WW CXXXIX - The Red Death II - GAME OVER, SERVANTS WIN

[CrimsonFox]

Dola

That's for converting me in Chubby's game


I knew it would come back to haunt me. :D But as an 8th candidate now or whatever. Now THAT is interesting, Jackal.

[dubb93]

I KNEW IT! It was YOU that killed me. GRRRRR :redface: :)

May have been an item. May have been a power. Ultimately I pulled the trigger. I never anticipated the blood bath that followed.

[dubb93]

unvote lathum
vote dubb

Sling'n it till it sticks?

[Chief Rum]

It looks like we're starting to see our consolidation. bhlloy remains in the lead. If my pet theory has any creedence to it, bhlloy is a villager, and the other candidates contain a wolf, probably one of those still in the hunt. Right now, that seems to be mauboy1 and J23. J23's vote on bhlloy makes sense for his own self-preservation. mauboy1 switching to dubb? Not so much.

VOTE mauboy1

[dzilla77]

Perhaps. I would think he's just normally a Sheriff in Arkansas, and he's only in Missouri now because he's at this Lightbringer conference. That doesn't mean he doesn't have the powers or abilities he would normally have. What he is in Arkansas or here doesn't matter anyway--we know what abilities he has in the here and the now.

I was sure he was there to deliver Mizzou's invitation to the SEC.

[CrimsonFox]

Perhaps. I would think he's just normally a Sheriff in Arkansas, and he's only in Missouri now because he's at this Lightbringer conference. That doesn't mean he doesn't have the powers or abilities he would normally have. What he is in Arkansas or here doesn't matter anyway--we know what abilities he has in the here and the now.


Well I was sherriff last time and it was like Bodyguard and I think started with a colt but i don't remember what a colt did. Things might be altered in roles for balance as well. In fact I would most assuredly think many roles ARE different than before (however slightly)

[dzilla77]

for those who haven't notices the Sheriff has no jurisdiction here as he's from Arkansas and we're in Missouri (Yes, I'm sure it's just a typo, but thought it was funny :shrugs: as I was rereading the rules/roles)

Yeah, but he does have a gun, so that gives him jurisdiction regardless of his location.

[Chief Rum]

Well I was sherriff last time and it was like Bodyguard and I think started with a colt but i don't remember what a colt did. Things might be altered in roles for balance as well. In fact I would most assuredly think many roles ARE different than before (however slightly)

Yeah, I am accepting the sheriff role on the face value of what is described in the ruleset. I am just noting that the jurisdiction issue is iirelevant because the ruleset establishes what his powers are in this game in Missouri, regardless of what they would be in Arkansas.

[CrimsonFox]

May have been an item. May have been a power. Ultimately I pulled the trigger. I never anticipated the blood bath that followed.

It was a few hours from lynchtime I think so I didn't expect to die but I just happened to be leading votegetter at the time.

Talking about wolf-strategy... DOes it make sense to use a one-time ability like that on villager-villager, or actually use it to save a wolf who is number two of three?

I could see risks either way. First case it would kinda waste the ability when it isn't needed but it would surely cause confusion.

Second case it would possibly put a target on your co-wolf's back, but if they are in a mix of 2nd/3rd candidates, it is often possible to have that fact ignored and squeak by in later days because of other attention.

[CrimsonFox]

Yeah, I am accepting the sheriff role on the face value of what is described in the ruleset. I am just noting that the jurisdiction issue is iirelevant because the ruleset establishes what his powers are in this game in Missouri, regardless of what they would be in Arkansas.


Thinking about this from a flavor-text AND gameplay angle. If I put in a line like that, it would be to say that he has no power to just go up and arrest someone that he thinks is bad and thus has to follow the rules of this town like everyone else. But since he IS a man of the law and skilled at shootin' and fightin' and swearin', he takes it upon himself to defend and protect people (thus the bodyguard aspect).

[CrimsonFox]

Updating SnDvLs chart

vote update

dubb - Thomkal (83),Bholly (125) mauboy (250)
ntn - dzilla77 (84), Grammatica (236)
mauboy - hoops (129) CrimsonFox (233) Chief Rum (254)
J23 - Autumn (116), Zinto (178) SnDvls (225) saldana (242)
Danny - EagleFan (117), Lathum (142)
Bhlloy - Commo Soldier (127), The Jackal (199), J23 (212), mckerney (222), ntndeacon (248) dubb (249)
Lathum - Narcizo (167)
Crimson Fox - MrBug (244)

Yet to vote: Danny, Raiders Army


Voted then unvoted

MrBug - Narcizo (101)
The Jackal - Narcizo (154)
Dubb - saldana (171)
Danny - The Jackal (199)
The Jackal - SnDvls (213)
mauboy - ntndeacon (248)
Lathum - dubb (249)
Lathum - mauboy (250)

[CrimsonFox]

I really feel quite good about CHief being a villager and think like 60% that dubb is also a villager.

[mauchow]

I just read dubbs move as completely wolfy sounding.

[CrimsonFox]

I disagree. I don't think a wolf would turn a runaway 5 into a runaway 6.
He would just leave things be instead.

That said I don't know WHY an uberrunaway on bhlloy is that important. I don't read anything into people throwing out a second vote at all these days, even if you are the first. I really doubt a wolf would do that.

[mauchow]

I disagree. I don't think a wolf would turn a runaway 5 into a runaway 6.
He would just leave things be instead.

That said I don't know WHY an uberrunaway on bhlloy is that important. I don't read anything into people throwing out a second vote at all these days, even if you are the first. I really doubt a wolf would do that.

The move itself doesn't look like a wolf - but everything about the post itself just says "wolf" to me. Just the way I read it, that's all.

[Autumn]

I disagree. I don't think a wolf would turn a runaway 5 into a runaway 6.
He would just leave things be instead.

That said I don't know WHY an uberrunaway on bhlloy is that important. I don't read anything into people throwing out a second vote at all these days, even if you are the first. I really doubt a wolf would do that.

6-4-3-3 is a runaway vote?

[CrimsonFox]

bhlloy frequently being gone during many middays and therefore not able to change his vote to a "save himself" vote yet (or maybe not ever) also makes me think bhlloy is a probably a villager.

[Autumn]

I disagree. I don't think a wolf would turn a runaway 5 into a runaway 6.
He would just leave things be instead.

That said I don't know WHY an uberrunaway on bhlloy is that important. I don't read anything into people throwing out a second vote at all these days, even if you are the first. I really doubt a wolf would do that.

I think Jackal's point was that putting Danny into the mix bhlloy almost immediately voted for Dubb, leading Jackal to think it might have been a defensive vote? Others jumped on it 'cause, hey, why not, and probably because they figured it might get more traction than a Danny or Dubb vote if they are wolves.

[CrimsonFox]

hmmm yeah not runaway anymore, I thought others didn't have more than 3 at this point.

[dzilla77]

6-4-3-3 is a runaway vote?

Yeah, I'm not really seeing a runaway either. I am also not seeing anything in today's posts that indicate anyone is a wolf or for that matter a villager.

The problem with (probably) so few wolves on D1 is that it is unlikely that we would hit one to begin with and the wolves would be unable to influence the voting one way or another.

[The Jackal]

I definitely don't like how many people jumped on my reasoning, but at least it made for some interesting movement.

[mauchow]

Well, I'm out til about a half hour before deadline.

Don't vote for me!

[CrimsonFox]

I think Jackal's point was that putting Danny into the mix bhlloy almost immediately voted for Dubb, leading Jackal to think it might have been a defensive vote? Others jumped on it 'cause, hey, why not, and probably because they figured it might get more traction than a Danny or Dubb vote if they are wolves.


