Official 2023 College Football Thread

[Edward64]

Coaches poll below.

Coaches Poll top 25: Michigan ahead of Alabama, Ohio State in preseason college football rankings - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/coaches-poll-top-25-michigan-ahead-of-alabama-ohio-state-in-preseason-college-football-rankings/)

Preseason Coaches Poll

Georgia (61)
Michigan
Alabama (4)
Ohio State (1)
LSU
USC
Penn State
Florida State
Clemson
Tennessee
Washington
Texas
Notre Dame
Utah
Oregon
TCU
Kansas State
Oregon State
Oklahoma
North Carolina
Wisconsin
Ole Miss
Tulane
Texas Tech
Texas A&M


Others receiving votes: Iowa 169; South Carolina 89; Florida 63; UTSA 59; Pittsburgh 52; UCLA 42; Kentucky 34; Baylor 28; Troy 25; Arkansas 20; NC State 19; Fresno State 19; Boise State 18; Auburn 18; Minnesota 16; Miami 16; Mississippi State 13; Oklahoma State 12; Missouri 11; Maryland 10; SMU 8; South Alabama 8; Illinois 7; Wake Forest 6; Air Force 6; Toledo 5; Washington State 4; Houston 3; Duke 2; Brigham Young 2; Arizona 2; Memphis 1; Kansas 1; James Madison 1

[Edward64]

Some in Hog forum are predicting a 7-5 or 6-6 year. That would be a disappointment for Pittman's 4th year.

Assuming our QB stays healthy (unlike last year), I'm more positive but honestly don't know how we'll do with a new OC and a new DC this year.

[GrantDawg]

Michigan didn't get a single first place vote, but is ranked second. Interesting.

[GrantDawg]

dola: Just to add, two is a good position. Georgia's schedule is softer than Charmin. They have one mediocre game against someone they should beat (and the always do), The number two team can't vault to number one pretty quickly. As much as Georgia has the resume of the past two years, a loss in the season could put them in real jeopardy of not making the playoffs. If that loss keeps them out of the SEC championship, then it definitely will.

[Ghost Econ]

SEC and Big Ten have 10 of the top 12 spots.

[Edward64]

Ouch.

Former Hogs RB Alex Collins has passed away, reports say it was a motorcycle accident. This came on the heels of former Hogs QB Ryan Mallett drowning in June.

Neither made a big impact in the NFL, but both were great Razorbacks and really fun to watch.

Not a good year for Hog fans.

[albionmoonlight]

A good Tulane team is like free money. You don't expect it, so on the rare occasions it happens, you really enjoy it.

[Edward64]

Nice!

Why do players commit so early? It's a long ways till 2026 but nice catch. The Hogs better do well otherwise I can see him go to greener pastures.

Tay Lockett chooses Hogs over 40 other offers | KNWA FOX24 (https://www.nwahomepage.com/sports/pig-trail-nation/hogville-hog-recruiting/tay-lockett-chooses-hogs-over-40-other-offers/)
Arkansas has landed San Diego (Calif.) St. John Bosco Class of 2026 defensive back Tay Lockett on Wednesday.

Lockett, 6-0, 175, has committed to Arkansas over offers from 40 other schools including basically all the national powers.
“I chose the Hogs because of the program Coach (Sam) Pittman has already shaped it into, but because I know we can only get better,” Lockett said. “Another big reason I chose the Hogs was because all of my family lives in Arkansas. I get the ‘home’ feeling the minute I get around the coaches and players at the University of Arkansas.”
Lockett is the first pledge for Arkansas in the Class of 2026. He’s a MaxPreps Preseason All-America.

He chose the Hogs over offers from such schools as USC, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Florida State, Penn State, Georgia, Colorado, Arizona, Oregon, Washington, UCF, Arizona State, Ole Miss, Michigan, Auburn, UCLA and Miami among numerous others.

[Ksyrup]

I kinda felt bad that the Pac-12 was dismantled but now that I'm home and expected to settle in to watch a decent team only to find out the game is on a non-existent network... Fuck the Pac-12, I hope it doesn't last until June 30th.

[bronconick]

Forgot about the new running clock for 1st downs. Army-Navy will be done in 2 hours.

[Edward64]

Another 2026 commit (and stole one from GA).

OT Bear McWhorter from Georgia. Had offers from AL, AU, Cincy, UF, FSU, GA etc.

2026 means he's 18-1-1 = 16 (?) at 6-4, 297lbs.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Another 2026 commit (and stole one from GA).

OT Bear McWhorter from Georgia. Had offers from AL, AU, Cincy, UF, FSU, GA etc.

2026 means he's 18-1-1 = 16 (?) at 6-4, 297lbs.

Well, this is the same kid who "gained national attention as an eighth grader when he rented a billboard on Interstate 49 near Fayetteville which read, "Coach Pittman, I want to be a Hog.”

[Edward64]

First saw this graphic on the Hogs forum discussing recruiting. Take it FWIW

Geography with Goudge: NFL Player Origins per Capita, 2022 | News | kmaland.com (https://www.kmaland.com/news/geography-with-goudge-nfl-player-origins-per-capita-2022/article_353e985a-335e-11ed-97b8-63ebc5725cd6.html)
NFL Player Origins per Capita, 2022

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/kmaland.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/d9/bd9ab18e-335e-11ed-9a0b-6b9ecdf50678/6320761bde02c.image.jpg?resize=750%2C499

[BYU 14]

Honestly not surprising, given the amount of talent in the south. California and Texas are 'hurt' by huge populations, but that 1.25 still equates to a lot of players and Utah, which may surprise some, has a large poly population and Poly's have a higher percentage of players in the league than any other ethnicity.

[albionmoonlight]

New Mexico kind of stands out. I wonder why it is so low relative to its neighbors

[cartman]

New Mexico kind of stands out. I wonder why it is so low relative to its neighbors

Their high school football system is quite sparse.

[HerRealName]

The data analyst in me wants to throw that map into the ocean. Gradient colors on a heat map would be far less misleading. Dr Ted Goudge show have their Sport Geography phd revoked.

[cuervo72]

What, are the Mormons taking credit for Samoa?

[GrantDawg]

The ACC was supposed to have a meeting today on adding Standford, Cal and SMU. It has been postponed due to the UNC shooting.

[Edward64]

What, are the Mormons taking credit for Samoa?

Are you thinking Hawaii?

[JPhillips]

Per capita?

So there are around 37 million NFL players from Texas?

[henry296]

Per capita?

So there are around 37 million NFL players from Texas?

Probably per million people?

[albionmoonlight]

It says "national norm = 1.0" so I think that it is all relative to that.

[Edward64]

Hogs are favored by 37.5 over Kent State. We covered last week, but our RB1 is probably not going to play this Sat so not as confident.

On other news, AP has Hogs at #28. Woohoo! Let's have a couple upsets, Hogs play really well and we might sneak into Top-25.

[Edward64]

Okay, nvm. I'm a little more confident now.

Kent State's three returning starters, all on defense, tie Colorado for the fewest overall returning starters in the country.

Central Florida outgained the Golden Flashes 723-240 in total offense as Kent State's lone points came on field goals of 45 and 43 yards by junior Andrew Glass.

