like to make shit up.

What evidence is there to produce in this case? It's well known amongst the B12 coaching circles exactly what happened in the situation and has filtered down at this point. Roy Williams was pissed at Quin for jumping in on his recruits and tossed the NCAA a bone. You don't have to believe it, but that's exactly how it happened.

[the_meanstrosity]

He's a homer. The meanstrosity and sterlingice and cartman are also huge homers. They happen to cheer for teams that have historically had more success than Mizzou but that doesn't mean they aren't homers. Who cares? Why respond to MBBF if he is such a homer? Yes this does have something to do with me being a Mizzou fan but it also is kind of sad like you guys need someone to pick on to make you feel good.

Panerd, why are we the bad guys in asking MBBF to support his claims? Nobody is picking on MBBF. We're asking him to please provide evidence that what he is saying is factually true. That's it. I think that's rather fair.

There's a difference between being a "homer" and being a clown. MBBF is the latter at this stage with his antics. I certainly don't believe you or Mizzourah are anywhere near the level that MBBF is. There's nothing wrong with liking your team and supporting it. Most of MBBF's comments aren't in support of his program, but rather against other programs.

[the_meanstrosity]

What evidence is there to produce in this case? It's well known amongst the B12 coaching circles exactly what happened in the situation and has filtered down at this point. Roy Williams was pissed at Quin for jumping in on his recruits and tossed the NCAA a bone. You don't have to believe it, but that's exactly how it happened.

If it's so well known then why isn't it publicly documented? I've been a Big 12 fan for just as long as you have and I've never heard such a thing. I think this is one of those rumors that is filtering down on your Tiger message board and those rumors normally don't have a lot of fact supporting them.

Again, what recruits did Quin go after that Roy wanted? The guys whom Missouri got in trouble for weren't recruits that Roy wanted. Again, the only head to head battle for a recruit between Roy and Quin was Trayvon Bryant. And Trayvon lost his offer when Kansas received a verbal from Darnell Jackson. So I highly doubt Roy tattled on Quin for a player he didn't have a scholarship offer out to.

All I'm asking is you support your statements with something besides hearsay that you found on the Tiger message board. I have no stake in this argument as I certainly don't support Roy Williams for obvious reasons and have even suggested he has a known history of reporting other schools (Wichita State). Just asking for a little evidence.

[tarcone]

If tarcone or any other Iowa fans post here, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on Anthony Tucker.

Tucker is a real nice player that should do really well in D2. A lot of fans wanted him to play last season after his problems. I think if he wanted to stay at Iowa, the fans would have welcomed him. But the off court problems were too much.

a 6'4" shooting Guard. He will make a positive contribution. He just needs to realize that he is one of those kids that always gets caught.

[panerd]

Panerd, why are we the bad guys in asking MBBF to support his claims? Nobody is picking on MBBF. We're asking him to please provide evidence that what he is saying is factually true. That's it. I think that's rather fair.

There's a difference between being a "homer" and being a clown. MBBF is the latter at this stage with his antics. I certainly don't believe you or Mizzourah are anywhere near the level that MBBF is. There's nothing wrong with liking your team and supporting it. Most of MBBF's comments aren't in support of his program, but rather against other programs.

I think it is more when people go after him for semantics or grammar or just for being a big homer. KU and Mizzou are rivals so your banter doesn't bother me much (a little, because I hate KU :) ) but some of the other guys just seem to want to try and "nail" him on little shit and for that I like to throw it back in their face.

I do sometimes take it wrong as a slam on Mizzou instead of MBBF but I have to say that I agree with a lot of what he says. Of course I am also a big time homer! Defending the Quin Snyder era is probably one place where I won't post a whole lot.

[Chief Rum]

Your guys obsession with MBBF would be just laughible if it wasn't so blatently dishonest. Search "Chief Rum" and "landed" and there are pages of results. What is Rick Neuheisel now Moses? lol



He's a homer. The meanstrosity and sterlingice and cartman are also huge homers. They happen to cheer for teams that have historically had more success than Mizzou but that doesn't mean they aren't homers. Who cares? Why respond to MBBF if he is such a homer? Yes this does have something to do with me being a Mizzou fan but it also is kind of sad like you guys need someone to pick on to make you feel good.

"landed" is used appropriately in my sentence. It's a big deal to "land" a terrific class. It's not a big deal to "land" a neutral site game on your schedule. All I was doing was pointing out the weird word choice, and noting that it was MBBF, further pointing out that he was painting that "achievement" in a rather hyperbolically positive manner.

So congrats on missing the point.

[panerd]

"landed" is used appropriately in my sentence. It's a big deal to "land" a terrific class. It's not a big deal to "land" a neutral site game on your schedule. All I was doing was pointing out the weird word choice, and noting that it was MBBF, further pointing out that he was painting that "achievement" in a rather hyperbolically positive manner.

So congrats on missing the point.

Let's see... you have made 4 posts in this thread. 3 were attempts to correct MBBF's grammar/word choice or to make fun of MBBF. One was to explain why you aren't obsessed with MBBF. Zero were any college basketball talk. I really guess I missed the point of your posts.

MBBF is a big boy so I will let it go and leave it to him but it just seems like an attempt to gain favor with everyone else by picking on MBBF. I guess it's the cool thing to do.

[Chief Rum]

Let's see... you have made 4 posts in this thread. 3 were attempts to correct MBBF's grammar/word choice or to make fun of MBBF. One was to explain why you aren't obsessed with MBBF. Zero were any college basketball talk. I really guess I missed the point of your posts.

MBBF is a big boy so I will let it go and leave it to him but it just seems like an attempt to gain favor with everyone else by picking on MBBF. I guess it's the cool thing to do.

I was honestly confused by what MBBF had first posted regarding the Monday Night scheduling. I would have posted that no matter who posted it.

The third was about the use of the term "land". I think most rational people would question the word choice.

The last is a response to you and you completely missing the point. So maybe I am instead obsessed with you?

I would certainly challenge you to find a bunch of posts where I am "obsessed with MBBF" here at FOFC. By and large, I don't get involved in you guys measuring your dick size with the KU folk, much like you don't (and shouldn't) when the same occurs between UCLA and USC folk.

So, yes, you're entire read of me, my intentions and what I am doing is more or less completely off the mark. Congratulations on having the equivalent post comprehension/Internet tone reading as Stevie Wonder has for eyesight.

[the_meanstrosity]

I think it is more when people go after him for semantics or grammar or just for being a big homer. KU and Mizzou are rivals so your banter doesn't bother me much (a little, because I hate KU :) ) but some of the other guys just seem to want to try and "nail" him on little shit and for that I like to throw it back in their face.

I do sometimes take it wrong as a slam on Mizzou instead of MBBF but I have to say that I agree with a lot of what he says. Of course I am also a big time homer! Defending the Quin Snyder era is probably one place where I won't post a whole lot.

Hey, there's nothing wrong with believing in your program. We're all guilty of it or else we wouldn't be fans.

IMO, there's nothing to defend on the Quin era. MU took a chance on a young coach from an elite program and it didn't work out. I just don't think it's fair that MBBF is claiming Roy Williams had something to do with the investigation when there is no proof of it aside from what the fiction he reads on the Tiger message boards.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

"landed" is used appropriately in my sentence. It's a big deal to "land" a terrific class. It's not a big deal to "land" a neutral site game on your schedule. All I was doing was pointing out the weird word choice, and noting that it was MBBF, further pointing out that he was painting that "achievement" in a rather hyperbolically positive manner.

So congrats on missing the point.

Edit: Forget it. It's just as useless as you arguing the value of the word landed.

[DataKing]

A little more bling...

Kansas Basketball: Big 12 Championship Rings (http://hoopsblog.kuathletics.com/2010/07/big-12-championship-rings.html)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Another school gets probation. This time it's Arizona.

Arizona basketball placed on probation - UPI.com (http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2010/07/29/Arizona-basketball-placed-on-probation/UPI-96641280439872/)

[MrBug708]

For the Missouri fans here, UCLA hires Tyus Edney as their director of basketball operations

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

2010 #1 recruit in the nation being checked for possible issues with amateur status........

Top-rated Kansas hoops recruit Selby still not cleared by NCAA - NCAA Division I Mens Basketball - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/13710136/toprated-kansas-hoops-recruit-not-cleared-by-ncaa?tag=headlines;other)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

dola

Saw that Coach Spoonhour is pretty sick. He needs a lung transplant. Hoping for the best for him because he's a heckuva nice guy. Reportedly, he was able to get to the Duke hospital thanks to some phone calls by Coach Huggins and Coach K. Nice gesture by those guys.

Former Billikens coach Charlie Spoonhour awaits lung transplant
KMOV.com
Posted on August 3, 2010 at 9:50 PM

(KMOV) – Former St. Louis University basketball coach Charlie Spoonhour is at the Duke University Hospital waiting for a lung transplant.

He says he began feeling sick about a month ago, and was diagnosed with a lung disease that requires a transplant.

He coached the Billikens for seven years in the 1990s, and he’s been an analys with the Missouri Valley Conference since 2005.

Spoonhour is 71 years old.

[Chubby]

Top 2011 recruit Rakeem Christmas picks Syracuse

Published: Friday, August 06, 2010, 11:28 AM Updated: Friday, August 06, 2010, 12:03 PM

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After making an unofficial visit to Syracuse University with 2011 commit Trevor Cooney last week, Rakeem Christmas announced his decision on Friday to join the Orange.
“I had a lot of great options, but I fell in love with Syracuse,” Christmas told Fox Sports' Jeff Goodman. “I know a lot of the guys on the team and that made a difference in my decision. I also felt that I could fit in well with their system.”
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Christmas, who is 6-foot-9 and 230 pounds, is ranked on Scout and Rivals as the No. 1 center in the class of 2011 and is known for his shot-blocking skills.
According to Goodman, Christmas ultimately chose Syracuse over Georgetown and Florida International. At the beginning of July, Adam Zagoria reported that Christmas had narrowed his list down to Georgetown, Florida, Florida International, Texas and Oklahoma, with Rutgers trying to get in the mix.
But AAU Team Final teammate and SU commit Cooney told NBE Basketball (http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2010-0713/future-syracuse-backcourt-building-early-bond/) reporter Alex Schwartz in July that he was working on getting Christmas to consider Syracuse.
Christmas, a native of St. Croix, has lived with his aunt in Philadelphia since eighth grade. His mother died of kidney failure when he was five-years-old.
“I trusted my aunt to help me through the process,” Christmas told Goodman. “My aunt is basically my mom now.”
Christmas, Cooney and fellow Orange commit Michael Carter-Williams are in Oregon this weekend competing in the Nike Global Challenge (http://www.nikeglobalchallenge.com/). Christmas was also selected this week to play in the Boost Mobile Elite 24 (http://www.slamonline.com/online/college-hs/high-school/high-school-wire/2010/08/elite-24-roster-revealed-first-12/) event, which is scheduled for August 27 and 28 at Venice Beach in Los Angeles.

