WW CXXXIX - The Red Death II - GAME OVER, SERVANTS WIN

[Danny]

Unvote Mr. Bug
Vote Mckerney

[Danny]

haha, ill go back for now then

unvote Mckerney
vote mr. bug

[dzilla77]

And the pile on has started. While I am the easy choice, I am a roled villager - the Exorcist. Unfortunately, unless someone is known to be possessed, I can't prove it.

However, the cleansing flame with prove my innocence.

[Danny]

Damn, i had a feeling you were roled.

[Autumn]

My fav pizza for delivery is hussans


Husson's Pizza - Great Pizza - 10 Great Locations - Charleston - Huntington - WV (http://hussonspizza.com/)

You guys are killing me, now I want pizza.

[Commo_Soldier]

To get it a little less of a runaway since I don't mind voting for either.
dz
mckerney

[Danny]

The exorcist is a very important role, so barring any counter reveal, he should be unvoted and protected tonight.

[MrBug708]

Vote - McKerney

[saldana]

unless someone can counter that no reason not to believe it at this point so i will go back to where i wanted to start the day with.


unvote dzilla
vote the jackal

[Danny]

To get it a little less of a runaway since I don't mind voting for either.
dz
mckerney

You need the words vote and unvote in there.

[Autumn]

That's not going to count, commo

[MrBug708]

haha, ill go back for now then

unvote Mckerney
vote mr. bug

Just waiting on the undead hand to smack you

[dubb93]

I must have misread his comment. Still voting for you though, something doesn't sit right with me about your knee jerk reaction to immedeatly vote me back

That's fine. We can play this out. I will stay the same as well. Between your vote with no reasoning yesterday, your cryptic roled comments yesterday(yet here you still are), and your refusal to admit you were wrong today I would say you are as good a candidate as any today as well.

[The Jackal]

unvote dzilla
vote bug

[mckerney]

You guys are killing me, now I want pizza.

After reading the last couple pages I want to eat pizza while playing Star Trek: Fleet Captains.

[Commo_Soldier]

unvote dz
Vote mckerney

[dubb93]

People need to go back and search the thread for Lathum. If I had more time I would quote them all and post them. Something doesn't add up with this guy so far.

[The Jackal]

unvote bug
vote lathum

[Danny]

People need to go back and search the thread for Lathum. If I had more time I would quote them all and post them. Something doesn't add up with this guy so far.

Some odd play I agree. I am considering a switch.

[MrBug708]

I dont think I've ever had so many unvotes before

[mckerney]

Well then.

Unvote dzilla
Vote MrBug708

For a new defensive vote I may as well go with my belief that someone who votes for me must be a wolf.

[Danny]

unvote Mr. Bug
Vote Lathum

[Commo_Soldier]

That's not going to count, commo

Yeah, hate posting from phone. Wish I would have posted that a little sooner after seeing the reveal.

[Autumn]

You guys are making me regret keeping a vote history.

[Autumn]

dzilla - grammaticus, sndvls, RA
saldana - EF
dubb - lathum, mauboy
mauboy -
autumn -
mckerney - narcizo, autumn, hoops, mrbug, commo
jackal - saldana
lathum - dubb, jackal, danny
mrbug - CF, mckerney

[Autumn]

I wish Lathum were here. A Dubb/Lathum head to head would be awesome.

I don't really see what you guys are chasing there though, I'm surprised you're following Danny. Hasn't Lathum played like this in every game for the past year? Amused, nonsensical comments, trolling like he's a wolf, refusing to give explanations?

[Danny]

I wish Lathum were here. A Dubb/Lathum head to head would be awesome.

I don't really see what you guys are chasing there though, I'm surprised you're following Danny. Hasn't Lathum played like this in every game for the past year? Amused, nonsensical comments, trolling like he's a wolf, refusing to give explanations?

Yes, and in at least one of those games he was a wolf and won because of it.

[Danny]

I like Mckerney as a candidate FWIW, but we need multiple candidates.

[Grammaticus]

Exorcist, Huh?

Unvote dzilla

Vote Atumn

[Autumn]

Another place I like to keep a hairy eyeball is in the first few people who move off a person after reveal. I know as a wolf you don't want to look like you were reluctant to move off a roled villager, so I think wolves tend to be among the first to jump ship. in this case, Saldana, Jackal and Commo were the first off, just for posterity's sake.

[Danny]

hairy eyeball? dont wolves have hairy eye balls?

[mauchow]

unvote dzilla.. oh, snap! Don't need to.

I'm sticking with Dubb for the moment.

[mauchow]

hairy eyeball? dont wolves have hairy eye balls?

Good catch!

[Autumn]

hairy eyeball? dont wolves have hairy balls?

Fixed that for ya.

[saldana]

Another place I like to keep a hairy eyeball is in the first few people who move off a person after reveal. I know as a wolf you don't want to look like you were reluctant to move off a roled villager, so I think wolves tend to be among the first to jump ship. in this case, Saldana, Jackal and Commo were the first off, just for posterity's sake.

that is a horrible assumption...the only thing that it means is that I was in the thread when he made the reveal and was able to make the change

[Autumn]

that is a horrible assumption...the only thing that it means is that I was in the thread when he made the reveal and was able to make the change

It's not an assumption, it's just a possible place to look for wolves. Obviously timing, when people are in thread, whether their vote is on that person, all play into it.

[Danny]

that is a horrible assumption...the only thing that it means is that I was in the thread when he made the reveal and was able to make the change

I agree

[Grammaticus]

Just reading up on the Exorcist, is being possessed different from being corrupted?

[SnDvls]

Unvote dzilla
Vote saldana

[dzilla77]

I gotta go with mckerney just to protect myself

vote mckerney

[dzilla77]

Just reading up on the Exorcist, is being possessed different from being corrupted?

Yes, as far as I understand it.

[CrimsonFox]

Damn, i had a feeling you were roled.

i had a HUGE feeling he was to. I especially didn't think he was a wolf the way he acted.

[SnDvls]

that is a horrible assumption...the only thing that it means is that I was in the thread when he made the reveal and was able to make the change

I too agree bad reasoning Autumn

[Raiders Army]

UNVOTE DZILLA
VOTE LATHUM

[Grammaticus]

dzilla, if you are roled, why would you draw so much attention to yourself by moving off on the tie so early?

