The Trump Presidency 2.0

[Edward64]

Not my guy but Americans have spoken. And this time, there is no doubt they understand who they were voting for.

I'm really interested in the post-mortem demographics - sex, age, ethnicity etc. Also, what is Joe thinking now?

And to add salt to the wound, Trump is winning the popular vote, GOP wins the Senate and currently leading 193-173 in the House. But I'm okay with any President getting the honeymoon in the first 2 years to enact policies that voters put him/her in there for.

Oh ... and also looks like Trumpism/MAGA will continue to be a force in 2028 and beyond.


See Chapter 1 here

The Trump Presidency – 2016 - Front Office Football Central (https://forums.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=92014)

[Edward64]

My Chapter 2 hopes in no particular order


Secure the borders and reform immigration
Grow the economy & stock market
Reduce the deficit & stabilize the debt, fix Social Security/Medicare
Continue building & strengthening alliances in Asia, bring down the temperature in the region (e.g. Taiwan)
Resolve the Ukrainian & ME wars
Continue the Abraham accords progress and somehow, help/resolve the Iran issue
Invest/bring strategic capabilities/assets into the US or allies (e.g. building TSMC plants, rare earth metals, oil etc.). Continue building out EVs & infrastructure
Resolve the "culture wars"



Pretty optimistic about (1) (2), they're my 2 consolation prizes.

I don't think (3) will be resolved at all. Social Security/Medicare will be the 2028 guy. The later we address this, the more it'll cost. Deficit and debt ... utterly hopeless.

Somewhat optimistic about (4). Trump was first to acknowledge China as a real threat and not dance around the edges. But then, I can see Trump cutting a deal with China and then losing focus in the region/Taiwan.

For (5), feel bad for Ukraine but we gave it 3 years, spent $150-$200B (?) and you have your own buddies in the neighborhood. Won't taste good, but got to cut a deal, lose some of your territory, rebuild, move on, and aim to become part of EU/NATO later.

Am optimistic about (6) Abraham accords. The big one missing is Saudi Arabia and think Trump can make it happen, especially because of the Iranian threat. As far as how to deal with Iran, it comes down to carrot or stick and suspect it'll be a stick.

Somewhat optimistic about (7). Assume Musk will be playing a role with the EVs & infrastructure. The asshole will get richer but overall, the country wins long-term.

Not optimistic about (8), too many moving parts, too many strong differing opinions. Probably impossible. The needle will move some towards the right but the "war" will continue long after Trump is gone.

[Thomkal]

I will not be participating in this thread. Good luck America you are going to need it

[Lathum]

Pretty optimistic about (1) (2), they're my 2 consolation prizes.

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Everything I have seen says his tariffs will be a disaster. His last term he ballooned the deficit by giving a massive tax cut to his rich buddies. Why are you optimistic?

[Edward64]

Everything I have seen says his tariffs will be a disaster. His last term he ballooned the deficit by giving a massive tax cut to his rich buddies. Why are you optimistic?

I agree his tariffs, if implemented fully (e.g. 100% with China, 20% with everyone else), will be a disaster. But then, I don't believe it'll get to that point. He's using the bluster to negotiate, bully, intimidate etc. to get what he wants.

Bottom-line. He'll act in his own self interest. Sure, some segments may get screwed, other segments will get preference, but it's in his best interest to make sure the economy is humming and the markets are growing. He's thinking legacy now.

re: the debt & deficit. He'll kick the can down the road. Like I say, both sides ... utterly hopeless.

[Lathum]

I think we will be in a much worse place on the international stage than we were 4 years ago. I think leaving NATO is a bridge too far but he will use the threat of that to try and get what he wants.

I think the real danger is he is so easily manipulated, just look at how Harris played him over crowd size, that leaders like Xi, Putin, etc...are going to completely play him to get what they want.

[JPhillips]

Some legislative things I expect given complete GOP control.

Mifepristone ban(at least by mail, maybe total)
ACA repeal
CHIPS repeal
Permanent tax cuts
Some level of transgender ban
15 week abortion limit
Some sort of crypto insurance
Maybe a national property insurance plan to bail out FL

At the state level I'd be shocked if there aren't attempts to roll back gay marriage and birth control. May not succeed, but the right is going to try everything in the next two years.

[flere-imsaho]

Agreed with JPhillips list, would add state-level legislation to make voting significantly more difficult. Will depend on the state, but everything from removing early voting to requiring multiple forms of ID to routine & aggressive voter roll purges.

[Ksyrup]

Especially since the numbers tell a striking story - in 2020, when Covid made expanded voting options a necessity, Dems had 81M votes. The numbers we're seeing now are down nearly 20% in Dem voters. You can blame some, maybe even a lot, of it on the Dems and the candidate, but I think access played a pretty large role as well. Trump, by comparison, was down only about 3M votes, or less than 4%, from 2020.

[Lathum]

What do they benefit from removing the ACA and CHIPS act other than undoing Obama/Biden policies?

Tens of millions of their supporters benefit from these acts and I don't see them being so self sabotaging.

I absolutely think some states will repeal gay marriage and it will be an all out war on trans people.

[JPhillips]

What do they benefit from removing the ACA and CHIPS act other than undoing Obama/Biden policies?

Tens of millions of their supporters benefit from these acts and I don't see them being so self sabotaging.

I absolutely think some states will repeal gay marriage and it will be an all out war on trans people.

Trump and Johnson have both said they are going to repeal these.

[HerRealName]

I recently gave a small amount of money to a former classmate who is on disability/Medicaid and had their car breakdown. She is celebrating over Trump on her gofundme page. I'm sure things will great for them now.

[JPhillips]

Mayor Adams is going to go hard Trump as a way to get the FBI off his back.

And it will probably work.

[NobodyHere]

Everything I have seen says his tariffs will be a disaster.

He's probably already forgotten about the tariffs.

[NobodyHere]

What are the odds that JD Vance becomes president before 2029?

[Lathum]

Trump and Johnson have both said they are going to repeal these.

Johnson walked it back almost immediately regarding the ACA

[Kodos]

Pretty decent. Although they let Reagan continue despite being mentally diminished at the end.

[Kodos]

Johnson walked it back almost immediately regarding the ACA

Of course, that was before the election. It may look more palatable to him now.

[PilotMan]

If anything fails, there will be a scapegoat, and that scapegoat will pay.



There is no truthier truth than this.




Welcome to the new world of American White Supremacy.

[Lathum]

Of course, that was before the election. It may look more palatable to him now.

Maybe I am naively optimistic but I don't think they take away health care for 40 million people a lot of whom are members of their party. Trump may not care but I would imagine a lot of lawmakers wouldn't be on board with it.

[PilotMan]

Why not? It's borne of the devil, it must be exorcised. These people need to get their shit together and get off the backs of us real americans who don't want to pay for their 'cancer'.

[PilotMan]

So I'm thinking we give NASA to Musk and then he can be "President of Space"? Anything is possible in the new world.

[PilotMan]

I for one, will be happy to see the end of multi-ethnic commercials. We need some more whites up in there, and get back to what's really important.

[Ksyrup]

Heh, I texted my boss this morning that I thought I was out of "floating holidays" (we give 9 holidays off and another discretionary 5 "floating holidays" in addition to PTO), so I was going to take a "drowning holiday" today. He thought I was serious.

I called him around 10:30 when I hadn't heard from him, and he had told everyone in the office not to bother me today.

I mean, I ain't some fuckin' snowflake who thinks stupid shit like mental health is real. What a dick!

Was that response MAGA enough? I want to make sure I assimilate properly beyond being a 50+ white male.

[dubb93]

I really don’t know how an ACA repeal would look for me. I assume I’d just not have health insurance and need to find a new job or likely career that offers it. My current job decided that funding their own healthcare plan was too expensive so they give us a stipend to spend on the exchange. It does cover the entire premium for my family plan but without a mandate to provide insurance and no exchange in place I’m sure they would just stop supplying insurance. Ironically, this is a fairly large healthcare system that I work for.

[dubb93]

I’m also trying to figure out how a closure of the Department of Education is going to impact my middle son’s IEP and access to his speech therapist. Best I can tell no Department of Education no funding for either.

Isn’t it just a great Wednesday?

[kingfc22]

It's clear the GOP has the under educated in the bag. They want to continue to ensure it stays that way.

[Passacaglia]

I really don’t know how an ACA repeal would look for me. I assume I’d just not have health insurance and need to find a new job or likely career that offers it. My current job decided that funding their own healthcare plan was too expensive so they give us a stipend to spend on the exchange. It does cover the entire premium for my family plan but without a mandate to provide insurance and no exchange in place I’m sure they would just stop supplying insurance. Ironically, this is a fairly large healthcare system that I work for.

I thought the mandate was dead already. Or did Biden manage to bring it back?

[Lathum]

I’m also trying to figure out how a closure of the Department of Education is going to impact my middle son’s IEP and access to his speech therapist. Best I can tell no Department of Education no funding for either.

Isn’t it just a great Wednesday?

I would assume they throw it to the states and the red states will get dumber and the blue states can decide if they want to spend the money

[dubb93]

I thought the mandate was dead already. Or did Biden manage to bring it back?

Mandate was the wrong term. I’m talking about the requirement of employers to supply health insurance to their employees if they have over a certain amount of employees.

[Lathum]

How much of Europe does Russia control in 2028?

[RainMaker]

Maybe I am naively optimistic but I don't think they take away health care for 40 million people a lot of whom are members of their party. Trump may not care but I would imagine a lot of lawmakers wouldn't be on board with it.

It'll be like NAFTA. Some half cocked change to the existing law that doesn't change much but gives him something to claim he fixed and rename.

[RainMaker]

Some legislative things I expect given complete GOP control.

Mifepristone ban(at least by mail, maybe total)
ACA repeal
CHIPS repeal
Permanent tax cuts
Some level of transgender ban
15 week abortion limit
Some sort of crypto insurance
Maybe a national property insurance plan to bail out FL

At the state level I'd be shocked if there aren't attempts to roll back gay marriage and birth control. May not succeed, but the right is going to try everything in the next two years.