Yeah I believe Jackal does think that way. First day I never know. THere's frequently people voting at the same time/not reading all the posts and votes when they vote. Granted he knew dubb had a vote. Did he know about the Danny vote. I really doubt a wolf would up to a second vote immediately after their cohort was voted once.

So if we believe jackal's theory then bhlloy and Danny are both wolves then. I don't think that.

[Autumn]

I essentially agree with dzilla that we'll probably only see noise today, no signal. Twenty four voters, and we know a smaller than number amount of wolves, whatever that is. And I think there's a very good chance some of them can't talk to each other (was that the case last Red Death game?). So pretty unlikely we'll catch the wolves at anything today. But you never know. I think Jackal's idea was a pretty smart one, sometimes you catch somebody with stuff like that.

[bhlloy]

I started a new job today which really sucks, but I'll come out and reveal on day 1 I guess. I'm the keeper of the flame, probably won't get on again until well after deadline.

Self preservation

unvote dubb
vote Mauboy

[bhlloy]

doh, reading again Mau and Dubb were tied anyway. Gotta run.

[Autumn]

Well, that's a role that he should be able to demonstrate, so a pretty safe reveal to believe.

[CrimsonFox]

bhlloy j23 has more votes than either. I didn't see that either actually as all of his voters have short names.

[Autumn]

For those just tuning in:

Dubb - thomkal, mauboy
NTN - dzilla, grammaticus
Mauboy - hoops, CF, chief rum, bhlloy
MrBug -
J23 - autumn, zinto, sndvls, saldana
Danny - EF, Lathum
Bhlloy - commo, jackal, J23, mckerney, ntndeacon, dubb
Jackal -
Lathum - narc
crimson fox - mrbug

[CrimsonFox]

okay 6-4-4-2 now

[The Jackal]

unvote bhlloy

[The Jackal]

Sorry for suggesting a theory which led to a run on you and forced you to reveal, bud.

[The Jackal]

Well, mau said he'd be back a half hour before deadline, so if he has a role he'll have time to reveal.

VOTE MAU

[Danny]

I believe bhlloy. Good reveal as well, especially since you're not a crucial role.

[Danny]

My guess is the two or three (seems like that is the general consensus) are under the radar at this point.

[CrimsonFox]

EF is here. Good. He's the person I most want to hear from now. I miss him.

[EagleFan]

unvote Danny

vote mau

[Autumn]

Why is everybody going Mauboy? What is the rationale there?

[EagleFan]

Hi CF.

[EagleFan]

Why is everybody going Mauboy? What is the rationale there?

For me the only reason was the other current option already revealed a role.

[EagleFan]

Still trying to catch up (and have more ELB stuff to take care of) but will be here for a little while (will comment on anything that jumps out at me).

[Abe Sargent]

As a reminder, Day One ends AT 10:00, not at 10:01. Any vote or change at 10:00 does not count.

[Autumn]

Perhaps of interest, of note at least, that three people have gone with Mauboy rather than J23, when it was 6-4 bhlloy/J23.

[The Jackal]

Why is everybody going Mauboy? What is the rationale there?

Honestly I don't have a reason other than seeing what shakes out

[Danny]

I don't think Mau is a wolf

[The Jackal]

unvote mau
vote j23

[Danny]

Vote ntn

[The Jackal]

About to do a fantasy hockey draft and then watch house, will be in and out

[CrimsonFox]

As a reminder, Day One ends AT 10:00, not at 10:01. Any vote or change at 10:00 does not count.


BIg thanks for this reminder. Very important!

[Danny]

Oh and I am fine with a J23 vote, but I am looking to manipulate the candidates here hopefully into J23 and Ntn

[CrimsonFox]

I don't think Mau is a wolf


I'm leaning that way too. We probably have V-V-V up now although I"ve no read on J and no read on people voting for J.

[CrimsonFox]

Perhaps of interest, of note at least, that three people have gone with Mauboy rather than J23, when it was 6-4 bhlloy/J23.

Yeah I noticed that. ALthough bhlloy's had to be a mistake of just not reading things properly. His vote was VERY dine and dash.

The other two following the trend I guess, whether wolf or not.

[Lathum]

just got home, vote count?

[CrimsonFox]

I'm wondering if bhlloy should or shouldn't use his ability tonight. It is likely he will be a target. But if he picks at random or on very little to go on he could obviously hit a villager. Something to think about before night action deadline, b.

[CrimsonFox]

just got home, vote count?


this is what I have continuing from Autumn's post.

Dubb 2 - thomkal, mauboy
NTN 3 - dzilla, grammaticus, Danny
Mauboy 5 - hoops, CF, chief rum, bhlloy, Eaglefan
J23 5 - autumn, zinto, sndvls, saldana, j23
Danny 1 - Lathum
Bhlloy 5 - commo, J23, mckerney, ntndeacon, dubb
Lathum 1 - narc
crimson fox 1 - mrbug

[CrimsonFox]

unvote mauboy
vote j23

[CrimsonFox]

this is what I have continuing from Autumn's post.

Dubb 2 - thomkal, mauboy
NTN 3 - dzilla, grammaticus, Danny
Mauboy 5 - hoops, CF, chief rum, bhlloy, Eaglefan
J23 5 - autumn, zinto, sndvls, saldana, j23
Danny 1 - Lathum
Bhlloy 5 - commo, J23, mckerney, ntndeacon, dubb
Lathum 1 - narc
crimson fox 1 - mrbug

whoops j23 can't vote for himself.

Dubb 2 - thomkal, mauboy
NTN 3 - dzilla, grammaticus, Danny
Mauboy 4 - hoops, chief rum, bhlloy, Eaglefan
J23 6 - autumn, zinto, sndvls, saldana, jackal, CrimsonFox
Danny 1 - Lathum
Bhlloy 5 - commo, J23, mckerney, ntndeacon, dubb
Lathum 1 - narc
crimson fox 1 - mrbug

[Danny]

I'm wondering if bhlloy should or shouldn't use his ability tonight. It is likely he will be a target. But if he picks at random or on very little to go on he could obviously hit a villager. Something to think about before night action deadline, b.

No way should he use his ability. He has a far greater chance of hitting a roled villager than a wolf. If I was wolf, I would probably leave him alive and look for more important roles anyway.

[CrimsonFox]

HMmm here's a question that no one probably knows the answer to. If a roled villager gets corrupted, what happens? Do they completely lose their former abilities and gain new? Or do they get new ones on top of what they had.

[Lathum]

unvote Danny
Vote J23

[Danny]

HMmm here's a question that no one probably knows the answer to. If a roled villager gets corrupted, what happens? Do they completely lose their former abilities and gain new? Or do they get new ones on top of what they had.

Gain new abilities, lose old ones

[Danny]

Oh and I believe bhlloy's reveal 100%. A wolf does not fake reveal as that role when the real one would simply use their night ability to kill them.

[CrimsonFox]

HMmm here's a question that no one probably knows the answer to. If a roled villager gets corrupted, what happens? Do they completely lose their former abilities and gain new? Or do they get new ones on top of what they had.

Something like the second thing is more what I'm worried about, Danny. Where he have an evil person with a free extra night kill running around.
BUt I do agree with you. Too little to go on at this point and it is probaly more likely he loses his lightbringer abilities.

[Danny]

Post above, rules state that a player loses their ability and gains new ones.

[CrimsonFox]

ah good. thanks. I was too lazy to go find it. :D

[Danny]

The Red Death is so powerful, that when someone is corrupted, they will gain a new role and powers and lose their old ones.


...

[Danny]

ah good. thanks. I was too lazy to go find it. :D

As long as you are honest about it

[Commo_Soldier]

Oh and I believe bhlloy's reveal 100%. A wolf does not fake reveal as that role when the real one would simply use their night ability to kill them.