[MrBug708]

Holy formatting batman

[RainMaker]

This isn't really breaking news here in Chicago regarding Davis, but the Sun-Times has gone public with the amount of money it took for Kentucky to sign him.

Prep star at center of storm :: High School Sports :: YourSeason (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/preps/2571594,CST-SPT-cruit06.article)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

This isn't really breaking news here in Chicago regarding Davis, but the Sun-Times has gone public with the amount of money it took for Kentucky to sign him.

Prep star at center of storm :: High School Sports :: YourSeason (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/preps/2571594,CST-SPT-cruit06.article)

There's some people that have a bone to pick with Calipari and they're airing the dirty laundry early and often in his latest coaching stop. He's going to be lucky to survive for four years before major sanctions hit the program.

[hoopsguy]

And my prediction for Iowa this season is 17-20 wins.

Just starting to read this thread now, but would be very curious to hear how many of those wins you see coming in conference play.

[hoopsguy]

If the price tag was 200K for Davis (or 125-150) then I wonder what it was for Wall, Kanter, Jones, and the other slew of top 10 guys that they have pulled for the last few classes.

Or maybe Calipari is really just this good a recruiter compared to everyone else in the NCAA ....

[Swaggs]

If the price tag was 200K for Davis (or 125-150) then I wonder what it was for Wall, Kanter, Jones, and the other slew of top 10 guys that they have pulled for the last few classes.

Or maybe Calipari is really just this good a recruiter compared to everyone else in the NCAA ....

It is just a joke that this guy is still allowed in the NCAA. I was thinking about how this was probably WVU's best team in decades (and it may be decades again, before we are this good) and how pissed off I would have been if we had lost to Kentucky in the NCAA tourney, only to later find out (duh!) that they were cheating. It is a big FU to the rest of the teams/programs that compete against them and it is horrible to think of how many teams' seasons he has ruined by knocking them out of the tourneys with teams full of paid players that should not be allowed to compete.

[MrBug708]

There really is only one that doesn't cheat in any way shape or form

[TargetPractice6]

If the price tag was 200K for Davis (or 125-150) then I wonder what it was for Wall, Kanter, Jones, and the other slew of top 10 guys that they have pulled for the last few classes.

Or maybe Calipari is really just this good a recruiter compared to everyone else in the NCAA ....
I can't pretend to know whether or not Calipari is dirty or not, but it is kind of funny to see people gleefully post about his cheating escapades every time an unfounded claim in made. This is the third report this off-season and not a single one has had even the slightest shred of evidence to support the claim. With such an intense microscope on him, Calipari must be an evil genius to cheat so prolifically and never leave any evidence of wrongdoing to be discovered.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

With such an intense microscope on him, Calipari must be an evil genius to cheat so prolifically and never leave any evidence of wrongdoing to be discovered.

Memphis and UMass fans would ask you why they both ended up on probation if there was 'no evidence of any wrongdoing to be discovered'.

[TargetPractice6]

Memphis and UMass fans would ask you why they both ended up on probation if there was 'no evidence of any wrongdoing to be discovered'.Can your sources tell me what Calipari did wrong in either of those instances? NCAA investigators turned over every table at Memphis and the worst they found were women's golf violations.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Can your sources tell me what Calipari did wrong in either of those instances? NCAA investigators turned over every table at Memphis and the worst they found were women's golf violations.

You have Google. It's not hard to find. And why did they vacate the 2007-2008 season at Memphis if there were no violations?

Someone's wearing their blue-tinted glasses. I have little doubt that Calipari will leave UK with probation as well once he's done with that stint and has robbed that university of 20-30M.

[TargetPractice6]

You have Google. It's not hard to find. And why did they vacate the 2007-2008 season at Memphis if there were no violations?

Someone's wearing their blue-tinted glasses. I have little doubt that Calipari will leave UK with probation as well once he's done with that stint and has robbed that university of 20-30M.Try to grasp what I'm saying here before you start slinging around your claims of bias (imagine that from the biggest homer on this board). I said I don't know what Calipari is up to, but if he is as dirty as you like to claim it seems like something more serious would have been unearthed other than Derrick Rose fudging his SAT score before ever committing to Memphis. Again, Calipari was never implicated in the ordeal and the stiffest penalty included in the probation was the women's golf team losing five scholarships. I'm sure that's also Calipari's fault in your mind though.

I hope UK doesn't get any sort of probation (although I'd hardly call vacating wins "probation"), but I wouldn't be shocked if they do someday. When you're replacing 5+ players every year it only increases the chances of taking a kid with issues a la Rose. However, it's just comical to me that it only takes a ridiculous claim with no evidence to get Calipari detractors in such a tizzy.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Try to grasp what I'm saying here before you start slinging around your claims of bias (imagine that from the biggest homer on this board). I said I don't know what Calipari is up to, but if he is as dirty as you like to claim it seems like something more serious would have been unearthed other than Derrick Rose fudging his SAT score before ever committing to Memphis. Again, Calipari was never implicated in the ordeal and the stiffest penalty included in the probation was the women's golf team losing five scholarships. I'm sure that's also Calipari's fault in your mind though.

I hope UK doesn't get any sort of probation (although I'd hardly call vacating wins "probation"), but I wouldn't be shocked if they do someday. When you're replacing 5+ players every year it only increases the chances of taking a kid with issues a la Rose. However, it's just comical to me that it only takes a ridiculous claim with no evidence to get Calipari detractors in such a tizzy.

No one's getting in a tizzy. Guy is as slimy as there is in college sports. Just enjoy the ride and find something else to occupy your time when the violations start falling after he's gone. Blissfully ignorant of the situation is the best way to be a fan when Calipari is running your program.

[hoopsguy]

The Sun Times article linked above suggests that three different coaches substantiated the Davis payoff rumors.

I've had a chance to read up on this recruitment quite a bit over the summer since he is an in-state player. The word from very early on (after he exploded in summer camp scene) was that the family was looking to get paid.

Now I suppose you could say that is sour grapes coming from Illinois when they aren't able to get traction with an in-state kid, but it has been reported from multiple sources in multiple stories across multiple message boards for the past couple of months. This was before it was official that he was going to Kentucky.

Major newspapers (insert Chicago Sun Times punchline here) normally have a high enough standard for validating innuendo to not be frivolous in reporting this type of story. That type of grumbling is usually reserved for premium fan message boards. The fact that the Sun Times did not back down when confronted by Kentucky lawyers, but pushed forward with more stories and more details, suggests they feel like they have something here.

I'll agree that there is a fair amount of glee as people go to attack Calipari. I'm sure a lot of programs are sick of losing recruits to him (whatever the reasons may be) over the past few years.

[RainMaker]

Yeah, this isn't a breaking news story in Chicago. It's been known for awhile that the kid's Dad was seeking a good sum of money for a commitment.

I live blocks from DePaul and he was on campus a little while ago and from everyone I'm friends with who went there, they all had heard the same thing through the other alumni. Although they had told me the kid wanted 250k and Kentucky was willing to give him half.

[TargetPractice6]

To be accurate the Sun Times did edit their original story to remove any reference to the Davis family being paid after UK threatened legal action. It was the following day the paper release the article that is linked in this thread. Also, I guess we might find out something definitive soon enough as the Davis family is planning on filing a lawsuit against the Sun-Times next week. If it goes to trial O'Brien might be forced to divulge who these anonymous coaches are.

[RainMaker]

To be accurate the Sun Times did edit their original story to remove any reference to the Davis family being paid after UK threatened legal action. It was the following day the paper release the article that is linked in this thread. Also, I guess we might find out something definitive soon enough as the Davis family is planning on filing a lawsuit against the Sun-Times next week. If it goes to trial O'Brien might be forced to divulge who these anonymous coaches are.
A journalist would go to jail before divulging their sources.

And as I said, this is not some kind of big mystery. Everyone who follows high school hoops in Chicago knows about his Dad.

[Kodos]

Hopefully Peter Jurkin committing to Indiana opens the flood gates to other guys like Cody Zeller committing. Let's get some recruiting momentum going, Coach Crean!

[BishopMVP]

Memphis and UMass fans would ask you why they both ended up on probation if there was 'no evidence of any wrongdoing to be discovered'.As TargetPractice pointed out, UMass was never on probation. Marcus Camby accepted money from an agent before the NCAA tournament, we were ordered to pay back the NCAA tournament money (which Camby repaid to/for us) and we have an asterisk next to our final four explaining it was officially "vacated".

2010-2011 UMass will be an interesting team. We have more talent than any time recently thanks to Kellogg as a recruiter and the DDM system, but I'm not sold on Kellogg as a gameday coach, or the DDM system as a gameplan. SO PF Terrell Vinson looked good last year, SO SG Freddie Riley can fill it up (and will need to, along with Anthony Gurley, to replace Ricky Harris) JR Sean Carter is a big rebounder underneath and SO SF-ish Javorn Farrell looked like a decent glue guy as well. RS FR Raphael Putney has drawn comparisons to a skinnier Marcus Camby, FR PG Daryl Traynham would supposedly have been a BCS recruit if he was even 1-2 inches taller than his 5'8 frame, FR PF Maxie Esho got some decent hype and Jesse Morgan (6'4 non-qualifier SG originally offered by UConn, Louisville, Seton Hall, etc) will be eligible after the first semester ends.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Oregon announced that their new arena will not be ready for the start of the season, so they'll be opening it in mid-January.

Pac-10 hasn't seen the last of Mac Court - College Basketball Nation Blog - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/14246/pac-10-hasnt-seen-the-last-of-mac-court)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Sad to see this mess. The basketball court is under 8 feet of water at Hilton (Iowa State) due to flood waters.