[cartman]

In a long line of massively stupid decisions made by the NCAA, this one might just be the worst.

North Carolina WR Tez Walker denied appeal, ineligible for '23 - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38347273/north-carolina-wr-tez-walker-appeal-denied-ineligible-23)

[JonInMiddleGA]

In a long line of massively stupid decisions made by the NCAA, this one might just be the worst.

North Carolina WR Tez Walker denied appeal, ineligible for '23 - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38347273/north-carolina-wr-tez-walker-appeal-denied-ineligible-23)

And I just figure it's a rare case of sanity shown by the NCAA.

[RainMaker]

I don't know much about the Tez Walker situation but that is some response by Mack Brown. Can't remember the last time a coach went that hard at the NCAA.

[Lathum]

And I just figure it's a rare case of sanity shown by the NCAA.

He wanted to move closer to his ailing grandmother who raised him.

[bronconick]

They should've said one free transfer, everything else costs waiting a year. No waivers. Period. By giving some, they opened the barn door and now they're chasing horses around.

[Atocep]

They should've said one free transfer, everything else costs waiting a year. No waivers. Period. By giving some, they opened the barn door and now they're chasing horses around.

100% agree

[bob]

Is it just me or is Lee Corso doing a bit better this year?

[GrantDawg]

Georgia offensive line looks like crap. Playing teams they should dominate, they are getting pushed around. If you a SEC East team, you have to be licking your lips watching the film. Georgia is looking very beatable in the early season.

[Edward64]

Is it just me or is Lee Corso doing a bit better this year?

Maybe.

But Joe Namath hasn't aged gracefully, need to blend in his grey.

[Edward64]

Georgia offensive line looks like crap. Playing teams they should dominate, they are getting pushed around. If you a SEC East team, you have to be licking your lips watching the film. Georgia is looking very beatable in the early season.

The Dawgs have a relatively easy schedule this year (I mean, it's not as if they are in the SEC-W). Only 2 ranked teams (as of this week) on schedule with #9 Tennessee and #20 Ole Miss, and both are later in the season.

I wouldn't panic yet.

[GrantDawg]

The Dawgs have a relatively easy schedule this year (I mean, it's not as if they are in the SEC-W). Only 2 ranked teams (as of this week) on schedule with #9 Tennessee and #20 Ole Miss, and both are later in the season.

I wouldn't panic yet.
No panic, just observation. I know how easy their schedule is, but what that translates to is they have no room for error. The offense isn't looking great but especially the offensive line is just getting pushed around. That is not going to translate well once they start playing SEC level defenses unless they clean it up.

[Edward64]

No panic, just observation. I know how easy their schedule is, but what that translates to is they have no room for error. The offense isn't looking great but especially the offensive line is just getting pushed around. That is not going to translate well once they start playing SEC level defenses unless they clean it up.

... and now they're getting their mojo

[JPhillips]

Colorado hasn't looked good, but Nebraska, at least on offense, has been terrible.

[GrantDawg]

... and now they're getting their mojo
Getting three interceptions will help. The OL does seem to have wore on their DL. Let's see what they look like to start the second half. Teams like this don't have the depth to rotate talented DL to keep them fresh like better teams will.

[GrantDawg]

Georgia always seem to have a undersized walk-on that just comes out of nowhere to shine. Mekhi Mews is this years version. That little guy is shifty and has great eyes for the hole.

[GrantDawg]

That interception that Beck just threw was just a horrible series of mistakes on the Refs. They quick snap because the defense encroached and Beck forced a ball thinking it was a free play. The Refs didn't through a flag on the obvious penalty there or on the pass interference that cause the pass to bounce out to the other defender. Just garbage.

[Edward64]

The Hogs are sucking big time.

[JonInMiddleGA]

The Hogs are sucking big time.

Ole Miss and Kentucky say hi

[Edward64]

Can't be as bad as 20 yards of offense by mid 2Q.

We really, really suck.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Can't be as bad as 20 yards of offense by mid 2Q.

We really, really suck.

Kentucky was trailing EKU until about a minute ago. At least you've been ahead.

Ole Miss meanwhile, minus WR Tre Harris since early (undisclosed injury), can't do jack shit with the ball. The OL has apparently been replaced by the Oxford HS JV

[Edward64]

Alright, scored just before the half and now up 14-6.

Sure hope they come out PO’d at their performance.

[GrantDawg]

Carson Beck could be rented out to haunted houses to scare the children.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Carson Beck could be rented out to haunted houses to scare the children.

Hell, best I can tell he scares ADULTS :lol:

[GrantDawg]

Hell, best I can tell he scares ADULTS :lol:
My wife said he looks like he was put together in a lab.

[Galaril]

Colorado defense played much better but to be honest Nebraska some what handed them the blowout. I was at the game and it was no way as close as the score. It will be interesting when CU plays USC in a few weeks at Boulder. The Oline is terrible.

[Galaril]

Notre Dame with a good win at NC State. Hartman throwing 4 TDS and no interceptions, I am not sure if ND were underdogs but most everyone thought they would lose this one.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Notre Dame with a good win at NC State. Hartman throwing 4 TDS and no interceptions, I am not sure if ND were underdogs but most everyone thought they would lose this one.

ND was a 7 point favorite as of yesterday

Game was fairly close until NCSU came apart.

[JonInMiddleGA]

My wife said he looks like he was put together in a lab.

She's not wrong lol

[dubb93]

I really hope Georgia gets punished for their schedule. We want to see some big time games and we will basically learn nothing about Georgia until they play Tennessee and then again nothing until the SEC Championship. It’s a real shame. Hope they lose a game and SOS haunts them all year.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I really hope Georgia gets punished for their schedule. We want to see some big time games and we will basically learn nothing about Georgia until they play Tennessee and then again nothing until the SEC Championship. It’s a real shame. Hope they lose a game and SOS haunts them all year.

If Joe Milton remains at QB I doubt you learn much about them from that game either :(

[dubb93]

Same goes for Michigan. I wish teams wouldn’t make their schedule scared.

[larrymcg421]

Nice to see the 2021 version of Tyler Van Dyke back. I don't know who the hell suited up as him last year

[GrantDawg]

I really hope Georgia gets punished for their schedule. We want to see some big time games and we will basically learn nothing about Georgia until they play Tennessee and then again nothing until the SEC Championship. It’s a real shame. Hope they lose a game and SOS haunts them all year.
Georgia was supposed to open with Oklahoma. The SEC forced them to drop the game when they made this agreement with them and Texas. Left them screwed for this year.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Nice to see the 2021 version of Tyler Van Dyke back. I don't know who the hell suited up as him last year

Dick Van Dyke seems like the best comparison to 2022 version

[Edward64]

Alright, scored just before the half and now up 14-6.

Sure hope they come out PO’d at their performance.


Ugly win at 28-6 but I'll take it.The defense won it for us. Nice to be 2-0. Next week is BYU so should be more of a challenge, we better get our act together.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Rarely has a 17 point final margin been more deceiving than Ole Miss over Tulane today.

[albionmoonlight]

Rarely has a 17 point final margin been more deceiving than Ole Miss over Tulane today.

In what direction (I've been out all day, so I haven't seen anything about the games)?