Makes alot of sense. Unvote Bhlloy. I also believe the flame should not be used tonight it is better it goes unused because of a death or conversion, than a random stab. However, I think in a several days, maybe 4-6 when we have a better idea, that he use it, and tell us before hand, or be lynched to make sure he is who he is and or has not been converted.

[CrimsonFox]

Indeed. obvious conversion target is obvious.

[Danny]

The problem with converting bh is that he would then lose his ability and be unable to prove himself at that point. If the wolves convert him, we would end up catching him before long.

[Abe Sargent]

...

Reading the rules is tech!

[The Jackal]

CF don't put unvotes in the middle of a paragraph, that's so rough on a mod

[The Jackal]

uhh CF = Commo, sorry

[CrimsonFox]

CS, not CF :)

It was kind of a "designer vote" :)
All artsy and pretentious. I approve. :)

[hoopsguy]

Eh, I'm not sure how obvious a conversion target the player-killer role would be. If it hasn't been used for several days it will draw increased scrutiny. If I was a wolf in that spot I would be more worried about seers than a villager who can take out another villager.

A one-man circle of trust, that is guaranteed to diminish every day it is left trusted, isn't that big of a threat. Not in a 24 person game.

[Danny]

Eh, I'm not sure how obvious a conversion target the player-killer role would be. If it hasn't been used for several days it will draw increased scrutiny. If I was a wolf in that spot I would be more worried about seers than a villager who can take out another villager.

A one-man circle of trust, that is guaranteed to diminish every day it is left trusted, isn't that big of a threat. Not in a 24 person game.

I will always have a circle of trust of at least one.

[The Jackal]

I will always have a circle of trust of at least one.

Until the game where you aren't told your own role

[CrimsonFox]

I will always have a circle of trust of at least one.

isn't that called a "period"?

[mckerney]

Unvote bhlloy
Vote mau

[CrimsonFox]

I was going to say, mckerney. Seeing you on a lot and not changing your vote off bhlloy made me want to vote for you.

[Danny]

I'm really surprised ntn isn't getting more traction.

[Abe Sargent]

Here we go:

Turn 1 – we win init. The hills split our fire from one half of my mechs onto their Marauder IIc and their Man O War. Braham Essex’s AC 20 from his Orion cracks the Marauder right in the CT – a good start. Their Locust IIc goes internal and his an SRM on the Thug.

T2 – We win init. We have a real melee on the left side where the hills come together. These mechs are all next to each other – Their Peregrine, Dragonfly, Locust IIc, and our Highlander, Orion, Shootist and Flashman. I expect to focus some fire on these guys to take out one or two this turn. I hop the Starslayer over to get some damage in. The very first shot to hit the Locust IIc is Braham’s modified Orion’s AC20 and it destroys the CT. Our Highlander takes three AC20 hits from the Hunchbacks double ultra AC 20s and is not internal anywhere. Our Lynx fires an ER PPC at their Galahad and hits an engine, gyro, and gauss ammo. (Gauss ammo does not explode). A gauss from our Highlander nails their Marauder’s LT and hits both engines there. Their Man o War nails a shoulder actuator on our Blackjack. No one falls, although 8 mechs took 20 or more damage this turn on both sides combined. Our Flashman kicks and destroys the RL on their Peregrine.

T3 – We lose init. I run my Flashman behind their Hunchy IIc. I move the Shootist next to it too, and our Orion next to their Marauder IIc. We won the last melee, let’s see how far we can push this. Our Flashman destroys the LT of their Hunchy. Our Shootist takes the AC20s this turn. A cluster of missiles from the LRM 20 by our Griffin nails the head of their Kodiak. Their Peregrine gets a limb blown off critical on the Thug, whose RA is now gone. No one falls. Our Thug kicks and destroys the LT of their Peregrine. Out Shootist kicks an actuator on their Hunchy.

T4 - We win init. I hop our P Hawk behind their Man o War. Braham’s Orion gets behind their Kodiak. Their Kodiak destroys the LT and RT of our Thug after hitting it’s ammo and being saved by CASE. Our Highlander destroys the LA and LT of their Dragonfly. Our Lynx destroys the Peregrine’s RA, and his it gyro and engine once each. Our Talon reaches back, fires an ER PPC and shears off the H of their Man O War. Their Galahad falls and the pilot blacks out. Our Thug falls. I run my Talon by the Mad Cat, and hop my P Hawk to it as well.

T5 – We win init. I eject the Thug pilot. I jump the Lynx by their Galahad to try and snipe off the head. It only hit the head once with a Medium Laser. The Highlander dances a Gauss slug into the CT oftheir Marauder IIc and hits a gyro. Our Shootist destroys its RL and RT and destroys the Mad IIc with a shutdown of the engine. The engine explodes, and the Lynx takes damage, as does the Galahad, who loses its LT. Our Flashman destroys the Hunchys CT. Before it goes, it fires an ER Medium Laser into the head of our Flashman but Rachel Perry shakes it off. Their Griffin IIc punches the head of our Lynx and goes internal but hits nothing. The Galahad pilot misses the 7 he needs to waken.

T6 – We rock init. Their Peregrine tries to stand, fails, falls down and blows off its other leg. I run the Talon behind their Mad Cat. I run my Orion and Flashman above and next to their Kodiak. Our Flashman took two shots from an Ultra AC20 and is still standing. Our Shootist destroys the Galahad’s H with a carefully aimed pulse laser. Our Lynx destroys the Griffin IIc’s RA. The Talon destroys the Mad Cat’s LA. Our Flashman kicks in the Kodiak’s Head and it is a dead mech.

T7 – We win with tactical genius. We off the four remaining Bear mechs hegira and they accept. They limp and hobble off the three mechs they have left - Griffin IIc, Mad Cat and Dragonfly. All three were damaged and missing limbs.

We have won another 10 clan techs.

[CrimsonFox]

Dubb 2 - thomkal, mauboy
NTN 3 - dzilla, grammaticus, Danny
Mauboy 5 - hoops, chief rum, bhlloy, Eaglefan, mckerney
J23 7 - autumn, zinto, sndvls, saldana, jackal, CrimsonFox, Lathum
Danny 1 - Lathum
Bhlloy 3 - J23, ntndeacon, dubb
Lathum 1 - narc
crimson fox 1 - mrbug

[Commo_Soldier]

Just to make sure it gets captured

Unvote Bhlloy

Not sure why everyone is going towards mau after rereading the first few pages when he semi revealed. I'm going with my vote because it could have been a wolf on a bandwagon hoping to ensure a villager gets lynched and nothing strange happens.

Vote NTN

[Autumn]

I was going to say, mckerney. Seeing you on a lot and not changing your vote off bhlloy made me want to vote for you.

Not a good idea to put too much faith in the list of who's reading the thread. they could be three pages back for all you know, or have it on auto refresh.

[CrimsonFox]

AWESOME! Mechs show up and blast the Red Death! :)

I want a griffin!

[Commo_Soldier]

Is that what that is? I'm super confused at Abe's post.

[CrimsonFox]

Not a good idea to put too much faith in the list of who's reading the thread. they could be three pages back for all you know, or have it on auto refresh.


yeah I know. And I've been burned by that before. But he was on for quite awhile in the last hour without saying a thing OR changing his vote. I know it doesn't always mean anything especially with smartphones today but if you're on that long and say NOTHING I find it suspicious.

I did notice j23 on too so I'm really happy with my vote right now.

[Autumn]

Not sure why everyone is going towards mau after rereading the first few pages when he semi revealed. I'm going with my vote because it could have been a wolf on a bandwagon hoping to ensure a villager gets lynched and nothing strange happens.