Video of Hilton | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=778863199910&ref=mf)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Not surprising story here. I remember when Sean was on the sideline in cold sweats. Several of us watching him coach knew something was wrong.

Former Oklahoma State Cowboys coach Sean Sutton to plead guilty to drug charges - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5461588)

[Ryno]

ESPN - Anthony Davis commits to Kentucky (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/teams/preps/news/story?id=5462436)

So either Kentucky is completely innocent :lol: , or their arrogance seems to be approaching a USC level. It'll be interesting to see what the NCAA does now that they've increased the number of investigators to a whopping 6.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Katz puts out his Top 25 list for the upcoming season.......

Andy Katz's Preseason Top 25: Defending champ Duke will start new season No. 1 - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=5179956)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Boy, it's been a rough summer for Lew Perkins. KC newspaper has uncovered excessive travel expenses including falsified expense reports that were reported as business trips but were actually personal trips. Lew claims it's just a misunderstanding, but there seems to be an increaseing amount of 'misunderstandings' as the IRS continues its investigation.

KU athletic director tallied big bill flying on private planes - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/08/14/2150280/in-two-years-ku-athletic-director.html)

http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2010/08/14/22/de_LewPerkinsPlaneTrips.source.prod_affiliate.81.pdf

[BishopMVP]

2010-2011 UMass will be an interesting team. We have more talent than any time recently thanks to Kellogg as a recruiter and the DDM system, but I'm not sold on Kellogg as a gameday coach, or the DDM system as a gameplan. SO PF Terrell Vinson looked good last year, SO SG Freddie Riley can fill it up (and will need to, along with Anthony Gurley, to replace Ricky Harris) JR Sean Carter is a big rebounder underneath and SO SF-ish Javorn Farrell looked like a decent glue guy as well. RS FR Raphael Putney has drawn comparisons to a skinnier Marcus Camby, FR PG Daryl Traynham would supposedly have been a BCS recruit if he was even 1-2 inches taller than his 5'8 frame, FR PF Maxie Esho got some decent hype and Jesse Morgan (6'4 non-qualifier SG originally offered by UConn, Louisville, Seton Hall, etc) will be eligible after the first semester ends.UMass just picked up another BCS non-qualifier in C/PF Cady Lalanne (formerly of Georgia). Won't be eligible this year, but we need some size down the road.

[the_meanstrosity]

Boy, it's been a rough summer for Lew Perkins. KC newspaper has uncovered excessive travel expenses including falsified expense reports that were reported as business trips but were actually personal trips. Lew claims it's just a misunderstanding, but there seems to be an increaseing amount of 'misunderstandings' as the IRS continues its investigation.

KU athletic director tallied big bill flying on private planes - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/08/14/2150280/in-two-years-ku-athletic-director.html)

http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2010/08/14/22/de_LewPerkinsPlaneTrips.source.prod_affiliate.81.pdf

The hilarious thing is that the KC Star actually has three reporters "investigating" this issue at Kansas. $150,000 in two years is a drop in the bucket for what Perkins has brought to Kansas. Sadly, this is what I have come to expect from the KC Star since Jason King left.

[Johnny93g]

Hopefully Peter Jurkin committing to Indiana opens the flood gates to other guys like Cody Zeller committing. Let's get some recruiting momentum going, Coach Crean!

Ron Patterson is a very nice player to keep the momentum going. Scout has him #57, while rivals ranks him #65.

Coach Crean is starting to see some results!

[GoldenEagle]

Memphis just got a huge boost for this season as the NCAA reversed ruling and declared Will Barton eligible.

[the_meanstrosity]

Memphis just got a huge boost for this season as the NCAA reversed ruling and declared Will Barton eligible.

Good news for Memphis and Barton. Pretty excited to see how this young Memphis squad does this season.

[BishopMVP]

Ever since I read about him during U Arizona's '97'-98 run I've been impressed with Josh Pastner.

[Groundhog]

"Aussie" (by way of Sudan) big Ater Majok has withdrawn from UConn, and it sounds like academics played a part in the decision from what I'm hearing. He certainly didn't live up to expectations in his one season, but UConn are real short on PF/Cs and he figured to get a bigger role this coming season.

Money played a big part in his incredibly uninformed decision to initially declare for the NBA this past draft before withdrawing his name, and I wonder if he'd even be able to get a contract in Europe at this stage. Even back home in Australia there just aren't any roster spots free unless he wants to take a Development Player spot on a team, which pays peanuts.

I had high hopes for him given what I'd seen of him prior to him heading to UConn, and it's a shame it didn't work out.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Looks like Tony Mitchell won't be at Mizzou the first semester. Case is still being reviewed. They're looking to get him in for second semester this year. Per Coach Anderson:

“Tony’s case with the NCAA Eligibility Center remains under review, as has been the case for quite some time. However with our fall enrollment deadline having passed; he will be unable to join our program at this time. We remain hopeful Tony will be able to join us at a point later in the season. With that being said, we are very excited about this team and look forward to the 2011 season.”

[BishopMVP]

"Aussie" (by way of Sudan) big Ater Majok has withdrawn from UConn, and it sounds like academics played a part in the decision from what I'm hearing. He certainly didn't live up to expectations in his one season, but UConn are real short on PF/Cs and he figured to get a bigger role this coming season.I'm guessing the looming NCAA sanctions played a bigger part - UConn trying to distance themselves before the punishment is handed down. But I do admittedly hear things from an anti-Calhoun perspective.

[DeToxRox]

Tennessee is gonna' be in some trouble. They received a Letter of Inquiry today and Pearl and most of the staff are each taking 25% pay cuts as well as Pearl is not allowed to recruit off campus all season. They hope these self imposed sanctions will be enough for the NCAA.

Looks like 3 of his assistants will also be banned from recruiting off campus this season.

[the_meanstrosity]

Tennessee is gonna' be in some trouble. They received a Letter of Inquiry today and Pearl and most of the staff are each taking 25% pay cuts as well as Pearl is not allowed to recruit off campus all season. They hope these self imposed sanctions will be enough for the NCAA.

Looks like 3 of his assistants will also be banned from recruiting off campus this season.

Ouch. I had heard the NCAA was investigating them, but didn't know it was that serious.

[Izulde]

I forgot to mention this, but I'm really excited about this Karam Mashour kid UNLV landed last month. He may play this year or he may be redshirted, but from what I've heard, he's got game. Originally from Israel and played for the Israeli U-18 national team. His uncle lives in Las Vegas, which was one of the big reasons why we landed him. Lot of BCS teams like Florida were trying to get him and we won out.

UNLV gains unique commitment from Israeli forward Karam Mashour - Las Vegas Sun (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/aug/20/unlv-mashour-commitment-082010/)

^-- Link to article.

I don't know if he's been cleared to play or not, but I hope he has.

[Swaggs]

Damn... so, is that essentially no off campus recruiting for a year (Pearl + three assistants) or will they be able to send their director of basketball operations and non-bench assistants out?

[DeToxRox]

Damn... so, is that essentially no off campus recruiting for a year (Pearl + three assistants) or will they be able to send their director of basketball operations and non-bench assistants out?

Sounds like they can send those guys out but that still hurts bad.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Ouch. I had heard the NCAA was investigating them, but didn't know it was that serious.

It's bad. The lying is what's gonna get 'em killed, not the violations themselves.

Bruce fucked up, possibly very badly. He's lucky to have kept his job today, and I don't know that even that is an absolute certainty until after the NCAA investigation is complete (which won't be until sometime in early 2011 before the sanction phase is done).

I also think there's a pretty good chance that this will be what leads to AD Mike Hamilton's firing. The hiring of Pearl has already been the one "yeah but ..." he had to fall back on. Now even that is severely tarnished.

[wade moore]

It's bad. The lying is what's gonna get 'em killed, not the violations themselves.

Bruce fucked up, possibly very badly. He's lucky to have kept his job today, and I don't know that even that is an absolute certainty until after the NCAA investigation is complete (which won't be until sometime in early 2011 before the sanction phase is done).

I also think there's a pretty good chance that this will be what leads to AD Mike Hamilton's firing. The hiring of Pearl has already been the one "yeah but ..." he had to fall back on. Now even that is severely tarnished.

They're making it really, really hard to be a Vols fan (Fball and Bball) these days.

[DeToxRox]

Kind of crazy but class of 2012 prospect Glenn Robinson III has committed to Michigan. Not crazy he committed but crazy Big Dog has a kid who will be in college ball in a few years.

The Wolverines NBA ties now stand at it:

Tim Hardaway Jr
Glenn Robinson III
Jordan Dumars (walk on)
Jon Horford (Al's younger brother)

[MrBug708]

Sounds like they can send those guys out but that still hurts bad.

Im not sure they are allowed to recruit off campus normally

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

For the Mizzou fans, some intersquad scrimmage tidbits. Only a month until official practice begins...........

"Open gym observations" - Courtside View - ColumbiaTribune.com (http://www.columbiatribune.com/weblogs/courtside-view/2010/sep/15/open-gym-observations/)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Investigation at Oregon over Dunigan...........

What's New | Oregon men’s basketball: UO probes eligibility of former players | The Register-Guard | Eugene, Oregon (http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/updates/25293669-55/dunigan-eligibility-players-team-oregon.csp)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Interesting article and OTL report on college officiating.......

NCAA basketball officials must balance real jobs, family and part-time officiating duties - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=5581117)

[MrBug708]

Investigation at Oregon over Dunigan...........

What's New | Oregon men’s basketball: UO probes eligibility of former players | The Register-Guard | Eugene, Oregon (http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/updates/25293669-55/dunigan-eligibility-players-team-oregon.csp)

That explains why Oregon's search took too long. Surprised that Altman took it even

[cartman]

Texas has released their full schedule for the upcoming season. They definitely aren't taking it lightly heading into conference play. There is only one gimme in the five game stretch before conference play starts:

vs. North Carolina (game in Greensboro)
at Michigan State
vs. Coppin State
vs. Arkansas
vs. UConn

[Wolfpack]

Texas has released their full schedule for the upcoming season. They definitely aren't taking it lightly heading into conference play. There is only one gimme in the five game stretch before conference play starts:

vs. North Carolina (game in Greensboro)
at Michigan State
vs. Coppin State
vs. Arkansas
vs. UConn

It's the Carolina game, isn't it?

