The Trump Presidency 2.0

[GrantDawg]

Iran has just closed its airspace.

[Sweed]

Is there nobody in the USA army/defense capable of explaining Trump and his minions that Denmark already is part of NATO? Or was his call for NATO <strike>ass kissers</strike>fellow members to yank up their military budgets to have a bigger challenge in the intra-NATO war he's planning?

It won't make a difference but I ran across this the other day on youtube. "I'm sick of stupid" from Sen. Thom Tillis GOP commenting on Greenland/Denmark and Stephen Miller's comments. Yes a GOP Sen that is not troubled by most of the stupidity, but Greenland is apparently where the line is drawn, and where separate but equal branches of the government apply. It's not talking directly to Trump, but you take what you can get, I guess?

https://youtu.be/Sf9_KLRTzGs?si=AEWymtOoibh-J65_

There is plenty of reason to not take seriously almost anything Tillis says. I'm not suggesting he's not a piece of shit like the rest of the bootlickers. Only posting it because it is the closest thing I've seen that comes close to answering your post. I doubt there is anybody left that could say anything that would make any difference. Why? Because it's Trump. :banghead:

[JPhillips]

Tillis is clear that if we invade Greenland he'll file a War Powers motion, so everything is fine.

[Lathum]

It won't make a difference but I ran across this the other day on youtube. "I'm sick of stupid" from Sen. Thom Tillis GOP commenting on Greenland/Denmark and Stephen Miller's comments. Yes a GOP Sen that is not troubled by most of the stupidity, but Greenland is apparently where the line is drawn, and where separate but equal branches of the government apply. It's not talking directly to Trump, but you take what you can get, I guess?

https://youtu.be/Sf9_KLRTzGs?si=AEWymtOoibh-J65_

There is plenty of reason to not take seriously almost anything Tillis says. I'm not suggesting he's not a piece of shit like the rest of the bootlickers. Only posting it because it is the closest thing I've seen that comes close to answering your post. I doubt there is anybody left that could say anything that would make any difference. Why? Because it's Trump. :banghead:

He isn't running for reelection.

Funny how they all come to their senses in that situation. I is almost as if they all know Trump is a monster and his administration is destroying the world but lawmakers re mor concerned about keeping their jobs then doing what is right.

[JPhillips]

Machado says she gave Trump her Nobel Peace Prize. How embarrassing for both of them.

[Atocep]

So Trump's healthcare plan isn't a healthcare plan. Just a few things he wants to see done that's, shockingly, light on details.

[Sweed]

He isn't running for reelection.

Funny how they all come to their senses in that situation. I is almost as if they all know Trump is a monster and his administration is destroying the world but lawmakers re mor concerned about keeping their jobs then doing what is right.

With what he said I didn't bother to check, but figured that was the case.

[GrantDawg]

Iran has just closed its airspace.

There was a planned attack last night. Things were spooled up and Iran had defenses set. Trump waived it off at the last minute. It seems Isreal and the Arab states urged him not to do it. They finally got through to him that Iranian regime would not be toppled that easily, and bombing wouldn't do anything but ratchet up the crack down on the protest. It still likely some kind of move is coming, but maybe something a bit more calculated.

[RainMaker]

There was a planned attack last night. Things were spooled up and Iran had defenses set. Trump waived it off at the last minute. It seems Isreal and the Arab states urged him not to do it. They finally got through to him that Iranian regime would not be toppled that easily, and bombing wouldn't do anything but ratchet up the crack down on the protest. It still likely some kind of move is coming, but maybe something a bit more calculated.

I highly doubt Israel talked him out of it.

[Danny]

The battle for the next nobel peace prize is going to be tight berween Trump and Darth Vader.

[Mota]

Machado says she gave Trump her Nobel Peace Prize. How embarrassing for both of them.

Imagine someone giving you their World Series ring, and you thinking it makes you a World Series champion?

[QuikSand]

Nobody talking about Epstein. Winning.

[Ksyrup]

He also floated the idea that the incumbent's party losing mid-terms is a psychological effect and that as much as he's accomplished, we shouldn't even have a mid-term election.

[RainMaker]

Machado says she gave Trump her Nobel Peace Prize. How embarrassing for both of them.

Modern day Knut Hamsun

[miami_fan]

Machado says she gave Trump her Nobel Peace Prize. How embarrassing for both of them.

I would have fully approved of this if she went full Jeff Jarrett at Bash at the Beach 2000.

[Ghost Econ]

It would be amusing if she just gave him a replica. It's not like he could tell.

Also, since they flipped the food pyramid, does that mean high cholesterol is good now? Just asking for my lab work.

[NobodyHere]

Imagine someone giving you their World Series ring, and you thinking it makes you a World Series champion?

Didn't Putin steal one of Robert Krafts Superbowl rings?

[Atocep]

Trump pardoned a donor's daughter for the 2nd time. Her sentence for fraud was commuted in 2021, she committed and was convicted of fraud in a 2nd case in 2024, and he pardoned her today.

[flere-imsaho]

Draining the swamp, AMIRITE?

[Ghost Econ]

So, not sure if you guys get this info, but measles is exploding like crazy in my area. Like 500 plus cases confirmed, but 13 were fully vaxxed.

[RainMaker]

I was wrong about Walz last year. What an utter pussy.

[flere-imsaho]

Yeah, I saw the story about the measles outbreaks (plural). Stay safe, there, Ghost Econ.

The thing about a large unvaccinated population is that it creates ideal conditions for viruses to mutate in ways that can overwhelm previous vaccinations. Herd immunity is a thing, but not well understood by many.

[MIJB#19]

Several NATO members now acknowledge the importance to defend Greenland against Russia and China, and as a reward Trump has decided to come with new import tariffs against those NATO members.

[Icy]

Several NATO members now acknowledge the importance to defend Greenland against Russia and China, and as a reward Trump has decided to come with new import tariffs against those NATO members.

That proves lack knowledge about the EU laws. There is free movement inside the EU so these countries just need to move their goods to another EU country and ship it from there to avoid these tariffs. You either put tariffs against the EU or nothing, you can’t on individual countries..

[flere-imsaho]

The Trump Administration doesn't even understand U.S. laws, so....

[Mota]

If you don't let us take over another country, I'll tariff you.
That's the perfect reason why the Supreme Court needs to take that power away from him.

[Fidatelo]

It also goes to show that there is very little incentive to sign these trade deals with him to avoid tariffs because he'll just move the goal posts and threaten them again down the line.

[JPhillips]

So now the President is in charge of football schedules and network TV programming?

[Mota]

I wonder if the Supreme Court, who are supposed to make a decision about tariffs anytime, are watching Trump wield the power like a madman, to try and take over an allied NATO country.

[kingfc22]

So is Greenland importing fentanyl and that’s why we are tariffing many EU countries now? I can’t keep up with the daily goal post moving and shifting to wherever the hell we are now with having a Fascist Dictator in control of the US government.

[HerRealName]

I wonder if the Supreme Court, who are supposed to make a decision about tariffs anytime, are watching Trump wield the power like a madman, to try and take over an allied NATO country.

At least 2, and probably more, are cheering him on.

[GrantDawg]

At least 2, and probably more, are cheering him on.
And the strange thing is those two were not even appointed by him. The two most extereme judges where appointed by Bush 1 and 2. While Bush 2 definitely had some heavy leaning Right wing advisors, Bush 1 was pretty moderate. It makes me wonder, was Justice Thomas always as extreme or did he radicalize on the bench?

[Lathum]

And the strange thing is those two were not even appointed by him. The two most extereme judges where appointed by Bush 1 and 2. While Bush 2 definitely had some heavy leaning Right wing advisors, Bush 1 was pretty moderate. It makes me wonder, was Justice Thomas always as extreme or did he radicalize on the bench?

I suspect his batshit crazy wife had some influence.

[Lathum]

I have always though the civil war talk was largely hyperbolic, but this shit in Minneapolis has me thinking we legit may have a standoff between state and national guard.

History will look back on this feckless congress that is letting him get away with this shit as one of the all time failures in our history.