What did he say? I don't recall anything.

[CrimsonFox]

Is that what that is? I'm super confused at Abe's post.


I'm guessing it's for a battletech dynasty or something in for the other forum and was a mistake post here. :)

[bhlloy]

Alright, I got home WAY earlier than expected. Sorry for the vote and dash earlier guys, but I didn't expect to get back on again tonight and didn't want to be eviscerated for not revealing my role and hurting the village.

I'm gonna go back and look at Mau's posts in detail now I have the time. At the time, I thought he was joint in the lead but I didn't even have that correct.

[CrimsonFox]

Dubb 2 - thomkal, mauboy
NTN 4 - dzilla, grammaticus, Danny, Commo
Mauboy 5 - hoops, chief rum, bhlloy, Eaglefan, mckerney
J23 7 - autumn, zinto, sndvls, saldana, jackal, CrimsonFox, Lathum
Bhlloy 3 - J23, ntndeacon, dubb
Lathum 1 - narc
crimson fox 1 - mrbug

[Commo_Soldier]

What did he say? I don't recall anything.

Well, I'm out til about a half hour before deadline.

Don't vote for me!



yeah I know. And I've been burned by that before. But he was on for quite awhile in the last hour without saying a thing OR changing his vote. I know it doesn't always mean anything especially with smartphones today but if you're on that long and say NOTHING I find it suspicious.

I did notice j23 on too so I'm really happy with my vote right now.

Just so people know from about 5am PST to 5 PM PST I will be on my phone when posting I will refresh throughout the day, but will be limited on posting tons, but will be able to shorter things with ease.

[Abe Sargent]

AWESOME! Mechs show up and blast the Red Death! :)

I want a griffin!

Whoops, I accidentally posted my dynasty post here, they are on tabs next to each other, and I posted in teh wrong one....sooo.

Check out my dynasty!

[bhlloy]

No way should he use his ability. He has a far greater chance of hitting a roled villager than a wolf. If I was wolf, I would probably leave him alive and look for more important roles anyway.

I agree with this (well obviously the second bit :lol: ) but the first as well. The only thing I would say if anyone has a read is that a villager has a 1 in 5 chance of surviving whereas a wolf doesn't, which might tip the odds slightly a bit later on but on day one, it's still overwhelmingly likely that I kill a villager.

Unless anyone has any great insight they would like to share.

[bhlloy]

I feel a lot better with J23 than Mauboy, so I'll be looking to push him ahead I think if it tightens up.

Danny - any particular reason (that you'd be comfortable sharing) you were wanting to make this a NTN-J23 race? I tend to agree with you looking back through the thread, wondering if I shouldn't make that switch to hopefully take Mau completely out of the running.

[mauchow]

Just to make sure it gets captured

Unvote Bhlloy

Not sure why everyone is going towards mau after rereading the first few pages when he semi revealed. I'm going with my vote because it could have been a wolf on a bandwagon hoping to ensure a villager gets lynched and nothing strange happens.

Vote NTN
who semi revealed?

[J23]

Oh and I am fine with a J23 vote, but I am looking to manipulate the candidates here hopefully into J23 and Ntn

Why is that the case Danny?

Just not sure how I ended up with this many votes today. Because I was the big bad last game?

When I voted for bhlloy, the options were two solid villagers in danny and dubb, an utr player that died early last game in ntn, a player or two I didn't really know maybe(I'm doing this from memory), and bhlloy. That was my reasoning at the time.

[mauchow]

I didn't see his answer before asking..

[J23]

I did notice j23 on too so I'm really happy with my vote right now.

Opened the thread, saw 5 pages to catch up on and went to make some dinner first. :p

[Commo_Soldier]

who semi revealed?

I just took your post that I quoted to be something that may mean you have some importance. If your saying it didn't mean anything then I guess keep voting you if they want.

[J23]

unvote bhlloy

[Abe Sargent]

Off to my 9:30 staff meeting. It usually takes 10-15 minutes but today I have more items to cover, so I expect 20ish. There is an outside chance I'll not be back until post-deadline.

[J23]

Vote mauboy

I'm vanilla, so if it ends up with me getting lynched, it's not a big deal, but I'd rather have a chance at lynching a wolf obviously, so I'm not about to vote myself.

Ties mean all those tied get lynched remember, which is probably a decidedly bad thing for day1 unless I'm missing some important strategy, so hopefully people are around to move a vote if needed.

[CrimsonFox]

fair enough. :)

So wow me with your feedback.

[mauchow]

Dubb 2 - thomkal, mauboy
NTN 4 - dzilla, grammaticus, Danny, Commo
Mauboy 6 - hoops, chief rum, bhlloy, Eaglefan, mckerney, j23
J23 7 - autumn, zinto, sndvls, saldana, jackal, CrimsonFox, Lathum
Bhlloy 2 - ntndeacon, dubb
Lathum 1 - narc
crimson fox 1 - mrbug

[bhlloy]

unvote mauboy
vote ntn

I don't think mauboy is a wolf, and I see no reason to push J23 ahead any further. So let's go with this for now. See if we can't prod ntn to come out and play until deadline.

[Danny]

Why is that the case Danny?

Just not sure how I ended up with this many votes today. Because I was the big bad last game?

When I voted for bhlloy, the options were two solid villagers in danny and dubb, an utr player that died early last game in ntn, a player or two I didn't really know maybe(I'm doing this from memory), and bhlloy. That was my reasoning at the time.

Because I consider you a decent enough candidate pray, as opposed to some others who I didn't like as candidates. I do prefer ntn at this point though.

To comms post, I don't have any inside info, but I sweet ntn as a solid vote today.

[bhlloy]

ugh... J23 I may have to push you ahead even further now

[J23]

I feel a lot better with J23 than Mauboy, so I'll be looking to push him ahead I think if it tightens up.

Why is this the case Bhlloy?

[mauchow]

The last few games with all the freakin' double votes - I'm scared to be this close to the leader.

unvote dubb
vote ntn

[mauchow]

as of 361

Dubb 1 - thomkal
NTN 6 - dzilla, grammaticus, Danny, Commo, bhhloy, mauboy
Mauboy 5 - hoops, chief rum, Eaglefan, mckerney, j23
J23 7 - autumn, zinto, sndvls, saldana, jackal, CrimsonFox, Lathum
Bhlloy 2 - ntndeacon, dubb
Lathum 1 - narc
crimson fox 1 - mrbug

[J23]

So wow me with your feedback.

From blitzing through the messages, I don't exactly have a whole lot of insight. I really don't think there's too much to be gained from day1 until you have the context of another day or two, or information like a single wolf target to see how they behaved. I'm afraid there will be no wow-ing tonight. :p

[J23]

unvote mauboy
vote ntn

[J23]

The votes are now tied between NtN and myself, so someone should go about burying one of us. There won't be any last minute reveal from me, but I will tell what my item is if it appears I'm about to bite it unless someone has a good reason for me not to.

[CrimsonFox]

Dubb 2 - thomkal
NTN 6 - dzilla, grammaticus, Danny, Commo, bhlloy, mauboy
Mauboy 5 - hoops, chief rum, Eaglefan, mckerney, j23
J23 7 - autumn, zinto, sndvls, saldana, jackal, CrimsonFox, Lathum
Bhlloy 2 - ntndeacon, dubb
Lathum 1 - narc
crimson fox 1 - mrbug

[Commo_Soldier]

Because I consider you a decent enough candidate pray, as opposed to some others who I didn't like as candidates. I do prefer ntn at this point though.

To comms post, I don't have any inside info, but I sweet ntn as a solid vote today.

I believe you were referencing a post to bhlloy or J23, or you may have to remind me what I asked.