Oh, wait, Rick Barnes is coaching and the game is in North Carolina.

(See? Managed to put down UNC, Clemson, Texas, and Rick Barnes in one post. :D )

[Izulde]

Arkansas is as close to a gimme as you can get with Pelphrey coaching.

[MJ4H]

Way back when I talked about how signing 2 of the big 3 recruits in Arkansas would be enough to give Pelphrey and extra couple of years. Well, today, Arkansas got a commit from the 3rd of the 3, Ky Madden. This means Pelphrey got all 3 of them to commit. Not only that, but he has a 5 star PG committed and is in on at least a couple of other top notch players.

This is going to rank up there with one of the best recruiting classes in our history. Pelphrey could seriously turn this around with this kind of infusion of talent.

Those that know me know that I have been pretty critical of JP, but I have to give props where it is due. He has been working his ass off in recruiting.

Adonis Thomas and/or Antwan Space would be a nice way to close this thing out.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Looks like the Bradley Beal sweepstakes will be opened back up. He already was waivering on his commitment to Florida. With the announcement today that Austin Rivers has switched his commitment from Florida to Duke, Beal is expected to decommit from Florida. The primary suitors will be Kansas and Missouri.

Recruiting | MrSEC.com (http://www.mrsec.com/2010/10/former-florida-commit-rivers-chooses-duke/)

[hoopsguy]

That link doesn't say a single word about Beal.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

That link doesn't say a single word about Beal.

That's the article concerning the other player's decision. We'll see plenty about Beal in the coming days once he officially decommits.

[the_meanstrosity]

Looks like the Bradley Beal sweepstakes will be opened back up. He already was waivering on his commitment to Florida. With the announcement today that Austin Rivers has switched his commitment from Florida to Duke, Beal is expected to decommit from Florida. The primary suitors will be Kansas and Missouri.

Recruiting | MrSEC.com (http://www.mrsec.com/2010/10/former-florida-commit-rivers-chooses-duke/)

Rivers decommitted from Florida months ago though. And it's been pretty well known that Rivers was likely headed to Duke upon his decommitment. So I can't see this as being a sign that Beal is decommitting from Florida. Beal has been pretty committed to Florida even after Rivers' decommitment. Where did you hear he was waivering?

[Izulde]

So earlier this week or maybe it was last week, the Tre'Von Willis case was settled as a plea bargain.

Tre'Von Willis reaches plea agreement, suspended at least three games - Las Vegas Sun (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/sep/28/willis-plea-092810/)

It sounds like he might only miss one regular season game if he keeps his head on straight, which I think he will. From everything I've heard about the case, and I've mentioned this before, it was him choosing to mess around with a sports groupie who doesn't have the highest mental stability and when the relationship went sour, she flipped.

Bad judgment on his part to associate with her in the first place, but hopefully he'll learn and grow from this experience.

[dawgfan]

Big day for top west coast guards as Tony Wroten commits to Washington (as expected) and Jabari Brown commits to Oregon (a surprise).

[MrBug708]

Basnight had his five fans prepping for Brown to Washington, while ASU fans are stunned.

[dawgfan]

Basnight had his five fans prepping for Brown to Washington, while ASU fans are stunned.
How Basnight has any credibility with anyone is beyond me.

If Brown wasn't going to pick Washington, I'm glad he went with Oregon instead of ASU. Yeah, he'll be the feature guy with the Ducks, but without much support. He could have made ASU really scary.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

FYI to Mizzou fans who are heading to the game on Saturday. Jarnell Stokes, who is in the top ten players in the class of 2012, will be scrimmaging with the team in the open scrimmage at 3:00 PM.

Top Ten Hoops Recruit to Vist Mizzou Saturday | Campus Corner (http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/1258)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

An update on some of the off-season stories in the Big 12.......

Baylor's leading scorer, Dunn, is still banned from campus. If anyone misses 20% of their classes in a semester (unexcused), then they receive an automatic failing grade. If the assault issue isn't resolved by the end of next week, there's little chance he'll be able to play in the first semester.

Tony Mitchell retook his ACT and has resubmitted for approval. MU is cautiously optimistic that Mitchell will be eligible by second semester.

No real word on Selby at KU. Still going to class, but no clearance on amateur status.

[BishopMVP]

UConn self-sanctions itself 1 scholarship over two years (they already weren't using it for this season) and 2 years probation... disputes the lack of an atmosphere of compliance charge. NCAA hearing end of next week, I'm guessing they'll either double the scholarship loss or extend the probation period.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

disputes the lack of an atmosphere of compliance charge.

This is never a good idea when being investigated by the NCAA.

[MrBug708]

Robbie Hummel blew out his ACL in practice again and is out for the year. That's rough for the kid

[sterlingice]

Robbie Hummel blew out his ACL in practice again and is out for the year. That's rough for the kid

Huge loss for what was one of the top couple of teams in the country.

SI

[Atocep]

WVU lands Ryan Boatwright and Pat Forsythe today. Jabarie Hinds is expected to announce for WVU on Wednesday.

Hinds and Boatwright are both Rivals 150 PGs. Forsythe is one of the more interesting recruiting stories this year. He had zero offers and no interest before this summer and in a matter of weeks had interest from Ohio State, WVU, Georgetown, and others.

The Medina County Gazette — The Medina County Gazette is a community newspaper serving Medina County, Ohio, since 1832. (http://medinagazette.northcoastnow.com/2010/10/15/boys-basketball-brunswicks-pat-forsythe-gets-big-time-offers/)

BRUNSWICK — Pat Forsythe didn’t start playing basketball until he was in eighth grade. The Brunswick senior has just one year of varsity experience with Brunswick and wasn’t the team’s leading scorer or rebounder last year. His 7.1 rebounds were second behind Tyler Ferrell and his 4.1 points per game were fifth.

But standing 6-foot-10 with a wing span of over 7 feet, the center can cer*tainly block shots: He had a school* record 56 in 22 games as a junior.

Never heard of him? Neither had Ohio State coach Thad Matta and West Virginia mentor Bob Huggins until a few weeks ago.

Now, Forsythe has gone from an unknown to one of the most sought* after recruits in the country.

Huggins was in the Brunswick gymnasium on Tuesday, Matta on Wednesday. Virtually every other big player in Division I college basketball wants Forsythe’s services as well.

“I would never have expected all these schools to be coming in,” Forsythe said. “It’s a great experi*ence. It’s a little overwhelming, but I’m trying to have fun with it.

“It’s pretty amazing to meet all the coaches. Just to get this opportunity is great.”

The fact the 210-pound Forsythe’s numbers were so low last year means little because of his potential and growth in the game.

It all started when Tennessee-Chattanooga offered him a full ride after watching him play summer ball in Las Vegas.

With little interest coming from elsewhere, Blue Devils coach Joe Mackey threw a video package up on YouTube.com with the help of Brunswick brass, and Wright State started poking around.

Once the Raiders offered, a domino effect brought in the likes of Akron, Virginia Tech, Duquesne, Cincinnati, James Madison, Utah State, Toledo, OSU and West Vir*ginia.

All offered scholarships on the spot, with the Buckeyes expecting to put forward a full ride to the big man next week. Ashland offered as well, while Georgetown and Indiana still show incredible interest.

“I could easily get 20 more schools here,” Mackey said. “It’s exciting, but a little bit draining. This doesn’t happen very often. It’s been a great process for Pat.

“We got a hit with Wright State. Once they offered, mid*-majors were coming and offering without leaving the gym. Some of the coaches were saying he has a shot to play overseas and maybe in the NBA. I figured if they were saying that, he should be able to play at a higher level. After they said that, I e-mailed Ohio State.

“I know it sounds crazy, but before they responded I had Virginia Tech and other big schools calling to come out here and everyone was impressed. No one turned their back and said he could*n’t play at that level. It’s been a very quick process. He wasn’t recruited all summer long. Within the last two weeks, Pat’s lived on the phone.”

What they see is a young senior — Forsythe just turned 17 in July — with great poten*tial. He has great hands, good feet and can pass the ball bet*ter than anyone on the Blue Devils.

Mackey is already calling him the best shot blocker in Ohio.

“He’s one of the top three centers in the state,” Mackey said. “The only reason I don’t say he’s the best is because I don’t know what Columbus and Cincinnati has.

“His overall skill level is through the roof. Am I sur*prised schools are coming out? No. Two years ago I said he wouldn’t pay a dime for school, but I’d be lying if I said I thought I’d see Thad Matta in the gym.”

Forsythe left for West Vir*ginia on Thursday afternoon and is expected to return Sat*urday. When he gets back, it wouldn’t be surprising to see a couple more ACC and Big Ten schools looking his way.

“This year, Pat will put up all-state numbers,” Mackey said. “He should be a junior for us. That means if he was, he’d have already put up the numbers and the coaches would be here anyways.

“The improvement he’s made since we lost to Avon Lake last year (in the playoffs) to now is something I’ll never see again. It’s been amazing. The school is buzzing about it. They’ve taken to the story.”

So has Forsythe. After his official visit to West Virginia concludes, the senior will travel with Mackey on Mon*day to Ohio State for an unof*ficial visit.

While the whirlwind con*tinues, Forsythe is taking it all in and enjoying the ride.

“It’s like I’m living a dream right now,” he said. “After one school offered, they all started coming in. I could have never imagined this.”

[DataKing]

Shame about Hummel. I'd better go talk to my Purdue grad-buddy...talk him off the ledge.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

KU investigation continues onward. Not surprising to see former KU AD Perkins facing ethics charges. It was all but a given that the s%$@ was about to hit the fan once he abruptly decided to resign, despite the denials from many KU fans.

Lew Perkins faces state ethics complaint, fines - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/10/19/2331573/lew-perkins-faces-state-ethics.html)

[the_meanstrosity]

KU investigation continues onward. Not surprising to see former KU AD Perkins facing ethics charges. It was all but a given that the s%$@ was about to hit the fan once he abruptly decided to resign, despite the denials from many KU fans.

Lew Perkins faces state ethics complaint, fines - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/10/19/2331573/lew-perkins-faces-state-ethics.html)

What are you talking about? Lew Perkins paying a fine is "s%$@" hitting the fan? Are you serious? $15,000 is a lot of money to a lot of people, but I don't think Lew Perkins will be as bothered by it as you seem to think.