Crypto bailout is coming. The guy who "backs" tether is going to be the news Treasury Secretary and he's been basically running a ponzi scheme for years and needs an out bad.

[Lathum]

We’re gonna have Loomer as press secretary, aren’t we?

[GrantDawg]

So I'm thinking we give NASA to Musk and then he can be "President of Space"? Anything is possible in the new world.
You know what my real expectation is? Trump is going to fuck both him and Robert Kennedy over. Probably Kennedy first, but it is just a matter of time before Musk clashes with Trump's ego and he will be done.

[GrantDawg]

It'll be like NAFTA. Some half cocked change to the existing law that doesn't change much but gives him something to claim he fixed and rename.
Trump-care! Cost more, covers less, all fixed.

[Vegas Vic]

We’re gonna have Loomer as press secretary, aren’t we?

And Marjorie Taylor Greene as Director of National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

[Lathum]

And Marjorie Taylor Greene as Director of National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Actually I believe that agency is in the chopping block, because who needs advance warnings of hurricanes.

[Brian Swartz]

No kidding. We'll just drop nuclear weapons on them and/or draw in the path of the storm in official presidential broadcasts instead of relying on the projections of the professionals.

[MIJB#19]

So I'm thinking we give NASA to Musk and then he can be "President of Space"? Anything is possible in the new world.Trump should man up on his immigration policy, tell Musk to stop eating cats and dogs and send him back to Africa.

[Arles]

Some things I expect given his main supporters and rhetoric:
1. "The Dana White Rule": If a bill is deadlocked 50/50 in the senate, each side gets to nominate a senator to fight in a cage match. Whomever wins gets their side passed.
2. I expect Trump to have Vince McMahon host all the government sexual harassment videos.
3. All White House and staff communication will be Twitter only with Elon Musk as his Chief of Staff.
4. Trump will pass a law to mandate an "old country out-house" style bathroom that all Trans people are forced to use in public buildings.
5. He will thank all the Latinos for their votes as he proceeds to deport all their parents and grandparents.

Should be a fun four years

[flere-imsaho]

1. "The Dana White Rule": If a bill is deadlocked 50/50 in the senate, each side gets to nominate a senator to fight in a cage match. Whomever wins gets their side passed.

To be fair, this is objectively preferable to the filibuster.

[JPhillips]

Johnson walked it back almost immediately regarding the ACA

It's a part of Project 2025 and a lot of that is going to be on the table with a fully GOP government.

edit: It took generations, a historic Dem election, and all of Obama's political capital to make the ACA happen. The GOP can kill it and be reasonably sure nothing will take it's place for twenty years even if people are initially pissed.

[cuervo72]

How much of Europe does Russia control in 2028?

Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine. Possibly some of the Baltics.

Regarding [MAGA] legacy, I almost wonder as much about the natural-born citizen presidential requirement as the third term thing.

[GrantDawg]

It's a part of Project 2025 and a lot of that is going to be on the table with a fully GOP government.

edit: It took generations, a historic Dem election, and all of Obama's political capital to make the ACA happen. The GOP can kill it and be reasonably sure nothing will take it's place for twenty years even if people are initially pissed.
They will repeal it and blame the Dems for it. They always seem to pull that off somehow.

[RainMaker]

Everything I have seen says his tariffs will be a disaster. His last term he ballooned the deficit by giving a massive tax cut to his rich buddies. Why are you optimistic?

I don't understand the anger over tariffs. Biden kept Trump's and even expanded on it. There's a reason you can't buy a cheap EV in this country like you can in the rest of the world.

Don't get me wrong, I think they'll be bad, but I also thought they were bad when Biden did it.

[NobodyHere]

Trump-care! Cost more, covers less, all fixed.

I can't wait until Trump replaces all food stamps with McDonalds coupons.

[PilotMan]

Food stamps will be those things you get while playing the new Monopoly at McDs game.

[Edward64]

I can't wait until Trump replaces all food stamps with McDonalds coupons.

Halfway there already. I keep the BK & Wendy coupons that come in the mail. There are some pretty good deals with 2 or family packs.

[Lathum]

I don't understand the anger over tariffs. Biden kept Trump's and even expanded on it. There's a reason you can't buy a cheap EV in this country like you can in the rest of the world.

Don't get me wrong, I think they'll be bad, but I also thought they were bad when Biden did it.

He literally said he wants to replace all income tax with tariffs. Fucking great for someone like me but it would completely be a regressive tax on the lower and middle class.

How is it going to work out if he deports all the cheap labor while slapping a 20% tariff on imported goods from Mexico?

[PilotMan]

What's going to happen when pron is totally outlawed? These are the real issues at play today.

[JPhillips]

What's going to happen when pron is totally outlawed? These are the real issues at play today.

Somebody is going to have to download it all.

[PilotMan]

Really hard to have good feelings when this is the prevailing notion from the group coming into power:

You people suck, OK?! And now you’re going to pay the price for trying to destroy this country.”

Bannon went on to say that Democrats and their institutions “don’t deserve any respect, you don’t deserve any empathy, and you don’t deserve any pity.… You deserve what we call rough Roman justice, and we’re prepared to give it to you.”

[Brian Swartz]

I don't have positive feelings. I've never been more upset about an election, even in my younger years when I was basically obsessed with politics. I was irrationally irritable today, and then even more irritated with myself for being irritated.

I'll get over it, and my life will be relatively minimally affected anyway. I'm just depressed that there doesn't appear to be any minimum standard to be President of the United States anymore. 20 years ago I wouldn't have believed anyone who told me someone convicted of dozens of felonies, nevermind all the other disqualifying stuff, would be elected again. I think the Republic will limp on for a while, but I don't think it deserves to.

I do not Hail Caesar.

[RainMaker]

One of the biggest mistakes by Biden was making Garland the AG. Just letting all these criminals who fermented violence and insurrection go free only emboldened those people to do worse. He told them that they were above the law and they took advantage of that.

[Schmidty]

Some people are really unhinged about the results of the election and it's bumming me out. Got folks on my Facebook page threatening to unfriend others and stuff if they disagree with them or voted differently. It's very unhealthy and really sad. I didn't even vote, so I can't complain (fighting the power by inaction since '16) but I really hope people don't keep up these overly emotional responses and lose actual friends and family over political crap. Good grief.

[cuervo72]

Eh, I just de friended a dude who has been a little gloaty, called Harris a communist, and showed himself to be transphobic. He’s not a real friend, just played football and baseball as a kid. Not particularly intelligent. Not gonna be a big loss.

[cuervo72]

(I know, some people will say that guy sounds more reasonable than me. Whatever.)

[PilotMan]

Nah, I've done the same today to a former neighbor. More to come I'm sure.

[JPhillips]

This is no good.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mar-a-Lago calling. Just had my first phone conversation with President <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@realDonaldTrump</a> since the elections. We have big plans for the future!</p>&mdash; Orbán Viktor (@PM_ViktorOrban) <a href="https://twitter.com/PM_ViktorOrban/status/1854287917310439854?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Edward64]

Some people are really unhinged about the results of the election and it's bumming me out. Got folks on my Facebook page threatening to unfriend others and stuff if they disagree with them or voted differently. It's very unhealthy and really sad. I didn't even vote, so I can't complain (fighting the power by inaction since '16) but I really hope people don't keep up these overly emotional responses and lose actual friends and family over political crap. Good grief.

I'm pretty sure this has been happening since 2016+. It's always been around, but 2016 really blew it up. It simmered some in 2020 but suspect it's only going to get worse now.

Had a BIL that was posting MAGA stuff in 2016. That's bearable because we could ignore him easily. But then he started texting stuff to family members. There's a difference between "pulling" (facebook) and "pushing" (texting). There were other family members that were Trump supporters but it was even too much for them.

His brother got tired of it and told him to cut it off or else he/other family will put him on the phone's ignore list, off group lists etc. Worked out well.

[Edward64]

I don't have positive feelings. I've never been more upset about an election, even in my younger years when I was basically obsessed with politics. I was irrationally irritable today, and then even more irritated with myself for being irritated.
2016 was the worst for me. That was a complete shock and somewhat upsetting.

2024 was not as much of a surprise. And Trump is a known. Got to the "acceptance" stage pretty quick.

[Edward64]

They will repeal it and blame the Dems for it. They always seem to pull that off somehow.

I don't think they'll repeal it in full. They'll need to attack around it's edges.

They'll cut subsidies/tax credits and push more to states.

[Qwikshot]

2016 was the worst for me. That was a complete shock and somewhat upsetting.

2024 was not as much of a surprise. And Trump is a known. Got to the "acceptance" stage pretty quick.

This is me too.

I feel like Walter Matthau at the end of Fail Safe when they agree to nuke NYC to prevent WW3; he focuses on what needs to be retrieved/protected and then they go and do it.

Nothing good is going to come from this, but that's the reality. I also feel that unlike 2016 which was a fluke; 2024 was the majority speaking. If that's what they want, so be it.

Wife isn't happy; we may look to get dual citizenship, we have some connections. I don't think mainland Europe is going to be a happy place either though.

[Edward64]

I feel like Walter Matthau at the end of Fail Safe when they agree to nuke NYC to prevent WW3; he focuses on what needs to be retrieved/protected and then they go and do it.
It's been a while but I'll need to rewatch it!

I also feel that unlike 2016 which was a fluke; 2024 was the majority speaking. If that's what they want, so be it.
Fully agree.

Wife isn't happy; we may look to get dual citizenship, we have some connections. I don't think mainland Europe is going to be a happy place either though.
Have a German friend. He is working in Sweden and recently told me he got dual Swedish citizenship. He is also worried about the rise of the right wing. Like here, lax immigration control is one of the driving forces.

FWIW, he told me that European countries should be obligated to take in all these refugees/asylees because the west screwed up their countries. Needless to say, we agreed to disagree but it's good to discuss politics & social issues with a European progressive.

[Brian Swartz]

I voted third party in 2016, and it felt to me like the electorate throwing a fit. There was a lot of unknown regarding what Trump would actually do, and Hillary was such a bad candidate (IMO at least) that it was a lot more understandable to me.