[JonInMiddleGA]

In what direction (I've been out all day, so I haven't seen anything about the games)?

Tulane outplayed 'em for much of the day, despite having a not-ready backup QB play the whole thing.

Ole Miss took a 20-17 lead with 12:50 to go. Led only 27-20 with 2:56 to go.
Tulane onside kick fails, Ole Miss bungles the possession ... but hits a 56 yd FG miracle with 1:56 left ... and a sack and recovery TD provided the final margin.

[GrantDawg]

You know why Tennessee is playing so rough? Those ugly uniforms.

[GrantDawg]

Is there a more overpaid coach than Jimbo Fisher?

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[dubb93]

Is there a more overpaid coach than Jimbo Fisher?

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Brian Kelly?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Is there a more overpaid coach than Jimbo Fisher?

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Well, Ed Oregon still makes $750k monthly at the moment sooooo ....

But other than that lol

[JonInMiddleGA]

Scary injury to Miami's Kam Kinchens in the final minutes of the A&M game.

He was carted off, backboarded, finally awake & talking but not moving basically.

A definite thoughts & prayers situation that casts a real pall over what should be a joyous moment for Miami :(

[GrantDawg]

Such a great win for Miami, but just a bad situation to have an important player like that carted off.

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[GrantDawg]

This season is going to be insane. North Carolina is barely hanging on versus App Stare.

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[JonInMiddleGA]

Such a great win for Miami, but just a bad situation to have an important player like that carted off.

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A northwest Miami native to boot I'm told.

I think my kid summed it up "just took all the air out of everything" :(

[albionmoonlight]

These are just kids . . .

It's sobering enough in an NFL game.

College/HS is another level of stomach churning.

[GrantDawg]

App State is driving to tie or go ahead with less than 2 minutes left.

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[Ghost Econ]

If betting was legal in SC, Furman over 7.5 in the first half at +480 would have been the easiest money...

[SirFozzie]

Can Appalachian State do it again?

[GrantDawg]

Not looking good. They let NC march down into FG range.

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[Ghost Econ]

That was the dumbest, longest last 7 seconds of a game in history.

[GrantDawg]

They just can't stop that NC running back.

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[cuervo72]

I swear Texas was trying to snap it through their QB back to their RB on that sneak.

[Edward64]

On other news, AP has Hogs at #28. Woohoo! Let's have a couple upsets, Hogs play really well and we might sneak into Top-25.

Let's see ...

#23 Aggies lost
#24 Tulane lost

And on upset watch list

#13 Oregon down 18-20
#19 Wisconsin down 24-9

Doubt the Hogs make it into Top-25 this week, but if they take care of business with BYU, possibly the next one.

... and Go Horns!

[GrantDawg]

Whatever happens here, you have to think this is a beatable Alabama team.

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[JonInMiddleGA]

Whatever happens here, you have to think this is a beatable Alabama team.

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Thus far, they've looked like a Gator Bowl-bound Alabama team

[JonInMiddleGA]

“So far, the reports that we have on (Kinchens) are that everything seem to be relatively normal, so I’m going to head over there right after I get done with the press conference and see how he’s doing,” (Miami HC Mario) Cristobal said.

[GrantDawg]

What a terrible time to throw that pick.

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[GrantDawg]

And just like that, from down to a two score lead.

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[RainMaker]

No clue what defense Texas is running there. Getting great pressure and just leaving the middle of the field wide open.

[GrantDawg]

They have left several receivers wide open tonight. They are lucky the Bama quarterback is so inaccurate.

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[SirFozzie]

If this was a wrestling match, the first three quarters were a hoss fight, and now we're in a spotfest (close to a spotmonkey) match.

[JonInMiddleGA]

5 TD catches in the Bama-Texas game so far ... 3 by UGA transfers

(I ain't saying what that means, if anything ... just found it interesting is all)

[Vegas Vic]

Without Georgia, is the SEC even considered to be a Power Five conference anymore?

[cuervo72]

Texas holds on, I say rank them #1, drop everyone else a spot. Screw y'all for scheduling high school teams.

(Not that it really matters this early.)

[GrantDawg]

They by far have the best win of the season. They probably should jump up to one, but they won't move that far. How far does Bama drop? I would bet they are still ranked above Texas. Rankings are stupid.

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[RainMaker]

They should be at least 2. Probably 1 until Georgia plays a team with a pulse.

[cartman]

HOOK EM HORNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edward64]

Congrats Texas!

And yes, Texas will jump Alabama in next poll.

[GrantDawg]

I didn't know Mick Luckhurst's son was the kicker for Cal.

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[Thomkal]

Coastal Carolina had its home opener against Jacksonville State today. Only led 10-9 at the half, but finally pulled away to win 30-16.

[RainMaker]

Rough start to the year for the SEC.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Rough start to the year for the SEC.

it may be a rough year in general for the SEC. Nobody has looked good so far honestly.

[cartman]

Alabama is 0-8-1 all-time against Texas when the Longhorn's starting QB makes it past the first quarter

[JPhillips]

it may be a rough year in general for the SEC. Nobody has looked good so far honestly.

But GA may go undefeated into the playoffs.

They may also not play anyone in the top 25.

[Vegas Vic]

Alabama is 0-8-1 all-time against Texas when the Longhorn's starting QB makes it past the first quarter

Very true. For all of Alabama's chest thumping I would also note that Bob Stoops was 3-0 against the Crimson Tide during his coaching career at Oklahoma. "You just can't score against those SEC defenses." Remember that one, before OU hung 44 on them in the Sugar Bowl?

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[GrantDawg]

But GA may go undefeated into the playoffs.

They may also not play anyone in the top 25.
They will drop spots if it plays out that way.

[larrymcg421]

They will drop spots, but zero chance an undefeated GA, no matter how bad their schedule, will be outside the top 4 playoff spots.

[GrantDawg]

They will drop spots, but zero chance an undefeated GA, no matter how bad their schedule, will be outside the top 4 playoff spots.
No, and they shouldn't unless there are 4 other undefeated teams. I think the idea they won't play a top 25 team is silly. Whoever they play in the SEC championship will be at least top 25, so will most likely Tennessee and Ole Miss. Kentucky and Auburn could be as well. It is a easier schedule than they usually have but it isn't exactly a MAC schedule.
Now if they lose any of those games, it will be really hard to get into the playoffs. They have no room for error.

[JPhillips]

I agree it's unlikely, but is there anyone on their schedule that you would be surprised by 3 or 4 losses?

[GrantDawg]

I agree it's unlikely, but is there anyone on their schedule that you would be surprised by 3 or 4 losses?
Not really, but then 3-4 losses is usually a top 25 team in the SEC.

[GrantDawg]

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mel Tucker fired as Michigan State’s coach, sources told <a href="https://twitter.com/ActionNetworkHQ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ActionNetworkHQ</a>. Secondary coach Harlon Bennett will be MSU’s interim coach w/former coach Mark Dantonio expected to assist in an undefined role. MSU investigating allegations Tucker sexually harassed activist/rape…</p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1700957849046712354?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[RainMaker]

I wonder how much of that was a desire to get out of that bad contract.

[GrantDawg]

I wonder how much of that was a desire to get out of that bad contract.
And think they were very happy he handed them the opportunity.