[CrimsonFox]

i won't be satisfied until danny switches his vote 5 times on one page.

[SnDvls]

My spreadsheet is at work anyone with a vote count breakdown now?

[dzilla77]

dzilla, if you are roled, why would you draw so much attention to yourself by moving off on the tie so early?

Cause I didn't think ntn was a wolf and I don't like doing things at the very end.

[Autumn]

I too agree bad reasoning Autumn

I think you guys are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying those people are wolves, or that they have to be wolves. I'm saying, just like we look at say second voters early in a day, or last minute switches, looking at the first movers after a reveal can be illuminating. That's all. I like to keep track of who it is, as it can be one more piece in the pile of circumstantial evidence.

[Danny]

i won't be satisfied until danny switches his vote 5 times on one page.

I am strongly considering a switch back to Autumn

[Autumn]

dzilla -
saldana - EF, sndvls
dubb - lathum, mauboy
mauboy -
autumn - grammaticus
mckerney - narcizo, autumn, hoops, mrbug, commo, dzilla
jackal - saldana
lathum - dubb, jackal, danny, RA
mrbug - CF, mckerney

[Raiders Army]

FWIW, we do have a 20% chance that the lightbringer will not die if cleansed. :)

[dubb93]

dzilla, if you are roled, why would you draw so much attention to yourself by moving off on the tie so early?

FWIW that is exactly where I like to play when I am roled. My reasoning is it makes me extremely unlikely to be NK'ed and I can always reveal to avoid a lynch.

[Danny]

I think you guys are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying those people are wolves, or that they have to be wolves. I'm saying, just like we look at say second voters early in a day, or last minute switches, looking at the first movers after a reveal can be illuminating. That's all. I like to keep track of who it is, as it can be one more piece in the pile of circumstantial evidence.

I still completely disagree. I think it simply shows who was reading the thread first. My vote wasn't on Dzilla, but if it was I would have switched off ASAP after his reveal if it was.

[Autumn]

I am strongly considering a switch back to Autumn

lol, this isn't old enough news for you? Every game I make a bunch of thoughts out loud about what might or might not be wolf behavior, then people start jumping on me for thinking out loud. I could write a script to play WW for me.

[dubb93]

I still completely disagree. I think it simply shows who was reading the thread first. My vote wasn't on Dzilla, but if it was I would have switched off ASAP after his reveal if it was.

Yup. A wolf will always be caught in that lie eventually. Unless it is on the verge of the deadline you move your vote. You move your vote regardless on D1. No way the wolf who fake reveals on D1 makes it to the end of the game.

[SnDvls]

I think you guys are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying those people are wolves, or that they have to be wolves. I'm saying, just like we look at say second voters early in a day, or last minute switches, looking at the first movers after a reveal can be illuminating. That's all. I like to keep track of who it is, as it can be one more piece in the pile of circumstantial evidence.

I look at it as someone who was caught up in the thread. I was a whole page behind when the reveal happened but invoted right away then finished reading so I guess just because I was behind I get a pass then?

[dubb93]

lol, this isn't old enough news for you? Every game I make a bunch of thoughts out loud about what might or might not be wolf behavior, then people start jumping on me for thinking out loud. I could write a script to play WW for me.

Hey, I think I was in this script last game.

[mauchow]

unvote dubbs


Not sure I'm going to hop on the autumn bandwagon at the moment... I think the logic sounded better at first but now he's just trying to backpedal a little.

[Autumn]

I still completely disagree. I think it simply shows who was reading the thread first. My vote wasn't on Dzilla, but if it was I would have switched off ASAP after his reveal if it was.

In a world with only villagers, it would show that absolutely. In a world with wolves, it is also slightly skewed by the needs of the wolves to look like good villagers. A good villager is one who makes sure roled villagers don't get killed, ASAP. So among good villagers, villagers who are in thread at the time, early moves will usually also include wolves who are in thread at the time. A wolf is never going to hang around in thread and not move off a reveal, is basically my point.

[Grammaticus]

FWIW that is exactly where I like to play when I am roled. My reasoning is it makes me extremely unlikely to be NK'ed and I can always reveal to avoid a lynch.

I think you are a pretty risky player and I guess that is one of the reasons you are pretty good at subversion. But most people with a powerful role like that try not to pull attention on them. Unless they are just like that in general.

[CrimsonFox]

dzilla, if you are roled, why would you draw so much attention to yourself by moving off on the tie so early?

well in his defense he did not know ntn was a wolf. how could he? As for moving off a tie, I see nothing wrong with that. That was just unlucky it came up like that.

[Autumn]

Hey, I think I was in this script last game.

How does it feel to know you were playing against a bot?

[CrimsonFox]

Just waiting on the undead hand to smack you

is it YOUR undead hand? HmmmmMMMMM?

[CrimsonFox]

How does it feel to know you were playing against a bot?

so autumn, when you move do the 47 other bots all move the same direction?

[Grammaticus]

well in his defense he did not know ntn was a wolf. how could he? As for moving off a tie, I see nothing wrong with that. That was just unlucky it came up like that.

I guess if he was a wolf also. That is the whole point. Now with the reveal, not so much.

[Autumn]

I've considered in the past doing a "FOFC Werewolf" Werewolf game, where the roles are all people who play here. Clearly my ability would be to spout nonsense and distract the village.

[CrimsonFox]

But that's the whole point. He isn't a wolf. And you're asking him now after knowing that is all. :)

[saldana]

In a world with only villagers, it would show that absolutely. In a world with wolves, it is also slightly skewed by the needs of the wolves to look like good villagers. A good villager is one who makes sure roled villagers don't get killed, ASAP. So among good villagers, villagers who are in thread at the time, early moves will usually also include wolves who are in thread at the time. A wolf is never going to hang around in thread and not move off a reveal, is basically my point.

neither is a villager!

[CrimsonFox]

I've considered in the past doing a "FOFC Werewolf" Werewolf game, where the roles are all people who play here. Clearly my ability would be to spout nonsense and distract the village.

And don't forget the rule: If Crimson Fox is in the game, he MUST vote for you.

unvote Bug
vote Autumn

[Grammaticus]

Yeah, I don't really know anything about his style, so thinking things through.

[saldana]

I've considered in the past doing a "FOFC Werewolf" Werewolf game, where the roles are all people who play here. Clearly my ability would be to spout nonsense and distract the village.