By the way, any word on that NCAA investigation you claimed was being done at Kansas because of the ticket scandal?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Coaches poll is out.

Preseason Top 25: Defending champion Duke opens at No. 1 - USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/usatpoll.htm)

Going to be a fun season in the KC area. KSU, KU, and MU ranked in the top 15. Let's get started already!

[sterlingice]

Amen :D

SI

[Kodos]

Kodos, what do you think that timetable is? I love to pound on the Hoosiers, but I'm legitimately interested in what a coherent IU fan thinks is the timetable that the team will return to the top third of the Big Ten and be a Top 20 team nationally.

Also, what are the thoughts on Crean at this point in Year 2? Last year the focus seemed to be effort on the floor plus recruiting. Is that still the case, or have the expectations gone up a bit? Is the answer different now than it was before the first game of the season?


I still believe that Crean will get us back to where we want to be, but we are going to take a lot more lumps along the way before we get there. We need to be patient. Bring some more talent in, and let the talent we have get some experience. I hope that this season we can stay competitive in games even if we don't win. We'll probably have to settle for moral victories more often than we'd like. I don't expect many Big Ten wins. Maybe three or four. Maybe not even that many. I hope next year we can turn the corner and start climbing up the Big Ten ranks a bit. Maybe the year after that, move up to being a good team. Maybe in year four of Tom Crean we'll break back into the Top 25. I know it is going to be a long process. I don't think all of our fanbase realizes that or accepts it.

Still, I only wish that I had this kind of hope for our football team. I'd trade a top 25 basketball team for a top 25 football team any day.

IU's return to the upper echelon of college basketball is starting to take shape. The foundation is being laid in recruiting right now. Tom Crean has had a real surge in recruiting success of late. Today, 2012 five star PF Hanner Perea committed to IU. Fellow 5-star big man Cody Zeller is expected to commit within the next week or so, opting for Indiana over North Carolina. It's been tough sledding for Indiana sports fans this past decade. Nice to see one of the big two sports heading back in the right direction. :)

Tom Crean is the man.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Just realized that Mizzou starts exhibition play this week. SWEET!

[Johnny93g]

IU's return to the upper echelon of college basketball is starting to take shape. The foundation is being laid in recruiting right now. Tom Crean has had a real surge in recruiting success of late. Today, 2012 five star PF Hanner Perea committed to IU. Fellow 5-star big man Cody Zeller is expected to commit within the next week or so, opting for Indiana over North Carolina. It's been tough sledding for Indiana sports fans this past decade. Nice to see one of the big two sports heading back in the right direction. :)

Tom Crean is the man.

I'm trying really hard not to get excited about Zeller until he pulls the trigger, but with all positive recruiting news, I'm not doing a good job. Perea should be a program changer. Can't wait to see him in cream and crimson.

Crossing my fingers for Zeller in 11, and Yogi Ferrell or Gary Harris wrapping up the '12 class. Exciting times!!

[DeToxRox]

Harrison Barnes becomes the first ever Freshman voted to the pre-season All American Team.

[the_meanstrosity]

Harrison Barnes becomes the first ever Freshman voted to the pre-season All American Team.

I don't know if he'll live up to the hype, but I am definitely looking forward to watching him play this year. Great young man with a ton of talent.

[sterlingice]

Seems kindof crazy to have a freshman on the preseason list

SI

[the_meanstrosity]

Seems kindof crazy to have a freshman on the preseason list

SI

It is, but I think reporters have seen the kind of instant success some of these freshmen have had in recent years (Durant, Beasley, Rose, Wall, etc) and are pretty much predicting the next big freshman. I don't know if Barnes will put up the sheer numbers some of those other guys have, but he's going to be a special player for UNC no matter what.

[molson]

'Cluse v. Kutztown exhibition tips off in about 45 minutes. Gotta love the Direct TV sports pack.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Finally got to see the Mizzou team in action last night. This team is going to be incredibly deep this year, which obviously helps a lot given the pace of play MU uses. Our 3 star local kid (Kreklow) looks like he was definitely underrated. He's a helluva player and is going to get a lot of minutes. If MU gets Tony Mitchell at semester as the coaching staff believes, look out.

Let's get these pre-season tourneys started already!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

What the hell was Oregon thinking with this debacle of a floor?

Ducks Unveil New Floor Inside Matthew Knight Arena | KEZI (http://kezi.com/news/local/194284)

[Chief Rum]

What the hell was Oregon thinking with this debacle of a floor?

Ducks Unveil New Floor Inside Matthew Knight Arena | KEZI (http://kezi.com/news/local/194284)

Have you seen the experiments they do with their football unis? Court seems about par for the course.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Kenpom ratings page is up for 2010-2011...........

http://kenpom.com/rate.php

[cartman]

Texas played their first game tonight, beating Navy 83-52. Newcomer Tristan Thompson definitely looks promising.

[Izulde]

Kenpom ratings page is up for 2010-2011...........

http://kenpom.com/rate.php

20 win season and third in the Mountain West sounds about right after Shaw's suspension and losing our best 3 point shooter for the year to injury.

[JonInMiddleGA]

#20 Tennessee loses to D-II Indianapolis 79-64 in an exhibition. Recaps appear to indicate that they simply got their butts outplayed by a team who pressed them hard & shot free throws well.

Not exactly the way to make fans forget the problems facing the men's basketball program.

[Lathum]

#20 Tennessee loses to D-II Indianapolis 79-64 in an exhibition. Recaps appear to indicate that they simply got their butts outplayed by a team who pressed them hard & shot free throws well.

Not exactly the way to make fans forget the problems facing the men's basketball program.

Similar thing happened to Syracuse last year. Hard to motivate 19 year old kids.

[Groundhog]

What the hell was Oregon thinking with this debacle of a floor?

Ducks Unveil New Floor Inside Matthew Knight Arena | KEZI (http://kezi.com/news/local/194284)

I just hope nobody paints their court blue...

[RedKingGold]

Similar thing happened to Syracuse last year. Hard to motivate 19 year old kids.

Not only that, but this was the D-II school's "Super Bowl", so it's very easy to see Indianapolis wanting to play all-out. Beating a ranked team in Division I might be as memorable as winning the D-II National Championship.

[MJ4H]

I was very encouraged by what I saw in Arkansas's exhibition opener. Pressing, playing hard, encouraging each other, etc. Much more of a team this year. Seems that the cancer might be gone? Couple the way things look this year with what is coming in in the next couple of years and there is optimism where there was certainly none before.

[Butter]

Pleased to watch Xavier struggle with D-II Bellarmine, while Dayton comfortably won its 2 preseason exhibitions against 2 of the top 3 D-II schools in the country (Findlay and Grand Valley State).

Buzz is that Dayton's improved point guard play could be the difference with this year's team. But our frontcourt is looking to be much worse, so I expect a lot of 3 guard lineups this year out of the Flyers.

Hoping for another strong year out of the A-10. Encouraged by seeing generally unheralded Rhody hang with Pitt in the season opener last night.

[Groundhog]

I'm not sure why it is, but I always seem to end up rooting for A-10 teams come tourney time.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Signing week starts tomorrow. Always interesting to see where people sign or if they put off their decision until the spring.

[RainMaker]

My Alma Mater Winona State hung in there with Minnesota the other night. We actually beat them a few years back when we won the D2 National Championship. Was excited to get to see them play on TV (Big Ten Network).

[MrBug708]

Well, UCLA went 2-0 in exhibition games. They didn't have to suffer through a game winner from a walkon this season. Team should hit 20 wins this year, barring injury

[Chief Rum]

Agreed, Bug. Still a long way to go to get this team back to where it should be but it already seems clear that losing Dragovic, Keefe, and Morgan from the rotation and replacing them with Stover, Smith, Jones, Lamb and even Carlino is an immense step forward in skill and athleticism.

Still to be seen what the impact will be of losing Roll, though.

[Izulde]

UNLV went 2-0 in preseason and looked pretty good. Sharp shooting and better rebounding than I'd expected. A bit too turnover prone, although we also didn't have Tre'Von Willis playing.

Although they probably won't, I really think Karam Mashour should be redshirted. Give him a year to get used to the country, the language, and the American style of play. He's showed flashes in the two preseason games, but right now he looks completely lost on defense, and that's against D-2 teams.

I've been extremely impressed with Anthony Marshall and Chace Stanback's play. Derrick Jasper has been good shooting and reboundingwise, but he needs to cut down on the TOs if he wants to have a really great final season.

The one I'll be watching most to see how he progresses is Carlos Lopez. Redshirt freshman is our tallest player at 6'11 and as he gets more comfortable, he could be a valuable 4.

Not sure what to think of Quintrell Thomas, the Kansas transfer, yet. He hasn't impressed me very much, to be honest, but we'll see.

[RainMaker]

Maryland looked pretty horrible. Pe'Shon Howard looks to be legit though.

[cartman]

Tristan Thompson had another solid game and Dogus Balbay seems to have come all the way back from his knee injury from last season. Texas beat Louisiana Tech 89-58. Next week they have their first test of the season, playing a ranked Illinois team.

[Kodos]

I'm trying really hard not to get excited about Zeller until he pulls the trigger, but with all positive recruiting news, I'm not doing a good job. Perea should be a program changer. Can't wait to see him in cream and crimson.

Crossing my fingers for Zeller in 11, and Yogi Ferrell or Gary Harris wrapping up the '12 class. Exciting times!!

You can get excited now. Zeller just announced he will be going to Indiana. It's expected that Yogi will be on board soon too. Indiana is on the comeback trail, and this was a nice step toward closing the border for Indiana recruits. :cool:

Keep up the good work, Coach!

[Johnny93g]

You can get excited now. Zeller just announced he will be going to Indiana. It's expected that Yogi will be on board soon too. Indiana is on the comeback trail, and this was a nice step toward closing the border for Indiana recruits. :cool:

Keep up the good work, Coach!

Amazing news, very happy to see Cody come on board. I'm sure I'm reading the same things as you about Yogi, as it seems like he is very close to commiting. The future is looking great.

Time to start getting some results on the court. Looking forward to tommorow's season opener.

Go Hoosiers!!