[GrantDawg]

I have always though the civil war talk was largely hyperbolic, but this shit in Minneapolis has me thinking we legit may have a standoff between state and national guard.

History will look back on this feckless congress that is letting him get away with this shit as one of the all time failures in our history.

It is not even going to be National Guard. They are preparing 1,500 regular Army soldiers for mobilization.

[Atocep]

Bill Cassidy sold out to confirm RFK Jr. and other Trump appointees and Trump endorsed his primary challenger.

[Lathum]

Bill Cassidy sold out to confirm RFK Jr. and other Trump appointees and Trump endorsed his primary challenger.

It is amazing these guys never learn loyalty is a one way street with him

[NobodyHere]

Trump says he no longer needs to think purely of peace following Nobel loss, amid Greenland push (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-says-he-no-longer-needs-to-think-purely-of-peace-following-nobel-loss-amid-greenland-push/ar-AA1Uvg5H?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=696e5d205c884851aa97800786317d29&ei=24)

I think I'm beginning to see why Trump never earned the Peace Prize

[MIJB#19]

Trump says he no longer needs to think purely of peace following Nobel loss, amid Greenland push (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-says-he-no-longer-needs-to-think-purely-of-peace-following-nobel-loss-amid-greenland-push/ar-AA1Uvg5H?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=696e5d205c884851aa97800786317d29&ei=24)

I think I'm beginning to see why Trump never earned the Peace PrizeBut he got the more unique than Nobel first ever FIFA peace prize!

[RainMaker]

The Trump Administration doesn't even understand U.S. laws, so....

Or that Denmark and Norway are different countries.

[PilotMan]

But he got the more unique than Nobel first ever FIFA peace prize!


Get the official Soccer Peace Prize, ban some countries fans from being able to attend. Sounds about right.

[Atocep]

Apparently I have between 4 and 11 more homes to buy before I retire.

[Thomkal]

Apparently I have between 4 and 11 more homes to buy before I retire.


Hurry up man, these houses aren't buying themselves!


It really is a toss up between him and the Ag Secretary who's more ouf touch with what is really happening in America/needs a mental health evaluation.

[Mota]

Mark Carney gave a great speech yesterday.

Trump apparently didn't like it. Not grateful enough. Which is exactly why Carney's speech was so good. Trump only likes people that are subservient. You can't make a deal with Trump, because he will constantly move the goalposts every time.

[Danny]

The guy wants literally every single thing to be about him.

[Ghost Econ]

I just wish Iceland would stop tanking our economy.

So if I'm counting at home, Greenland may be Iceland, he's taking Greenland/Iceland because Norway didn't give him the Peace Prize, and Denmark actually owns Greenland.

Does Polymarket let us bet on which Nordic country Trump will confuse next?

[Atocep]

Death, Taxes, and Ted Cruz fleeing Texas during a state of emergency. This time it's to Laguna Beach.

[whomario]

a woman and she was very repetitive. She said, no, no, no…. She said, no, no, no, please, you cannot do it. Kept saying the same thing over and over. And she just rubbed me the wrong way.

Speech at Davos or in an interrogation room of a police station?

[DanGarion]

Speech at Davos or in an interrogation room of a police station?

Are we sure he wasn't listening to Amy Winehouse?

[RainMaker]

Mark Carney gave a great speech yesterday.

Trump apparently didn't like it. Not grateful enough. Which is exactly why Carney's speech was so good. Trump only likes people that are subservient. You can't make a deal with Trump, because he will constantly move the goalposts every time.

Carney gave a nice speech but he is also partly responsible for the breakdown of that "rules based order".

[Atocep]

Trump dropped the military and tariff threats over Greenland and says they have the framework of a deal in place. Anyone want to bet that the deal is the same deal that's been on the table since day 1? Increased US military presence in the region and more bases if needed.

[GrantDawg]

Trump dropped the military and tariff threats over Greenland and says they have the framework of a deal in place. Anyone want to bet that the deal is the same deal that's been on the table since day 1? Increased US military presence in the region and more bases if needed.
There is a mineral rights deal in there as well. I think it might also be one we already had.

[Atocep]

There is a mineral rights deal in there as well. I think it might also be one we already had.

If not, other countries already have that and it's not doing anything because, at this point, it's not economically viable to extract them.

This is all shit he could have had if he had some diplomacy skills and simply asked rather than further alienate us from our allies.

[GrantDawg]

Meanwhile, on the Epstein files...a federal judge has not assigned a "Special Master" to look over the Justice Department's handling of the realease. This has allowed the Republicans to take aim at the Judge (an Obama appointee) instead of the Justice Department, who you know are actually breaking the law. Dems tried to charge Pam Bondi and the DOJ for contempt of congress, but the Republicans said no. They instead are calling for the impeachment of the judge. In other words, they have found reasons to delay doing anything. Big surprise.

[RainMaker]

It's literally the same deal we had in place since the end of WW2.

[Lathum]

Honestly if the deal is the same and he claims victory I am good with it as opposed to the alternative. I suspect he saw the markets tank yesterday and that shook him.

[Mota]

The art of the deal for Trump is to declare everything a victory, and to accept responsibility for nothing. That way everything you do is gold.

[Danny]

Given this is Trump, this was a best case scenario result.

[RainMaker]

All you have to do to stop him is sell skme treasuries.

[JPhillips]

Who needs NATO when you have these powerhouse allies?

Trump's "Board of Peace": Belarus, Morocco, Vietnam, Kazakhstan, Hungary, Armenia, Egypt, Kosovo, Pakistan, Paraguay, Albania, Uzbekistan, Bahrain, Qatar, Indonesia.

[Fidatelo]

Carney gave a nice speech but he is also partly responsible for the breakdown of that "rules based order".


What do you mean by that?

[Mota]

Re: Carney's speech

Seeing the writing on the wall does not make you responsible.

[RainMaker]

The theme of his speech was that the international rules based order is dead which is correct. You could make cases it never really existed with what we've done to Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Venezuela and much of the global south.

Regarding Carney, he's been a supporter of the mass genocide in Gaza. Many people warned that this would end the any semblance of order. It's a bit naive to support the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of children and then assume that won't have repercussions back home.

Just as we're seeing with ICE and the inevitable imperial boomerang. You can't compartmentalize being Hitler in one part of the world and expect to be peaceful at home. This is something not just people on the left have been saying, but also principled conservatives like Massie. Payment always comes due for your actions and Carney's hands are covered in the same blood.

[Lathum]

Who needs NATO when you have these powerhouse allies?

Not only is he charging member nations a billion to join, but he has sole control over veto power, choosing his replacement, changing meeting agendas, and when and what to vote on.

[Atocep]

The top 20% of earners currently make up 59% of consumer spending, which is the highest that's been since World War 2.

[Mota]

The theme of his speech was that the international rules based order is dead which is correct. You could make cases it never really existed with what we've done to Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Venezuela and much of the global south.

Regarding Carney, he's been a supporter of the mass genocide in Gaza. Many people warned that this would end the any semblance of order. It's a bit naive to support the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of children and then assume that won't have repercussions back home.

Just as we're seeing with ICE and the inevitable imperial boomerang. You can't compartmentalize being Hitler in one part of the world and expect to be peaceful at home. This is something not just people on the left have been saying, but also principled conservatives like Massie. Payment always comes due for your actions and Carney's hands are covered in the same blood.

I don't really agree with your take here.

https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/statements/2025/09/21/statement-prime-minister-carney-on-canada-recognition-state-palestine

Carney actually really pissed off Trump with recognizing Palestine.

And Canada has almost always donated above their weight for humanitarian aid, while some other countries are backing out.

[Fidatelo]

I think RainMaker is missing a large point of the speech. Carney made it a point to acknowledge that we (Canada) have been complicit in looking the other way and by doing so benefiting and prospering. The entire conceit of the speech, centered around the green sign in the shop window, is that everyone knew that the rules-based order was not in fact reality. He's not responsible for the breakdown any more than we all are, he's simply the first on the world stage to come out and tell it like it is.