Re-electing Trump in a clear choice after never conceding and literally trying to steal the 2020 election, Jan. 6, dozens of felony convictions and many more he should be convicted of, the way that he responded to COVID being just as bad as those things from my perspective; as has been said, I get the economic impulses for why, but the re-election is so very much worse than choosing an unknown the first time around from my perspective.

[GrantDawg]

I don't think they'll repeal it in full. They'll need to attack around it's edges.

They'll cut subsidies/tax credits and push more to states.


I think this is exactly how it will go. "We tried to fix Obamacare flaws, but the Democrats blocked all attempts to save it. So, we just have to repeal it all together for the good of the country."

[JPhillips]

It will come down to whether or not there are two or three GOPers in the House willing to vote no. I expect ACA repeal will be a part of a larger budget bill that can pass through reconciliation. My expectation is that no GOPer votes no and kills the budget.

[Edward64]

Some demographic graphics & concerns for Trump-Kamala supporters. It would have been more helpful if it compared 2016, 2020 and 2024 but this is just for 2024.

I think the gist is that Trump increased his support across the board but need to see the historical trend.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls


A lot (and I mean a lot) of good stuff to pour over.

[Ghost Econ]

The most interesting thing to me is race and education.

If you aren't white you were just as likely to vote for Kamala regardless of your education. If you were white and graduated college, you were more likely to vote Kamala, but less than your non-white friends.

However, white non-collete graduates were sickeningly pro-Trump. I think this tells you everything you need to know about the electorate and their ability to comprehend even mild economic issues.

[Edward64]

Much of the demographics was expected, but what was interesting to me ...


For "Sex by race", the very large disparities between Latino and Black & their gender
American Indian supported Trump 65-34%. Not that it'd make a difference but still interesting. Wonder why?
Largest "Age" group for Trump at 50-65 followed by 40-49. So for you ageists, can't blame the Boomers (as much). Com'on down Gen X.
Trump won the "2023 total family income" at $30-50k and $50-$100k. So, solidly middle class.
For "Religion", Jews were 22-78% for Trump. I'd thought this would be reversed but maybe American Jews think of themselves as Americans first (and Israel/Religion secondary)
For "Which one of these 5 issues mattered most", GOP said Immigration & Economy by far. Dems said State of Democracy & Abortion by far.

[Atocep]

I look forward to another federal hiring freeze. It nearly crippled us and took months after it was lifted to begin to get things straightened out.

[JPhillips]

Amazing how many defenses of Trump are basically, don't worry he won't do what he and his closest advisers say they will do.

[RainMaker]

Some demographic graphics & concerns for Trump-Kamala supporters. It would have been more helpful if it compared 2016, 2020 and 2024 but this is just for 2024.

I think the gist is that Trump increased his support across the board but need to see the historical trend.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls

A lot (and I mean a lot) of good stuff to pour over.

The age stuff is interesting. She got crushed with young voters compared to Biden. A 12% swing with 18-24 year olds. But outside of that, she mostly kept it close and even gained with seniors.

[cuervo72]

Amazing how many defenses of Trump are basically, don't worry he won't do what he and his closest advisers say they will do.

I mean, that at least gives me hope that there might be backlash when he actually does the stuff he says he will. Not a huge hope, but it's something.

[Passacaglia]

Amazing how many defenses of Trump are basically, don't worry he won't do what he and his closest advisers say they will do.

Especially when "he says what he means" is a reason a lot of his supporters say they like him.

[kingfc22]

I mean, that at least gives me hope that there might be backlash when he actually does the stuff he says he will. Not a huge hope, but it's something.

Come on. There is no way in hell the goal posts don't move.

He has never been held accountable for anything his entire life.

[JPhillips]

Starting to see a lot of calls to redo the census to shift more House seats to red states.

[JPhillips]

I'm down with anything that humiliates Marco.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Scoop: RFK Jr. does not want Sen. Marco Rubio to be nominated for Secretary of State, I’m told by source, who says: “He will be advocating for someone who is less neocon.”</p>&mdash; Hanna Trudo (@HCTrudo) <a href="https://twitter.com/HCTrudo/status/1854573724306923568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 7, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[GrantDawg]

Susie Wiles has been named the new Chief of Staff for Trump. She is Pat Sumerall's daughter.

[Vegas Vic]

Susie Wiles has been named the new Chief of Staff for Trump. She is Pat Sumerall's daughter.

Trump today: “Susie is tough, smart, innovative, and is universally admired and respected. Susie will continue to work tirelessly to Make America Great Again.”

Trump, the first time Wiles doesn't agree with him on something: "Susie is not a very smart person. She's dumb as a rock, a weak, low I.Q. person, just incompetent. I had to let her go."

[RainMaker]

One thing I am certain of is he is going to throw RFK Jr under the bus the first chance he gets. Like I'd be shocked if he was in any kind of position of power in a year.

[HerRealName]

One thing I am certain of is he is going to throw RFK Jr under the bus the first chance he gets. Like I'd be shocked if he was in any kind of position of power in a year.

The useful idiot is no long useful. I'll go ahead and a predict a negative Scaramucci so that makes him getting dropped by Trump on 1/10.

[dubb93]

Trump and Elon’s falling out is going to be epic. I hope Trump tries to deport him.

[RainMaker]

Trump hates him but I think will stick it out because he owns Twitter and that's a pretty big outlet to tap.

[bronconick]

The age stuff is interesting. She got crushed with young voters compared to Biden. A 12% swing with 18-24 year olds. But outside of that, she mostly kept it close and even gained with seniors.

Gonna be a shame when Trump's "concept" healthcare replaces letting 18-24 year olds staying on their parents insurance to 26.

[JPhillips]

One thing I am certain of is he is going to throw RFK Jr under the bus the first chance he gets. Like I'd be shocked if he was in any kind of position of power in a year.

I'm torn between this and the fact that Trump desperately wants approval from people like the Kennedys. He might keep him on so long as RFK Jr. is sufficiently groveling.

[flere-imsaho]

Trump hates him but I think will stick it out because he owns Twitter and that's a pretty big outlet to tap.

Wait until someone shows him how he can nationalize a company.

And who's going to stop him, the DOJ? The courts?

[Edward64]

Susie Wiles has been named the new Chief of Staff for Trump. She is Pat Sumerall's daughter.

I read that she was a reason why Trump's campaign was more disciplined than before. I really, really hope this is true. I mean, we tried generals so why not a white, elderly woman.

Don't know much about her background but hope she succeeds in reigning him from some from his more extreme instincts.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I read that she was a reason why Trump's campaign was more disciplined than before. I really, really hope this is true. I mean, we tried generals so why not a white, elderly woman.

Don't know much about her background but hope she succeeds in reigning him from some from his more extreme instincts.

Well she aint' exactly new as of this run. She ran his FL operations in 2016, got loaned out to DeSantis (oh the irony) in 2018, parted ways with him in 2019 (a mutually miserable pairing by most accounts) and returned to run Trump's PAC.

Described as "the new honcho atop Trumpworld" back in 2021, so she's been around for a while. Which accounts for descriptions as "the most powerful woman you've never heard of"

[flere-imsaho]

It's "compliance and ethics week" at my company next week and a bunch of us are joking "why? the president is a convicted felon, does this matter anymore?"

[flere-imsaho]

Have we not talked about SCOTUS yet? There's a potential for Thomas & Alito to retire in glory (and really hit the junket circuit) and get replaced by folks who will be on the bench for 4 decades. And Sotomayor continues to have health problems.

Plus, with the GOP having more than 51 Senators, that pipeline to the federal judiciary is going to be humming.

[Lathum]

Have we not talked about SCOTUS yet? There's a potential for Thomas & Alito to retire in glory (and really hit the junket circuit) and get replaced by folks who will be on the bench for 4 decades. And Sotomayor continues to have health problems.

Plus, with the GOP having more than 51 Senators, that pipeline to the federal judiciary is going to be humming.

Cannon is gonna be on the Supreme Court for sure.

[JPhillips]

I think I see what's happening on inauguration day. Adams and Trump spoke yesterday and immediately afterward Adams made a change to immigrant benefits. Adams is cooked at the moment and desperately needs a pardon from Trump. I think they make this deal.

Adams is going to allow ICE to raid migrant housing in NYC and deport everyone regardless of asylum status. In exchange Trump will either drop the charges on Adams or issue a pardon.

[flere-imsaho]

Basically POTUS will be a mob boss.

[Edward64]

Well she aint' exactly new as of this run. She ran his FL operations in 2016, got loaned out to DeSantis (oh the irony) in 2018, parted ways with him in 2019 (a mutually miserable pairing by most accounts) and returned to run Trump's PAC.

Described as "the new honcho atop Trumpworld" back in 2021, so she's been around for a while. Which accounts for descriptions as "the most powerful woman you've never heard of"

I read more about her

'She's one of those people that has the old rule: F*** me? No. F*** you,' veteran political operative Rick Wilson told Politico.
For the DeSantis haters, some stories below on how she may have played a role in his defeat

When it came to DeSantis, Wiles 'knows where the bodies are buried,' Roger Stone, a master of the dark political arts himself, told the New York Times.

Who is Susie Wiles? Trump's new chief of staff and 'work wife' is grandma who has grown men quaking | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14057189/who-susie-wiles-trump-chief-staff.html)

[Lathum]

Trump today: “Susie is tough, smart, innovative, and is universally admired and respected. Susie will continue to work tirelessly to Make America Great Again.”

Trump, the first time Wiles doesn't agree with him on something: "Susie is not a very smart person. She's dumb as a rock, a weak, low I.Q. person, just incompetent. I had to let her go."

She will be gone in a year and writing a book about how much she regrets helping get him back to the white house.

[BYU 14]

From reading this article, it seems she was one of the few that tried to keep things sane in his campaign, so hopefully she isn't gone in a year, because the replacement will not be pretty.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/11/trump-2024-campaign-lewandowski-conway/680456/

[Swaggs]

Fun fact: Susie Wiles is the daughter of Pat Summerall.

[cuervo72]

Basically POTUS will be a mob boss.

I mean this was never really in doubt right?

[flere-imsaho]

Well, no. Just more confirmation.