[jbergey22]

Taking Ohio St at 30-1 and Washington at 60-1 to win the Nat'l championship.

I may be off here but Ohio St seems more loaded than last year despite the loss of Turner. 4 returning starters and a top 10 recruiting class.

[Kodos]

Amazing news, very happy to see Cody come on board. I'm sure I'm reading the same things as you about Yogi, as it seems like he is very close to commiting. The future is looking great.

Time to start getting some results on the court. Looking forward to tommorow's season opener.

Go Hoosiers!!

Yep. I think the future is looking a lot brighter in light of recent recruiting, but this season, we will still have plenty of lumps to take. I hope Creek gets back to 100% by the time we hit conference play.

[MrBug708]

Kanter is deemed ineligible for college, period. Kentucky is appealing.

[Johnny93g]

Yep. I think the future is looking a lot brighter in light of recent recruiting, but this season, we will still have plenty of lumps to take. I hope Creek gets back to 100% by the time we hit conference play.

After watching both exhibition games, I think it will take that long for Creek look, I guess "right" is the word.

Against Franklin, he was off. He looked rusty, he played poorly, it was like it was his first game in 10 months(which it was). Against Ferris St. I saw some improvement, but not to where he was last season. Shot is still off, but I saw more quickness, more drive.

A little improvement each game is all I want to see from him.

How about Christian Watford though, loved the improvements he made. Kid can shoot now, and seems to want to score. Last year, his shot got altered and blocked by everybody, it will be a different story this season.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Kanter is deemed ineligible for college, period. Kentucky is appealing.

Selby ruling shouldn't be far behind. Will be interesting to see how that pans out.

[Kodos]

Lotsa chatter about a possible Yogi Ferrell commitment this weekend. If true, awesome. We badly need a true point guard.

[Izulde]

Caught the end of the UNLV womens season opener and we beat Southern Utah by like 30 points.

Then the mens' opener and it was a very, very fun game, probably the most fun I've had at a regular season basketball game. Chace Stanback was a hell of a lot of fun to watch. Hit 7/12 shots, and although he was only 1/4 from 3 point range, it felt like he could hit every shot he attempted, kind of like Rotnei Clarke for the Hogs. Scored a game-high 17 points.

Anthony Marshall was very good starting in place of still-suspended Tre'Von Willis, with 16 points, 7 assists, and 2 steals to just 2 turnovers. Oscar Bellfield shot very well, 6/11, 3/5 from 3 point range for 15 points, 5 assists and no turnovers.

The thing to watch was rebounding, the Achilles heel of this Rebels team, IMO. We actually won the rebounding battle 45-34, which I don't think will happen against many teams. Derrick Jasper was an absolute delight to watch on the glass. 13 rebounds and a couple of monster blocks as the third guard. Carlos Lopez still looks very raw, but he was a swat machine, blocking 4 shots and getting 6 rebounds in 20 minutes. He also showed good passing skills with 4 assists, including an absolutely beautiful rainbow pass all the way down the court to Marshall, who put it up for the easy score. He's definitely one to watch for the future.

Kansas transfer Quintrell "Q" Thomas had some decent per-minute stats, hitting 4/5 for 8 points and 5 rebounds in 19 minutes.

With 6:22 left to go, my friends asked me what I thought the final score would be. I said 85-40 and it ended up 85-41.

So yeah, against inferior opposition, but still very thrilling to see and a huge relief after the nightmare that this football season has been. Even more impressive, we did it without Willis, who should be back next week.

I unfortunately have a mandatory event to attend next Wednesday night when we play Southeastern Louisiana, which should be another cakewalk. But I'm clearing next Saturday to go to the Wisconsin game, which should be an awesome game and our first real test of the season.

Karam Mashour didn't play, which leads me to believe he'll redshirt. I hope that's the case anyway, because I think that's the smartest move.

I'm stoked about this year. So.damn.stoked!

[BishopMVP]

Horrible opening night for the A-10. The Fordham (Brown) and St. Bonaventure (Canisius) losses weren't a surprise, but seeing St. Louis (Austin Peay) Charlotte (Gardner Webb) and St. Joseph's (Western Kentucky - by 28) all go down to inferior conferences was bad. Xavier struggled but held on to beat Western Michigan by 3 and UMass dug itself a 45-24 halftime hole to Rider but came back to win by 10 behind the shooting of WF transfer Anthony Gurley (31) and sophomore Freddie Riley (28).

[whomario]

Kanter is deemed ineligible for college, period. Kentucky is appealing.

this will definitely put a stop to the trend of really good Euro prospects going to Colleges, you can congratulate the NCAA for shooting itself in the foot big time.

I just don´t get it. It´s not like he earned a million and came straight over, he played HS ball last season for christs sake ... The kicker also is that the guy by all accounts has been very engaged and doing well academically while he could have just call it quits after the first signs it might go wrong, go back to Europe earning big money and then get drafted anyway.

Now with the NCAA taking it´s sweet time the season in Europe is well underway and most team´s budgets are spent in Europe and he´s screwed, well done ...

Obviously he would still get a contract with a decent team, but the situation wouldn´t ideal jumping in as a young player without going through preseason with a team/coach.

[the_meanstrosity]

this will definitely put a stop to the trend of really good Euro prospects going to Colleges, you can congratulate the NCAA for shooting itself in the foot big time.

I just don´t get it. It´s not like he earned a million and came straight over, he played HS ball last season for christs sake ... The kicker also is that the guy by all accounts has been very engaged and doing well academically while he could have just call it quits after the first signs it might go wrong, go back to Europe earning big money and then get drafted anyway.

Now with the NCAA taking it´s sweet time the season in Europe is well underway and most team´s budgets are spent in Europe and he´s screwed, well done ...

Obviously he would still get a contract with a decent team, but the situation wouldn´t ideal jumping in as a young player without going through preseason with a team/coach.

Does the NCAA actually need Euro prospects going to college in the USA? It sucks for Kentucky obviously, but I don't see the NCAA in general being hurt by this ruling even if it keeps Euro prospects from going to college. It's not as if there is a lack of young basketball talent in the United States. Kanter isn't the first Euro player to be found ineligible and he won't be the last.

[JonInMiddleGA]

It sucks for Kentucky obviously, but I don't see the NCAA in general being hurt by this ruling even if it keeps Euro prospects from going to college.

+1

[whomario]

back in my mind i am aware of this, i´m just pissed.

[ntndeacon]

I am afraid that my Deacs are in for a LONG long year. We lost Friday to the mighty Hatters of Stetson. Lets hope the many Freshmen get some good experience and start to come on in the second half.

[the_meanstrosity]

back in my mind i am aware of this, i´m just pissed.

I would be upset as well if it happened to my team. Calipari knew he was gambling with Kanter being eligible, but given the success John has in recruiting I highly doubt this hurts Kentucky for very long. Kanter would have been a heck of a player in Kentucky's front court this year though.

[mauchow]

Wisconsin is going to be better than everyone thinks, yet again.. Leuer, Taylor are obviously the two best offensive threats and then we've got Nankivil, Berggran, Gasser, Wilson, Bruisewitz some of whom could be a top scorer on some nights. This team is special. With Leuer being a legitimate BTPOY with some potential of being NPOY the Badgers should make noise as a top three seed come tourney time. The loss of Bohannon will be minimal and the loss of Trevon Hughes is yet to be determined.. I'm thinking it will also be minimal with the addition of Gasser (as of today's performance at least...).

[Izulde]

The Wisconsin/UNLV game Saturday will be the first true test for both teams, IMO.

[sovereignstar v2]

The Wisconsin/UNLV game Saturday will be the first true test for both teams, IMO.

Going out on a limb I see.

WISC: UW-Lacrosse, Minnesota State-Mankato, Prairie View A&M, North Dakota
UNLV: Cal-Davis, SE Louisiana

[Izulde]

And in other Runnin' Rebel news, Karam Mashour refused to redshirt, which is a mistake, IMO, but we'll see how it pans out.

Tre'Von Willis will sit out against Southeast Louisiana Wednesday night and be allowed to come back for the game against Wisconsin Saturday afternoon.

[Izulde]

Going out on a limb I see.

WISC: UW-Lacrosse, Minnesota State-Mankato, Prairie View A&M, North Dakota
UNLV: Cal-Davis, SE Louisiana

UC-Riverside, not UC-Davis.

Prairie View A&M and North Dakota you mean for Wisconsin. UW-L and Mankato were preseason games.

[mauchow]

Being at UNLV will definitely make this a good game. Hopefully we can get some revenge for the tournament loss a few years back.

[Chief Rum]

UC-Riverside, not UC-Davis.

Prairie View A&M and North Dakota you mean for Wisconsin. UW-L and Mankato were preseason games.

I musta missed something. I have no idea why you guys are naming these schools.

[sovereignstar v2]

I musta missed something. I have no idea why you guys are naming these schools.

Is it really that hard to decipher? Izulde says in his opinion that Wisconsin and UNLV will be getting their first true tests when they play each on on Saturday. I'm just pointing out, "no fucking shit".

[Izulde]

Is it really that hard to decipher? Izulde says in his opinion that Wisconsin and UNLV will be getting their first true tests when they play each on on Saturday. I'm just pointing out, "no fucking shit".

And you came off as an asshat in doing so, (I couldn't remember Wisconsin's first two games off the top of my head, so was hedging, just to be safe), so then I took great pleasure in correcting the flaws in your post. :p

[Chief Rum]

Is it really that hard to decipher? Izulde says in his opinion that Wisconsin and UNLV will be getting their first true tests when they play each on on Saturday. I'm just pointing out, "no fucking shit".

Yup, I guess. Thanks for correcting my moronishness, dipshit.

[whomario]

I would be upset as well if it happened to my team. Calipari knew he was gambling with Kanter being eligible, but given the success John has in recruiting I highly doubt this hurts Kentucky for very long. Kanter would have been a heck of a player in Kentucky's front court this year though.

i´m not a kentucky fan by any stretch btw :)

The really absurd part of all this is (have only now been able to read up on the subject) the following :


The NCAA revealed in its declaration of Kanter’s ineligibility that the amount in question is $33,033. According to a source close to the process, about $20,000 of that money was used by the Kanter family to pay for Kanter’ educational expenses—such as schooling and tutors—with the remainder still sitting in an account unused. The NCAA told the family that Fenerbahce would have needed to pay for those expenses directly for them to be permissible.