[RainMaker]

I agree with you that Canada is complicit in all of this too. But he's also the one with power. He is the one who refused to label it a genocide despite knowing it is. He has supported wars in the Middle East. Supported what took place in Venezuela. Heck, before he entered politics he was one of the main bankers responsible for gutting the Russian financial system and leaving us in the situation with Putin that we enjoy today.

His speech is factually correct but it also rings a bit hollow when the rule breaker is the one complaining about the lack of rules when it finally bites him in the ass.

[Fidatelo]

I agree with you that Canada is complicit in all of this too. But he's also the one with power. He is the one who refused to label it a genocide despite knowing it is. He has supported wars in the Middle East. Supported what took place in Venezuela. Heck, before he entered politics he was one of the main bankers responsible for gutting the Russian financial system and leaving us in the situation with Putin that we enjoy today.

His speech is factually correct but it also rings a bit hollow when the rule breaker is the one complaining about the lack of rules when it finally bites him in the ass.


You're still missing the point. He's not complaining, show me a line or clip where he complained. He simply decided to speak what everyone knows to already be true, and that pretending it's not is no longer a viable strategy for 'middle powers'. He then explained what he sees as a path forward, how the middle powers need to work together if they want to stand up to the super-powers.

[PilotMan]

Honestly if the deal is the same and he claims victory I am good with it as opposed to the alternative. I suspect he saw the markets tank yesterday and that shook him.


I took a shit in the toilet, AND wiped my ass clean! It's a win because I was telling anyone who would listen, that I didn't want to do that anymore, and instead I was gonna shit in your bed, even though we're good friends. But you gave in, and told me I could use the toilet NOW INSEAD and I averted a massive crisis. WINNING!

[RainMaker]

Democrats join Republicans to pass DHS bill despite party opposition | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-democrats-break-jeffries-pass-dhs-funding-despite-ice-backlash)

[HerRealName]

Democrats join Republicans to pass DHS bill despite party opposition | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-democrats-break-jeffries-pass-dhs-funding-despite-ice-backlash)

Great work by the DCCC for saving Cuellar in that primary a couple years back.

[flere-imsaho]

For those who don't want to search (don't blame you, this took a while): The seven Democrats who sided with Republicans were Reps. Henry Cuellar (Texas), Jared Golden (Maine), Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (Wash.), Laura Gillen (N.Y.), Don Davis (N.C.), Tom Suozzi (N.Y.) and Vicente Gonzalez (Texas).

[Lathum]

JFC- At some point the GOP needs to grow a spine. He gets more demented each day.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trump: “Dear Prime Minister Carney:<br> <br>Please let this Letter serve to represent that the Board of Peace is withdrawing its invitation to you regarding Canada’s joining, what will be, the most prestigious Board of Leaders ever assembled, at any time.<br> <br>Thank you for your attention… <a href="https://t.co/9LC3OCptDM">pic.twitter.com/9LC3OCptDM</a></p>&mdash; Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) <a href="https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/2014517137872674895?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2026</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Fidatelo]

JFC- At some point the GOP needs to grow a spine. He gets more demented each day.

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When the dust settles the Board of Peace will all be totalitarian regimes. It's going to be 1984 Ministry of Peace doublespeak in the most literal sense.

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[Mota]

Maybe the elected officials of the USA should look at the "Board of Peace" and understand that these are their greatest allies now. Are they okay with that? It really should be the "Oh no, we are the bad guys now" moment.

[cuervo72]

Yeah, might be nice if someone questioned or pushed back on the whole deal of him setting up his own personal Legion of Doom.

[HerRealName]

It is fascinating how a group of people that obsess over performative masculinity are the most submissive, beta cucks possible.

[Qwikshot]

Yeah, might be nice if someone questioned or pushed back on the whole deal of him setting up his own personal Legion of Doom.

More like Legion of Dumb

[Mota]

The Beaverton (satire website) did it right with this one:

Carney uninvited to join Trump’s ‘Board Of Peace’ alongside Putin, Netanyahu, Lex Luthor, Megatron

[RainMaker]

It is fascinating how a group of people that obsess over performative masculinity are the most submissive, beta cucks possible.

Part of conservatism is being deeply submissive to male authority figures.

[RainMaker]

Great work by the DCCC for saving Cuellar in that primary a couple years back.

They more or less support ICE. Just not the bad optics. But they know they can use them for their own causes when they're back in power. They will always find a few votes to make it happen while pretending they oppose it.

Like I've said, there is no opposition party. Just one that has different optics.

[flere-imsaho]

Carney uninvited to join Trump’s ‘Board Of Peace’ alongside Putin, Netanyahu, Lex Luthor, Megatron

In terms of level of evil, how would you rank those four? I'm not 100% convinced Luthor or Megatron would rise to the top in such a ranking.

Part of conservatism is being deeply submissive to male authority figures.

Thus Grindr crashing whenever a bunch of GOP dudes get together.

They more or less support ICE. Just not the bad optics. But they know they can use them for their own causes when they're back in power. They will always find a few votes to make it happen while pretending they oppose it.

All of DHS should be dismantled and repatriated back to its original spots. No Democrat should be against this. Part of the situation with ICE today dates from the GOP sowing the seeds of an institutional terror apparatus starting with DHS and the Democrats never checking it. Another huge failure by Obama.

[AlexB]

Of all the things he’s said and done, I think the one that has angered the international community the most is his comments about international troops in Afghanistan, particularly given his own sterling avoidance of military service.

Trump is querying whether NATO would help defend the US if needed, TBH I think a lot of people would consider joining the attack after what he’s said.

[Ghost Econ]

If we get a Nuremberg II in 3 years I'm sprucing up my resume so I can get the job of pushing the button to drop the floor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/23/health/milhoan-vaccines-optional-polio.html

[MIJB#19]

Of all the things he’s said and done, I think the one that has angered the international community the most is his comments about international troops in Afghanistan, particularly given his own sterling avoidance of military service.

Trump is querying whether NATO would help defend the US if needed, TBH I think a lot of people would consider joining the attack after what he’s said.It's the second time during his second term that Trump (is reported to have) denied the existence of the support from NATO members in the 9/11 aftermath. And all that denial just a day after Trump got put in his place by the NATO Secretary General on this particular subject. Shouldn't the Republican party be done with this?

[RainMaker]

All of DHS should be dismantled and repatriated back to its original spots. No Democrat should be against this. Part of the situation with ICE today dates from the GOP sowing the seeds of an institutional terror apparatus starting with DHS and the Democrats never checking it. Another huge failure by Obama.

Sadly, Dems support all this. Even in power, they'll continue to increase funding but tack on some useless nonsense like "additional training" or "body cams" that won't matter. They'll use it against their enemies too.

Honestly, no real point in voting at this point. It is what it is.

[Fidatelo]

Sadly, Dems support all this. Even in power, they'll continue to increase funding but tack on some useless nonsense like "additional training" or "body cams" that won't matter. They'll use it against their enemies too.

Honestly, no real point in voting at this point. It is what it is.


Right, because everything is just as good as it was a year ago. :rolleyes:


Forget Edward being a bot, are you a Russian psy-op trying to discourage voting? Good grief.

[RainMaker]

They literally helped pass extra funding for it yesterday. Senate Dems will do the same next week. Outside of a few meaningless speeches, the Governor of Minnesota and Mayor of Minneapolis have done jack shit to protect their constituents. No Democratic leaders have even broached the topic of cutting funding to the organization committing terrorism in their cities and states despite it being a 70-30 issue with voters.

They aren't coming to save you from fascism. They are perfectly fine with it as long as the check cashes.

[RainMaker]

People voted them in in 2020 and they couldn't even be bothered to arrest the people who tried to overthrow the country.

[RainMaker]

Just a moment... (https://www.axios.com/2026/01/23/janet-mills-california-fundraisers-ice-maine)

[Mota]

Now Trump is threatening to tariff Canada 100% if they make a trade deal with China. Imagine that, pushing your best friend away, but then throwing a hissy fit when said friend makes new friends.

[PilotMan]

This one looks every bit as bad, if not worse than the last one of what in reading is accurate.

[Danny]

Public opinion will continue to turn at least somewhat with these murders being everyday americans and not immigrants. Maybe not enough though to change the direction things are going.