[Vegas Vic]

Fun fact: Susie Wiles is the daughter of Pat Summerall.

Pat Summerall, the only announcer in history where the video game version of him sounded better than the real-life version.

[JPhillips]

I can only imagine how crazy the right would get if Biden had Soros sit in on a call with a foreign leader.

[thesloppy]

Every time I read Pat Summerall I hear him saying "Chris Doleman" in my head. Maybe now you do too.

[Lathum]

Just saw in the times a judge granted Smiths request to pause the Jan 6 case for a month so they can consider moving forward. I suspect it will get dropped before Trump ever has to self pardon or appoint his own AG. Man, garland fucked is so hard.

[Danny]

Just saw in the times a judge granted Smiths request to pause the Jan 6 case for a month so they can consider moving forward. I suspect it will get dropped before Trump ever has to self pardon or appoint his own AG. Man, garland fucked is so hard.



All it did was strengthen Trumps support. They needed to go hard or not at all.

[JPhillips]

The best option now is to close the investigation and release a report before the inauguration.

[flere-imsaho]

What Nixon started, Trump finished. The President is above the law.

(To be fair, most rich people are above the law as well.)

[JPhillips]

Somehow Trump is both going to eliminate the Dept. of Education and also nationalize all the education standards.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Donald Trump announces his 10-point plan to rebuild America's school system,<br><br>Among others, promises to bring back 'school prayer. ' <a href="https://t.co/oeEXgNRX9A">pic.twitter.com/oeEXgNRX9A</a></p>&mdash; 𝐀𝐍𝐓𝐔𝐍𝐄𝐒 (@Antunes1) <a href="https://twitter.com/Antunes1/status/1855251236053823986?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Edward64]

Thought below was an interesting article. I didn't think it was even an option, is there enough time for Dems push through a replacement for Sotomayor?

Hindsight is 20/20. It's easy to criticize RBG for not retiring when she could. If Sotomayor was to pass away during the next 4 years, will she be viewed like RBG?

She's 70 so odds are probably in her favor to last through 2028 but then a roll of the dice who wins in 2028. I think she shouldn't be pressured to leave right now.

wsj.com (https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/justice-sonia-sotomayor-is-expected-to-remain-on-supreme-court-2aaf62e0)
Despite calls from some liberal activists for Justice Sonia Sotomayor to step down while Democrats can fill her seat before Inauguration Day, she has no plans to retire from the Supreme Court, people close to the justice said.

“This is no time to lose her important voice on the court. She just turned 70 and takes better care of herself than anyone I know,” said one person close to the justice, suggesting that progressives turn their attention to other ways of safeguarding the Constitution after President-elect Donald Trump takes office.

Sotomayor, appointed in 2009 by then President Barack Obama, is the senior member of the court’s liberal minority, which by custom makes her its leader. Outnumbered by six conservatives, including three appointed by Trump during his first term, the liberals have increasingly been reduced to dissenting opinions that argue the majority has made grave errors on matters from abortion rights to presidential power.

[JPhillips]

Hysterical that after decades of screaming about states' rights, every Trump video is a plan to nationalize some aspect of society and the right is cheering each of them on.

We're going to nationalize voting! Yeah!

We're going to nationalize education standards! Yeah!

We're going to nationalize gun policy! Yeah!

[JPhillips]

Trump says that he should be allowed to make recess appointments(without Senate votes) so that he can fully staff the admin as quickly as possible.

If the GOP agrees, that's basically the end of advise and consent.

[RainMaker]

Congress About to Gift Trump Sweeping Powers to Crush Political Enemies (https://theintercept.com/2024/11/10/trump-nonprofit-tax-exempt-political-enemies/)

[flere-imsaho]

Hindsight is 20/20. It's easy to criticize RBG for not retiring when she could. If Sotomayor was to pass away during the next 4 years, will she be viewed like RBG?

No. RBG was ~75 when Obama took office the first time, Sotomayor was ~66 when Biden took office. If RBG had retired in either of Obama's two terms the court would still be 5-4, not 6-3. If Sotomayor gets replaced by a Trump appointee it'll be 7-2. I'd argue that 5-4 to 6-3 is a bigger jump than 6-3 to 7-2, especially with basically no moderates among the GOP appointees.

It's still not great, and I think she should have retired when Breyer did, but geriatrics gotta geriatric. Pelosi is still in office, Sanders just won another 6-year Senate term at age 83, Dick Durbin just turned 80, etc.... Just retire you old fucks, and let someone else have a go. They're not going to do worse than you did.

[JPhillips]

Pretty fucking rich that GOPers are pissed at Casey for not concerning in PA yet.

[JPhillips]

Judge Ho is testing out the gobbledygook that the right is going to use to end birthright citizenship. It won't count during an invasion and the President gets to decide when there's an invasion. Problem solved.

[JPhillips]

dola

Israeli minister in charge of settlements says it's time to start preparation to annex the West Bank.

[GrantDawg]

Trump has picked Congressman Lee Zeldin for the EPA. Of bad choices, he at least has acknowledged climate change. Doesn't mean he wants to do anything about it.

[JPhillips]

Somehow Trump is going to eliminate the Dept of Education and simultaneously have control of primary, secondary, and college education standards.

My guess is they'll pass laws giving people the right to sue and allow right-wing judges to impose education standards.

[GrantDawg]

Marco Rubio is being tapped for Secretary of State. Big responsibility for Little Marco.

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[Edward64]

Hmmm

Be nice if he was able to somehow find a win-win and normalize relations with Cuba

[GrantDawg]

The thinking is DeSantis will likely tap his Chief of Staff to fill Rubio's seat to keep it open for Denantis to take it in 2026. The last Florida governor to try this was Charlie Crist, except he ended up losing in 2010 to Rubiio.

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[JPhillips]

A f-ton better than Ric Grenell.

[JPhillips]

dola

If Trump fires Marco after Marco resigns from the Senate that would be his most alpha move ever. And we all know eventually Marco is getting fired.

[Atocep]

I know pretty much everyone here knows this, but I'm so tired of right wingers trying to convince others that Trump ran on some message of unity. Unless you're white and male there is no interest in anything resembling unity from Trump.

[Atocep]

dola

If Trump fires Marco after Marco resigns from the Senate that would be his most alpha move ever. And we all know eventually Marco is getting fired.

These guys are lining up for administration positions thinking it will put them in position for the 2028 nomination when they have absolutely no chance because Trump already made them a joke to all of his followers.

[MIJB#19]

I know pretty much everyone here knows this, but I'm so tired of right wingers trying to convince others that Trump ran on some message of unity. Unless you're white and male there is no interest in anything resembling unity from Trump.Sane white males should have no interest either, there was a right wing non-criminal alternative on the ballot.

[flere-imsaho]

The thinking is DeSantis will likely tap his Chief of Staff to fill Rubio's seat to keep it open for Denantis to take it in 2026. The last Florida governor to try this was Charlie Crist, except he ended up losing in 2010 to Rubiio.

It continues to boggle my mind that Florida, a state full of retirees, continues to send Rick Scott, a guy who literally defrauded Medicare, back to the Senate.

Proof, as if it were needed, that most voters are very low information indeed.

[Edward64]

Haven't seen it anywhere else but thehill.com has made the call.

Access to this page has been denied (https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4974235-house-republicans-control-majority/)
Republicans win House, delivering Trump a trifecta

Republicans are projected to keep control of the House of Representatives, handing the party total control of Washington with President-elect Trump back in the White House in January.

Decision Desk HQ projected the GOP would hold the House by winning its 218th seat on Monday, the number needed for a majority in the lower chamber.

A clean sweep. The Dems misread the room pretty significantly.

Beyonce is 0-2, Taylor 0-1. How do you lose the first time voters with those 2 on your side?

[Lathum]

Saw today that google searches for "tariffs" are up like, 500%. This has a real Brexit feel.

[GrantDawg]

Hide your puppies, Kristi Noem is being named Secretary of Homeland Security.

[Lathum]

I have zero illusions about this administration being anything other than a disaster but at least he is picking people who have actual experience in governing.

[Brian Swartz]

A clean sweep. The Dems misread the room pretty significantly.

Beyonce is 0-2, Taylor 0-1. How do you lose the first time voters with those 2 on your side?

On the second part, because celebrity endorsements just don't mean much in politics.

I would actually say Democrats as a whole didn't do terribly in this election. They didn't have control of the House before, and at worst the margin there is going to be slightly more Republican than before. They won most of the Senate elections in the swing states, losing control there is just a function of which seats were up for re-election, things like Manchin being replaced which was always going to go Republican, and so on. Governor balance stayed the same.

The fact that Harris lost all the swing states but it appears PA is the only senate race that isn't going to the Democrats and the generally close nature of the election indicates that it isn't Democrats in general who failed. Not a red shift, but a Trump Shift; there was something about the Harris-Trump matchup that made people object to Harris more than other Democrats.

[Arles]

Saw today that google searches for "tariffs" are up like, 500%. This has a real Brexit feel.
Do people realize that Biden kept a vast majority of Trump's tariffs from 2016-2019? He also added a bunch on China in his term (esp on semiconductor, steel and EVs).

In fact, Biden has new tariffs on China going into effect in 2025 and 2026 on things like batteries, medical goods, solar cells, etc. At the end of the day, tariffs are always a short term drag on the US GDP but they do offer strategic support for US industries to compete (esp in areas where we don't want to be reliant on China).

Both parties have supported them and there's a good chance Harris would have continued and even extended many of the Tariffs under Trump and Biden had she won. This issue a big red herring for the election that people are making some new disaster coming in with Trump. He certainly wants more, but this was more of an issue to rally his base with nationalism against China.

If you looks at the numbers, the US generated $89 billion in additional taxes from tariffs under Trump's first term. In Biden's term, they generated $144 billion in taxes from tariffs. You are crazy if you think Harris was shutting down that source of revenue (and not expanding it to pay for a lot of what she wanted).

[JPhillips]

Again, Trump benefits from everyone assuming he's lying.

He's the one who said blanket tariffs. He's the one who said maybe we'll eliminate the income tax and replace it with tariffs.