[CrimsonFox]

Dubb 2 - thomkal
NTN 7 - dzilla, grammaticus, Danny, Commo, bhlloy, mauboy. j23
Mauboy 4 - hoops, chief rum, Eaglefan, mckerney
J23 7 - autumn, zinto, sndvls, saldana, jackal, CrimsonFox, Lathum
Bhlloy 2 - ntndeacon, dubb
Lathum 1 - narc
crimson fox 1 - mrbug

[Danny]

iPhone posting ftw.

[CrimsonFox]

Well Danny you got your wish.

[J23]

I believe you were referencing a post to bhlloy or J23, or you may have to remind me what I asked.

He meant to reference my "why me" post to him saying he wanted the run-off that is now in place.

[Raiders Army]

Ummm...checking in.

[mauchow]

I will soon have the Kindle Fire, so I will have a lot better typing action, I hope.. that's assuming I can reach the hotel's WIFI from work..oh, please, please, please.

[Commo_Soldier]

Ummm...checking in.

Perfect timing, your first vote can be the one that does the lynching.

[Autumn]

Ummm...checking in.

Good timing RA, everything's up to you!

[Danny]

He meant to reference my "why me" post to him saying he wanted the run-off that is now in place.

Yes, sorry, my Internet went down so I a reading and posting from my iphone.

[dzilla77]

Well, I do not want to see a tie, so

unvote ntn

[Commo_Soldier]

Well, I do not want to see a tie, so

unvote ntn

Interesting you'd do this when RA gets here and can break the tie. Not to mention there is still 20+ minutes to do this.

[CrimsonFox]

Yay everyone has checked in today. 30 minutes before deadline. :)

[J23]

I was planning on unvoting Ntn right before deadline if there wasn't any movement. I'm fairly sure there will be to bury either myself or Ntn though.

Btw, thoughts on whether to share what item I'm holding if I'm the lead lynch candidate right at deadline? I'm wondering if I should since it's a 20% chance that I don't get toasted someone mentioned?

[Raiders Army]

Okay quick scan of the thread. I apologize for not checking in earlier. I forgot I had signed up for this game. :)

Also, I don't check FOFC all that often any more.

[Raiders Army]

just me, but I don't get the semi-reveal. Doesn't seem to be anything more than a "Don't Vote for Me" post.

[Autumn]

I was planning on unvoting Ntn right before deadline if there wasn't any movement. I'm fairly sure there will be to bury either myself or Ntn though.

Btw, thoughts on whether to share what item I'm holding if I'm the lead lynch candidate right at deadline? I'm wondering if I should since it's a 20% chance that I don't get toasted someone mentioned?

I think the lynchee should definitely reveal their item. If you end up not dying you can pass the item at night (though I guess we don't know the order of operations of night actions).

[CrimsonFox]

I actuaqlly was thinking of moving off J onto ntn as I'm willing to hear more from J later. But then dzilla does that :) Someone else wanna move to ntn and I'll join you.

[Raiders Army]

Can someone give me the quick down and dirty on why to vote for ntn? I don't get why everyone switched to him.

[dubb93]

Trying to get caught up. Just got to Bholly's reveal.

Unvote Bholly

[J23]

I started a new job today which really sucks, but I'll come out and reveal on day 1 I guess. I'm the keeper of the flame, probably won't get on again until well after deadline.

Here was the reveal.

[dzilla77]

Interesting you'd do this when RA gets here and can break the tie. Not to mention there is still 20+ minutes to do this.

The problem with waiting until almost deadline is that several other people are doing the same thing, and it often screws things up.

I stand by my action. If someone wants to tie it back up to create the confusion, that's more of a wolfish action than mine might be.

[Raiders Army]

got it. Thanks.

[Raiders Army]

Vote NTNDEACON

[CrimsonFox]

Dubb 1 - thomkal
NTN 6 - grammaticus, Danny, Commo, bhlloy, mauboy. j23
Mauboy 4 - hoops, chief rum, Eaglefan, mckerney
J23 7 - autumn, zinto, sndvls, saldana, jackal, CrimsonFox, Lathum
Bhlloy 1 - ntndeacon
Lathum 1 - narc
crimson fox 1 - mrbug

[Autumn]

When was the last time NTN was in thread? I don't have anything particular on J23, but at least he's had a chance to reveal. I would be a bit worried shifting it onto someone who has no idea they're even a candidate.

[CrimsonFox]

There, thanks raiders.

unvote j23
vote ntn

[Raiders Army]

With that, I'm out. Unfortunately I played CoH today a bit after getting home. I'll check in tomorrow morning and tomorrow during the day on my iPhone (although I can't wait until the iPhone 5 comes out!).

[CrimsonFox]

Dubb 1 - thomkal
NTN 8 - grammaticus, Danny, Commo, bhlloy, mauboy. j23, RaidersArmy, CF
Mauboy 4 - hoops, chief rum, Eaglefan, mckerney
J23 6 - autumn, zinto, sndvls, saldana, jackal, Lathum
Bhlloy 1 - ntndeacon
Lathum 1 - narc
crimson fox 1 - mrbug

[J23]

I think Ntn's last post in the thread was at 6:43 Autumn when he only had 1 vote at the time.

[CrimsonFox]

Comeone may want to verify this vote count really. It's been pieced together by 3-4 people along the way today.

[mauchow]

8 - ntn
6 - j23
4 - mau

[J23]

I should say 6:43PM EST to be more specific.

[CrimsonFox]

Actually I don't think Raiders necessary did that on my account. But turning a 7-7 tie into a buffer-zoned 8-6 feels good to me.

[dubb93]

Vote J23

NtN wolf or not should be able to play. We kill the poor guy off early every time.

[Autumn]

Unvote mau
Vote bhlloy

Since I need to go for the evening, I am changing to one of the now 3 leaders. (I am including Lathum as he isn't too far behind the leaders.) I assume there will be a bit more moving around before the end but that is it for me. Talk to y'all this evening!

In case anyone is interested, looks like NTN won't be back on.

[dubb93]

Someone please quickly give me the recap of the NtN argument.

[J23]

I don't think there's really an argument out there for either of us Dubb.

[Commo_Soldier]

The problem with waiting until almost deadline is that several other people are doing the same thing, and it often screws things up.

I stand by my action. If someone wants to tie it back up to create the confusion, that's more of a wolfish action than mine might be.

I agree, but since RA had just came back on I'd have given him a few minutes with it tied to decide. With how few wolfs there probably are in this game right now I don't see a wolf putting a vote on another wolf today, unless it is a late switch. Just thought it was strange to not see what RA would do first. I agree that we shouldn't all switch a minute or two before the deadline, was just saying there is still lots of time to switch.

[saldana]

can anyone give me any kind of explanation about where NTN came from as a candidate...this has been a rather bizarre run

[Commo_Soldier]

I voted NTN because I saw it as him possibly jumping on a bandwagon to ensure a wolf didn't get lynched.

[J23]

NtN wolf or not should be able to play. We kill the poor guy off early every time.

For what it's worth, I agree w/ this sentiment, which is why I avoided voting for him earlier.

That being said, I know I'm a villager, and I'm not sure he is, so I have a hard time letting myself get lynched for that reason alone.

[Autumn]

My impression was he was just another guy that had some votes that could be a contender once bhlloy was out of the running ( and since people seemed to feel better about Mauboy for some reason). I don't remember why he got any votes to begin with. But that's the case for just about everybody.

[dzilla77]

can anyone give me any kind of explanation about where NTN came from as a candidate...this has been a rather bizarre run

I put the first vote on him but had no real reason to (which I stated when I placed the vote).

Not sure why the rest of the run started.