And RainMaker, two things can be true, democrat politicians can suck while at the same time Trump being far worse. There is not just absolutes.

[flere-imsaho]

RainMaker wants to tear the entire Democratic party down to ashes so that something new and good can rise in opposition to MAGAGOP.

[Fidatelo]

RainMaker wants to tear the entire Democratic party down to ashes so that something new and good can rise in opposition to MAGAGOP.


And how is he going about that? Just telling people not to vote? How's that working out?


Good luck with the imaginary 3rd party when there aren't even elections anymore.

[JPhillips]

Bondi says they'll pull ICE if MN gives them voter data.

So it isn't about safety or immigration, it's about stealing the next election.

[RainMaker]

And how is he going about that? Just telling people not to vote? How's that working out?

Good luck with the imaginary 3rd party when there aren't even elections anymore.

The current Democrats didn't even give a shit when people tried to overthrow the government in 2021. You think they are coming to save you in 2026?

The party needs to be completely scrapped. Every leader needs to be voted out on primaries or forced to resign. Voting for the diet fascists isn't a viable strategy.

[Fidatelo]

The current Democrats didn't even give a shit when people tried to overthrow the government in 2021. You think they are coming to save you in 2026?

I'm not asking 'the Democrats to save me'. But there is a difference between being a weak/ineffective opposition and actively instigating authoritarianism.


The party needs to be completely scrapped. Every leader needs to be voted out on primaries or forced to resign. Voting for the diet fascists isn't a viable strategy.


Hate to break it to you but in all likelihood voting is no longer a viable strategy.

[Fidatelo]

Bondi says they'll pull ICE if MN gives them voter data.

So it isn't about safety or immigration, it's about stealing the next election.


Always has been. Those same immigration agents are going to be keeping the voting lines extra safe later this year as well.

[JPhillips]

I wish there were tighter gun laws, but the NRA has won these fights. Crazy how MAGA is now arguing that just having a gun in public is enough of a justification to be executed.

Kash Patel: "You cannot bring a firearm, loaded, with multiple magazines to any sort of protest that you want. It's that simple. You don't have a right to break the law."

[Ghost Econ]

They have literal wannabe Nazi parades where they prance around towns with assault rifles.

[GrantDawg]

I wish there were tighter gun laws, but the NRA has won these fights. Crazy how MAGA is now arguing that just having a gun in public is enough of a justification to be executed.
Ummmmm...what law, Mr. Patel? I think YOU made it pretty clear in the Kyle Rittenhouse case that bringing guns and multiple clips of ammo is legal to bring to protests. Heck, it makes you a hero! Or are you saying it is illegal as long as the protests are against you?

[PilotMan]

I'd like to see Kash go all Undercover Boss while carrying in Minneapolis right now and see what happens.

[Mota]

There's no logic that can be applied. One side can do whatever they want and they are considered patriots, the other side are terrorists for doing the same thing.

This is when you see that the Rule of Law has failed in the USA.

[flere-imsaho]

Charlie Kirk: (https://www.rawstory.com/charlie-kirk-dhs-haunting-quote/)

"The 2nd amendment is not for hunting, it is not for self protection," the podcaster wrote in 2018. "It is there to ensure that free people can defend themselves if god forbid government became tyrannical and turned against its citizens."

Erika Kirk: (https://www.newsweek.com/erika-kirk-calls-anti-ice-protests-demonic-11407641)

Erika Kirk, described anti-Immigration and Customs Enforcement protests as "demonic" amid a wave of backlash against immigration enforcement.

[RainMaker]

Pretty low on the list of things that matter but one of the GOP candidates dropped out of the race for Governor. Likely would have been a competitive race before all this turned the state as blue as it gets. Wonder if we'll see that bleed into Michigan and Wisconsin.

Vercel Security Checkpoint (https://www.startribune.com/chris-madel-ends-gop-bid-for-governor-says-he-cant-support-federal-retribution-against-minnesota/601570793)

[Fidatelo]

I saw huge protests in Minnesota over the weekend (obviously), but are they happening in other states also? Maybe it's just not being covered, but from the outside looking in it sort of seems like Minnesota is being hung out to dry by the rest of the country. Shouldn't people be out in the 10's to 100's of thousands across the country at this point?

[RainMaker]

I saw huge protests in Minnesota over the weekend (obviously), but are they happening in other states also? Maybe it's just not being covered, but from the outside looking in it sort of seems like Minnesota is being hung out to dry by the rest of the country. Shouldn't people be out in the 10's to 100's of thousands across the country at this point?

Yes, there was a really big protest in Chicago yesterday. Media can't really cover that stuff much though so I don't think many people know what is going on. Was kind of the same when ICE was causing chaos in Chicago and most of the insane stories were just ignored. Like I still can't believe them rapelling in blackhawk helicopters to harass a building for some slumlord wasn't a massive story.

[Passacaglia]

There was one in Chicago this weekend. Maybe Chicago is different because we went through it too. I'm not sure about other cities. I think most people throughout the country were worried about the storm though.

[Atocep]

Seattle and Portland both had protests yesterday. Nothing outside of Minneapolis is getting much attention in the national media right now though.

[Atocep]

Pretty low on the list of things that matter but one of the GOP candidates dropped out of the race for Governor. Likely would have been a competitive race before all this turned the state as blue as it gets. Wonder if we'll see that bleed into Michigan and Wisconsin.

Vercel Security Checkpoint (https://www.startribune.com/chris-madel-ends-gop-bid-for-governor-says-he-cant-support-federal-retribution-against-minnesota/601570793)

It's likely going to take years for the GOP to overcome this in Minnesota. It isn't your typical political BS that's quickly forgotten. This is tyranny and oppression in your backyard.

[Atocep]

Holy shit, when ICE has lost Greg Abbott things are bad. He said it's time for ICE to recalibrate it's mission.

[Ghost Econ]

Nothing he said makes me think they lost him. If anything, he's telling Trump and his goons they need to go after the state and city leaders to make the protests stop.

[Lathum]

Do they seriously think if the arrest say, Tim Walz, the protests would stop? It would explode, who knows maybe what they want. They are looking for a reason to have another Kent state

[RainMaker]

Do they seriously think if the arrest say, Tim Walz, the protests would stop? It would explode, who knows maybe what they want. They are looking for a reason to have another Kent state

They want chaos. It is why they chose Minnesota in the first place. It's a state that has an independent streak and fights back. It's everything Texas pretends it is.

[Mota]

Sending Tom Homan into MN is an escalation. Here's what Trump just said about Homan's deployment:

"Separately, a major investigation is going on with respect to the massive 20 Billion Dollar, Plus, Welfare Fraud that has taken place in Minnesota, and is at least partially responsible for the violent organized protests going on in the streets," he continued.

"Additionally, the DOJ and Congress are looking at 'Congresswoman' Illhan Omar, who left Somalia with NOTHING, and is now reportedly worth more than 44 Million Dollars. Time will tell all," he added.

That doesn't sound like the words of someone who is trying to de-escalate.

[RainMaker]

Reminder that Homan was appointed by Obama.

[Drake]

They want chaos. It is why they chose Minnesota in the first place. It's a state that has an independent streak and fights back. It's everything Texas pretends it is.

The thing that kills me about the "Why is Minnesota acting like this when everyone else is laying back and enjoying it" rhetoric is that it's like people forgot who the president was during George Floyd and all the things he had to say about their city and state about it.

It's like trying to talk about a college basketball game while conveniently omitting that these two teams have been heated rivals for the last century.

Why Minnesota? Because Fuck that Guy.

[RainMaker]

The state elected Jessie Ventura ffs. They are not built like the rest.

[Fidatelo]

The good thing about it being Homan investigating is they might just be able to hand him a paper bag of cash to go away.

[RainMaker]

I'm not asking 'the Democrats to save me'. But there is a difference between being a weak/ineffective opposition and actively instigating authoritarianism.


I think you vastly underestimate their incomptence. Them doing nothing would probably be better than whatever the fuck they are trying to do. Like look at this shit lol

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[flere-imsaho]

Holy shit, when ICE has lost Greg Abbott things are bad. He said it's time for ICE to recalibrate it's mission.