[bhlloy]

How fucking stupid do you have to be to sexually harass the sexual harassment activist who comes in to talk to your team about sexual harassment.

It’s a miracle he has managed to breathe for so long on this planet, let alone run a Power 5 football program. Jesus H Christ dude.

[bronconick]

Choosing to sexually harass a rape survivor/activist to lose $80 million+ in guaranteed money is galaxy brain level stupidity.

[GrantDawg]

"And this is sexual harassment" *shows graphic*
Mel: " You know what else is sexual harassment? The way that booty pops."

[JonInMiddleGA]

I wonder how much of that was a desire to get out of that bad contract.

At least 99.99% of it most likely

[bob]

Fairly crappy set of games for week 3

[Edward64]

Some great news.

Miami Hurricanes coach Mario Cristobal says All-American safety Kamren Kinchens is in "good shape" after being carted off the field following a scary hit late in the Canes' win over Texas A&M.

Cristobal, in his weekly appearance Monday morning on WQAM radio in Miami, said all test results have been encouraging. Kinchens was released from a hospital Sunday.

Kinchens' family posted on social media a photo of him from the hospital bed, thanking people for their support and saying he was "doing better."

[JonInMiddleGA]

Judge grants temporary restraining order to prevent Pac-12 from meeting - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38380648/judge-grants-temporary-restraining-order-prevent-pac-12-meeting)

This felt like a no-brainer when I saw the story last week.

[SirFozzie]

Just following up on the SMU to ACC story.

Let's just convert the major college teams into Under 22 pro leagues. Make it official that the boosters own the team.

MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/smu-pays-way-into-acc-with-200m-from-boosters/ar-AA1gonPQ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=dcc611076e184b34bff71cca9a0304c1&ei=37)

(this refers to the top booster who put together the package to make up the $200 million that SMU agreed to forego in media money)

When Miller met with the top boosters to seal the move to the ACC, the combined net worth of the room was believed to be about $15 billion.

“It’s a couple hundred million dollars,” Miller said. “I’m not losing sleep over it.”

Let's once and for all time get rid of the "It's all amateurs, really!" bullshit.

[GrantDawg]

Just like the constant stories of the demise of the NFL, college football has also failed to die.
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Record TV ratings. Packed stands. Sky-high interest.<br><br>ADs, commissioners, NCAA lawyers, old coaches and establishment media claimed NIL and the transfer portal would ruin college football and push fans away. <br><br>Wrong then. Wrong now. Maybe next year … <a href="https://t.co/n5XqgCDAM9">https://t.co/n5XqgCDAM9</a></p>&mdash; Dan Wetzel (@DanWetzel) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1702049450393309420?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[Brian Swartz]

That basically tells me that I'm out of touch, since the sport has pushed me away (both leagues). But that's true on a lot of fronts.

[JonInMiddleGA]

That basically tells me that I'm out of touch, since the sport has pushed me away (both leagues). But that's true on a lot of fronts.

It's also a narrative being pushed by a source of questionable reliability. With this sort of dollars at stake, nobody with a vested interest is going to admit anything other than rosiness.

[Solecismic]

Once the games begin, I tend to forget whatever it is that might or might not have pushed me away.

Life keeps intervening. There's the rape case with the Alabama walk-on, Mel Tucker's expensive abusive behavior in East Lansing, for NBA fans the brutal beating of the sister of Dwayne Haskins' widow by that Rocket player.

That's this week's off-field news. It makes you think. But sports is an escape. It remains an escape, as long as the leagues draw some line somewhere. Or at least say they will.

Despite all the available entertainment out there, and TikTok's formula of never-ending video crack, I think people still crave appointment entertainment in some form. But the scripted sitcoms and dramas are too conveniently binged and there are no more water-cooler shows, like Seinfeld. Plus the Hollywood strike means no new stuff, not that many were watching what was there.

Sports fits. It has to be consumed live. And football has become our sport. So we'll consume it eagerly each fall (sorry, USFL and XFL, we just aren't connected to second-best, or spring football). College football isn't dying by any means, but when you look at the top television ratings for the year, most of it (entertainment, sports, everything) is NFL.

[Edward64]

Just another one of those opinion pieces. I don't really have a strong opinion either way but think I prefer if Jimbo given till the end of the season and see how it plays out.

9 & 8 win seasons ain't bad but get he's paid to win a lot more.

Texas A&M football: After Miami debacle, should Jimbo Fisher stay or should he go? (https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/tamu-football/texas-am-football-after-miami-debacle-should-jimbo-fisher-stay-or-should-he-go/)
The end of the Jimbo Fisher Era could be near at Texas A&M.

ESPN college football analyst and talk show host Paul Finebaum illustrated on The Matt Barrie Show what could be the driving force.

In addition to his failure to lift the Aggies to elite status, far from it in fact, Fisher could ultimately fall victim to Texas’ surge into the spotlight after the Longhorns’ dismantling of an Alabama program that has been the measuring stick for all others for at least the past decade.
:
It’s time to pull the plug on this experiment. It isn’t going anywhere. It’s reached its ceiling.
It'd be tough for Petrino to take over mid-season. I'd root for him but best if Jimbo takes the heat this year. Then next year ...

It was a nice try; it just didn’t work out. And would it be just too easy to slide new OC Bobby Petrino down from the press box to the playing field as the Aggies’ interim head coach for the remainder of this season?

It’s becoming clear that this is the path the Aggies should take.

[GrantDawg]

He might not get fired right now, but another big loss then he is probably done.

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[JonInMiddleGA]

I can think of 76.8 million reasons why Fisher isn't likely to be fired unless they lose to UL-Monroe in their third game or to Abilene Christian in their 11th game.

Suffer through til Jan 1, 2024 and there's only 67.55 million reasons

[Edward64]

Nice quote.

“At the end of the season, if A&M is looking at a mediocre record, that $75 million will not be a factor,” Paul Finebaum recently said. “Presidents don’t make those decisions in places like Texas A&M. It’s the guys with the cowboy hats.

[Ghost Econ]

I think it's almost like a point of pride for these rich assholes to spend more money to fire a coach just so they can brag to their other rich friends.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Tell what would be kinda interesting.

Let's assume they buyout Jimbo.

Does the money come from the same idiots who ponied up to buy him in the first place? Or does it come from a different faction?

And if you spend the buyout money, what faction ponies up for a replacement?

[Edward64]

You're thinking like a normal person.

When we're talking multi-billions of net worth, who cares.

[Breeze]

I would not want to be Jimbo relying on Petrino to call plays while rumors are circulating that he’s in line to step in and take your job. I mean it’s not really a stretch to believe Petrino might sabotage things to be the head coach. This is like a psychological thriller in the making.

[GrantDawg]

Tell what would be kinda interesting.

Let's assume they buyout Jimbo.

Does the money come from the same idiots who ponied up to buy him in the first place? Or does it come from a different faction?

And if you spend the buyout money, what faction ponies up for a replacement?
What I have always wonder is how do they write this money off? I guarantee these guy find a way to make it business loss.

[JonInMiddleGA]

You're thinking like a normal person.

When we're talking multi-billions of net worth, who cares.

Unless you get that rare bird like Oregon or Oklahoma State, most of 'em have a limit.