The NCAA told the family that Fenerbahce would have needed to pay for those expenses directly for them to be permissible.



btw, funny thing :

According to the NCAA, actual and necessary expenses are those relating to practice and competition, such as meals, lodging, transportation and medical care.

So the NCAA does not include schooling and tutors in their nescessary expenses, go figure ...

Enes Kanter declared ineligible - NCAA Basketball - Sporting News (http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/feed/2010-09/enes-kanter)

If that is true, can you honestly tell me that this decicion is the right one ? Just because they paid with Fenerbace money rather than have them pay for it, that is the difference between being a professional or being an amateur ?

[Chief Rum]

i´m not a kentucky fan by any stretch btw :)

The really absurd part of all this is (have only now been able to read up on the subject) the following :



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btw, funny thing :



So the NCAA does not include schooling and tutors in their nescessary expenses, go figure ...

Enes Kanter declared ineligible - NCAA Basketball - Sporting News (http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/feed/2010-09/enes-kanter)

If that is true, can you honestly tell me that this decicion is the right one ? Just because they paid with Fenerbace money rather than have them pay for it, that is the difference between being a professional or being an amateur ?

Well, first off, recall, this is the NCAA. Rights & wrongs ain't got nuttin' to do wid it, ya know? ;)

I believe the key difference there is along the same lines as a private school or a prep school here in the US. HS kids can receive scholarships for HS school fees and what not, because the schools they attend are too expensive for many families to attend (so the schools are allowed to pay for some scholarships for some students, just like a college).

If Fenerbahce pays for it directly, it's like a prep school scholarship, but paying it to the player/family becomes "pay", essentially, which essentially strips Kanter of his amateur status.

I don't know if that's the interpretation that is being aimed for, but that's my guess as it. And not saying it's right, just trying to put within the usual absurd frame of reference of the NCAA perspective.

[the_meanstrosity]

Well, first off, recall, this is the NCAA. Rights & wrongs ain't got nuttin' to do wid it, ya know? ;)

I believe the key difference there is along the same lines as a private school or a prep school here in the US. HS kids can receive scholarships for HS school fees and what not, because the schools they attend are too expensive for many families to attend (so the schools are allowed to pay for some scholarships for some students, just like a college).

If Fenerbahce pays for it directly, it's like a prep school scholarship, but paying it to the player/family becomes "pay", essentially, which essentially strips Kanter of his amateur status.

I don't know if that's the interpretation that is being aimed for, but that's my guess as it. And not saying it's right, just trying to put within the usual absurd frame of reference of the NCAA perspective.

I think Chief is reading and summarizing it correctly. My guess is the NCAA is basically looking for a reason to say no to Kanter and this reason fits the bill. If this were an American high school basketball player I think they would be a little more lenient and honestly I'm ok with that.

[Atocep]

I think Chief is reading and summarizing it correctly. My guess is the NCAA is basically looking for a reason to say no to Kanter and this reason fits the bill. If this were an American high school basketball player I think they would be a little more lenient and honestly I'm ok with that.

The NCAA is taking the heat here, but keep in mind it was the university presidents that wanted this rule, wrote it, and pushed hard to get it through. The NCAA is just enforcing what they wanted.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Georgia Tech gets blown out by Kennesaw State, 80-63. Trailed by as many as 20 in the 1st half, got within 5 & then the Owls finished them off. So much for padding the ol' RPI with a "road" game (it's about 15 miles up the interstate).

Gonna be a long year as long as Paul Useless is still on the bench.

[Recoil]

Georgia Tech gets blown out by Kennesaw State, 80-63. Trailed by as many as 20 in the 1st half, got within 5 & then the Owls finished them off. So much for padding the ol' RPI with a "road" game (it's about 15 miles up the interstate).

Gonna be a long year as long as Paul Useless is still on the bench.

http://i53.tinypic.com/2jb6gg.jpg

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[JonInMiddleGA]

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

We have Dave Brainless to thank for this Godawful mess.

[Recoil]

We have Dave Brainless to thank for this Godawful mess.

I haven't done the math, but the rollover contract should have the buyout at atleast 5mil+. You know of any definite numbers?

[digamma]

Going to be a very long season. Radakovich should have used some of the arena renovation money for a coach renovation. Had an opportunity to at least hire a new assistant staff this offseason...but...

[digamma]

I haven't done the math, but the rollover contract should have the buyout at atleast 5mil+. You know of any definite numbers?

I think it is in the $7 million neighborhood.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I haven't done the math, but the rollover contract should have the buyout at atleast 5mil+. You know of any definite numbers?

The number I've seen floating around (http://georgiatech.raycomsports.com/blog/tag/paul-hewitt/) was about $7m, but I can't vouch for the accuracy of it.

[Recoil]

Well, that's worse than I thought. GT will be lucky to get in double digits in the W column. Ugh.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Well, that's worse than I thought. GT will be lucky to get in double digits in the W column. Ugh.

At the rate they're going, there may be nights where they're lucky to get in double digits in the scoring column.

[digamma]

but certainly not the turnover column.

[Celeval]

Is it possible the win at home against Charleston Southern will be considered an upset?

Hell, I'm just glad we pulled out that exhibition win against Clark Atlanta. In overtime.

[JonInMiddleGA]

From an AJC column (http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/2010/11/15/kennesaw-shocks-tech-leaving-a-basketball-lifer-in-ecstasy/) that focused on the KSU win rather than the GT loss.

The Ingle quoted here is coach Tony Ingle, who I watched as a HS coach in north Georgia for a number of years before he went on to be an assistant at BYU.

Before the game, he said he asked his players: “You got your tennis shoes? Is there a rim out there? You got your jerseys?”

Sitting beside Ingle at the postgame briefing, guard Spencer Dixon and forward LaDaris Green kept answering, “Yes.” And here Ingle came to his final question: “Do you have a dream?”

“Yes,” the players said again.

Ingle: “Then bring it.”

[Recoil]

From an AJC column (http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/2010/11/15/kennesaw-shocks-tech-leaving-a-basketball-lifer-in-ecstasy/) that focused on the KSU win rather than the GT loss.

The Ingle quoted here is coach Tony Ingle, who I watched as a HS coach in north Georgia for a number of years before he went on to be an assistant at BYU.

Before the game, he said he asked his players: “You got your tennis shoes? Is there a rim out there? You got your jerseys?”

Sitting beside Ingle at the postgame briefing, guard Spencer Dixon and forward LaDaris Green kept answering, “Yes.” And here Ingle came to his final question: “Do you have a dream?”

“Yes,” the players said again.

Ingle: “Then bring it.”

Just looked this guy up. I'm assuming you saw him at Cherokee HS? Also, he's apparently a Mormon. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but not many Mormons in north Georgia.

[MrBug708]

UCLA goes to 2-0. Josh Smith had 13 points, 5 boards, and 2 assists in 15 minutes of play. Needs to watch the ticky tacky fouls and UCLA should be set

[JonInMiddleGA]

Just looked this guy up. I'm assuming you saw him at Cherokee HS? Also, he's apparently a Mormon. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but not many Mormons in north Georgia.

Yep, one of my HS's rivals way back when, although that died out long ago since they now have 4 HS's that are almost double the size of my alma mater.
He was there from '78-'85, had some pretty good teams toward the end of his tenure (although even their bad teams used to hang a hundred on us).

And to the best of my recollection, his religion was actually a novelty at most, I really don't remember it being a topic of any significant discussion. In hindsight, that's almost a little odd, because he would pretty much have been the only LDS I ever met in that area up to that point.

[Recoil]

Yep, one of my HS's rivals way back when, although that died out long ago since they now have 4 HS's that are almost double the size of my alma mater.
He was there from '78-'85, had some pretty good teams toward the end of his tenure (although even their bad teams used to hang a hundred on us).

And to the best of my recollection, his religion was actually a novelty at most, I really don't remember it being a topic of any significant discussion. In hindsight, that's almost a little odd, because he would pretty much have been the only LDS I ever met in that area up to that point.

What part of north Georgia are you from? I spent the majority of my childhood in Jasper and still live there. If your alma mater played Cherokee, you can't be too far from here.

[JonInMiddleGA]

What part of north Georgia are you from? I spent the majority of my childhood in Jasper and still live there. If your alma mater played Cherokee, you can't be too far from here.

Well f me running ... I'm from Tate. PHS Class of '84.

edit to add: for those suddenly keeping score at home, that would mean Recoil & I are from about 5 miles apart & almost certainly went to the same high school (albeit probably at different times).

[Recoil]

Well f me running ... I'm from Tate. PHS Class of '84.

No shit? '84, huh? PHS class of '06. Actually, I spent my 5th grade year at the old PHS, which is now Jasper Middle School. I was born at the old Tate Clinic.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I was born at the old Tate Clinic.

Same thing is on my birth certificate :)

[Recoil]

Same thing is on my birth certificate :)

You missed Tate Days a few weekends ago. I had some damn good BBQ at the old Tate gym. You acutally live in ACC? I lived there from June '07-08 on the east side of the town. My girlfriend still does and will be graduating next month from UGA.

[JonInMiddleGA]

You missed Tate Days a few weekends ago. I had some damn good BBQ at the old Tate gym.

I'm so old that I had P.E. and played a few seasons of basketball in that old gym :)

You acutally live in ACC?

Yep, one of the neighborhoods off Timothy Rd, about a mile & a half on the Oconee side of Epps Bridge.

[Recoil]

I'm so old that I had P.E. and played a few seasons of basketball in that old gym :)

I played a few basketball games at that gym. Also a few practices.

Yep, one of the neighborhoods off Timothy Rd, about a mile & a half on the Oconee side of Epps Bridge.

That shouldn't be too far from where my girlfriend used to live on Macon HWY at River Club. In my time in Athens, I lived off Riverbend. I'm sure you know where that is.

[whomario]

still some "regional" rooting interest for me as Gonzaga added another german player in Mathis Monninghoff and he´s off to a good start and seems to be set as a rotation player in his freshman year :)
Hope he develops well, out national team desperately needs new Guards ;)

Christian Standhardinger for nebraska still seems to struggle on defense and get major playing time, but scored 30 points in 35 minutes the first 2 games.