[Arles]

Yeah, Trump has made a ton of promises he's never kept. I could see easing of social security tax with tariffs, but I can't see all of income tax. In two years, I think people are going to be amazed at how little these "extremely dangerous tariffs" have impacted things - partially because 60+% were already in effect in the Biden administration. :D

[Lathum]

Do people realize that Biden kept a vast majority of Trump's tariffs from 2016-2019? He also added a bunch on China in his term (esp on semiconductor, steel and EVs).

In fact, Biden has new tariffs on China going into effect in 2025 and 2026 on things like batteries, medical goods, solar cells, etc. At the end of the day, tariffs are always a short term drag on the US GDP but they do offer strategic support for US industries to compete (esp in areas where we don't want to be reliant on China).

Both parties have supported them and there's a good chance Harris would have continued and even extended many of the Tariffs under Trump and Biden had she won. This issue a big red herring for the election that people are making some new disaster coming in with Trump. He certainly wants more, but this was more of an issue to rally his base with nationalism against China.

If you looks at the numbers, the US generated $89 billion in additional taxes from tariffs under Trump's first term. In Biden's term, they generated $144 billion in taxes from tariffs. You are crazy if you think Harris was shutting down that source of revenue (and not expanding it to pay for a lot of what she wanted).

There is a difference between strategically using tariffs as negotiating chips and saying they will solve all out financial woes.

If you take him at his word he is going to deport our migrant workforce which is basically 100% responsible for our supply chain of food while also claiming he will put a 20% tariff on all goods from Mexico. That's assuming they will even sell us their goods once remain in Mexico goes back into effect and we start using the US military on Mexico soil.

I'll choose to trust the word of 23 Nobel winning economists over the guy who bankrupted 3 casinos.

[Arles]

Trump's word is about as reliable as broken clock. He's right 2 out of of every 24 attempts just on accident.

He will continue what Biden and him had setup and he will probably extend the China ones. He will try to do some strategic ones on Europe and Japan specifically, but those are mostly on steel and semiconductor items we make in the US. As an aside, my day job is working for a US semiconductor company that has a brother/sister relationship with a big Japan exporter. They simply send their products to us, we house them for a period of months and distribute them to avoid the tariffs (we have been doing this even before Trump). Again, I don't think this will be as dire as people are making it out to be.

[Lathum]

Yeah, Trump has made a ton of promises he's never kept. I could see easing of social security tax with tariffs, but I can't see all of income tax. In two years, I think people are going to be amazed at how little these "extremely dangerous tariffs" have impacted things - partially because 60+% were already in effect in the Biden administration. :D

The question isn't have they impacted things but has he kept his promises and made things better?

His solution to everything was tariffs and drill baby drill. It isn't just that he promised to remove income taxes. What about no taxes on tips? Subsidized child care? Cheaper good across the board, lower inflation, cheaper gas, affordable housing, etc...

All promises he made based off tariffs that he claims other nations will pay for despite corporations already having plans in place to raise the cost of consumer goods. People elected him FULL WELL KNOWING everything else that comes with it because he convinced enough low information voters he can fix it. IF two years from now it is status quo he has failed on that promise and we will be suffering all the other BS.

[Lathum]

Jesse Watters mom didn’t invite him to thanksgiving. lol.

[cuervo72]

Good.

[RainMaker]

Do people realize that Biden kept a vast majority of Trump's tariffs from 2016-2019? He also added a bunch on China in his term (esp on semiconductor, steel and EVs).

It's just different when the politician has a D as opposed to an R next to the name.

[RainMaker]

They're going to make Lara Trump the new Senator in Florida is my guess.

[GrantDawg]

They're going to make Lara Trump the new Senator in Florida is my guess.
That would mean Desantis is not interested in being a Senator and is only eyeing the White House in 4 years. No way he puts someone in that position that he thinks will run again if he his planning on running for it.

[larrymcg421]

I mean, it might be that we were talking about universal tariffs vs. targeted tariffs, but sure, just throw out stupid one liners like an asshole.

[RainMaker]

That would mean Desantis is not interested in being a Senator and is only eyeing the White House in 4 years. No way he puts someone in that position that he thinks will run again if he his planning on running for it.

I think he wants to be Senator but he's also too much of a pussy to stand up to Trump.

[Arles]

I mean, it might be that we were talking about universal tariffs vs. targeted tariffs, but sure, just throw out stupid one liners like an asshole.
Yeah, I agree with this. The 10% tariff across the board is a very bad idea in my opinion and I doubt it would ever pass. That's just stupid. I do think that having targeted tariffs to allow US companies to stay competitive and active in key industries isn't a bad idea. Especially since China basically pays for their companies to initially make things at a loss until they run out all the competition and then they slowly raise up prices after.

[RainMaker]

I mean, it might be that we were talking about universal tariffs vs. targeted tariffs, but sure, just throw out stupid one liners like an asshole.

Sure, they were targeted to eliminate competition from companies that donate large sums of money to Democrats. An added boost of exacerbating climate change too. We're at the point of defending crony capitalism.

[RainMaker]

Yeah, I agree with this. The 10% tariff across the board is a very bad idea in my opinion and I doubt it would ever pass. That's just stupid. I do think that having targeted tariffs to allow US companies to stay competitive and active in key industries isn't a bad idea. Especially since China basically pays for their companies to initially make things at a loss until they run out all the competition and then they slowly raise up prices after.

Why is it the US governments responsibility to eliminate competition for companies? Why can't those companies just create a better product or lower their prices? This is just corporate welfare packaged as populism.

And the tariff talk doesn't mention retaliatory tariffs. Maybe you help the shareholders of auto companies a bit. But these other countries will put a tariff on corn, soybeans, whiskey, wine, etc. So you helped one industry and fucked over others. I get that politicians like that because now industries will have to fight to give more donations to stop that, but you're also just reaching a point where the government chooses what businesses get to win and which ones get to lose.

[Arles]

People have been using the "chicken little" export tariffs on US goods forever. They rarely occur (outside of maybe China). The US has had tariffs on Europe and Japan before and didn't get nailed there. I don't think we should have tariffs on Europe or Japan, and usually the ones we have done in the past are pretty minimal.

If Trump starts putting a 10-15% tariff on everything imported, I will be right beside you guys against it.

[JPhillips]

A wizard sits alone, high in a tower of gold, calm and confident.

He whispers to himself, "I'm always right," picks up a pen and drafts a new tome of wisdom.

[RainMaker]

People have been using the "chicken little" export tariffs on US goods forever. They rarely occur (outside of maybe China). The US has had tariffs on Europe and Japan before and didn't get nailed there. I don't think we should have tariffs on Europe or Japan, and usually the ones we have done in the past are pretty minimal.

If Trump starts putting a 10-15% tariff on everything imported, I will be right beside you guys against it.

We literally had to do a $25 billion bailout for soybean farmers because of retaliatory tariffs.

Trump's massive farmer bailout failed to make up for the 'self-inflicted' trade damage (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-farmer-bailout-legacy-trade-135241986.html)

92 Percent of Trump’s China Tariff Proceeds Has Gone to Bail Out Angry Farmers | Council on Foreign Relations (https://www.cfr.org/blog/92-percent-trumps-china-tariff-proceeds-has-gone-bail-out-angry-farmers)

[RainMaker]

I'm just trying to see how these auto tariffs benefit us.

1) American pays an extra $20,000-$30,000 for an inferior car.

2) Auto makers make more money as they can keep margins high and don't need to innovate or price competitively. Banks make money on the additional loans to cover that higher price.

3) High prices keep people in gas powered vehicles which are cheaper. Good for the Saudis, Iran, and Russia. Not so great for the climate.

4) Extra profits are used to buyback stocks boosting the share price for the wealthiest Americans and executives of these companies. No real tax revenue here since we don't tax unrealized capital gains (well for rich people) and buybacks reduce the company's corporate tax liability.

5) ???????

6) Americans somehow come out on top?

I'm just trying to see where the tariffs benefit the average American. Who makes up for that extra price I have to pay for a car? Because to me it seems like a workaround for a regressive national sales tax and elimination of income tax which overwhelmingly benefits wealthy people.

[Lathum]

We literally had to do a $25 billion bailout for soybean farmers because of retaliatory tariffs.

Trump's massive farmer bailout failed to make up for the 'self-inflicted' trade damage (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-farmer-bailout-legacy-trade-135241986.html)

92 Percent of Trump’s China Tariff Proceeds Has Gone to Bail Out Angry Farmers | Council on Foreign Relations (https://www.cfr.org/blog/92-percent-trumps-china-tariff-proceeds-has-gone-bail-out-angry-farmers)

at least for the ones that didn't commit suicide...

[GrantDawg]

Fox News anchor Pete Hegseth for Secretary of Defense. The first nomination out of left field. Or Right field, I guess. I guess we should be glad he didn't nominate a war criminal.

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[JonInMiddleGA]

Why can't those companies just create a better product or lower their prices?

Because we're stuck with the bane of consumer existence, the fucking labor unions.

[GrantDawg]

Oh. He was the guy that lobbied Trump to pardon the war criminals. Now, he can direct the military to commit those crimes on American soil. Cool. Cool. Cool.

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[RainMaker]

Because we're stuck with the bane of consumer existence, the fucking labor unions.

Nah, labor costs have gone down as a percent of revenue and profits. But that's some next level bootlicking.

[flere-imsaho]

Some of you guys need to pace yourselves if you're going to get through the next four years without a coronary.

[JPhillips]

Fox News anchor Pete Hegseth for Secretary of Defense. The first nomination out of left field. Or Right field, I guess. I guess we should be glad he didn't nominate a war criminal.

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Lol A guy who thinks germs aren't real.

[Ksyrup]

Sounds like business interests have gotten to Trump or his people because all of a sudden I'm seeing a couple articles about Trump softening his "mass deportation" plans to focus on illegal immigrants who commit crimes.

[JPhillips]

Looks like the plan is for the House to use tariffs as a way to lock in the Trump tax cuts permanently. The problem is it will take universal tariffs of maybe 20% to make the math work for reconciliation.