I'm pretty sure what he wants is them to stop shooting white people and do a better job making sure it doesn't get caught on camera.

[Atocep]

Ilhan Omar attacked at a town hall. A guy charged at her and squirted her with some substance. He was tackled and arrested. She's a bad ass though. She charged at him ready to throw hands before security got to him.

[Lathum]

Twisted MAGA logic will claim she deserved it despite Trump going after her for weeks while also claiming Tim Walz is responsible for all the anti ICE rhetoric and should be arrested.

[GrantDawg]

Everything is now in place for a major strike on Iran. This time it seems they plan to strike command and control targets.

[NobodyHere]

The food pyramid just got turned upside down. Here’s why (https://www.wjbf.com/lifestyle/the-food-pyramid-just-got-turned-upside-down-heres-why/)

South Park predicted the future!

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[RainMaker]

It is kind of wild how the media is mostly ignoring what is happening to the dollar. I kean I get it in a way because of their owners but still, pretty wild.

[GrantDawg]

The FBI served a warrant on the Fulton County (Atlanta) board of elections, and took pretty much everything. How do they plan to win elections? Harass and disrupt elections in the bluest areas to suppress their votes. As Trump said "We won't need elections anymore."

[Mota]

I'm sure they'll have ICE at the voting stations, ready to arrest anyone who looks like they'll vote D. "They looked illegal"

Might want to wear a MAGA hat to vote, just to make sure you get guaranteed access.

[RainMaker]

They'll just claim the results were rigged and not seat people.

[flere-imsaho]

They'll do both, and more.

[RainMaker]

Schumer is preparing his sternly worded letter.

[RainMaker]

I'm not asking 'the Democrats to save me'. But there is a difference between being a weak/ineffective opposition and actively instigating authoritarianism.


You're right. I didn't see that they had a plan lol.


<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEWS — Chuck Schumer just announced Dem demands on DHS and ICE<br><br>- end roving patrols, altering warrant rules<br>- uniform code of conduct and accountability, <br>- get rid of masks, body cameras required<br><br>As we reported earlier this week, these ideas were gaining steam in the caucus <a href="https://t.co/PpUOIP3kp8">https://t.co/PpUOIP3kp8</a></p>&mdash; Stephen Neukam (@stephen_neukam) <a href="https://twitter.com/stephen_neukam/status/2016601225177735244?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2026</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[GrantDawg]

It is kind of wild how the media is mostly ignoring what is happening to the dollar. I kean I get it in a way because of their owners but still, pretty wild.

The dollar is dropping while the trade deficit is rising. It hit a 34 year high. When the dollar is weak it usually decreases the deficit, as US goods are cheaper for buyers while import prices rise. What us happening now is other countries are actively dodging US imports while we pay more for imports both from actual cost and tariffs. So much winning.

[JPhillips]

Trump is suing the IRS for 10 billion.

What stops him from ordering a settlement?

[Mota]

The US government was mad because Canada took out an ad that used Ronald Reagan quotes.

Now we're finding out that the US is meeting with Alberta separatists, and actually funding them. They are actively trying to destabilize the country. Yet that seems to be fine with them.

That's the rule of law not existing anymore. The world will reorganize itself without the USA. It'll be hardest for Canada geographically, they'll probably suffer the most, but the rest of the world will be fine. It'll just take time.

[flere-imsaho]

Schumer is preparing his sternly worded letter.

Honestly, the idea to split off DHS funding from the main continuation bill is not a terrible one if your plan is to then do everything you can to keep the DHS funding bill from passing, which is certainly within the realm of possibility if you can whip your caucus and get a few MAGAGOP defectors who feel ICE polls poorly for them. It's pretty much exactly what McConnell would have done if put in the same position.

I just don't have any faith that current Democratic leadership would execute properly. We'll hear a lot about "well, if we prove untrustworthy this time, they'll never believe us again", which is why they keep getting taken to the cleaners.

[RainMaker]

Honestly, the idea to split off DHS funding from the main continuation bill is not a terrible one if your plan is to then do everything you can to keep the DHS funding bill from passing, which is certainly within the realm of possibility if you can whip your caucus and get a few MAGAGOP defectors who feel ICE polls poorly for them. It's pretty much exactly what McConnell would have done if put in the same position.

I just don't have any faith that current Democratic leadership would execute properly. We'll hear a lot about "well, if we prove untrustworthy this time, they'll never believe us again", which is why they keep getting taken to the cleaners.

They're just delaying it till the anger dies down before caving. They support ICE even though their base doesn't. Worthless party of losers.

[RainMaker]

Trump is suing the IRS for 10 billion.

What stops him from ordering a settlement?

The crazy thing is it is for actions the IRS took in 2019 and 2020 when he was President.

[HerRealName]

Did they arrest Lemon and the other journalist to try to bury the Epstein document release?

[RainMaker]

It was either that or bomb Iran I guess.

[RainMaker]

After reading through some of those new Epstein files, we are definitely bombing Iran.

[Thomkal]

Just saw this on the Athletic-New York Giants co-owner Steve Tisch:


(sorry if you can't see this)


Jeffrey Epstein scouted women for New York Giants co-owner Steve Tisch, emails show - The Athletic (https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7010511/2026/01/30/steve-tisch-epstein-files-ny-giants/?campaign=16703255&source=athletic_breaking_targeted_email&userId=12743780)

[RainMaker]

Imagine paying like $250 million to get Trump elected and he doesn't even bother to scrub you from the Epstein files.

[Ghost Econ]

I like how 2 weeks ago they said only about 1% of the files had been released and now they're saying this is the final release.

Imagine how bad the rest of the files they refuse to release must be.

[flere-imsaho]

There's one that indicates that Bill Gates got an STD from one of the girls and was trying to find out how to get antibiotics to give to his wife without her (the wife) knowing.

[Lathum]

TMZ has some crazy shit right now

[Ghost Econ]

At least if you're into scat videos, this President has you covered... Also covered, his diapers and oval office chair.

[RainMaker]

Kind of funny that Elon was begging to hang out on the island but was too big of a loser for even the pedophile guys to want to hang with him.

[Atocep]

Kind of funny that Elon was begging to hang out on the island but was too big of a loser for even the pedophile guys to want to hang with him.

And suddenly Elon isn't interested in the Epstein files anymore and is calling them a distraction.

He seemed really confident that this administration would cover for him because everything in the files he's been denying ever happened.

[RainMaker]

And suddenly Elon isn't interested in the Epstein files anymore and is calling them a distraction.

He seemed really confident that this administration would cover for him because everything in the files he's been denying ever happened.

Total pedophile controlled government.

[Atocep]

The city of Minneapolis really needs to win the next Nobel Peace Prize. The Trump meltdown would be incredible.

[JPhillips]

Crazy that the 4 chan home of Q-Anon was started by a guy who was friends with Epstein.

[RainMaker]

Oh lord Elon sent one of those emails on Christmas morning.

[JPhillips]

With an estimated 54% of the vote in the Dem is leading by 13 points in a Trump +17 TX state Senate district. They are on track for 100k votes, so it isn't such a small total that anything can happen.

[JPhillips]

The Dem won easily.

The GOP has two problems, swing voters hate them and GOP voters aren't motivated to vote for anyone if Trump isn't on the ballot. I bet a lot of TX GOPers are sweating the new maps they made for 2026.

[GrantDawg]

The Dem won easily.

The GOP has two problems, swing voters hate them and GOP voters aren't motivated to vote for anyone if Trump isn't on the ballot. I bet a lot of TX GOPers are sweating the new maps they made for 2026.




The Republican spent $2.4 million on this race. The Democrat barely spent $400k. Of course this could be the same case like the recent Georgia state seat where most likely that money was just lining the pockets of "consultants" and hardly anything was spent to actually sway votes. Still, to spend that kind of money in a +17 GOP district and still lose is crazy.

[Lathum]

I heard somewhere that when they redrew the districts they were extremely confident they would maintain Latino support and some of the new districts are heavily Latino. Since then their support with Latinos has cratered.