OOC, i already own the rights to this idea...there is a thread somewhere where i just randomly start posting the role descriptions...it was pretty funny if i may say so myself.

[hoopsguy]

I actually side with Autumn on his "wolves move off faster" because they are playing with complete info in terms of wolf/villager and thus are more rapid to "believe" a reveal. Villagers, who don't know anything basically, are more likely to question in thread or digest the reveal internally before moving off the player.

Certainly not 100% true, but I think there is something to what Autumn suggested.

And, if I was a cruel man, I would now move my vote to Autumn just to jerk his chain a little bit.

[dubb93]

I think some people who are doing a bunch of analysis need to tune it to day 2. We have a bunch of good analysis so far but it is more geared for the back half of the game. Alot of the moves people are being fingered as wolves for simply don't work on D1. You may expect a wolf to make that move on D4/5/6+, but keep in mind yesterday was D1 and we are running under the theory there were only 2 wolves and multiple chances @ conversions.

Think about it like this. Do you link yourself to that wolf on D1? If not what do you do? I burn him. I distance myself from him as much as possible. On D4/5/6/7 do I do this? Maybe, probably not so much. But yesterday was D1. As a village we need to put this all in perspective.

[Autumn]

OOC, i already own the rights to this idea...there is a thread somewhere where i just randomly start posting the role descriptions...it was pretty funny if i may say so myself.

You can send the fine to my address.

[dubb93]

I think some people who are doing a bunch of analysis need to tune it to day 2. We have a bunch of good analysis so far but it is more geared for the back half of the game. Alot of the moves people are being fingered as wolves for simply don't work on D1. You may expect a wolf to make that move on D4/5/6+, but keep in mind yesterday was D1 and we are running under the theory there were only 2 wolves and multiple chances @ conversions.

Think about it like this. Do you link yourself to that wolf on D1? If not what do you do? I burn him. I distance myself from him as much as possible. On D4/5/6/7 do I do this? Maybe, probably not so much. But yesterday was D1. As a village we need to put this all in perspective.

Sitting back and doing nothing would be a good alternative to burning him as well. I think anyone voting for someone who they think attempted to protect NtN yesterday needs to put the reasons why they are making that vote into the above perspective. Would you have made that move on D1 with only 2 wolves and multiple chances @ conversion going forward?

[Autumn]

I actually side with Autumn on his "wolves move off faster" because they are playing with complete info in terms of wolf/villager and thus are more rapid to "believe" a reveal. Villagers, who don't know anything basically, are more likely to question in thread or digest the reveal internally before moving off the player.

Certainly not 100% true, but I think there is something to what Autumn suggested.

And, if I was a cruel man, I would now move my vote to Autumn just to jerk his chain a little bit.

Thanks for getting what I mean. Yes, a villager might chew over a reveal, try to decide if it's fake. A wolf doesn't generally dare do that.

[CrimsonFox]

Incidently dubb, I am not running under the assumption that there were only 2 wolves at the start.

[Autumn]

Sitting back and doing nothing would be a good alternative to burning him as well. I think anyone voting for someone who they think attempted to protect NtN yesterday needs to put the reasons why they are making that vote into the above perspective. Would you have made that move on D1 with only 2 wolves and multiple chances @ conversion going forward?

Well, the alternative is to pick from the 20 other people who did nothing related to the lynching of NTN? I agree, percentages say the other wolves weren't really involved in it, but then that gives us absolutely nothing to base a vote on.

[dubb93]

Incidently dubb, I am not running under the assumption that there were only 2 wolves at the start.

Well that would be a change from last time. Incidentally last game was heading towards a wolf victory and Abe seems to have gimped the villager a little more this time than last(can't item pass to roles).

Talking about game balance/mechanics here. The game was won by the wolves up to the point where it was blown up. We can also see in the rules the village had powers taken away from it. While it is possible the wolves were given greater numbers here I doubt it. I would guess that the wolves were infact down graded is powers as well. Most likely conversion mechanics.

[dubb93]

Well, the alternative is to pick from the 20 other people who did nothing related to the lynching of NTN? I agree, percentages say the other wolves weren't really involved in it, but then that gives us absolutely nothing to base a vote on.

Well at the end of the day you can either play the percentages or vote based on gut. I do a little bit of both and as you have admitted you can't be doing both right now if.......

[Autumn]

Well that would be a change from last time. Incidentally last game was heading towards a wolf victory and Abe seems to have gimped the villager a little more this time than last(can't item pass to roles).

Talking about game balance/mechanics here. The game was won by the wolves up to the point where it was blown up. We can also see in the rules the village had powers taken away from it. While it is possible the wolves were given greater numbers here I doubt it. I would guess that the wolves were infact down graded is powers as well. Most likely conversion mechanics.

I think there are more villager roles, no?

[CrimsonFox]

I actually side with Autumn on his "wolves move off faster" because they are playing with complete info in terms of wolf/villager and thus are more rapid to "believe" a reveal. Villagers, who don't know anything basically, are more likely to question in thread or digest the reveal internally before moving off the player.

Certainly not 100% true, but I think there is something to what Autumn suggested.

And, if I was a cruel man, I would now move my vote to Autumn just to jerk his chain a little bit.

I do think, however, that there are many players that are more laid back about this and just don't work that way. Just sit there and digest info or log in and forget they are logged in or just don't want to move until they know where they want to go. I don't understand it either but I've seen people not act and not post for many reasons.

[dubb93]

I think there are more villager roles, no?

By 2 but I'm pretty sure The Tinkerer was a private role last time around. The Lifegiver is powerful however.

[CrimsonFox]

Thanks for getting what I mean. Yes, a villager might chew over a reveal, try to decide if it's fake. A wolf doesn't generally dare do that.


Why do you keep hinting that you are a wolf? :)
Every page you have a post that has a word in it related to eating. :)

Or are you just hungry...

[mckerney]

I'm the martyr so I guess it's my role to die rather that someone with an important role so it's not too bad if the vote holds and I'm lynched here. I would rather we find a wolf today though.

[CrimsonFox]

Can the lifegiver resurrect a roled player? I'm sure they probably could.

[Autumn]

Why do you keep hinting that you are a wolf? :)
Every page you have a post that has a word in it related to eating. :)

Or are you just hungry...

lol, I didn't even do that on purpose. I was afraid to say something about the chain knowing you'd jump on it too!