[NobodyHere]

Trump taps Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy to lead Department of Government Efficiency (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-taps-elon-musk-and-vivek-ramaswamy-to-lead-department-of-government-efficiency/ar-AA1tYH58?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=e03e4097f28547f9e32fc66072e13ca3&ei=23)

Honestly it sounds like a good idea but with these clowns it will probably be counter-productive.

[Lathum]

Some of you guys need to pace yourselves if you're going to get through the next four years without a coronary.

I haven't listened to any talk radio/news/etc...since it was called. I can't stomach it. I'm going to try and not pay attention the next 4 years and hope the world doesn't end

[Edward64]

Sounds like business interests have gotten to Trump or his people because all of a sudden I'm seeing a couple articles about Trump softening his "mass deportation" plans to focus on illegal immigrants who commit crimes.

I've always read there would be a prioritization. Focus on illegal felons, national security people (fentanyl) has been on the top of the list. After that, it's been cloudy on plan/logistics.

Honestly, just as I believe MSM has been conflating legal & illegal into just immigrants (and now the delineation is coming back in MSM), things are getting more clear now as next steps are happening.

I've watched a couple Homan YT videos. We can argue about his stats; his pro-Trump, anti-Joe bias; but it's obvious to me that he is very passionate in wanting to stop illegal immigration (and I mean "very"). Pretty hardcore guy, looking forward to his plan and the inevitable confrontations with lawmakers and MSM.

[Lathum]

Pretty hardcore guy, looking forward to his plan and the inevitable confrontations with lawmakers and MSM.

You're looking forward to them deporting US citizens and dreamers?

[Edward64]

You're looking forward to them deporting US citizens and dreamers?

Er, no? I can see how you read the below as looking forward to (whatever being done). I meant it as looking forward to reading/understanding his plan ...

Focus on illegal felons, national security people (fentanyl) has been on the top of the list. After that, it's been cloudy on plan/logistics.
Pretty hardcore guy, looking forward to his plan and the inevitable confrontations with lawmakers and MSM.



Specific to re: deporting US citizens. Not in any plan that I've read other than for fraud. I'll refer you to post #6301 to 6305 below.

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - POTUS 2024 - Harris vs Trump - General Election Discussion (https://forums.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=3448788&postcount=6301)

[Lathum]

Specific to re: deporting US citizens. Not in any plan that I've read other than for fraud. I'll refer you to post #6301 to 6305 below.



The new border czar literally said families can be deported together if certain members are here illegally when asked about it

[Sweed]

We literally had to do a $25 billion bailout for soybean farmers because of retaliatory tariffs.

Trump's massive farmer bailout failed to make up for the 'self-inflicted' trade damage (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-farmer-bailout-legacy-trade-135241986.html)

92 Percent of Trump’s China Tariff Proceeds Has Gone to Bail Out Angry Farmers | Council on Foreign Relations (https://www.cfr.org/blog/92-percent-trumps-china-tariff-proceeds-has-gone-bail-out-angry-farmers)

at least for the ones that didn't commit suicide...

And yet the vast majority of farmers I know still vote Trump.

[Edward64]

The new border czar literally said families can be deported together if certain members are here illegally when asked about it

I believe the below is where this stems from below. If there are others, please provide source.

Access to this page has been denied (https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/4957180-former-ice-director-thomas-homan/)
When journalist Cecilia Vega asked, “Is there a way to carry out mass deportation without separating families?” Homan responded: “Of course there is. Families can be deported together.”

How I read that is, the US citizen family members can stay if they wish, but if they want they want to stay together, then the legal (voluntarily) & illegal (involuntarily) family members can leave together.

But yes, if there is forced/involuntary deportation of US citizens (non-fraud), that would be very bad. But no, I don't believe that is in the plan.

[Sweed]

Some of you guys need to pace yourselves if you're going to get through the next four years without a coronary.

I read somewhere (not sure where?;) )that policy wise the parties are basically the same so not voting D wouldn't make a difference. I'm not even sure why this thread is here? :lol:

[Lathum]

I believe the below is where this stems from below. If there are others, please provide source.

Access to this page has been denied (https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/4957180-former-ice-director-thomas-homan/)


How I read that is, the US citizen family members can stay if they wish, but if they want they want to stay together, then the legal (voluntarily) & illegal (involuntarily) family members can leave together.

But yes, if there is forced/involuntary deportation of US citizens (non-fraud), that would be very bad. But no, I don't believe that is in the plan.

Having to choose between deportation or being permanently separated from a loved one is de facto forced deportations.

If you don't see the absolute cruelty and inhumanness in it you need to get a soul.

[Edward64]

Having to choose between deportation or being permanently separated from a loved one is de facto forced deportations.
It is not forced, it is voluntary. There is a choice. Hard choices, but still a choice.

If you don't see the absolute cruelty and inhumanness in it you need to get a soul.

I'll use the Bill Maher quote. Not taking the GOP and the broader public's concern and not acknowledging it is a crisis has resulted in below ...

The HBO star (Bill Maher) then quoted The Atlantic’s David Frum, who warned “If liberals insist that enforcing borders is a job only fascists will do, then voters will hire fascists to do what liberals won’t.”

“Voters keep saying over and over again we are not comfortable with this level of immigration. I understand why. It doesn’t make you a racist to say that,” Maher said.


I absolutely do not deny its tough choices, no doubt. And Holman will probably take it further right than I would prefer, but yeah ... here we are.

[Lathum]

JFC it’s not a choice and the cruelty is the point.

IIRC you immigrated here. I’d be nervous if I was you. No idea how far they will take this.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Having to choose between deportation or being permanently separated from a loved one is de facto forced deportations.

If you don't see the absolute cruelty and inhumanness in it you need to get a soul.

They could be flung out of fucking planes without parachutes afaic, preferrably into piranha infested waters.

That'd be a good start at least.

[JPhillips]

Stephen Miller has told us the plan. De-naturalization turbo-charged. They are absolutely planning to strip citizenship and deport some number of current Americans.

[Edward64]

JFC it’s not a choice and the cruelty is the point.
Yes, it's definitely a tough choice.

IIRC you immigrated here. I’d be nervous if I was you. No idea how far they will take this.

Naturalized citizens that went through the legal process don't have much to worry about. The de-naturalization, from what I've read, is from "fraud".

Yes, there may be some exceptions here and there e.g. how "fraud" is defined, but that'll work itself through the courts. But vast majority of naturalized citizens can sleep well.

[Lathum]

You realize they want to remove birth right citizenship? What makes you think they won’t denaturalize people who came here legally? Though I’m sure you’re safe because your skin isn’t brown.

[Edward64]

Stephen Miller has told us the plan. De-naturalization turbo-charged. They are absolutely planning to strip citizenship and deport some number of current Americans.

I can easily believe Holman/Miller want to increase the review of fraudulent citizenship cases. That is my understanding but admittedly, I might have missed something. But if not, what's wrong with de-naturalizing people that got citizenship under fraudulent pretenses?

See link of de-naturalization.

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - Trump's Immigration Reform (https://forums.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=3448526&postcount=505)

If you have links that say they want to do de-naturalization for non-fraudulent cases (or A-D in my link above), provide the source.

[Edward64]

You realize they want to remove birth right citizenship?
re: birthright, see below, posts #6301-6305.

POTUS 2024 - Harris vs Trump - General Election Discussion - Page 127 - Front Office Football Central (https://forums.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=99329&page=127)

In summary, we know there'll be a fight about it. If it works itself through the legal system (and it'll have to eventually), I'm okay with the final decision even though I personally prefer limits to birthright (e.g. one parent is a citizen or PR).

What makes you think they won’t denaturalize people who came here legally?
Because I've not seen any reports of plans to do it for non-fraud cases? There may be some extreme situations (see below) about but it's certainly not going to be widespread.

If you have something, provide a source that is not Twitter/X/TickTok that I can read in its full context.

I've provide link to my source above. But I'll requote the key stuff
A) A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if he or she procured naturalization illegally
B) A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if there is deliberate deceit on the part of the person in misrepresenting or failing to disclose a material fact or facts on his or her naturalization application and subsequent examination.
C) A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if the person becomes a member of, or affiliated with, the Communist party, other totalitarian party, or terrorist organization within five years of his or her naturalization.
D) Other than Honorable Discharge before Five Years of Honorable Service after Naturalization

Though I’m sure you’re safe because your skin isn’t brown.
You sure about that?

[HerRealName]

You entered your yearly income as 68,000 but your W-2 for that year indicates that you only made $67,139.17. That's fraud, you're deported.

[Edward64]

You entered your yearly income as 68,000 but your W-2 for that year indicates that you only made $67,139.17. That's fraud, you're deported.

Nope, not as far as de-naturalization goes. See link below.

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - Trump's Immigration Reform (https://forums.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=3448526&postcount=505)

Here's the conditions of "fraud" as it relates to citizenship.

A) A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if he or she procured naturalization illegally
B) A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if there is deliberate deceit on the part of the person in misrepresenting or failing to disclose a material fact or facts on his or her naturalization application and subsequent examination.
C) A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if the person becomes a member of, or affiliated with, the Communist party, other totalitarian party, or terrorist organization within five years of his or her naturalization.
D) Other than Honorable Discharge before Five Years of Honorable Service after Naturalization


So yes, Melania "may" fall under these conditions. Prince Harry also (whenever he becomes naturalized). But we all know the rich and powerful get away with things regular folks don't.

[JPhillips]

I don't know what Miller is planning, but turbo-charged is not a word I would use to describe uses in cases of documented fraud. There are going to be very few of those.

[Edward64]

I don't know what Miller is planning, but turbo-charged is not a word I would use to describe uses in cases of documented fraud. There are going to be very few of those.

When there is widespread de-naturalization of US citizens beyond the A-D conditions I've quoted, then you can tell me how wrong I was.

Yes, there will be screwups and extreme cases but I stand by my statement that legally naturalized citizens, that don't fall under A-D, won't have to worry about getting de-naturalized.

[Mota]

In terms of DOGE priorities, certainly subsidizing a company's travel to Mars should be low on the list, right? High cost, low benefit to US citizens.