[Qwikshot]

I heard somewhere that when they redrew the districts they were extremely confident they would maintain Latino support and some of the new districts are heavily Latino. Since then their support with Latinos has cratered.

I wonder why it cratered?

[Thomkal]

Democrats hadn't won that district in Tx since 1991

[Atocep]

Total pedophile controlled government.

This release showed by Steve Bannon told his listeners that if Dems win control of the White House again "we're all going to jail".

[Atocep]

I just saw the video of where Trump clearly shit himself while signing an executive order, cut the event short, and his people rushed the media out of the room. I can't believe this is the timeline we're living in.

[Lathum]

The lady in green behind him takes a direct hit.

[flere-imsaho]

This release showed by Steve Bannon told his listeners that if Dems win control of the White House again "we're all going to jail".

Just like in 2021. Oh wait.

[GrantDawg]

Democrats hadn't won that district in Tx since 1991

Even more interesting, the voter party break down was 51% Repiblican, 35% Democrat. The Democrat won with 57% of the vote.

[Thomkal]

Even more interesting, the voter party break down was 51% Repiblican, 35% Democrat. The Democrat won with 57% of the vote.


very nice

[Thomkal]

Lol. He now says that he wasn't involved in that-that's a local race even though he made a last second endorsement. Very sane indeed.

[Lathum]

Collin Allred out there knee capping James Talarico

[RainMaker]

Allred is the establishment Dem who will get the party support because he raises a lot of money. Doesn't matter that he loses, the money raising is what is important here (and being loyal to Israel).

[RainMaker]

FINALLY THE DEMOCRATS SHOW SOME FIGHT!
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Schumer: <br><br>“I have many jobs as leader.. and one is to fight for aid to Israel — all the aid that Israel needs. I will continue to fight for it. <br><br>“We delivered more security assistance to Israel, our ally, under my leadership than ever, ever before. We will keep doing that.” <a href="https://t.co/qXMONmyiYj">pic.twitter.com/qXMONmyiYj</a></p>&mdash; Jacob N. Kornbluh (@jacobkornbluh) <a href="https://twitter.com/jacobkornbluh/status/2018091855787798654?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 1, 2026</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[JPhillips]

Allred is the establishment Dem who will get the party support because he raises a lot of money. Doesn't matter that he loses, the money raising is what is important here (and being loyal to Israel).

That doesn't really explain this, though because he's endorsed Crockett. Schumer would much rather have Talarico run.

[RainMaker]

That doesn't really explain this, though because he's endorsed Crockett. Schumer would much rather have Talarico run.

I doubt it.

Senate hopeful Talarico says he'll call for ban on sale of offensive military weapons to Israel - San Antonio Current (https://www.sacurrent.com/news/politics-and-elections/talarico-says-he-will-ban-sale-of-offensive-weapons-to-israel/)

Crockett is kind of the perfect person for losers like Allred to get behind. She will trash talk Republicans and can position herself as anti-Trump but will never vote against the party's donors. A performative "progressive". She is also incredibly fucking stupid and easy to control.

[JPhillips]

A little confusing, but it sounds like the GOP is going to nuke the filibuster to pass the SAVE Act.

[Atocep]

A little confusing, but it sounds like the GOP is going to nuke the filibuster to pass the SAVE Act.

Even with the current SCOTUS I don't know how that would stand, as is. It makes voting far harder for women compared to men. ACB would be guaranteed to vote against it, meaning they'd need one of Kavanaugh, Roberts, and Gorsuch to strike it down.

It seems like they would be burning a ton of political capital and setting themselves up to pay a much bigger price down the road by pushing it through.

[RainMaker]

Wait you can just nuke the filibuster to pass stuff you want??????

[PilotMan]

If they do, the Senate ceases to function from here on out any differently from the House. It actually moves us one step closer to removal of the EC since it gives outsized voting power based on geography.

[RainMaker]

If they do, the Senate ceases to function from here on out any differently from the House. It actually moves us one step closer to removal of the EC since it gives outsized voting power based on geography.

The filibuster rules were made in the late 70's. It's a dumb rule that gives too much power to the minority. Senate managed for 200 years before that without a stink.

If anything, the Senate should be abolished because it is DEI for small states.

[Qwikshot]

The filibuster rules were made in the late 70's. It's a dumb rule that gives too much power to the minority. Senate managed for 200 years before that without a stink.

If anything, the Senate should be abolished because it is DEI for small states.

I recall a civil war in there somewhere.

[GrantDawg]

The filibuster has existed in the Senate since 1806. The current rules have been in place in the late 70's that made the filibuster more symbolic and easier to use, but there has always been a way for the minority to block particularly divisive laws from being passed.

[Lathum]

TPUSA announced their halftime show line up and it’s even sadder than you would expect. They really are pathetic.

[GrantDawg]

TPUSA announced their halftime show line up and it’s even sadder than you would expect. They really are pathetic.
How did I know that the headliner was going to be Kid Rock?

[Ghost Econ]

I'm actually giddy that so many old racists who hated Kid Rock in the 90s are now going to listen to his shitty music out of spite.

[Lathum]

How did I know that the headliner was going to be Kid Rock?

I don’t do poly market type stuff but I wish I had checked because that’s the lock of the century.

[Lathum]

This Don Lemon story is so emblematic about how for the last decade MAGA feels that if Trump thinks something should be legal or illegal it automatically is regardless of what the actual law or constitution says.

[Atocep]

This Don Lemon story is so emblematic about how for the last decade MAGA feels that if Trump thinks something should be legal or illegal it automatically is regardless of what the actual law or constitution says.

They just want to see people punished. They're miserable people that get off when they think someone is suffering, bonus points if it's a POC. It's their kink.

[RainMaker]

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It was an honor to meet with the leader of the Venezuelan democratic movement and Nobel Peace Prize laureate, María Corina Machado, to discuss our support for a free and democratic Venezuela.<br> <br>Her bravery and resilience are an inspiration for all who stand for freedom. <a href="https://t.co/fCT6STOLIb">pic.twitter.com/fCT6STOLIb</a></p>&mdash; Chuck Schumer (@SenSchumer) <a href="https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/2018120999531880851?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2026</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

[JPhillips]

There will be a 22 ft golden statue of Trump to greet the G-7 leaders.

In related news: Exodus 32

[Drake]

There will be a 22 ft golden statue of Trump to greet the G-7 leaders.

In related news: Exodus 32

Daniel 3 has entered the chat.

[Thomkal]

I saw today that Speaker Johnson has a different interpretation of immigration in the Bible than the Pope the man who's studied and lived by the Bible more than anyone else.

[Atocep]

A little confusing, but it sounds like the GOP is going to nuke the filibuster to pass the SAVE Act.

It looks like Trump made this promise to get votes for the funding bill and Thune has no actual interest in nuking the filibuster so they're looking into just making the dems hold the floor. Thune isn't really want to do this either as it locks up legislation but he has to show he did something to appease Trump.

[JPhillips]

I'm all in on Ossoff crushing Derek Dooley as a shit football coach. The first ad even kills him for 13 men on the field.

[flere-imsaho]

So, turns out QANON was right about there being an international ring of elites who trafficked in pedophilia. Sure, they were wrong about the part where it was based out of a pizza parlour in New Jersey, but on the big picture, spot on.

[JPhillips]

Well the 4 Chan /pol where it started was founded by a friend of Epstein.

[Ghost Econ]

Reset the "Days since the President compared black people to monkeys" banner.

[Ksyrup]

So, turns out QANON was right about there being an international ring of elites who trafficked in pedophilia. Sure, they were wrong about the part where it was based out of a pizza parlour in New Jersey, but on the big picture, spot on.

Actually, I've come to the opposite conclusion. I haven't seen a real smoking gun about any pedophilia outside of Epstein. All of these elites panicking about being linked to Epstein seem to have been (correctly) concerned about being linked to him on friendly terms well after his horrible behavior was known. That's potentially damaging in and of itself. I feel like for the vast majority of these people, the friendly communications or advice they give him, their willingness to still be friendly or do business with him, their knowledge (sometimes intimate) about what he was doing, is what they didn't want to come out.