I am hungry. I just ate an apple.

[CrimsonFox]

I'm the martyr so I guess it's my role to die rather that someone with an important role so it's not too bad if the vote holds and I'm lynched here. I would rather we find a wolf today though.

Well currently you are doing your job. Ha haaaaaaaaaaa ...is this thing on?...

[dubb93]

Can the lifegiver resurrect a roled player? I'm sure they probably could.

I'm basically 100% positive he can.

[CrimsonFox]

unvote autumn

That vote was a joke post anyway but I'm rethinking. Maybe everyone should reveal and then we can vote.

[Lathum]

I must have misread his comment. Still voting for you though, something doesn't sit right with me about your knee jerk reaction to immedeatly vote me back

That's fine. We can play this out. I will stay the same as well. Between your vote with no reasoning yesterday, your cryptic roled comments yesterday(yet here you still are), and your refusal to admit you were wrong today I would say you are as good a candidate as any today as well.

Werewolf should be a study in how people see the things they want to see. I clearly admitted I misread hoops comments, yet Dubb claims I didn't.

Just in case I wasn't clear enough though...


Dear Dubb

I fully admit I was incorrect in my reading of and subsequent agreement of Hoopguys comments. I apologize for any inconvenience it may have caused. See the thing is work has been very busy lately and I can often only skim over threads. I work for an insurance company and there has been a lot of rain in the Seattle area, so I must dedicate more time to my tasks at work and less time to werewolf. It has made me a far less attentive player, but unfortunately sacrifices must be made. I am truly sorry and as soon as my son goes to bed tonight and my wife gets home ( she has a late work meeting) I will head to the nearest chapel to confess my wrong doings, don't worry, I will probably only have to say ten hail marys and a few our fathers. I hope that will suffice as to me admitting just how very wrong I was, and again, my sincerest apologies for not properly addressing this sooner.

Sincerely

Lathum

[Autumn]

Damn, we're turning up roles left and right.

And just so people can amuse themselves by beating me with my own words...

<b>unvote mckerney
vote the jackal</b>

[CrimsonFox]

LOL lathum that is awesome.

[CrimsonFox]

Thank you autumn, you were being timed! :)

[Autumn]

Werewolf should be a study in how people see the things they want to see. I clearly admitted I misread hoops comments, yet Dubb claims I didn't.

Just in case I wasn't clear enough though...


Dear Dubb

I fully admit I was incorrect in my reading of and subsequent agreement of Hoopguys comments. I apologize for any inconvenience it may have caused. See the thing is work has been very busy lately and I can often only skim over threads. I work for an insurance company and there has been a lot of rain in the Seattle area, so I must dedicate more time to my tasks at work and less time to werewolf. It has made me a far less attentive player, but unfortunately sacrifices must be made. I am truly sorry and as soon as my son goes to bed tonight and my wife gets home ( she has a late work meeting) I will head to the nearest chapel to confess my wrong doings, don't worry, I will probably only have to say ten hail marys and a few our fathers. I hope that will suffice as to me admitting just how very wrong I was, and again, my sincerest apologies for not properly addressing this sooner.

Sincerely

Lathum

This is 100% different than I imagined my Dubb/Lathum showdown, but it is also the best thing ever.

[dubb93]

I refuse to accept apologies.

[Autumn]

I'm moving to Jackal just because he was the other person on my list that has any votes. I don't really have a lot of time to ponder it right now, but hoefully will.

[Autumn]

I refuse to accept apologies.

This however, I totally expected. ;-)

[hoopsguy]

I refuse to accept apologies.

This is closer to what I expected to see if a Lathum/Dubb showdown came to pass :)

[mauchow]

That leaves Saldana for me.

vote saldana

[Autumn]

jinx

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, we sure seem to be doing a good job of finding roled Lightbringers after everyone and their moms were vanilla on Day 1.

[Autumn]

dzilla -
saldana - EF, sndvls, mauboy
dubb - lathum
mauboy -
autumn - grammaticus
mckerney - narcizo, hoops, mrbug, commo, dzilla
jackal - saldana, autumn
lathum - dubb, jackal, danny, RA
mrbug - CF, mckerney

[mauchow]

I'm going to be leaving shortly to head to the bar before the flag fb game - I will check on phone while drinking the beers.

[Autumn]

Hmm, we sure seem to be doing a good job of finding roled Lightbringers after everyone and their moms were vanilla on Day 1.

Insert "your mom" joke here.

[mauchow]

dzilla -
saldana - EF, sndvls, mauboy
dubb - lathum
mauboy -
autumn - grammaticus
mckerney - narcizo, hoops, mrbug, commo, dzilla
jackal - saldana, autumn
lathum - dubb, jackal, danny, RA
mrbug - CF, mckerney

I see what you did. You left my name in there!!! SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES~!!!1

[EagleFan]

Why do I suddenly feel like I should vote for mau?

[Lathum]

vote count?

[Lathum]

unvote Dubb
Vote Saldana

[CrimsonFox]

hmmm going back here I guess

VOTE Saldana

[dubb93]

Why do I suddenly feel like I should vote for mau?

I'm getting that feeling too. :eek:

[Commo_Soldier]

Another place I like to keep a hairy eyeball is in the first few people who move off a person after reveal. I know as a wolf you don't want to look like you were reluctant to move off a roled villager, so I think wolves tend to be among the first to jump ship. in this case, Saldana, Jackal and Commo were the first off, just for posterity's sake.

Just to note, when I attempted to move, he hadn't yet revealed.

[hoopsguy]

I see nothing in the rules indicating that Servants will know which roles are in/out of the game. With that in mind, I'm more inclined to believe mckerney than dzilla with their reveals ... dzilla revealed a more powerful role, and one that might be intended to flush out another player. mckerney's reveal is probably less likely to be in the game, but both the role and his delivery of the role are relatively understated and don't offer as much clearance.

I hope any seer-type will add dzilla to their list to validate at some point - I like feeling good about trusted roles that stick around for awhile.