[saldana]

so people felt good about mau, and people felt good about bholloy...bholloy revealed, so instead of going to mau, a whole boatload of people pulled NTN out of no where...i'll be back in a bit...need to go look up the definintion of "bandwagon"...i know i will be looking at the people that started that run tomorrow

[CrimsonFox]

Danny was the first to bring him up as a candidate and he seems pretty sure of himself for unknown reasons. Can't explain anyone else but my own. Danny might have some info but don't know. Maybe his pushing did it. bhlloy revealed so pile off of there. mauboy suddenly seemed a bad candidate but I think Danny started that ball rolling too. So j23 vs ntn and here we are.

SInce j23 is more vocal perhaps is why I like him staying at this point.

[saldana]

For what it's worth, I agree w/ this sentiment, which is why I avoided voting for him earlier.

That being said, I know I'm a villager, and I'm not sure he is, so I have a hard time letting myself get lynched for that reason alone.

so why not mau

[Abe Sargent]

Alright, I'm back from my meeting

[J23]

so why not mau

I did until the vote shifted, so I had to move it again to save myself from being lynched (or give myself the best shot at least).

[saldana]

really not liking a run on a guy that said he wouldnt be back before deadline...this just feels very wrong...i was already thinking that the ratio in this game would be different than others because of the chance that we can all resist the night kill...the fact that a run got put together that quickly really doesnt sit well with me

[Autumn]

Danny was the first to bring him up as a candidate and he seems pretty sure of himself for unknown reasons. Can't explain anyone else but my own. Danny might have some info but don't know. Maybe his pushing did it. bhlloy revealed so pile off of there. mauboy suddenly seemed a bad candidate but I think Danny started that ball rolling too. So j23 vs ntn and here we are.

SInce j23 is more vocal perhaps is why I like him staying at this point.

What about the possibility that NTN has a role? He said earlier today he wouldn't be on this evening, so can't quite fault him for being quiet.

I hate to defend anyone since if he's bad you'll all scowl at me. But i think it's bad practice to blindly lynch people who aren't around to reveal.

[CrimsonFox]

it's one vote a piece tho. We may have a double lynch on our hands.

[Autumn]

really not liking a run on a guy that said he wouldnt be back before deadline...this just feels very wrong...i was already thinking that the ratio in this game would be different than others because of the chance that we can all resist the night kill...the fact that a run got put together that quickly really doesnt sit well with me

Well, a run was pretty much inevitable when Bhlloy revealed. It was only a question of who it would be.

[Thomkal]

is it a tie?

[CrimsonFox]

i meant a one vote difference.

[Thomkal]

a double lynch might be good if one of them is a Servant

[Autumn]

8-7 NTN

I'll switch to give more space if no one else is moving.

[J23]

Ntn is up by a vote atm if the vote counts earlier were correct.

[Commo_Soldier]

I didn't know he wouldn't be back until now, reading his post though did leave room for him to come back by finishing with talk to you all this evening.

[CrimsonFox]

is it a tie?

no thom it isn't. I just meant if there is a double vote there somewhere we COULD have one.

[J23]

if you're moving, better do it now...

[mauchow]

I think it's 8-7

[Autumn]

<b>unvote j23
vote ntn</b>

[Abe Sargent]

time check

[Autumn]

Just in case we have a double voter on J23 or something like that. I think it's a bad idea to kill the absent guy, but I don't think a tie is better.

[Abe Sargent]

Time?

[Abe Sargent]

That is time folkses

[Abe Sargent]

Alright, let's see what we've got here, hmm

[mauchow]

Or is it?

[Commo_Soldier]

Unfortunately if he has a role we will find out, hopefully he will be one of the 20%, but this late run might have people not believing a reveal anyways. It is entirely possible we didn't have a wolf up as it was.

[CrimsonFox]

Usually the case, commo.

[Commo_Soldier]

I'm sure it is, that is why I didn't have a problem changing off of him at the last minute. If you are important you should try and find a way to at least check somewhat near deadline.

[Abe Sargent]

Can someone post the official vote count while I double check?

[Autumn]

I'm sure it is, that is why I didn't have a problem changing off of him at the last minute. If you are important you should try and find a way to at least check somewhat near deadline.

I feel differently day one, particularly, though. Not everyone can get on, the votes are so random you have no idea if yo'ure going to be in the running. I think it pays for the village to be careful not to kill off a role if they're just randomly voting anyway.

[Autumn]

Dubb - thomkal
NTN - grammaticus, danny, commo, bhlloy, mauboy, J23, RA, CF
Mauboy - hoops, chief rum, eF, mckerney
J23 - autumn, zinto, sndvls, saldana, jackal, Lathum, Dubb
Danny - EF
Bhlloy - ntndeacon
Lathum - narc
crimson fox - mrbug

[Commo_Soldier]

Dubb - thomkal
NTN - grammaticus, danny, commo, bhlloy, mauboy, J23, RA, CF
Mauboy - hoops, chief rum, eF, mckerney
J23 - autumn, zinto, sndvls, saldana, jackal, Lathum, Dubb
Danny - EF
Bhlloy - ntndeacon
Lathum - narc
crimson fox - mrbug

Should read as below as you switched at last minute.

Dubb - thomkal
NTN - grammaticus, danny, commo, bhlloy, mauboy, J23, RA, CF, autumn
Mauboy - hoops, chief rum, eF, mckerney
J23 - zinto, sndvls, saldana, jackal, Lathum, Dubb
Danny - EF
Bhlloy - ntndeacon
Lathum - narc
crimson fox - mrbug

[CrimsonFox]

Dubb 1 - thomkal
NTN 9 - grammaticus, Danny, Commo, bhlloy, mauboy. j23, RaidersArmy, CF, Autumn
Mauboy 4 - hoops, chief rum, Eaglefan, mckerney
J23 6 - zinto, sndvls, saldana, jackal, Lathum, dubb
Bhlloy 1 - ntndeacon
Lathum 1 - narc
crimson fox 1 - mrbug


this i think, but it isn't official. Only you can do that abe :)

[Abe Sargent]

Makes alot of sense. Unvote Bhlloy. I also believe the flame should not be used tonight it is better it goes unused because of a death or conversion, than a random stab. However, I think in a several days, maybe 4-6 when we have a better idea, that he use it, and tell us before hand, or be lynched to make sure he is who he is and or has not been converted.

Please don't put bold votes in the post, it makes it harder for me to find. Thanks!

[Autumn]

Should read as below as you switched at last minute.

Isn''t that particularly stupid of me. Yeah, I didn't log that one, lol.

[Commo_Soldier]

Please don't put bold votes in the post, it makes it harder for me to find. Thanks!

Yeah, sorry, I redid it to make sure you caught it after others suggested that.

[Abe Sargent]

As the day concludes, you meet by the shores of the famous Mississippi. After some discussion, you narrow the candidates down to two major ones, and despite the push and pull, ultimately you decide to select ntndeacon.

The Sacred Flame is ignited as a column brightly against the twilight sky. Prismatic flares seem to kiss the sky as the multivaried flames crackle with an odd spectral pop. You get the feeling that it is not quite there. Like most of it has manifested. But not all of it, as the spiritual part of the Sacred Flame keeps itself hidden away much like man's soul.

At first, ntndeacon is reluctant to move into the Flame, but the hypnotic swaying of the flame is too much and he moves into it. The Holy Fire envelops his body, baring forth his spirit. His body is destroyed, but with his spirit laid bare, you can tell, just before he departs this plane, that he was, in fact, a Servant of the Red Death!

You check his things and confiscate a Charm of Protection Against Detection as evidence. He appears to have been The Unhallowed, a Servant with some special abilities.