I mean, sure, a few of them probably partook in the action on an isolated basis, but I don't see that as being the main reason these people wanted the "Epstein stuff" to go away.

[GrantDawg]

Actually, I've come to the opposite conclusion. I haven't seen a real smoking gun about any pedophilia outside of Epstein. All of these elites panicking about being linked to Epstein seem to have been (correctly) concerned about being linked to him on friendly terms well after his horrible behavior was known. That's potentially damaging in and of itself. I feel like for the vast majority of these people, the friendly communications or advice they give him, their willingness to still be friendly or do business with him, their knowledge (sometimes intimate) about what he was doing, is what they didn't want to come out.

I mean, sure, a few of them probably partook in the action on an isolated basis, but I don't see that as being the main reason these people wanted the "Epstein stuff" to go away.
That's what I see as well. It is the embarrassment of being friendly with a known sex offender more than being an actual participant in his crimes. For certain there are some really damning stuff in there of those that did, like the Andrew formally known as prince.

[flere-imsaho]

So you guys don't think Trump groped underage girls with Epstein, even when Trump admitted on tape that he did so at the Miss Teen World pageant he ran?

Yes, sure, let's wait until some (probably fictional) day when someone trustworthy sifts through all the files, but there's a lot of lightly to heavily smoldering guns in there.

[Ksyrup]

I think a few people were involved in some of this, sure. Maybe/probably Trump is one of them. But as a whole, I think there are a bunch of people with sway and money enough to try to make this go away simply because they don't want their affiliation with him known. Like Goldman Sachs' GC, the Harvard law professor, the Paul Weiss managing partner, etc.

[NobodyHere]

So you guys don't think Trump groped underage girls with Epstein, even when Trump admitted on tape that he did so at the Miss Teen World pageant he ran?

Yes, sure, let's wait until some (probably fictional) day when someone trustworthy sifts through all the files, but there's a lot of lightly to heavily smoldering guns in there.

I don't think we're going to find any evidence Trump committing r*pe in the Epstein files. If there were then it would've been political/moral malpractice by Joe Biden not to expose it or bring charges in during his administration.

[flere-imsaho]

You guys are a lot more gracious in your benefit of the doubt than I am.

I don't think the majority of people named in the Epstein Files did this kind of stuff, sure, but I still think we're talking about a LOT of people who did.

And I already think it was political/moral malpractice by Biden & Garland not to bring charges (and release properly redacted files) during Biden's administration.

[Lathum]

Reset the "Days since the President compared black people to monkeys" banner.

This is fucking bonkers and literally would be a career ender for anyone else. The includes business leaders, teachers, etc...The fact that MAGA will defend this is so morally bankrupt.

[JPhillips]

We don't really know with the Epstein stuff because so much has been hed back and redacted. At best, there are a lot of people comfortable hanging out with the known pedo. That should have a cost, IMO.

[flere-imsaho]

I love how Bill Gates used Epstein to get connected with Russian prostitutes, contracted an STD from one of them, then got Epstein to help him procure an antibiotic for the STD which he then intended to give to his (Gates') wife surreptitiously.

What a fucking twat.

[Lathum]

I live in a very red area and to look at me you would think I am from MAGA central casting. Went to get my hair cut today and the lady cutting my hair started telling me there is no way she is watching the halftime show. She was lamenting how no big, non liberal, networks aren't showing the TPUSA show and how she just loves Kid Rock. She also said she is pretty sure Carrie Underwood is performing at it. When I told her there is zero chance she is the stylist said maybe she will be a surprise guest. I really wanted to tell her that is Carrie Underwood was they would be promoting it everywhere but I just stayed quiet. She then said shes shocked Dolly Parton isn't performing at it.

It was really emblematic of how MAGA really doesn't grasp everyone hates them and wants nothing to do with them.

[JPhillips]

If the WH excuse for the ape video is true, we really need to know who has access to post as the President. That could start a war.

[Lathum]

Trump has the attention span of a gnat. I suspect he watched the first 10-15 seconds of that video, saw it was about election fraud, then reposted it.

[Ksyrup]

There isn't an excuse. The original reaction/comment where they stand behind it is the truth.

[Ghost Econ]

They canceled the Kid Rock "Rock the Country" festival stop in South Carolina. If you've never been to Anderson, it's not exactly the progressive capital of South Carolina. So to cancel the whole thing isn't a small deal.

'Rock the Country' music festival canceled in Anderson (https://www.wyff4.com/article/rock-the-country-music-festival-canceled-in-anderson/70270252)

[Lathum]

DOW hits 50k for the first time ever and social media is exploding over trumps racist video. That must be making him insane.

[JPhillips]

There isn't an excuse. The original reaction/comment where they stand behind it is the truth.

I agree with this, but we know some unknown number of people have access to the President's social media and given the way he uses it that's really dangerous. We should know when it's Trump and when it's someone else.

[JPhillips]

Dems held a seat in Louisiana that went Trump +13 in 2024. They won by 20+ points.

[JPhillips]

dola

It's almost certainly just a typo, but the draft death announcement for Epstein dated the day before he died certainly won't make any conspiracy theories go away.

[flere-imsaho]

What conspiracy theories? An objective review of what evidence exists more readily suggests homicide than suicide.

[Ghost Econ]

Never forget how shitty conservatives are. Josh Kimbrall is a state senator in SC running for governor. He posted that he and his party were harassed out of a bowling alley by anti-ice protestors. Other reports say he was blitzed out of his mind and was asked to leave by the owners. 2 days ago he whines about woke people being upset about Trump's racist video. He has also been a major proponent of removing "sexual" material from libraries and protecting children.

He is currently under investigation, along with his wife, of stealing $2 million from a business partner. Oh, and a decade ago he was arrested for sexually assaulting his 3 year old. Those charges were later dropped.

He's currently 3rd in the governors race behind Alan Wilson, a morally bankrupt human being who only cares about power, and Nancy Mace, a walking dumpster fire masquerading as a person.

[Ghost Econ]

Never forget how shitty conservatives are. Josh Kimbrall is a state senator in SC running for governor. He posted that he and his party were harassed out of a bowling alley by anti-ice protestors. Other reports say he was blitzed out of his mind and was asked to leave by the owners. 2 days ago he whines about woke people being upset about Trump's racist video. He has also been a major proponent of removing "sexual" material from libraries and protecting children.

He is currently under investigation, along with his wife, of stealing $2 million from a business partner. Oh, and a decade ago he was arrested for sexually assaulting his 3 year old. Those charges were later dropped.

He's currently 3rd in the governors race behind Alan Wilson, a morally bankrupt human being who only cares about power, and Nancy Mace, a walking dumpster fire masquerading as a person.

[GrantDawg]

I hadn't heard much about the Minnesota governors race since Waltz bowed out a few weeks ago, but my son told me yesterday that Amy Klobuchar is running and is pretty much unopposed from the Dem side. I was surprised because she had a pretty good gig in the Senate and thought she might make another presidential run. It will be interesting to see who they choose to finish her term (she still has four years). He said it looks like the more progressive Lt. Governor is going to win the nom to take Tina Smith's seat there (she is not running for reelection).
He is going to be a delegate to the state Democratic Farmer-Labour party, btw. He decided to get involved in the local politics.

[Thomkal]

Look during the Super Bowl for an ad from some Epstein survivors to attorney general Pam Bondi:


Epstein survivors drop Super Bowl Sunday ad calling out Pam Bondi: 'We deserve Truth' - Raw Story (https://www.rawstory.com/pam-bondi-epstein-2675158071/)

[JPhillips]

Just in terms of voting, I'm not sure it will help the GOP to repeatedly tell Spanish speakers that they suck.

[Mota]

I think their goal is to not let Spanish speakers vote.

[JPhillips]

The head of OB/GYN at Ohio State was on a 75k a year retainer for Epstein.

Jesus.

[JPhillips]

dola

Trump's religious liberty group got sidetracked yesterday when one of the members asked if she was an anti-Semite because she believes Jews killed Jesus.