The Saint Mary´s Aussies also just got a good win against St Johns.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Just to make the GT fans feel like they have company, Oklahoma needed overtime to beat North Carolina Central last night. Another big conference school that's really going to struggle this year. Not sure Capel will have a job there after this year.

[sooner333]

Just to make the GT fans feel like they have company, Oklahoma needed overtime to beat North Carolina Central last night. Another big conference school that's really going to struggle this year. Not sure Capel will have a job there after this year.

I think he'll have a job for one more year, but this thing won't be pretty at all. Granted, they are better than they played yesterday because I think they can hit open shots with more regularity than that, but it's certainly more of a sign of things to come than if we had blown them out by 40.

[Groundhog]

The Saint Mary´s Aussies also just got a good win against St Johns.

Just finished watching the delayed broadcast. Good game for St. Mary's. I love watching them run their offense against St. John's 3-2 zone, so patiently finding the perimeter shooters. Their two transfer bigs also were impressive.

St. John's struggled against the Gael's D, but the talent is definitely there. Can't believe they have ten seniors on that roster. Sheesh.

[MrBug708]

What do you know, Lavin lost

[Scarecrow]

Watching #3 K-State pull away from #24 VT. Was kinda worried with Curtis Kelly in Frank Martin's doghouse.

[Groundhog]

Frank Martin's doghouse would be a scary place to be. K-State and VT both very aggressive teams that will do well this year based on today's game.

Ohio State looked really good just now against Florida too. Florida were real sloppy and undisciplined down the stretch, and I'm not at all a fan of that diminutive PG of theirs, can't recall his name. Nasty habit of throwing up bad shots and driving straight into the key without a plan.

Sullinger finished with 26 and 11 for Ohio State for his 2nd straight double-double, but many of those were "easy" slams around the hoop from nice feeds. He really doesn't get much lift when he shoots from the post and had a number of shots blocked because he basically didn't jump.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Early indictments come down in the ticket scandal at KU. Five members of the athletic department are involved thus far. Will be interesting to see how many of these people plea bargain in return for information about further involvement by other members of the department.

http://www.ksnt.com/news/local/story/Former-KU-employees-indicted-in-ticket-scam/juPUS77TREiWDu6ZRwdvhA.cspx

[hoopsguy]

At the half, Illini and Longhorns are tied at 45.

It felt like the Longhorns points came easier, partly because they got better looks and partly because every open jump shot felt like it found the bottom of the net.

The Texas bigs dominated the Illini guys. Illinois really needs to send a double at Thompson when he posts, make the guy show that he can pass the ball or make a move to his left instead of going to his right shoulder like he did 3 times.

Didn't take long this season for my wife to ask me to stop yelling at the TV.

[Wolfpack]

State scuffled for a half against a game, but inferior, ECU team (my goodness, when was the last time I could say that about State basketball?) before just plowing them in the second half. A 37-29 halftime lead exploded to 64-35 before State throttled back and finished with an 85-65 win. This was in spite of a tough night for CJ Leslie and Javi Gonzalez, and apparently a leg injury for Tracey Smith that might keep him out of the rest of the Charleston tournament.

This team definitely has abilities it didn't used to have, though. I've been waiting quite a while for a State team that could go on scoring binges, rather than just being "gritty and tough", yet still score somewhere around 65 points a game. A two-game sample isn't something to declare a trend yet, but I like what I've seen so far.

[cartman]

Nice win in OT for Texas. Tristan Thompson looks like he is going to live up to the hype and then some. Tomorrow night's game against Pitt should be interesting. Pitt will probably be looking for payback for last year's Horns win.

[cartman]

Texas is only down 3 at the half to Pitt, 31-28. Closer game than I thought. But the slow pace helps Pitt.

[cartman]

Pitt beats Texas 68-66 to win the Coaches v. Cancer Classic. No shame in the Horns loss. They seem to have gotten past the horrible 2nd half of last season, and are making their own mark on this season.

[Izulde]

UNLV steamrolled a Southeastern Louisiana team that won 19 games last year, 92-56 or something like that Wednesday night. Unfortunately I had a reading to go to, so couldn't go.

I am beyond pumped for tomorrow afternoon's game against Wisconsin, though, and if any of y'all were here, I have an extra free ticket.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Josh Selby at KU received a 9 game suspension yesterday and will have to pay back roughly $6K in benefits. Parrish over at CBSSports.com has an interesting take on it.......

In Selby's case, reward clearly outweighs risk - NCAA Division I Mens Basketball - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/14325013/in-selbys-case-reward-clearly-outweighs-risk)

[Butter]

I'm sure no one cares other than me, but the Dayton Flyers come back from 16 down in the 2nd half, and beat Ole Miss on the road in OT, 78-71. Huge win for the young Flyers against a mid-level SEC team on the road. A nice resume builder for Dayton, and the A10 who have struggled in the OOC so far.

Also watched UNLV nick Wisconsin by 3. I thought the Rebs were going to choke it late, but they stayed strong on D and pulled it out. Nice win for the Mtn. West.

[mauchow]

What a silly last few minutes in the Badgers/UNLV game. With just over two minutes and the Badgers down one Jordan Taylor, the PG for WI was dribbling it up past half court and did a crossover and missed it completely with his right hand and went out of bounds... that could have been the difference right there. Then of course the turnover with 8 seconds left underneath the basket. Not sure what Bruiser was thinking bouncing it inbounds.. it would have been 6'10" vs 6'4" on the inbounds with 8 seconds to go down by one, instead the Badgers had 6 seconds to go the length of the floor and try a desperation three. Taylor got an okay look at the three but didn't even come close. Good game, UNLV.

This will be a good game for the Badgers to learn from their mistakes. I don't have toooooo many concerns about this WI team. They will still finish top four in the conference and that will say a lot in the best conference in the country.

Oh, and UNLV shot out of their minds at times. Just chuckin' up threes and draining them... that's the way it goes sometimes.

[Izulde]

It should have been UNLV's ball with 8.1 seconds left, which could have been the game-changer. Fortunately, it wasn't.

What an exciting, thrilling, nerve-wracking game, though. One of the most fun and craziest I've ever been to. Can I just say again how much I love Chace Stanback? He's been our best offensive weapon in the early season and he was again tonight. 8/14, 4/7 from behind the arc for 25 points and 2 steals. Oscar Bellfield couldn't miss in the first half. Had 11 of our first 16 points and finished the game with 18 on 7/11 shooting, 4/6 from 3 point range, also with 2 steals and 5 rebounds.

And Justin Hawkins with that final steal and hitting both free throws to give us the insurance we needed to win. My oh my, what a hell of a play and clutch shooting!

That said, we had some problems. We took too many bad shots and our rebounding was horrible on both ends. Like I said, rebounding is going to be our biggest weakness this year and it showed against the Badgers. Still shot 49% overall, 50% from 3 point range, but we need to work more on our shot selection and we need to box out.

I still hold to my prediction of 20 wins and about third in the Mountain West, with an NCAA bid. We're a Top 25 team, but probably in the lower half.

For now though, this was a fantastic win. :)

[mauchow]

It should have been UNLV's ball with 8.1 seconds left, which could have been the game-changer. Fortunately, it wasn't.


I initially thought that, too but on the replay incredibly the ref got that particular call correct... and, strangely enough, UNLV ended up with the ball at 8.1 seconds anyway. lol

[MrBug708]

Oh Chace Stanback...I'm glad he found a nice home.

[Izulde]

Oh Chace Stanback...I'm glad he found a nice home.

Much of UNLV's history and success has been built on transfers, so it fits. ;) Just saw that he didn't do well his freshman year at UCLA before transferring.

[MrBug708]

I think both parties benefited from Stanback taking his game elsewhere

[wade moore]

W&M playing @ Syracuse on ESPN3.com...

I expect this to be a tough game for my Tribe with how this season has started.

[MJ4H]

Hey how did McCurdy work out for you guys?

[wade moore]

Hey how did McCurdy work out for you guys?

Overall very well for us. He was a key part to only our 2nd NIT appearance ever last year. He was never a real scoring threat, but he ran our offense well and played solid defense.

Never was a superstar for us, but an important piece of the puzzle.

[molson]

W&M playing @ Syracuse on ESPN3.com...

I expect this to be a tough game for my Tribe with how this season has started.

Don't be fooled by the SU ranking - Jim Boeheim has called this "the most overrated team I've ever had". He's officially reached old man stage where he can say whatever he wants.

[wade moore]

Don't be fooled by the SU ranking - Jim Boeheim has called this "the most overrated team I've ever had". He's officially reached old man stage where he can say whatever he wants.

Well, W&M has been absolutely blown out by both UVA and Richmond this year.

[wade moore]

That being said, with 2:41 left in the first half it's 25-28 Syracuse with W&M about to shoot 1 free throw.

of course, we kept the other two close in the 1st half as well.

[wade moore]

Don't look now - W&M 47 - Syracuse 46 3/4 of the way through the game.

[wade moore]

Apparently I'm posting just for me, but 3:40 left and W&M is up by 1 with 3:40 left on Syracuse on ESPN3.

[Logan]

Nice win for Rutgers over Miami today. God I love Mike Rice.

[rjolley]

wade, who won the game?

[sterlingice]

Syracuse by 3 :( (nothing against Syracuse- wade just seemed to be the only one who cared in this thread)

SI

[sovereignstar v2]

I blame Donovan McNabb. Dude is an embarrassment to Syracuse.

[spleen1015]

I thought UNC was supposed to be a title contender this year?

[wade moore]

wade, who won the game?

Syracuse by 3 :( (nothing against Syracuse- wade just seemed to be the only one who cared in this thread)

SI

Yeah - sprinted out for a W&M Soccer playoff game.

Yes, I'm addicted to W&M sports ;).

[Swaggs]

Minnesota's big men have great hands. I'm not feeling too good about WVU pulling this one out, but both of these teams seem like they will be pretty good this year.

The refs in this tournament have been calling everything and making the games pretty unpleasant to watch.

[mckerney]

Minnesota's big men have great hands.

I think all 4 of them are at 4 fouls, hopefully they can stay on the court until the end.

[Swaggs]

The refs are being pretty balanced, but just calling everything.

I just counted up and in WVU's first two games, there were ten players that fouled out (between both teams in each game, not just WVU).