It's a high ass limit, but there's a figure in their head.

[cartman]

at A&M, no price is too high for the committed boosters to try and get one over on Texas. They would rather bankrupt themselves.

[Ghost Econ]

Iowa is favored by 28.5 over Western Michigan. As we all know, the Fightin Ferentz's have to average over 25 so Brian can keep his job.

Do you bet Western Michigan to cover?
Can Iowa win 20 to -9 to cover??
Could Iowa figure out how to score 1/2 points?

Assuming Iowa scores over 28.5, do they use this game to run up the count to goose the >25 ppg. If they can get to 70, that essentially gives them 4 points per game to work with the rest of the season.

[cartman]

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[GrantDawg]

I usually can't stand Saban, but that was the best.

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[Edward64]

Looks like Alabama is making a QB change.

Tyler Buchner expected to start for Alabama at USF, sources say - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38406753/tyler-buchner-expected-start-alabama-usf-sources-say)
Sophomore Tyler Buchner is expected to start over Jalen Milroe when the 10th-ranked Crimson Tide play at South Florida on Saturday (3:30 p.m. ET, ABC), sources told ESPN's Chris Low. Buchner, who transferred from Notre Dame in the spring, took the majority of first-team reps in practice this week, sources said.

Milroe started the Crimson Tide's first two games, but he threw two interceptions in Alabama's 34-24 loss to Texas last week.

Buchner played under Alabama offensive coordinator Tommy Rees last season when both were at Notre Dame. He played in mop-up duty during Alabama's season-opening 56-7 win over Middle Tennessee, completing 3 of 5 passes for 27 yards.

If I was a NFL QB1 and this happened, I'd be PO'd but I'd laugh all the way to the bank. Can't help but feel sorry for a college QB though. I am glad the portal nowadays allows a bigger "marketplace" where college kids can transfer to other schools that may consider them an upgrade.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Can't help but feel sorry for a college QB though. I am glad the portal nowadays allows a bigger "marketplace" where college kids can transfer to other schools that may consider them an upgrade.

In this case Milroe really doesn't have anyone to blame but himself. The performance simply wasn't there.

That said, I don't believe this is an upgrade and either Milroe or someone else on the depth chart will get a shot at the job soon enough. (Probably not today, but soon)

[bob]

Copied this from reddit. Buchner has a really weird career arc:


As a freshman in high school he only threw 37 passes and had 20 carries for 274 yards and 4 TDs.

He tore his ACL his sophomore year on the 4th play of the season and missed the whole year.

His junior year (over 13 games) he had 4474 passing yards on 66 completion % with 53 TDs and 6 INTs along with 128 carries for 1610 rushing yards and 28 rushing TDs.

He missed all of his senior year in 2020 due to COVID.

He was the backup in 2021 at ND behind senior Wisconsin transfer Jack Coan.

In 2022 he beat out Drew Payne to be the starter but injured his shoulder in game 2 against Marshall and missed the rest of the regular season. He started in the bowl game against South Carolina but only because Payne (now the backup QB at Arizona State) entered the transfer portal.

He lost the QB competition at Alabama to Milroe despite having the advantage of knowing the offense Rees runs ahead of time since they had been together at ND.

In his now third season of college he is 70-123 (56.9%) for 976 yards with 6 TDs and 8 INTs over 14 games with 3 starts. Also, is 83 for 468 with 8 TDs rushing.


So he has thrown 562 passes in games since 2017 (freshman year of high school) until now. 402/562 (71.5%) of those passes came when he was a junior in high school in 2019.

I was surprised that he went with Rees given he wasn't guaranteed the starter job. If he had stayed at ND, he would have been clear option #1 for next season and would have graduated with a ND degree.

[Edward64]

Rattler making it look easy in first series.

Dawgs defense looking squishy. That TD run was weird.

[bronconick]

Rest of FSU's scheduled opponents now digging for a dual threat QB to savage the defense

[GrantDawg]

Nothing I can say right now would be from a rational mind, except it is really hard to keep a team motivated at the elite level that is required to win three titles in a row. Eventually, that feeling that you can just win by showing up is going to catch you right in the ass.

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[JonInMiddleGA]

Nothing I can say right now would be from a rational mind, except it is really hard to keep a team motivated at the elite level that is required to win three titles in a row. Eventually, that feeling that you can just win by showing up is going to catch you right in the ass.

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Or, you know, just suddenly remember that a) Brock Bowers is on the roster and b) passes more than 5 yards downfield are legal

[Edward64]

Everyone gets to have a mediocre game (or two)

It’s tough to be king

[GrantDawg]

Spencer Rattler throws a good ball while being hit. You have to give him that.

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[RainMaker]

This Alabama offense is something else.

[Lathum]

I’m enjoying this huskies game. We are absolutely a title contender.

[GrantDawg]

The second I turn it over to Alabama they score. Maybe I should watch something else.

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[Edward64]

Wow, congrats to the Mizzou kicker.

He's going to get laid tonight.

[GrantDawg]

A USF Bull has 3 sacks in a game versus Alabama. That just seems wrong.

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[Edward64]

I know there's QB issues but this is more than just QB.

[GrantDawg]

Alabama squeaks by USF, just like everyone predict.

[Solecismic]

Iowa with 41 today at home? Did they have to delay the game to truck in a 3 and a 4 to put in the tens digit on the scoreboard?

Poor MSU. I can imagine Dantonio is thinking, "do I really need the money?" It's not going to be pretty when Michigan goes to East Lansing. That's going to be a very angry team and a point spread I'd imagine will be impossible to cover.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I know there's QB issues but this is more than just QB.

Looks more like an inept OL than any of the other position groups.

[bob]

Well, if we could actually kick or catch the ball we'd be tied.

However, we can't, so GT still hasn't scored against Ole Miss in 5+ quarters.

Fortunately they can't catch either.

[Thomkal]

Coastal Carolina cruising at the half against visiting Duquesne, with 2 INTs run back for TD 45-0. Would not surprise me if they sit down QB McCall for the second half and give the backups some time.

[Edward64]

Hogs were like a TD favorite over BYU. But it looks like it's going to be another one of those games. Losing 21-14 with 4min left in the half.

[GrantDawg]

Florida killing Tennessee right now. Just dragging them up and down the field.

[Edward64]

Hogs were like a TD favorite over BYU. But it looks like it's going to be another one of those games. Losing 21-14 with 4min left in the half.

Whew, we're up 24-21 going into the half.

That's more like it.

[bronconick]

Tennessee doesn't win in Gainesville. That streak will be drinking age next year.

[bob]

Why do I do this to myself every year?

[Thomkal]

Coastal Carolina cruising at the half against visiting Duquesne, with 2 INTs run back for TD 45-0. Would not surprise me if they sit down QB McCall for the second half and give the backups some time.


And they continued to cruise even with the backups in and score what might be a record number of points 66-7. Woot!

[GrantDawg]

Stay classy, Tennessee.

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[bob]

Stay classy, Tennessee.

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What did they do?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Not sure what Tennessee expected.

I mean, if you don't bother to show up on defense at all, that rarely ends well. All the bad calls in the world don't overshadow that reality.

Just an embarrassing performance. Or it should be.

Whether it is in the NIL era, I honestly can't say.