In the meantime,
UNVOTE MCKERNEY

[CrimsonFox]

saldana 5 - eaglefan (662) SnDvls (789) mauboy (851) Lathum (860) crimsonfox (861)
mckerney 5 - narcizo (645) hoop (693) mrbug (758) Commo (766) dzilla (790)
lathum 4 - dubb (660) jackal (768) danny (772) raiders (794)
Bug 1 - mckerney (771)
jackal 2 - saldana (759) autumn (843)
autumn 1 - grammaticus (779)

[CrimsonFox]

saldana 5 - eaglefan (662) SnDvls (789) mauboy (851) Lathum (860) crimsonfox (861)
mckerney 4 - narcizo (645) mrbug (758) Commo (766) dzilla (790)
lathum 4 - dubb (660) jackal (768) danny (772) raiders (794)
Bug 1 - mckerney (771)
jackal 2 - saldana (759) autumn (843)
autumn 1 - grammaticus (779)

[dzilla77]

unvote mckerney
vote saldana

This is really where I wanted to put my vote earlier, but there wasn't enough traction and I still had a few votes at the time.

Maybe it will gain traction now.

[Lathum]

can someone please tell me what roles they both revealed as?

[dzilla77]

Looks like it did.

[mauchow]

Why do I suddenly feel like I should vote for mau?

lol why?

Because I joked about autumn leaving my name in there so people didn't forget about me?

[CrimsonFox]

mckerney - martyr
dzilla - exorcist
bhlloy - i forget but he's dead

[dzilla77]

I revealed as the exorcist
mckerney revealed as the matyr

[CrimsonFox]

oh yeah keeper of the flame (which makes me think of the Bangles' song "Eternal Flame"

[mckerney]

Unvote MrBug
Vote Saldana

[Lathum]

mckerney - martyr
dzilla - exorcist
bhlloy - i forget but he's dead

ok, thanks. Just need to know what roles to NOT reveal as if it comes to that!

[Autumn]

Hoops, I thought Abe said at some point that all villager roles are in the game. Anyone confirm that?

[CrimsonFox]

LOL I have never seen someone try and hint that they are a wolf moreso than you and autumn in this game.

[dubb93]

The last 5 votes have all been for Saldana. Saldana absolutely does not fit the script I laid out of the last page. Are we voting Saldana b/c we are worried he tried to save NtN at the end....on D1....in a game with a high likely hood of conversions going forward?

[CrimsonFox]

24 people I think is our confirmation of that autumn...

[dzilla77]

ok, thanks. Just need to know what roles to NOT reveal as if it comes to that!

At least your honest.

[CrimsonFox]

saldana 7 - eaglefan (662) SnDvls (789) mauboy (851) Lathum (860) crimsonfox (861) dzilla (867) mckerney (874)
mckerney 3 - narcizo (645) mrbug (758) Commo (766)
lathum 4 - dubb (660) jackal (768) danny (772) raiders (794)
jackal 2 - saldana (759) autumn (843)
autumn 1 - grammaticus (779)

[dzilla77]

The last 5 votes have all been for Saldana. Saldana absolutely does not fit the script I laid out of the last page. Are we voting Saldana b/c we are worried he tried to save NtN at the end....on D1....in a game with a high likely hood of conversions going forward?

I'm not dead set, what is your case for Lathum?

[dubb93]

I'm not dead set, what is your case for Lathum?

He looks and acts funny.

[CrimsonFox]

He looks and acts funny.

WRONG GAME! That was evil dead where you vote for people that look funny.

[dubb93]

In all seriousness I think I have for the most part put my case out there. I have nothing else to add.

[Lathum]

I'm not dead set, what is your case for Lathum?

He claims I made an unexplained D1 vote (in reality we all are doing that), I made a cryptic claim to a role, yet wasn't killed, and that I never admitted I was wrong about the way I read a comment from Hoops (even though I did).

So really his reasoning is he is mad I voted for him.

[Grammaticus]

I'm basically 100% positive he can.

It also sounds like they come back with a different role. Probably vanilla.

[Danny]

So with my wife gone tonight, I think I am going to break out my two foot dry salame

[hoopsguy]

Hoops, I thought Abe said at some point that all villager roles are in the game. Anyone confirm that?

I saw two different areas in the rules that seemed somewhat conflicted on this point:

After listing the villager roles, there is this:
Not all of these roles will be in the game. It's possible there could be Lightbringer roles not listed above as well.


But in the following post, I saw this:
There are no hidden Lightbringer roles beyond the Exorcized. There may be more than one of each role

So I'm not sure, but what I clearly did not see was anything about "Servants know roles X, Y, and Z are not in game". So any Servant bluffing should in fact be bluffing, rather than having comfort that they won't be countered by the actual role/player.

[SnDvls]

Thank you autumn, you were being timed! :)

+1

[hoopsguy]

So with my wife gone tonight, I think I am going to break out my two foot dry salame

Every dude thinks his salame is two feet.

[dzilla77]

He looks and acts funny.

Umm, I need a little more than that.

[dubb93]

And no I don't have an interest in seeing Lathum lynched per-se, but I just don't think Saldana fits the script today. A wolf makes his move yesterday late in the game. No wolf makes that game on D1. As I said earlier, look at it through the lense that you are playing a wolf. What do you do on D1? I doubt you fight for NtN @ the deadline.

[saldana]

The last 5 votes have all been for Saldana. Saldana absolutely does not fit the script I laid out of the last page. Are we voting Saldana b/c we are worried he tried to save NtN at the end....on D1....in a game with a high likely hood of conversions going forward?

yes..that is exactly what is happening...unreal.

im a vanilla lightbringer, kill me all you want, the logic being used in this game is horrible

unvote jackal
vote lathum

[Lathum]

That's fine. We can play this out. I will stay the same as well. Between your vote with no reasoning yesterday, your cryptic roled comments yesterday(yet here you still are), and your refusal to admit you were wrong today I would say you are as good a candidate as any today as well.

This is his reasoning for voting me.

[Danny]

Id be willing to move my vote, but I dont think it will be to Saldana

[Autumn]

So with my wife gone tonight, I think I am going to break my two foot dry salame

Fixed it for ya.

[dubb93]

So really his reasoning is he is mad I voted for him.

Harsh Lathum. Harsh. :D

[saldana]

i will send a check to anyone that can actually provide a single piece of logical argument for lynching me today.

[dubb93]

i will send a check to anyone that can actually provide a single piece of logical argument for lynching me today.

How big of a check?

[dubb93]

I mean, I could absolutely be convinced to go against my logic here depending on the size of the check.