Congratulations are in order, and you celebrate your victory with drink and song, but it is hollow. You know that there must be more Servants than this.


Day One Has Ended. Night One Actions must be submitted by TWO AM EST.

[Autumn]

Wow, nice! lol

[Grammaticus]

Sweet

[Autumn]

Somebody can come out and say they had the best gut call ever or something, but it seems to me we just got very lucky. I was pushing not to lynch him, so I know I'll get the squinty eye for that, but I stand by the idea that it's not smart to lynch people who can't reveal.

[saldana]

alrighty then...i say we have an unobstructed run on whoever says they wont be around tomorrow too!

[J23]

Sweet. I guess he did have a role Autumn!

[Abe Sargent]

Because of your knowledge of the dark arts, you immediately recognize him. This was his role:


The Unhallowed – You are a former minister who has fallen and become a servant of the red death. You appear to be a minister in every normal way, and if followed at night by the Detective, he will see you studying the Bible and going to church. You may take kill or corrupt actions as your group sees fit.

[bhlloy]

well, that's a pretty sweet result

[saldana]

dola, am i missing it somewhere, or is there not a post describing the servant roles?

[Commo_Soldier]

Now do we think another wolf came to his support late.

[dzilla77]

Well, we got a servant, but that doesn't bode well for me.

[CrimsonFox]

AWESOME okay Danny spill it! I sense you knew something but wasn't sure, yet you pushesd for it TWICE. How did you KNOW that?

[mauchow]

I almost wanted to switch back to j23 because feeling guilty, but, hell yeah.

[Danny]

I'd like to say I an that good, but that was at least 90 percent luck, and maybe 100 percent. Either way, woot!

[Commo_Soldier]

Somebody can come out and say they had the best gut call ever or something, but it seems to me we just got very lucky. I was pushing not to lynch him, so I know I'll get the squinty eye for that, but I stand by the idea that it's not smart to lynch people who can't reveal.

That is part of the reason I thought he was a wolf. Try to get a bandwagon going on a villager to ensure a wolf survives and it is convenient for a wolf, in my eyes, to disappear as I stated an important villager should find a way to check at least to ensure they aren't killed holding key info.

[CrimsonFox]

Okay because it was your repeated pushes and the fact that J23 came back and started talking that made me switch for sure.

[Autumn]

I'd like to say I an that good, but that was at least 90 percent luck, and maybe 100 percent. Either way, woot!

What did you see tha tmade you suspect though? I can't imagine he posted enough to leave us much evidence, but it would be sweet if he did.

Clearly he was part of a gropu then. I suspect some may be lone wolves, but we can expect his mate(s) at least knew he was going down.

[Commo_Soldier]

AWESOME okay Danny spill it! I sense you knew something but wasn't sure, yet you pushesd for it TWICE. How did you KNOW that?

Being somewhat new to this, are there any actions that you can do during that day that would give someone to know this, other than them fake revealing?

[mckerney]

Nice.

[Autumn]

thomkal votes dubb 83
dzilla votes ntn 84
ntn votes mauboy 88
narc votes mrbug 105
autumn votes J23 116
EF votes danny 117
jackal votes danny 123
bhlloy votes dubb 125
commo votes bhlloy 127
hoops votes mauboy 129
sndvls votes jackal 141
lathum votes danny 142
narc unvotes mrbug 154
narc votes jackal 154
mauboy votes lathum 164
narc unvotes jackal 167
narc votes lathum 167
dubb votes lathum 170
saldana votes dubb 171
saldana unvotes dubb 173
zinto votes J23 178
jackal unvotes danny 199
jackal votes bhlloy 199
J23 votes bhlloy 212
Sndvls unvotes Jackal 213
mckerney votes bhlloy 222
Sndvls votes J23 225
CF votes mauboy 233
grammaticus votes ntn 236
saldana votes J23 242
mrbug votes CF 244
ntn unvotes mauboy 248
ntn votes bhlloy 248
dubb unvotes lathum 249
dubb votes bhlloy 249
mauboy unvotes lathum 250
mauboy votes dubb 250
chief rum votes mauboy 254
((bhlloy reveals as keeper)) 275
bhlloy unvotes dubb 275
bhlloy votes mauboy 275
jackal unvotes bhlloy 281
jackal votes mauboy 283
ef unvotes danny 287
ef votes mauboy 287
jackal unvotes mauboy 296
jackal votes J23 296
danny votes ntn 297
CF unvotes mauboy 306
CF votes J23 306
Lahtum unvotes danny 310
lathum votes J23 310
commo unvotes bhlloy 318
mckerney unvotes bhlloy 329
mckerney votes mauboy 329
commo votes ntn 334
J23 unvotes bhalloy 352
J23 votes mauboy 354
bhlloy unvotes mauboy 357
bhlloy votes ntn 357
mauboy unvotes dubb 361
mauboy votes ntn 361
j23 unvotes mauboy 364
j23 votes ntn 364
dzilla unvotes ntn 377
dubb unvotes bhlloy 386
RA votes ntn 390
CF unvotes J23 393
CF votes ntn 393
dubb votes J23 400
autumn unvotes J23
autumn votes ntn

[bhlloy]

dzilla's vote on J23 looks very very bad, knowing that there was all that time to untie it. That really smells like a wolf putting a wolf forward and then panicking and realizing he's put his teammate in danger and trying to justify moving his vote off. I've fallen victim to that before and I've seen it happen a few more times as well.

[CrimsonFox]

Well I think Danny is definitely villager now.
I would HOPE I am clear now too for that. Autumn I think. And Raiders.

There MIGHT be a wolf on ntn down there hoping for some later trust and now kicking himself.

[Autumn]

Given how routinely wolves lay a wolf-wolf vote early in games nowadays, I don't think this says anything for Mauboy. It would look good for bhlloy if we didn't already know about him ;-)

[bhlloy]

sorry, I meant dzilla's vote off ntn, although knowing he didn't actually put the vote on anybody else after that is also pretty bad looking.

[CrimsonFox]

Being somewhat new to this, are there any actions that you can do during that day that would give someone to know this, other than them fake revealing?

NOt really. Scans like that are typically NOT day actions or anytime actions. Usually it's finding out something after lynch deadline and finding comething out after night deadline. Almost NEVER just arbitrarily during the middle of the day. BUt this is a game with lots of items and extra rules, so there is no telling what is in there.

[Danny]

I don't think anyone is ever clear. I think it's clear I was a villager today, but i or you could just as easily be a wolf tomorrow

[dzilla77]

dzilla's vote on J23 looks very very bad, knowing that there was all that time to untie it. That really smells like a wolf putting a wolf forward and then panicking and realizing he's put his teammate in danger and trying to justify moving his vote off. I've fallen victim to that before and I've seen it happen a few more times as well.

Just to be clear I unvoted ntn, but did not vote J23. I did not vote anybody.

And yes, while it does make me look bad, I am emphatically not a wolf. If I was, I would have voted J23 to make it much more difficult to lynch ntn.

[Autumn]

Just to be clear I unvoted ntn, but did not vote J23. I did not vote anybody.

And yes, while it does make me look bad, I am emphatically not a wolf. If I was, I would have voted J23 to make it much more difficult to lynch ntn.

Unless J23 is a wolf too ;-)

[Commo_Soldier]

I don't think anyone is ever clear. I think it's clear I was a villager today, but i or you could just as easily be a wolf tomorrow

This, especially when it seems we may be having one, possibly more worst case, switching over a night. That said who ever can convert people back should be focusing on the villagers today in the future.

[bhlloy]

I put the first vote on him but had no real reason to (which I stated when I placed the vote).

Not sure why the rest of the run started.

This just looks so terrible, given the context. You have to at least see that, no?