[Arles]

Immigration is an issue that both sides agree needs to be addressed. Just trying to find and deport illegals that commit crimes will take more than four years logistically. The idea that Trump is going to hamstring a bunch of businesses that supported him by tossing out legal and illegal workers seems pretty far fetched. He didn't do that from 2016-2020, so I doubt he starts now.

But, again, when we look the other way on a big problem -you have to understand that the people may elect someone who promises to come in and clean it up. Initially, that cleanup may be messier that most wanted - but I can't see this administration ever having the resources to start mass deporting legal citizens. There's no way that ever stands up in court and you will have millions of civil rights attorneys chomping at the bit to defend them (as they should).

Some of you guys need to pace yourselves if you're going to get through the next four years without a coronary.
I voted for Harris and wanted no part of Trump. I can't stand the guy. But I also have some perspective and understand that we survived the first Trump "reign" and will also survive the second one. My main concern is that the SC judges hold on for another four years.

That said, I think people were so invested in Trump losing and so angry that they almost want massive "dire consequences" for the country because they voted for him. So anything that comes up over the next 3-4 months (tariffs, immigration, tax cuts, dept of education) is going to be framed as an unmitigated disaster that this country will never recover from. It sucks that he's president, but the die has been cast by the awful process and campaign the democrats ran. Now we just need to take a breath and realize everything will be OK. Worst case, if he really fucks things up, we can just vote someone in to fix it in four years.

[cuervo72]

Immigration is an issue that both sides agree needs to be addressed. Just trying to find and deport illegals that commit crimes will take more than four years logistically. The idea that Trump is going to hamstring a bunch of businesses that supported him by tossing out legal and illegal workers seems pretty far fetched. He didn't do that from 2016-2020, so I doubt he starts now.

Eh, what does he care? He's not going to have to face another election, he can do whatever he wants.

(This is why I kind of find it amusing if people still think Putin "has stuff" on him. What could possibly matter at this point? Whatever he could have won't matter with the electorate and wouldn't lead Republicans to do anything to him.)

[Edward64]

Immigration is an issue that both sides agree needs to be addressed. Just trying to find and deport illegals that commit crimes will take more than four years logistically. The idea that Trump is going to hamstring a bunch of businesses that supported him by tossing out legal and illegal workers seems pretty far fetched. He didn't do that from 2016-2020, so I doubt he starts now.
I can clearly see him "tossing out illegal workers". From what I've read, Homan will do some level of worksite raids (e.g. chicken processing operations).

[Arles]

It's certainly possible, but I would guess the initial focus will be on illegals that have committed crimes.

[miked]

I can clearly see him "tossing out illegal workers". From what I've read, Homan will do some level of worksite raids (e.g. chicken processing operations).

Boy, if people were complaining about their eggs being 50 cents more, wait until they see the price of chicken when the robber barons have to pay their workers...

[Ghost Econ]

Trump says he'll do something vague.
Centrists say he won't do that.
Trump does it.
Centrists say, well he won't do that other thing...

It's been like this for 8 years but sure, this time he won't do the thing he says he'll do.

My best guess, we have 12 weeks till our Reichstag Fire.

[RainMaker]

Trump says he'll do something vague.
Centrists say he won't do that.
Trump does it.
Centrists say, well he won't do that other thing...

It's been like this for 8 years but sure, this time he won't do the thing he says he'll do.

My best guess, we have 12 weeks till our Reichstag Fire.

8 years later the Democrats run supporting that thing.

[Qwikshot]

Boy, if people were complaining about their eggs being 50 cents more, wait until they see the price of chicken when the robber barons have to pay their workers...

Nah, trailer trash gonna learn where they stand in the new future.

[Ksyrup]

Now Tulsi Gabbard, lol.

This feels like a real-life governmental version of the Empty Cupboard Challenge.

[Arles]

Trump says he'll do something vague.
Centrists say he won't do that.
Trump does it.
Centrists say, well he won't do that other thing...

It's been like this for 8 years but sure, this time he won't do the thing he says he'll do.

My best guess, we have 12 weeks till our Reichstag Fire.
Looks back at the 2016 rhetoric on what Trump was going to do and then compare to what actually happened. He has no "core beliefs" and the moment something becomes unpopular or he doesn't benefit from it as much as he planned, he drops it like a bad habit. He promised things like repealing Obamacare, building a wall that Mexico paid for, invest $550 billion into US infrastructure, renegotiate the Iran deal, cancel funding for "sanctuary cities" and (of course) deport all people here illegally.

Know how many of those promises he kept? 0, nada - none of those things happened.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/

[RainMaker]

Matt Gaetz for Attorney General lol

[JPhillips]

He did ask if the military could shoot protestors and had to be denied by the Pentagon.

[Flasch186]

lol


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[RainMaker]

Remember when he committed rape on a minor and the DOJ shrugged their shoulders despite mountains of evidence including testimony from his good friend.

[Edward64]

Boy, if people were complaining about their eggs being 50 cents more, wait until they see the price of chicken when the robber barons have to pay their workers...
This is very likely true. In the short term.

[Ksyrup]

As a licensed attorney, the thought of Matt Gaetz as the nation's top attorney is disgusting. What a joke. Of course, with a covicted felon in the WH, what's wrong with a suppressed statutory rape charge for the attorney general?

I assume this means they will attempt to prosecute every single person on Trump's personal vendetta list.

[Edward64]

Definitely a new world.

I do wonder how many of his cabinet, top special advisors will last 2 years.

[GrantDawg]

Looks back at the 2016 rhetoric on what Trump was going to do and then compare to what actually happened. He has no "core beliefs" and the moment something becomes unpopular or he doesn't benefit from it as much as he planned, he drops it like a bad habit. He promised things like repealing Obamacare, building a wall that Mexico paid for, invest $550 billion into US infrastructure, renegotiate the Iran deal, cancel funding for "sanctuary cities" and (of course) deport all people here illegally.

Know how many of those promises he kept? 0, nada - none of those things happened.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/
Look at his appointments then. Look at these appointments now. He had some pretty creepy people in his cabinet 8 years ago, but they look like law abiding Mensa members compared to the likes of Tulsi Gabbard and Matt Gaetz. So much of the absolute crazy stuff he wanted to do was halted by the people around him. That is not going to be the case with this bunch.

[Lathum]

Guys. We’re not surviving this. It’s been a good run.

[RainMaker]

Gaetz is nowhere near as funny as Hegseth. It's of course bad to have a pedophile as AG but he's further to the left on antitrust and corporate power than most Dems.

[GrantDawg]

Attorney General nominee Matt Gaetz does not have federal criminal experience except in the area of sex trafficking.


@kenwhite.bsky.social on Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/kenwhite.bsky.social/post/3lauavhgo2u2v)

[cuervo72]

Guess we can put that "they'll just 25th him and get JD in a few months" stuff to bed, eh?

[GrantDawg]

Guess we can put that "they'll just 25th him and get JD in a few months" stuff to bed, eh?
That was never happening. Trump is going to enjoy a sweet life of playing golf, and let the inmates run the asylum.

[Atocep]

I was just telling a friend yesterday that Trump's nominations so far are bad, but I was expecting worse. The Secretary of Defense and AG nominations have us back where I expected to be.

Gaetz is being brought in to rubber stamp Trump going after political enemies and Hegseth is there to purge non-MAGA generals.

[RainMaker]

There was always going to be a few oddballs in there and I imagine one of them doesn't get approved (probably Hesgeth). But most of the others are just run-of-the-mill neocons like he had the first time around. Is Gaetz really much worse than Jeff Sessions?

[Brian Swartz]

There's nothing Trump can do that is remotely as damaging as having an electorate that chose him twice. The damage is already done.

[RainMaker]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/11/12/trump-tiktok-ban-sale/

[JPhillips]

Rumors are Trump is planning on working with Johnson to use an article 2 power that never been used previously. If the two chambers disagree about adjourning, the President can adjourn them. So long as Johnson is on board, this means Trump will recess appoint everybody regardless of what the Senate decides.

They either agree to adjourn with the House and Trump makes the appointments or they disagree, Trump adjourns them, and then makes recess appointments.

t least for the next two years Trump is going to have whoever he wants.

[kingfc22]

America wanted a dictator...so a dictator they will get.

Hope they enjoy it

[Arles]

My wife sent me this and I thought this crew would enjoy it:

https://i.ibb.co/1Gn8gmm/Trump.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

x.com (https://x.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1856733324825526453)

[JonInMiddleGA]

Definitely a new world.

I do wonder how many of his cabinet, top special advisors will last 2 years.

Most don't.

His staffing choices, or the extremely high failure rate for them, are probably my single biggest gripe about term one

[miami_fan]

As a licensed attorney, the thought of Matt Gaetz as the nation's top attorney is disgusting. What a joke. Of course, with a covicted felon in the WH, what's wrong with a suppressed statutory rape charge for the attorney general?

I assume this means they will attempt to prosecute every single person on Trump's personal vendetta list.

Marco, Matt, and don't forget DJT is a resident now... It's officially a Florida Man administration!

:D

[JonInMiddleGA]

I assume this means they will attempt to prosecute every single person on Trump's personal vendetta list.

A great deal of his supporters, me very much included, are going to be very disappointed if he doesn't.

[JonInMiddleGA]

There's nothing Trump can do that is remotely as damaging as having an electorate that chose him twice. The damage is already done.

Which is roughly how I feel about the fact there's anywhere that the election was even close.

It's why I've never bought into the whole "MAGA" concept.

There's too many ignorant, mentally/emotionally ill, and plain ol' evil people in the country for "great" to ever be a reasonable goal.

And those three things account for pretty much every vote )cast by a real person) for Harris or Biden.

[Mota]

Is there a Bluesky version of FOFC? Asking for a friend...

[Front Office Midget]

There's too many ignorant, mentally/emotionally ill, and plain ol' evil people in the country for "great" to ever be a reasonable goal.

And those three things account for pretty much every vote )cast by a real person) for Harris or Biden.

Honestly, this sort of thing doesn't surprise me coming from JIMG, but has anyone noticed an uptick of this type of rhetoric all over the Internet lately? Thinking of severely reducing all Internet exposure from here on out.

It's really concerning if this is the attitude people have around us in the modern day.

Was there a memo I missed that everyone is supposed to hate everyone now?