[bob]

I doubt GT ever really becomes relevant again, but hiring Brent Key was not the right move in my opinion.

We had second and 2 down by two scores with time running out and we ran 3 times in a row?

[JonInMiddleGA]

I doubt GT ever really becomes relevant again, but hiring Brent Key was not the right move in my opinion.

We had second and 2 down by two scores with time running out and we ran 3 times in a row?

Tech's answer to Matt Luke.

And we saw how THAT went.

Of course, it's GT. He'll be there for years ... and then they'll make a move & hire somebody like Clark Lea to replace him.

[sovereignstar v2]

Let's Go Rams!

[Solecismic]

I'm kinda on the Colorado thing now. Sanders makes no pretensions about what he's doing. He's getting results. This will help college football with the inevitable transition. It's an interesting story.

[Edward64]

Oh well, another year of broken dreams.

At least it didn't happen in Game 1.

[Edward64]

I'm kinda on the Colorado thing now. Sanders makes no pretensions about what he's doing. He's getting results. This will help college football with the inevitable transition. It's an interesting story.

I'm rooting for Sanders to do well. But I'm also rooting for Colorado State right now. Lose 3 games get to a nice bowl vindicates Sanders. Lose 1 game and get to the National Championships will make Sanders insufferable.

[sovereignstar v2]

CSU up by 7 at the half. The sunglasses have already come off.

[Galaril]

CSU up by 11 in the early 4th qtr. I don’t recognize this CSU team frankly. The hype definitely got them fired up for the game.

[Galaril]

Ok crazy game. Sanders drivers CU 99 yards with 2 minutes left in the game and get the 2pm it conversion. Tied game at midnight here in Colorado. Going to OT.

[sovereignstar v2]

I'm running on fumes

[Honolulu_Blue]

I'm running on fumes

Same. So tired.

[sovereignstar v2]

Shedeur is impressive

[Galaril]

Wow quite the ending. Oregon is likely boat racing these guys next weekend but quite the win though they were 24 point favorites. Good night

[JonInMiddleGA]

Lose 1 game and get to the National Championships will make Sanders insufferable.

He's already farrrrr past that.

[bob]

Former ND quarterbacks today:

5-13 52 yds., 0 TD 2 INT, 2 lost fumbles (Drew Pyne, ASU)
8-20 81 yds., 0 TD 3 INT (Phil Jurkovec, Pitt)
5-14 34 yds., 0 TD 0 INT (Buchner, Alabama)

I don’t know what to make of that, exactly, but that’s something to behold.

[Edward64]

Every year around this time, I go into a funk for 3-6 weeks (not necessarily consecutively though). It's when the Hogs lose a game they shouldn't have or a competitive game.

I suspect many of us here this issue. Does this mean we have an unhealthy relationship with CFB, taking it way too seriously, and should not watch it anymore?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Every year around this time, I go into a funk for 3-6 weeks (not necessarily consecutively though). It's when the Hogs lose a game they shouldn't have or a competitive game.

I suspect many of us here this issue. Does this mean we have an unhealthy relationship with CFB, taking it way too seriously, and should not watch it anymore?

Eh, I can relate but not in a long time.

No shortage of people like that around me but, tbh, when your lifelong association to college football is Georgia Tech at some point it just gets beaten out of you.

I'm more disgusted at this point by occasional winners than I am with losses.

[GrantDawg]

Every year around this time, I go into a funk for 3-6 weeks (not necessarily consecutively though). It's when the Hogs lose a game they shouldn't have or a competitive game.

I suspect many of us here this issue. Does this mean we have an unhealthy relationship with CFB, taking it way too seriously, and should not watch it anymore?
I really think that is just sports fandom. There are definite levels to it, from the casual "nice if we win, but it doesn't mean much when we lose" to the extreme "My team lost, so now I have to go punch someone." I feel like if you are able to keep yourself from attacking someone, then you are a healthy level of fan.

[GrantDawg]

What did they do?
This sequence. The game should have been over on the last play but Heupel chose to be a prick and call time out with 7 seconds left. The Florida QB then does the dance around behind the line to burn the clock, and Vol player hits him as he is taking a knee and then a brawl ensues. Unnecessary b.s. by a sore loser.
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[cartman]

That was a weird Saturday of games. Lots of teams looked like they were sleepwalking for large stretches of games.

[Brian Swartz]

FWIW, I stopped watching live sports of any kind because of the emotional reaction to results. Everybody has to make their own call on that, but it just disgusted me how much it affected me.

[cuervo72]

That was a weird Saturday of games. Lots of teams looked like they were sleepwalking for large stretches of games.

Well, so many of the matchups were crap. At least there were a couple of conference games and some of the middle-tier power 5s had out of conference matchups which were at least mildly entertaining (Purdue/Syracuse, Carolina/Minnesota

Nobody wants to see this Bethune-Cookman/Miami, Bowling Green/Michigan, Wyoming/Texas, Western Kentucky/Ohio State, Central Michigan/Notre Dame, Alabama/South Florida, Weber State/Utah, Hawaii/Oregon, Oklahoma/Tulsa, NC Central/UCLA crap. Yeah, it plays on campus. It's a load of shit for the millions of the rest of us.

[Edward64]

I really think that is just sports fandom. There are definite levels to it, from the casual "nice if we win, but it doesn't mean much when we lose" to the extreme "My team lost, so now I have to go punch someone." I feel like if you are able to keep yourself from attacking someone, then you are a healthy level of fan.

I definitely don't feel like attacking anyone but I do get into a noticeable funk the next day.

FWIW, I stopped watching live sports of any kind because of the emotional reaction to results. Everybody has to make their own call on that, but it just disgusted me how much it affected me.

Yeah, don't like how it's affecting me. I think I'll try your way and avoid watching Hogs play. If they get to a nice Bowl, sure.

[Ksyrup]

College FB is the only sport that affects me this way. I still root for the Broncos/Lions, Phillies/Tigers, even FSU basketball this past year when they fell off a cliff I just kinda shrugged it off and stopped following every game closely.

Yesterday we were hiking Mt. Rainier so we had no service for about 5 hours. Missed the whole FSU/BC game except 2 friggin' texts somehow came through from my daughter - "FSU sucks" and "Jordan Travis is hurt." I... could have done without getting those texts. When I finally got service and saw we won, it was just relief. But seeing how it all played out, I'm glad I missed the game. Or at least the 4th quarter.

[Edward64]

You're right. I don't feel like this with the Falcons or Hog basketball, those I kinda just shrug off. But not Razorback Football for some weird reason.

Well, good to know there's a couple of you that share my malady.

[tarcone]

Iowa goes completely out of character at the end of the game and score a TD instead fof kneeling, which they ALWAYS dis.

Got BF a little cushion in his quest for 325.

BF took a 50k pay cut. But if the team reaches 325 points and 7+ wins he gets a 112,500 bonus, which mean he actually makes 62,500 more this season than last. More than the 40 raise he got the year before.

[ntndeacon]

I'm really proud of Div II Miles College from the SIAA. Beat one SWAC school in Alabama St. last week, and came close to beating a second (Arkansas-Pine Bluff) this week. I'm looking forward to seeing how they do in conference.