[mauchow]

i will send a check to anyone that can actually provide a single piece of logical argument for lynching me today.

You wanted to vote for me - I am a villager - which means you're not on my side until I find out you're on my side!

[Danny]

i will send a check to anyone that can actually provide a single piece of logical argument for lynching me today.

By lynching you, I will receive a check for doing so.

[hoopsguy]

I was looking up a couple of the "singletons" and I didn't see any of them online to move a vote in the two pages leading up to the deadline. So that dissuades me from the "wasted vote" logic on Narc, Bug, Thomkal, and NTN.

Well, there was another reason to not vote NTN ....

[Thomkal]

well finally caught up and was all set to vote mckerney until his reveal. I'm thinking its likely one of these reveals are fake, but time will tell. I'll have to move on to one of the other vote changers right after Danny's NTN vote.

vote lathum

[CrimsonFox]

This is his reasoning for voting me.


which is why for the most part I have ignored his requests to vote for you.

[mauchow]

Well, I'm out - 15 minute drive to the bar and I'll peek in and out. Peace.

[Commo_Soldier]

Unvote McKerney
Vote Jackal

Might switch back, but I have to relook some things to see if I really believe the reveal. As for Jackal, just a gut and don't want a runaway.

[CrimsonFox]

well finally caught up and was all set to vote mckerney until his reveal. I'm thinking its likely one of these reveals are fake, but time will tell. I'll have to move on to one of the other vote changers right after Danny's NTN vote.

vote lathum


I can't sese why ANY of the reveals are fake since everyone and their grandmother are claiming to be vanillas and you guys keep browbeating newer players on the rules of "how to reveal and when to reveal".

[hoopsguy]

OK, going off the map on a couple of candidates:

1.) Why hasn't J23 gotten any attention today? Are people convinced by his "vanilla" plus the strong doubt over wolf/wolf, or is there something I'm missing?
2.) Give me a reason that SnDvls isn't getting mentioned today.
3.) Give me a reason that Zinto isn't getting mentioned today.

[hoopsguy]

I can't sese why ANY of the reveals are fake since everyone and their grandmother are claiming to be vanillas and you guys keep browbeating newer players on the rules of "how to reveal and when to reveal".

Insert "your grandma" joke here.

[Danny]

I'll bet there is at least a 90% chance both reveals are real

[Danny]

2. I mentioned sndvls, but I didnt think he was going to get enough support

[MrBug708]

*tap tap tap*

[CrimsonFox]

saldana 7 - eaglefan (662) SnDvls (789) mauboy (851) Lathum (860) crimsonfox (861) dzilla (867) mckerney (874)
mckerney 3 - narcizo (645) mrbug (758) Commo (766)
lathum 5 - dubb (660) jackal (768) danny (772) raiders (794) thomkal (905)
jackal 3 - saldana (759) autumn (843) commo (908)
autumn 1 - grammaticus (779)

[dubb93]

Zinto's hand shuffles up the wall across the ceiling and drops onto Hoop's head. The hand pull's Hoop's underwear up over his head.

Zinto's Hand Votes Hoops

[CrimsonFox]

*tap tap tap*


oh, bug wants people to vote for him and his tap shoes.

[dzilla77]

I'm really waffling right now too. I am suprised J23 didn't get any run today either.

Re-reading, the thread now that I am not on the block, i'm not getting any real good feel for anybody on the block right now.

I am probably going to move, so someone convince me where to move.

[CrimsonFox]

Do we really have 17 players on at the same time? neat.

[Thomkal]

I'll bet there is at least a 90% chance both reveals are real

I guess I'll just cling to my pathetic 10% for now then.

[saldana]

WTFE, all i did was ask why we were killing a guy that couldnt defend himself on day one, which is a dangerous play for the village, and a crappy thing to do to a guy that said he was gone for the night...the fact that he was a wolf is irrelevant to my arguments

I then proceed to offer up actual logical reasoning to vote for at least one other player who had questionable activity yesterday (jackal), and called out autumn on his ridiculous assumtion, which is the epitome of wolf garbage spewing to direct attention at other people.

and what wolf would ever suggest that there are 3 factions...why on earth would they want anyone to even begin to think that the game might have more than one set of bad guys when we are all looking in one direction and they actually know the truth...that would be a brilliant play

i only put my vote on lathum out of self preservation, but i am going to put it right back where i think it belongs, and if i die because of it, so be it

unvote lathum
vote jackal

ill be in my hottub drinkin beers when i die.

[CrimsonFox]

Zinto's hand shuffles up the wall across the ceiling and drops onto Hoop's head. The hand pull's Hoop's underwear up over his head.

Zinto's Hand Votes Hoops


I really really love this

[Thomkal]

why not J23? Because mathematically the odds are very much against it-and I can't see the servants leaving both of them in a vulnerable position if a double lynch took place-which almost did. J23 would have revealed as something other than villager to get votes off him.

[hoopsguy]

saldana 7 - eaglefan (662) SnDvls (789) mauboy (851) Lathum (860) crimsonfox (861) dzilla (867) mckerney (874)
mckerney 3 - narcizo (645) mrbug (758) Commo (766)
lathum 5 - dubb (660) jackal (768) danny (772) raiders (794) thomkal (905)
jackal 3 - saldana (759) autumn (843) commo (908)
autumn 1 - grammaticus (779)

Commo is listed twice.

I know I haven't voted - anyone else with a vote pending?

Thanks for doing this, especially on a day like today with all the movement.

[Autumn]

OK, going off the map on a couple of candidates:

1.) Why hasn't J23 gotten any attention today? Are people convinced by his "vanilla" plus the strong doubt over wolf/wolf, or is there something I'm missing?
2.) Give me a reason that SnDvls isn't getting mentioned today.
3.) Give me a reason that Zinto isn't getting mentioned today.

J23 is on my list but hasn't gotten any votes. I mentioned him a few times, but the idea that we had two wolves on the block yesterday is admittedly a hard one for people to swallow.

I don't really have anything to say on those other two at all. There's a lot of players here! Most likely the wolves are just hiding in those that aren't getting attention though, you're right.