[Edward64]

Almost seems like normal.

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/11/u-s-president-joe-biden-93566233_313737.jpg?resize=780,683&quality=75&strip=all

[Edward64]

On why the Gaetz pick ...

Just a moment... (https://www.axios.com/2024/11/14/behind-the-curtain-why-trump-picked-gaetz)
President-elect Trump picked Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) for attorney general for one, big, telling reason: Gaetz will proudly do the dirty work on controversial legal topics that others won't.

Why it matters: Get used to this. It's your future foretold: On some topics, Trump wants to seem reasonable. On others — like anything related to his suspicion of a hostile "deep state" — he demands his own personal, controllable wrecking ball.
A powerful MAGA insider who talks often to Trump told us the reason he picked Gaetz is simple: "He likes him."
"Everyone else looked at AG as if they were applying for a judicial appointment. They talked about their vaunted legal theories and constitutional bullshit. Gaetz was the only one who said: 'Yeah, I'll go over there and start cuttin' f---in' heads.'"
More interesting in the article. We'll see how damning the report is.

Countless Republicans trashed Gaetz before and after his shocking nomination. His House colleagues' parting gift: a quick leak to Punchbowl that Gaetz was about to get hit with a damning House Ethics Committee report. The subject of the report: illegal drug use and sexual misconduct.

Gaetz resigned his Florida seat Wednesday, just before the Ethics Committee was set to hold a pivotal meeting on the Gaetz investigation. Gaetz's resignation ends the wide-ranging probe, Axios' Andrew Solender reports.

And then we have the below prediction. My guess is Trump will get the guy he wants, one way or another.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/senate-block-trump-gaetz-nomination-021449503.html
Former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy predicted that President-elect Donald Trump’s nomination of Matt Gaetz to be attorney general would be rejected by the Republican Senate next year.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Gaetz was the only one who said: 'Yeah, I'll go over there and start cuttin' f---in' heads.'"

Let's just assume this is accurate ... I'm suddenly about 50% more enthused about the choice than I was before reading it.

[Lathum]

Can't wait to see Matt Gaetzs plan for lowering the cist of eggs

[Mota]

We're soon going to find out that they don't actually want to make the lives of Americans better, they're just vindictive B words. You know what word I mean. I can't say it. But I waaaaaaaaant to say it.

[GrantDawg]

We are in the weirdest timeline.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna179936

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[Brian Swartz]

And those three things account for pretty much every vote )cast by a real person) for Harris or Biden.

On the contrary, I would say poor citizenship (at a minimum) accounts for everyone who would ever consider voting for Trump at this point for any position, under any circumstances, regardless of who the other major party opponent was; dogcatcher, president, or anything in between.

A great deal of his supporters, me very much included, are going to be very disappointed if he doesn't.

The amusing thing about this kind of overt endorsement of banana-republic style tactics is that they never work out. Even if Trump ends up being irresponsible enough and violating his oath of office enough to do this, he will eventually not be president anymore. And then you have to deal with the payback. The only way government can ever work is by people actually following the laws, not flouting them when it suits their whim.

[Ben E Lou]

Reporting coming out today that 10+ R Senators are going to vote "no" on Gaetz. Yesterday I saw a take from someone on the right (not sure who, was just scrolling) that was essentially "this is Trump's first true 4-D chess move in either of his terms" because it:

gets Gaetz out of the House, greatly improving morale for House Republicans (I literally LOLed when I read that)
demonizes non-MAGA R Senators who will vote not to confirm him
Simultaneously allows non-MAGA R Senators to look all statesmanlike because they "stood up to Trump" in the early days of round 2, so they can confirm just about everyone else with the cover of "we didn't just rubber-stamp all of them!"
Gives Gaetz an excuse to step down from the House before the vote on his conductEVERYBODY WINS!
(I think the post may have mentioned another outcome or two as well, but those are the ones I recall.)






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[Edward64]

If true, you think Gaetz is in on this 4-D move?

[Atocep]

I didn't see him having the votes since he's probably the most hated person on capital hill. I assumed the Rs would eventually fold and he'd get through though.

[Ben E Lou]

If true, you think Gaetz is in on this 4-D move?I have no idea. And keep in mind, the above was just one dude's take. I tend to doubt it's that deep. That said, another thought: what happens if he's not confirmed but Rubio is? Can't DeSantis just...make Gaetz a Senator at that point? And...why wouldn't he? On brand. Sticks it to the libs and the RINOs. Kisses up to Trump. That move seems to check all the boxes, no?

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[cuervo72]

I think he just happens to like Gaetz, views him as loyal, and gave him a slot. I don't think it's much deeper than that.

[JPhillips]

I think Gaetz said he was willing to do the things nobody else will and that appeals to Trump. Trump certainty doesn't give a damn about the effective management of the DoJ outside of how that effects him personally.

[Ben E Lou]

I think he just happens to like Gaetz, views him as loyal, and gave him a slot. I don't think it's much deeper than that.Yeah, if I had to guess, this. But the way it plays out could be...interesting.



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[Atocep]

He's always said he wanted his Roy Cohn. Gaetz is willing to be that guy. Trump doesn't think further ahead than that.

[cuervo72]

This basically: x.com (https://x.com/Ike_Saul/status/1857042044947980610)

[GrantDawg]

I have no idea. And keep in mind, the above was just one dude's take. I tend to doubt it's that deep. That said, another thought: what happens if he's not confirmed but Rubio is? Can't DeSantis just...make Gaetz a Senator at that point? And...why wouldn't he? On brand. Sticks it to the libs and the RINOs. Kisses up to Trump. That move seems to check all the boxes, no?

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I believe Desantis wants that seat in two years. I think part of Trump's thinking in picking Rubio was to bribe him off that seat and try to pressure Desantis to install Laura Trump into it. The immediate calls for Desantis to name her from the Trump people tells me that is the case. The main reason he wouldn't (beyond spite for Trump) is he wants the seat, and wants to pick someone who has no interest in keeping it. Gaetz would be the same problem.

Now, it is possible that Desantis chooses to not run for Senate to fully concentrate on a White House run. In that case he might pick Laura Trump to help suck up to the Trump people.

[RainMaker]

I think he just happens to like Gaetz, views him as loyal, and gave him a slot. I don't think it's much deeper than that.

Same. They have a lot in common. Both came from wealthy, powerful parents. Both love the lights and attention. And they share a common interest in underage girls (maybe boys too in Gaetz case).

[Lathum]

Simultaneously allows non-MAGA R Senators to look all statesmanlike because they "stood up to Trump" in the early days of round 2, so they can confirm just about everyone else with the cover of "we didn't just rubber-stamp all of them!"







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I can see there being some truth to this one. If you aren't willing to accept Gaetz you likely aren't willing to accept the FOX News guy and likely Gabbard. Vote no on Gaetz but let the other 2 through would give some cover.

Personally I think the votes should be secret ballot. Look at what happened with Thune vs. Scott. These people know right from wrong, they just care more about their careers in politics than doing the right thing.

[JPhillips]

Looks like a bunch of them are looking for reasons to obey the king.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What I’m hearing privately from a few key GOP senators: yes, they’d prefer to not have a messy fight over Gaetz. Not their favorite. But they also don’t have a lot of energy for pushing back. Trump runs the show, they say. If Gaetz can reassure them, they’re open to backing him.</p>&mdash; Robert Costa (@costareports) <a href="https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1857047122010398892?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Atocep]

Looks like a bunch of them are looking for reasons to obey the king.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What I’m hearing privately from a few key GOP senators: yes, they’d prefer to not have a messy fight over Gaetz. Not their favorite. But they also don’t have a lot of energy for pushing back. Trump runs the show, they say. If Gaetz can reassure them, they’re open to backing him.</p>&mdash; Robert Costa (@costareports) <a href="https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1857047122010398892?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Collins and Murkowski will vote no because it will be meaningless. A couple others will have concerns. But none of them want a war with Trump this early. They'll give him what he wants out the gate.

[Arles]

I think Trump is taking a page out of the "Bad Boys Pistons" playbook on Jordan and the Bulls. They would just go out fouling like crazy from the start and the Pistons knew the refs wouldn't have the stomach to foul the entire team out so they let a lot slide. Trump is dumping gasoline on the entire nomination process knowing that the congress won't have the stomach to reject a bunch of these guys.

If he just did Gaetz and a bunch of "normal nominations", he probably doesn't have a chance. But they can't block everyone so they have to decide which hill they want to die on (in regards to Trump).

[JPhillips]

Flood the zone is a Bannon thing from the first run.

[Brian Swartz]

Personally I think the votes should be secret ballot. Look at what happened with Thune vs. Scott. These people know right from wrong, they just care more about their careers in politics than doing the right thing.

This is exactly why they shouldn't be secret ballot. People have a right to know. The fact that the electorate is irresponsible enough to say 'why didn't you support Trump's unqualified nominations' rather than 'thank you for doing your job' doesn't mean we should hide from them what their Senators actually voted on the record.

[Atocep]

RFK Jr selected to lead HHS.

[JPhillips]

I thought I liked Jared Polis, but he's very excited about RFK Jr. so that's a hard no on him.

[Swaggs]

It is wild to look at cabinet members per tenure on wikipedia.

Trump had 7 acting and official Attorney Generals in his four years and 5 acting and official Secretaries of Health and Human Services. And 4 Secretaries of State. Most other recent presidents had 1 or 2 per 4 (or 8) year terms.

Worth noting that it isn't unusual to have an interim/acting during the initial confirmation periods at the beginning of terms, but good lord it seems crazy that people like Rubio or Markwayne Mullin, who both could have are senate seats for the next 30 years, would roll the dice to work in this administration given their likelihood of survival. I guess it is possible they (and the house members like Stefanik) are looking to fastback to their lobbying careers while they are still young enough to enjoy it.

[Atocep]

I thought I liked Jared Polis, but he's very excited about RFK Jr. so that's a hard no on him.

Was that tweet a tryout for MAGA so that he has something lined up when his term ends? WTF

[JPhillips]

Everything the right fantasizes about Soros, Elon is doing. He met with Iran's UN Ambassador to talk foreign policy.