[Lathum]

So a conference that has 8 top 25 teams, 3 top 10 teams, the reigning Heisman winner and 2 other strong candidates, and 3 QBs who can easily be top 10 picks next year, will cease to exist next year. what an abomination

[JonInMiddleGA]

Sources - FAU QB Casey Thompson out for season with ACL, meniscus tears - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38432009/sources-fau-qb-casey-thompson-season-acl-meniscus-tears)

[JonInMiddleGA]

Nebraska RBs Gabe Ervin Jr., Rahmir Johnson out for season - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38432035/nebraska-rbs-gabe-ervin-jr-rahmir-johnson-season)

Ervin, a former Buford (GA) HS star, will have missed 21 of a possible 36 games due to injury in the first three seasons of his college career

edit to add: The new (and previous) starter will be Anthony Grant ... another former Buford (GA) HS star oddly enough

[cartman]

Sources - FAU QB Casey Thompson out for season with ACL, meniscus tears - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38432009/sources-fau-qb-casey-thompson-season-acl-meniscus-tears)

Gonna go for a 7th year of eligibility.

[GrantDawg]

Nebraska RBs Gabe Ervin Jr., Rahmir Johnson out for season - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38432035/nebraska-rbs-gabe-ervin-jr-rahmir-johnson-season)

Ervin, a former Buford (GA) HS star, will have missed 21 of a possible 36 games due to injury in the first three seasons of his college career

edit to add: The new (and previous) starter will be Anthony Grant ... another former Buford (GA) HS star oddly enough
Well you know, it is hard to think of Nebraska without thinking of Buford, Ga.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Well you know, it is hard to think of Nebraska without thinking of Buford, Ga.

I dunno.

I mean, in Buford, they actually win games

[GrantDawg]

I dunno.

I mean, in Buford, they actually win games
But they really like corn.

[Lathum]

Connelly week 3 recap ranking the 39 unbeaten teams - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/college-football/insider/story/_/id/38423303/connelly-week-3-college-football-recap-ranking-unbeaten-teams)

Boom!!

[SirFozzie]

It must be ironic to Jon that Deion Sanders is the adult in the room when it comes to the response to the late hit by that Colorado State player:

https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1704185327504568384

[BishopMVP]

Copied this from reddit. Buchner has a really weird career arc:


As a freshman in high school he only threw 37 passes and had 20 carries for 274 yards and 4 TDs.

He tore his ACL his sophomore year on the 4th play of the season and missed the whole year.

His junior year (over 13 games) he had 4474 passing yards on 66 completion % with 53 TDs and 6 INTs along with 128 carries for 1610 rushing yards and 28 rushing TDs.

He missed all of his senior year in 2020 due to COVID.

He was the backup in 2021 at ND behind senior Wisconsin transfer Jack Coan.

In 2022 he beat out Drew Payne to be the starter but injured his shoulder in game 2 against Marshall and missed the rest of the regular season. He started in the bowl game against South Carolina but only because Payne (now the backup QB at Arizona State) entered the transfer portal.

He lost the QB competition at Alabama to Milroe despite having the advantage of knowing the offense Rees runs ahead of time since they had been together at ND.

In his now third season of college he is 70-123 (56.9%) for 976 yards with 6 TDs and 8 INTs over 14 games with 3 starts. Also, is 83 for 468 with 8 TDs rushing.


So he has thrown 562 passes in games since 2017 (freshman year of high school) until now. 402/562 (71.5%) of those passes came when he was a junior in high school in 2019.

I was surprised that he went with Rees given he wasn't guaranteed the starter job. If he had stayed at ND, he would have been clear option #1 for next season and would have graduated with a ND degree.
Even easier to say now but I think it was more likely ND would have brought in another Sam Hartman (/Jack Coan) instead of starting Buchner. Or maybe even Minchey had passed him... idk, I don't know what happened after that Sophomore year of HS and whether it was injuries or the missed COVID reps but Buchner was always terrible. Decent athlete but not nearly as good as he thought he was combined with horribly inaccurate, I was very glad Pyne took over and he's not a real Power 5 QB either but at least he could hit Mikey Mayer when he was open.

We'll see what happens Saturday but I've loved Hartman so far, and not too surprised after seeing him at Wake. He's a little old, a little short, and not as dynamic as others he's just super accurate, reads defenses very well, and doesn't make a lot of throwing mistakes. (Pocket presence/ball security does need a bit of work.) I watched the guy the last two years losing the rare game at Wake when they'd score 45 or 55 vs Clemson or UNC, just really wish we still had a Mayer or elite WR with how good he's making also rans like Holden Staes look.

[bob]

I don't really pay attention to recruiting, but I did read somewhere that during the missed covid year he worked with some coach to rework his throwing motion and he has never been the same since.

[Thomkal]

Coastal Carolina gets a head start on this week's action with a game tonight against Georgia State at 7:30 on ESPN. Probably a good thing because the weather may be iffy all weekend. Interstingly enough they have never beaten them at home and never lost on the road. QB McCall has also never faced them at home, and looks to be healthy for tonight's game.

[bob]

Again, stolen from reddit, but pretty well describes my thoughts:

"I love how this all started with "why shouldn't athletes be allowed to have twitch streams/be paid for NCAA video games/be able to do ads" etc. And it INSTANTLY (like within the first week) turned into pay-for-play, collectives etc. with some actual NIL compensation sprinkled in here and there. Now, a few years later, the (wealthy) institutions are ready to just do away with the NIL fiction and start paying them directly (courtesy of FOX et al).

Regardless of how you feel about player compensation, those NIL chicken littles concerned about NIL giving way to a slippery slope of direct pay-for-play were 100% correct."

[Ksyrup]

The NCAA treated NIL the same way record companies treated streaming. Ignored it until it was too late.

[GrantDawg]

Yup. The ball was in their court for years, and they could have made moves to have control of how things went for a couple of decades. Instead, they buried their heads in the sand while the sky came down on them.

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[GrantDawg]

Dola: and it was the deep pocket boosters that stopped them for doing anything all that time, and whose money is now pouring in to the NIL's.

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[Solecismic]

It's always funny seeing people complain on the Michigan board whenever an SEC school makes an NIL splash, then (and I don't know if it's the same people - I hate that claim) it goes unchallenged when people want to promote Michigan's efforts to put together an NIL factory.

I've felt from the beginning that this is a transition period. NIL as it stands now is easily corrupted and organized gambling is heavily involved, whether it's showing up on the field yet or not.

Too much money out there. And when nine million people tune into a late-night game on ESPN to see Colorado/Colorado State, that money is justified. We are a football country and major college football is second to the NFL.

These kids probably should be employees. Contracts, health care, even pension of a sort because health care for athletes is a long-term issue. The NCAA can't do this because major college football is 1% of its business and what works for major college football most certainly doesn't work anywhere else.

I get why they've buried their heads in the sand. Once the kids are employees, it's no long rah-rah-rah for the alma mater. It's something else. Maybe that transition works, too. Maybe it doesn't.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I get why they've buried their heads in the sand. Once the kids are employees, it's no long rah-rah-rah for the alma mater. It's something else. Maybe that transition works, too. Maybe it doesn't.