[Ghost Econ]

Selling something on Marketplace, so I have to at least open Facebook to get there. While trying to click before anything loads, I for some reason got recommended a random person's musings on the stabbing of the gubernatorial candidate's daughter in Minnesota. It was something about Tim Walz making a deal with actual demons and how evil the Democrats and the state are. She was killed by her husband.

American Christianity may be irreparably broken and in its current form seems designed to specifically appeal to people with severe mental illnesses.

[JPhillips]

Peter Navarro: "The jobs report comes out tomorrow. We have to revise our expectations down significantly for what a monthly job number should look like

This is a solid GOP campaign message.

[Lathum]

It really is amazing how the GOP constantly contradicts themselves yet MAGA lacks the critical thinking skills to see right through it

Jobs will be less because we got rid of all the illegals who were stealing your jobs yet they are all lazy, murderous, rapists who live off your tax dollars while also buying up all the 500K houses. Yet they all work under the table and if they were indeed stealing jobs from whites how come those jobs they were working haven't been replaced with the poor whites?

[Ksyrup]

This is a solid GOP campaign message.

They should just rename the bad ones the Joe Biden Jobs Report.

[Thomkal]

The head of OB/GYN at Ohio State was on a 75k a year retainer for Epstein.

Jesus.


Gotta an article/news report on this? Would like to stay up to date on the newest Epstein reveals

[Atocep]

How in the hell has Lutnick not resigned yet?

[Thomkal]

Selling something on Marketplace, so I have to at least open Facebook to get there. While trying to click before anything loads, I for some reason got recommended a random person's musings on the stabbing of the gubernatorial candidate's daughter in Minnesota. It was something about Tim Walz making a deal with actual demons and how evil the Democrats and the state are. She was killed by her husband.

American Christianity may be irreparably broken and in its current form seems designed to specifically appeal to people with severe mental illnesses.


I think there has to be some sort of multi-faith religious group with strong speaking skills that talk 'religious nationalists" down from the ledge and realize that there hasn't been God of any faith who has made an appearance here on Earth in a long long time, and until/if one shows up you have to temper our expectations. Stop ignoring what the leaders of your faith like the Pope are saying and find a new way forward for religion to have a real place in the world.

[Atocep]

Gotta an article/news report on this? Would like to stay up to date on the newest Epstein reveals

Access to this page has been denied (https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/ohio-state-university/jeffrey-epstein-made-regular-payments-to-ohio-state-head-of-gynecology-records-show/)

[Thomkal]

Thanks!

[Lathum]

How in the hell has Lutnick not resigned yet?

They all subscribe to the Trump playbook. Never apologize. Double down on everything and wait for the next scandal to come along.

[Passacaglia]

I think there has to be some sort of multi-faith religious group with strong speaking skills that talk 'religious nationalists" down from the ledge and realize that there hasn't been God of any faith who has made an appearance here on Earth in a long long time, and until/if one shows up you have to temper our expectations. Stop ignoring what the leaders of your faith like the Pope are saying and find a new way forward for religion to have a real place in the world.

"We have to revise our expectations down significantly for what a monthly prophet number should look like"

[JPhillips]

"We have to revise our expectations down significantly for what a monthly prophet number should look like"

This is high quality and deserves recognition.

[Atocep]

They all subscribe to the Trump playbook. Never apologize. Double down on everything and wait for the next scandal to come along.

It's crazy, but not surprising, how quickly MAGA moved on from the Epstein files once it became clear that it didn't align with QANON and pizzagate conspiracies. They pretended to care about children, when it reality they were hoping to take down democrats. Now they're just owning being the pro-pedo party.

Lutnick blatantly lied about his ties to Epstein for years and now that the truth is out there he hasn't resigned, hasn't apologized, hasn't addressed it.

I've seen countless people on facebook and other social media, when given the scenario of Trump sexually abusing their daughter/granddaughter, say they would forgive him. MAGA is going to cause generations of fallout damage for families.

[Ghost Econ]

It's crazy, but not surprising, how quickly MAGA moved on from the Epstein files once it became clear that it didn't align with QANON and pizzagate conspiracies. They pretended to care about children, when it reality they were hoping to take down democrats. Now they're just owning being the pro-pedo party.

Lutnick blatantly lied about his ties to Epstein for years and now that the truth is out there he hasn't resigned, hasn't apologized, hasn't addressed it.

I've seen countless people on facebook and other social media, when given the scenario of Trump sexually abusing their daughter/granddaughter, say they would forgive him. MAGA is going to cause generations of fallout damage for families.

I mean, look at any instance of a pastor cheating on their wives or molesting children. The response is always "don't cast stones," or it was a long time ago or the girl was asking for it. They don't actually give a shit about future generations, they just want to be revered like they revere past generations (of white people).

[Atocep]

The National Governor's association canceled its meeting with Trump when they get together for their conference later this month because Trump was only going to invite GOP governors. This is pushback from the GOP that you would have never seen during his first term. Everyone knows he's a failing president that's going to get them killed in the midterms.

[Atocep]

6 names of Epstein associates Ro Khanna dropped on the house floor today while GOP chair Lisa McClain tried to shut him up.

Les Wexner
Sultan Ahmed bin Saleem
Salvatore Nara
Zurab Mikeladze
Leonic Leonov
Nicola Caputo

[Lathum]

The National Governor's association canceled its meeting with Trump when they get together for their conference later this month because Trump was only going to invite GOP governors. This is pushback from the GOP that you would have never seen during his first term. Everyone knows he's a failing president that's going to get them killed in the midterms.

Wow.

I know this story was getting a lor of steam, especially Wes Moore getting uninvited from a dinner, but the fact the GOP has shown a spine is staggering.

Hopefully them and GOP secretaries of state show a similar spine when he tries to steal the midterms.

[RainMaker]

How in the hell has Lutnick not resigned yet?

It is the Epstein administration.

[Thomkal]

6 names of Epstein associates Ro Khanna dropped on the house floor today while GOP chair Lisa McClain tried to shut him up.

Les Wexner
Sultan Ahmed bin Saleem
Salvatore Nara
Zurab Mikeladze
Leonic Leonov
Nicola Caputo


+1 Ro Khanna

[Lathum]

We truly live in the stupidest of times.

House Republicans eye official investigation into Bad Bunny’s Super Bowl halftime show (https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/house-republicans-eye-official-investigation-into-bad-bunnys-super-bowl-halftime-show)

[RainMaker]

LOL

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-886244

[Ksyrup]

We truly live in the stupidest of times.

House Republicans eye official investigation into Bad Bunny’s Super Bowl halftime show (https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/house-republicans-eye-official-investigation-into-bad-bunnys-super-bowl-halftime-show)

"The halftime show is horrible because nobody can understand this guy ... but also, I'm going to highlight some of the lyrics with English translations of stuff you'd never know he was saying!"

[RainMaker]

I swear to God I'm going to lose my mind if I have to continue to hear about Super Bowl halftime shows. Like who the fuck cares??!?!?

[dubb93]

I saw Kid Rock in concert once and he had legit strippers naked dancing in cages butt ass naked no parties and all on stage at an all ages show. I was 17 and in the pit. I’m pretty sure he was lip synching then too.

Hard to believe he’s the Christian alternative at this point.

[Ksyrup]

I mean, most artists are not conservative. It's the nature of art. So they cling to whomever they can get. And even if some artists are conservative because of economics, they rarely are outspoken on social issues which is basically all the GOP is at this point.

[Drake]

I swear to God I'm going to lose my mind if I have to continue to hear about Super Bowl halftime shows. Like who the fuck cares??!?!?

I was telling my kids that I haven't actually watched a Super Bowl halftime show since U2 in 2002. (The streak is still alive, btw.)

[GrantDawg]

Ummmmm....what?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/flights-el-paso-airport-texas-halted-10-days-security-reasons-faa-rcna258497

[Thomkal]

Ummmmm....what?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/flights-el-paso-airport-texas-halted-10-days-security-reasons-faa-rcna258497


invading Mexico? attacking cartels? something with immigrants? I'm sure Trump will post on Truth Social about it...