[CrimsonFox]

saldana 7 - eaglefan (662) SnDvls (789) mauboy (851) Lathum (860) crimsonfox (861) dzilla (867) mckerney (874)
mckerney 2 - narcizo (645) mrbug (758)
lathum 5 - dubb (660) jackal (768) danny (772) raiders (794) thomkal (905)
jackal 4 - saldana (759) autumn (843) commo (908) saldana (921)
autumn 1 - grammaticus (779)

[J23]

I'm here, haven't voted, and just caught up with the thread. Don't know why I haven't had more scrutiny today, but it's not like there was a good reason for voting me yesterday either.

[hoopsguy]

For now, I'll put a vote down on SnDvls and see what develops. Won't stay there if there isn't movement, but I'm just not all that inspired by the leaderboard at the moment.

VOTE SNDVLS

[dubb93]

I thought the deadline was 9 for some reason.

[CrimsonFox]

there is no reason at all to vote for j23 today

[Autumn]

cf you've got saldana twice on Jackal

[dubb93]

I was wondering why the hell the day was going at this point.

[dzilla77]

Unvote Saldana

After doing some re-reading, I 'm not feeling as good about this now.

[hoopsguy]

Not that I'm getting away with this, but ...

DOLA

Zinto's Hand scared me away from voting him in this spot.

[CrimsonFox]

For now, I'll put a vote down on SnDvls and see what develops. Won't stay there if there isn't movement, but I'm just not all that inspired by the leaderboard at the moment.

VOTE SNDVLS


sorry hoops, sndvls is here. we have to vote for someone that isn't here or else wait for sndvls to leave before lynching him

[Autumn]

there is no reason at all to vote for j23 today

Well, I think there are some reasons, but I also think it's better to get new people on the block. If J23 ends up bad we already have a day of voting records with him. The more the merrier when it comes to vote history.

[Lathum]

My vote on Sal was more self preservation and can be bought, errr, moved

[Danny]

unvote Lathum
vote sndvls

[The Jackal]

I welcome votes, i'm cool with a 20% cleansing flame

[CrimsonFox]

saldana 6 - eaglefan (662) SnDvls (789) mauboy (851) Lathum (860) crimsonfox (861) mckerney (874)
mckerney 2 - narcizo (645) mrbug (758)
lathum 5 - dubb (660) jackal (768) danny (772) raiders (794) thomkal (905)
jackal 3 - autumn (843) commo (908) saldana (921)
autumn 1 - grammaticus (779)
sndvls 1 - hoops (928)

[Danny]

I had him and Mr. Bug as a couple players to potentially target. I've been ok with Bug so far today, but I am interested to see what develops here as well.

[Autumn]

What's the argument for Sndvls?

[The Jackal]

CF you have saldana voting for me twice in your latest vote count, just saying

[The Jackal]

oh, you fixed it

[The Jackal]

unvote lathum
vote sndvls

[CrimsonFox]

saldana 6 - eaglefan (662) SnDvls (789) mauboy (851) Lathum (860) crimsonfox (861) mckerney (874)
mckerney 2 - narcizo (645) mrbug (758)
lathum 4 - dubb (660) jackal (768) raiders (794) thomkal (905)
jackal 3 - autumn (843) commo (908) saldana (921)
autumn 1 - grammaticus (779)
sndvls 2 - hoops (928) danny (938)

[The Jackal]

I got into the crazy juice, don't mind me

[MrBug708]

Back to the normal deadline again?

Thank you!

[J23]

I think the vote for sndvls is for being utr, but I'm mostly guessing.

[Zinto]

I am extremely behind. I passed out and just got back on. Without knowing anything that has happened so far I will vote for...

Vote The Jackal

[CrimsonFox]

saldana 6 - eaglefan (662) SnDvls (789) mauboy (851) Lathum (860) crimsonfox (861) mckerney (874)
mckerney 2 - narcizo (645) mrbug (758)
lathum 3 - dubb (660) raiders (794) thomkal (905)
jackal 3 - autumn (843) commo (908) saldana (921)
autumn 1 - grammaticus (779)
sndvls 3 - hoops (928) danny (938) jackal (945)

[The Jackal]

Bring it

[Autumn]

This game is crazy.

[The Jackal]

I AM THE THIRD REVELATION

[CrimsonFox]

This unrun on Lathum has me a little worried

[The Jackal]

Oh no wait, that's for my there will be blood game

[Zinto]

I am going to quick skim everything but that is where I was at before and it seems like more people are willing to go that way at this point.

[Autumn]

I am extremely behind. I passed out and just got back on. Without knowing anything that has happened so far I will vote for...

I think I'll vote like this every day.

[The Jackal]

Why were you at that point before?

[CrimsonFox]

A rant about why I shouldn't vote for someone I can buy . A rant on why I MUST follow their vote I cannot.

[hoopsguy]

My thoughts on SnDvls are low-profile player, who earlier in the day floated the idea of looking at the players getting single votes. I've explored that idea and found it to be a pretty flawed approach based on their lack of availability or their being lynched Servants. He was also a voter on J23 about 50 posts prior to the bhlloy reveal who did not move. That puts him in the profile I created earlier, of people who were able to sit on candidates and not move their vote, therefore implicitly helping NTN. Finally, he is around tonight at this time. I don't know if he was last night but if he is tonight there is at least reason to believe he would have been last night (haven't done a deep post dive).

Is it thin? Yep, but I feel better about it than I do for the leaders at the moment.

[The Jackal]

And before people start guessing, no I don't have a duke role. I'm just willing and ready (TWSS)

[CrimsonFox]

saldana 6 - eaglefan (662) SnDvls (789) mauboy (851) Lathum (860) crimsonfox (861) mckerney (874)
mckerney 2 - narcizo (645) mrbug (758)
lathum 3 - dubb (660) raiders (794) thomkal (905)
jackal 4 - autumn (843) commo (908) saldana (921) zinto (950)
autumn 1 - grammaticus (779)
sndvls 3 - hoops (928) danny (938) jackal (945)

[SnDvls]

What's the argument for Sndvls?

It's usually UTR player. I'm ok with it I'm good with the flame too and I know my style of play leaves a lot to be desired, but if I got nothing to share I just watch.

[The Jackal]

Stop padding your post count CF (just kidding, thank you)

[Zinto]

I think I'll vote like this every day.


I am trying to catch up but I am trying to watch the Tigers plus do some ELB drafting so I am distracted.

[The Jackal]

unvote sndvls
vote lathum

[CrimsonFox]

So my problem is this...why hasn't bug moved off mckerney?