You could almost certainly go back quite a few years and find me here repeatedly saying some variation of "y'know what? screw it, just make them employees of the marketing department since that's what they really are anyway"

Tax 'em, drug test 'em, give them only the discounts that other employees would get for taking classes, treat them same as any other marketing department employee.

[Thomkal]

Coastal Carolina gets a head start on this week's action with a game tonight against Georgia State at 7:30 on ESPN. Probably a good thing because the weather may be iffy all weekend. Interstingly enough they have never beaten them at home and never lost on the road. QB McCall has also never faced them at home, and looks to be healthy for tonight's game.


Sadly the magic wasn't there for them last night and they lost pretty badly. :( McCall was good,but he doesn't have enough playmakers around him. The defense was bad giving up 36 points.

[Ksyrup]

I glanced at the stats and would never have guessed the final score. Not that they clearly should have won, but the stats suggested a closer score, maybe even a win. +1 on TOs, +30 on yards, 3rd/4th down efficiency was in GSU's favor but only 8-15 to 6-15 (hardly fatal), both teams punted 3 times, and despite being out-rushed, CCU actually had the edge in TOP (although 3 fewer 1st downs). Definitely doesn't scream 30-17 loss.

[bob]

I have a bad feeling that Georgia State is going to beat Tech to start next season.

[Thomkal]

I have a bad feeling that Georgia State is going to beat Tech to start next season.


Go Sun Belt!

[JonInMiddleGA]

I have a bad feeling that Georgia State is going to beat Tech to start next season.

Seeing Tech play football is a leading cause of those sorts of feelings.

[Ksyrup]

All I have to say is, as good a job as Norvell did this offseason in upgrading with transfers and some coaching moves (like upgrading the DB coach who was let go to Arkansas), his insistence on keeping Adam Fuller was going to sink this season for FSU. And that is proving true yet again. His loyalty to that guy is going to end up in this being a really good season instead of an ACC/NC-contending season. This is playing out exactly like I thought. Only positive I see is that FSU has proven to be a decent 2nd half team so they can still dig out of this. But Fuller sucks as a DC. He is the weak link.

[GrantDawg]

Too many games this week. Need more eyes.

[tarcone]

Iowa wearing alternate Unis tonight. Well, wearing black pants instead of gold.

If you can legally bet I would bet Iowa plus the points and the under.

[tarcone]

Too many games this week. Need more eyes.

Im already flipping and its the light part of the schedule.

[GrantDawg]

Ummmmm.....I think that is a sideline penalty?
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So THAT’s what the 12th man means <a href="https://t.co/ncK7QrMIo5">https://t.co/ncK7QrMIo5</a></p>&mdash; Jordan D. Hill (@JordanDavisHill) <a href="https://twitter.com/JordanDavisHill/status/1705657891854700659?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[bob]

End of that game was something. FSU play calling was like a 12 year old that only runs bombs in Madden. Clemson - not sure what that was.

[GrantDawg]

End of that game was something. FSU play calling was like a 12 year old that only runs bombs in Madden. Clemson - not sure what that was.
Bad. It was bad.

[Ksyrup]

I will take it.

But Jordan Travis is clearly not right. I know he's got a left shoulder issue, but he didn't put himself on the line at any point, even when it was needed. And we still won.

This is why I like being the noon game. Win or lose, I can enjoy the rest of the games without stressing about the late game. It was a win-win for me today.

[GrantDawg]

I like the Oregon black helmets. It made me contrast the other game I'm watching, and made me ask the question "has Alabama ever wore an alternate uniform?"

[GrantDawg]

Ole Miss just carved up the Bama defense. If they don't shore things up, this is going to be a bad day for them.

[Kodos]

Go Oregon. Crush Prime!

[JonInMiddleGA]

I like the Oregon black helmets. It made me contrast the other game I'm watching, and made me ask the question "has Alabama ever wore an alternate uniform?"

from al dot com

Alabama wore slightly different “pro combat” uniforms for a 2010 game with Mississippi State. Unlike other Nike alternates that season, Bama didn't change much at all. The uniforms featured an American flag on the right shoulder pad and faint houndstooth pattern inside the front numbers.

[Atocep]

Texas Tech QB just went down with what appeared to be a non contact broken ankle on his front leg when planting to pass. I've never seen anything like it. He got popped pretty hard on the previous play while running and got up a little slow, but nothing would indicate the ankle would just snap like that 1 play later.

[GrantDawg]

This Oregon game might get out of hand.

[JonInMiddleGA]

This Oregon game might get out of hand.

From your mouth to God's ear

[Kodos]

Colorado looks like they learned how to tackle from Deion.

[bob]

I’ve always thought that it’s odd that as long as you touch the ball, you are allowed to absolutely destroy the punter.

[bob]

"They're fighting for clicks, we're fighting for wins"

[GrantDawg]

The Ole Miss QB needs to get a better strap for that helmet.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Oregon leads Colorado 35-21 at the half

That'd be points versus yards.

[Kodos]

:D

[bronconick]

Portland State had 200 yards and 7 points vs. Oregon in their 81-7 loss.

Can Colorado match them?

[Ksyrup]

Something tells me Milroe is going to end up transferring to a G5.

EDIT: Although that was a nice throw.

[Ghost Econ]

Shadeur Sanders has 32 yards of offense through 3 quarters

[JonInMiddleGA]

Shadeur Sanders has 32 yards of offense through 3 quarters

The game gets an asterisk I'm sure since T. Hunter isn't playing

[sovereignstar v2]

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[Ksyrup]

The cherry on top for Oregon is they get credit for a top 20 win.

[Ksyrup]

Meanwhile on Fox, a commercial for next week's "biggest game of the year, Colorado against USC!"

[JonInMiddleGA]

Bama is beyond ripe to have been picked ... but there may not be many (LSU perhaps) who can actually pick 'em

I'm honestly not sure they could get across the 50 against Georgia

[Edward64]

I guess no more Heisman hype for Sanders?

[bronconick]

Oh look. Alabama is leaning on the defense and has a 39-21 run pass ratio.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Oh look. Alabama is leaning on the defense and has a 39-21 run pass ratio.

That was really all they had to figure out in the 2nd half, stop trying to throw the damned ball & run it right at an overmatched (even against a subpar OL) OM defense.

And bless him, Jaxon Dart doesn't lack for trying, he just lacks for ability.
But he ain't him.

[Ksyrup]

What an amazing catch. And it looked like targeting on top of it.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OH MY!!!! WHAT A CATCH <a href="https://twitter.com/S1ickSzn?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@S1ickSzn</a> ��<br><br>�� ESPN+ <a href="https://t.co/4zzupSxOfJ">pic.twitter.com/4zzupSxOfJ</a></p>&mdash; Florida Gators Football (@GatorsFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/GatorsFB/status/1705725552009883694?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[GrantDawg]

Wow. He was able to palm that while getting nailed.

[Ksyrup]

This is such a great Twitter follow.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Oregon mascot with the girlfriends of all the Colorado players tonight <a href="https://t.co/i3pjyqi9Uq">pic.twitter.com/i3pjyqi9Uq</a></p>&mdash; Hubie Talks Hoops (@HubieTalksHoops) <a href="https://twitter.com/HubieTalksHoops/status/1705706196143948282?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>