Sal and Dubb are the other two doing some subtle hinting/asking why we are putting ntn forward as a candidate late on when there were still enough votes to switch to J23. If I'm a wolf, that's exactly how I'm playing it.

I think our list of candidates tomorrow has to start there. I'm also somewhat interested in grammaticus who potentially put a trust vote on ntn when he was in very little danger and then didn't check in for the rest of the day.

[Danny]

NOt really. Scans like that are typically NOT day actions or anytime actions. Usually it's finding out something after lynch deadline and finding comething out after night deadline. Almost NEVER just arbitrarily during the middle of the day. BUt this is a game with lots of items and extra rules, so there is no telling what is in there.

Does using my brilliant mind count? :p

[dubb93]

Bholly, if I was a wolf I would have nailed NtN to the cross. I expect the surviving wolf/wolves did exactly that. No chance I miss that opportunity to join the COT. If I'm a wolf then I am playing the Danny role today.

[Grammaticus]

I've been here most of the evening.

[mauchow]

Given how routinely wolves lay a wolf-wolf vote early in games nowadays, I don't think this says anything for Mauboy. It would look good for bhlloy if we didn't already know about him ;-)

I swear, every single time I put a somewhat late vote on a wolf it always ends up "not saying anything about me.." to some people.

I agree to a point - but my vote was mostly self defense - If I voted for j23 I would have possibly created a scenario in which people continue to vote for me and make it me vs J23. I somewhat helped manipulate the vote so that ntn's name stayed out there a bit longer, which in the end, did help the vote.

[Commo_Soldier]

Some interesting posts before the deadline.



After moving off of Bhlloy
Vote J23

NtN wolf or not should be able to play. We kill the poor guy off early every time.


Seems like he was really pushing us away, the question is does a wolf make it so obvious?
can anyone give me any kind of explanation about where NTN came from as a candidate...this has been a rather bizarre run

so people felt good about mau, and people felt good about bholloy...bholloy revealed, so instead of going to mau, a whole boatload of people pulled NTN out of no where...i'll be back in a bit...need to go look up the definintion of "bandwagon"...i know i will be looking at the people that started that run tomorrow

so why not mau

really not liking a run on a guy that said he wouldnt be back before deadline...this just feels very wrong...i was already thinking that the ratio in this game would be different than others because of the chance that we can all resist the night kill...the fact that a run got put together that quickly really doesnt sit well with me

[CrimsonFox]

This, especially when it seems we may be having one, possibly more worst case, switching over a night. That said who ever can convert people back should be focusing on the villagers today in the future.

excellent points.
Tomorrow I think I'd rather lay off the ntn voters and concentrate on the rest. This is important info to keep track of for sure. Love the converting people back idea. Forgot we had one of those. (that too lazy to read the rules thing again)

[dubb93]

But all that being the case if it is going to be me-sal tomorrow then the line to vote him starts right behind me.

[dzilla77]

This just looks so terrible, given the context. You have to at least see that, no?

Sal and Dubb are the other two doing some subtle hinting/asking why we are putting ntn forward as a candidate late on when there were still enough votes to switch to J23. If I'm a wolf, that's exactly how I'm playing it.

I think our list of candidates tomorrow has to start there. I'm also somewhat interested in grammaticus who potentially put a trust vote on ntn when he was in very little danger and then didn't check in for the rest of the day.

I do see it and admitted it as such. As lucky as it was to get ntn, it was equally as unlucky for me to vote him and then switch off.

Again, you can lynch me, but you will be getting a villager.

[Autumn]

I swear, every single time I put a somewhat late vote on a wolf it always ends up "not saying anything about me.." to some people.

I agree to a point - but my vote was mostly self defense - If I voted for j23 I would have possibly created a scenario in which people continue to vote for me and make it me vs J23. I somewhat helped manipulate the vote so that ntn's name stayed out there a bit longer, which in the end, did help the vote.

Sorry, I was referring to NTN's vote on you early in the day.

[dubb93]

Keep in mind the wolves knew NtN was a wolf and had the opportunity to manipulate that and get a good vote in. I think giving them a pass tomorrow is a poor play since I not only suspect there were wolves in that run but I also suspect the conversion, if there is one, will be coming from that pool.

[mauchow]

oic, I should have read more closely. :)

[hoopsguy]

Sure looks to me like we got the cunning, so I would expect that the late votes putting him in harms way are pretty good indicators of Lightbringers.

[Thomkal]

wow that was quite lucky for us-given that the odds were so much against us getting a Servant on Day 1. I think they definitely will try to convert a replacement tonight, probably from the ntndeacon voters, so we should keep that in mind going forward.

[Commo_Soldier]

Keep in mind the wolves knew NtN was a wolf and had the opportunity to manipulate that and get a good vote in. I think giving them a pass tomorrow is a poor play since I not only suspect there were wolves in that run but I also suspect the conversion, if there is one, will be coming from that pool.

I'm not so sure about this though. The run started kind of late and happened extremely quick. If anyone switched to NTN and was a wolf the only person I'd suspect is Autumn.

[Grammaticus]

Agree, dzilla and autumn are the most suspicious based on vote activity. Of course there are other things to look at too.

[J23]

Bholly, if I was a wolf I would have nailed NtN to the cross. I expect the surviving wolf/wolves did exactly that. No chance I miss that opportunity to join the COT. If I'm a wolf then I am playing the Danny role today.

I'm not sure you play the Danny role given that the village knows there's a high chance of conversion. Especially putting your cunning out there.

[dzilla77]

Keep in mind the wolves knew NtN was a wolf and had the opportunity to manipulate that and get a good vote in. I think giving them a pass tomorrow is a poor play since I not only suspect there were wolves in that run but I also suspect the conversion, if there is one, will be coming from that pool.

Not all wolves may have been able to communicate with each other or possibly even know of the others existence.

[dubb93]

I'm not sure you play the Danny role given that the village knows there's a high chance of conversion. Especially putting your cunning out there.

I made the late switch to kill Sndvls, the cunning, in the HP game. Had I not switched he wouldn't thane been lynched. I switched minutes before the deadline. Everyone said "no way a wolf would so that to the cunning.". Another wolf didn't die in a Saldana hosted game for like 3 more freakin games. So yes I would have played Danny.

Don't lynch me for b/c you think I am a crappy wolf. I have never been such a thing.

[dubb93]

Not all wolves may have been able to communicate with each other or possibly even know of the others existence.

If that is the case then you are aguing we should just throw the vote record completely out? No thanks.

[Autumn]

Agree, dzilla and autumn are the most suspicious based on vote activity. Of course there are other things to look at too.

It's perfectly valid, certainly my vote was the classic meaningless pile on at the last second.

However ... in all honesty if I was a wolf I'd stay right where I was, which I wouldn't have caught flak for, and hope against all hope that someone screws up and ties things. There would have been a decent chance of that, and I wouldn't have moved and ruined that.

[Autumn]

If that is the case then you are aguing we should just throw the vote record completely out? No thanks.

I don't think that's what he's arguing, but certainly we have to keep it in perspective. For all we know he had one wolf mate, who wasn't even on tonight. We don't want to put blinders on.

[dubb93]

FWIW I read NtN as only being able to fool the detective, who would only catch him on the night he made a kill anyway. Not sure I would call that "cunning."

[Zinto]

Six pages of stuff to read when I get home is crazy. Even more crazy that we got a wolf on day one.

[dzilla77]

If that is the case then you are aguing we should just throw the vote record completely out? No thanks.

If (when?) I am lynched tomorrow, you will be throwing out the voting records, because I am villager.

Anyhow, going to bed. I am sure I will wake to several votes tomorrow. So be it.