He has been lurking AND has posted another mysterious post but has said or done nothing.

[The Jackal]

unvote lathum
vote mckerney

[The Jackal]

unvote mckerney
vote saldana

[Abe Sargent]

I thought the deadline was 9 for some reason.


Nah, 6 is too early for West Coasters.

[Danny]

jackal?

[The Jackal]

I really don't like the group on saldana, I'll move there if I have to, but hell

unvote saldana
vote lathum

[The Jackal]

jackal?

Like I said, crazy juice, don't read into it too much

[Lathum]

WTF Jackal?

[Zinto]

Why were you at that point before?


Your voting day one is the thing that stands out the most to me. I am also not sold on Sal being a wolf at what I have read and remember. I want to go back to reread your posts but I might not be able to.

[The Jackal]

that's what i like to hear

[hoopsguy]

It's usually UTR player. I'm ok with it I'm good with the flame too and I know my style of play leaves a lot to be desired, but if I got nothing to share I just watch.

I've actually tried to have something a little more in depth than that, since there is the potential to pick between players who fit that description.

[Autumn]

God, I hate you right now Jackal.

[The Jackal]

unvote lathum
vote saldana

[The Jackal]

God, I hate you right now Jackal.

:D

[The Jackal]

Alright I'm done, I promise. Unless further self defense is required.

[Autumn]

I'm going to have to name a portion of the vote history after you.

Jackal, did you use an item or have an item used on you that required you to do that?

[hoopsguy]

I've actually tried to have something a little more in depth than that, since there is the potential to pick between players who fit that description.

That said, I can't speak for anyone who followed me before I laid out the fairly thin case in the thread. Perhaps they have their own reasons.

[The Jackal]

note to self: don't be detrimental to the village by distracting people.

self to note: buut it's fuuuuun

[CrimsonFox]

saldana 7 - eaglefan (662) SnDvls (789) mauboy (851) Lathum (860) crimsonfox (861) mckerney (874) jackal (980)
mckerney 2 - narcizo (645) mrbug (758)
lathum 3 - dubb (660) raiders (794) thomkal (905)
jackal 4 - autumn (843) commo (908) saldana (921) zinto (950)
autumn 1 - grammaticus (779)
sndvls 2 - hoops (928) danny (938)


grrrrrrrrrrrrr :mad:

[The Jackal]

I'm going to have to name a portion of the vote history after you.

Jackal, did you use an item or have an item used on you that required you to do that?

Nope. It all started with a theory and a desire to for something new, and then beer got involved. But I am observing reactions, for sure.

[dzilla77]

Does Jackal think he's the joker in the Dark Knight game?

[Commo_Soldier]

So are people really that convinced Saldana would come out and be so adamant that we find someone other than NTN as a wolf. I just can't see that happening so early as it is such a dangerous move. Do people have other reasons, or is that the big thing?

[The Jackal]

Does Jackal think he's the joker in the Dark Knight game?

I wish. I would've been awesome. Not some stupid mayor who wasn't even corrupt!

[dzilla77]

I'd like the vote to get a little closer

vote jackal

[The Jackal]

So are people really that convinced Saldana would come out and be so adamant that we find someone other than NTN as a wolf. I just can't see that happening so early as it is such a dangerous move. Do people have other reasons, or is that the big thing?

I think it's a good reason to look at him, but I have enough respect for sal that I think it's definitely more on the unlikely side that he'd come out in defense of a partner wolf on D1 with so so many people and conversions coming. Right now I'm there for self defense but I'm happy to move elsewhere.

[J23]

vote Jackal

I feel worse about him than Saldana. Besides, Jackal's always a wolf, right?

[The Jackal]

If I should die in the cleansing flame, I'd definitely keep in mind who voted for me because of the convenience of it, and/or you're welcome.

[Chief Rum]

Jeez, you guys type so much. I got up to page 11 earlier before I got tired. Now you guys are up to 20. So I am in skim mode. Anyone wanna work on a blow by blow of themost important stuff, have at it. I'm starting my skim.

[SnDvls]

My thoughts on SnDvls are low-profile player, who earlier in the day floated the idea of looking at the players getting single votes. I've explored that idea and found it to be a pretty flawed approach based on their lack of availability or their being lynched Servants. He was also a voter on J23 about 50 posts prior to the bhlloy reveal who did not move. That puts him in the profile I created earlier, of people who were able to sit on candidates and not move their vote, therefore implicitly helping NTN. Finally, he is around tonight at this time. I don't know if he was last night but if he is tonight there is at least reason to believe he would have been last night (haven't done a deep post dive).

Is it thin? Yep, but I feel better about it than I do for the leaders at the moment.
Some corrections here for you hoops and others.... The "idea" was last night after lynch not today....i was also trying to drum up ideas for the seerer whom i mis labled as the detective

Those are easy places to hide a vote on day one...and no i wasn't on last night until after lynch


Hope this help clear up your post

[The Jackal]

Jeez, you guys type so much. I got up to page 11 earlier before I got tired. Now you guys are up to 20. So I am in skim mode. Anyone wanna work on a blow by blow of themost important stuff, have at it. I'm starting my skim.

Run on saldana, run on lathum, bug and mckerney mentioned, sal back in lead, Jackal goes crazy, sal/jackal main candidates.

[Commo_Soldier]

I think it's a good reason to look at him, but I have enough respect for sal that I think it's definitely more on the unlikely side that he'd come out in defense of a partner wolf on D1 with so so many people and conversions coming. Right now I'm there for self defense but I'm happy to move elsewhere.

I could see coming out in defense, but with how strong Sal was defending, just seems like a stretch.

[CrimsonFox]

saldana 7 - eaglefan (662) SnDvls (789) mauboy (851) Lathum (860) crimsonfox (861) mckerney (874) jackal (980)
mckerney 2 - narcizo (645) mrbug (758)
lathum 3 - dubb (660) raiders (794) thomkal (905)
jackal 6 - autumn (843) commo (908) saldana (921) zinto (950) dzilla (991) j23 (993)
autumn 1 - grammaticus (779)
sndvls 2 - hoops (928) danny (938)

[The Jackal]

I could see coming out in defense, but with how strong Sal was defending, just seems like a stretch.

I tend to agree with you, but now that people have jumped on my crazy train I'm not left with many options.

unvote saldana
vote lathum