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lolzcat
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Annapolis, Md
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English needs a new term
Okay, there's a phenomenon that needs a catchy term -- coin a new word, or a multi-word phrase -- to better describe it.
(I'm leaving the POL label off this for now, but this discussion could certainly go that way, and I will be merciless in dleeting it if this devolves into the usual POL horseshit, so be forewarned) Here's my first example: Setting, Cleveland. You're in the stands watching a Browns game, surrounded by ardent fans, suitably attired. There's a controversial play -- it looks like the CLE running back has fumbled the ball away in a critical situation, and that might cost the Browns an important game. (I know, work with me, this is a hypothetical) Now, the officials are looking at a replay, to determine whether the player's knee was down before the fumble. If it was, CLE gets to keep the ball, and might win the game. If it was not, CLE loses the ball and loses all hope. The replay goes up on the jumbo screen... and everyone has a look. It's a fairly close call, not a perfect angle. ...what do the fans around you say? Of course, they ALL conclude that his knee was down. It's patently obvious! Any blind man could see it! Plain as day! HE WAS DOWN! There are obviously situations where people's predisposed desires for a certain outcome not only guide their impressions of right and wrong, but they go beyond that and actually guide their impressions of true and false. Here, I don't know for certain, but I suspect that quite a lot of those Browns fans truly believe the knee was down... they want it to be true so badly than in their eyes, it's what they see. This is a phenomenon that any psorts fan can relate to. It also seems to happen in a wide range of other settings, including the political. I have yet to see or hear a particularly effective term for it, or if I have, it's just not coming to me at the moment. So, I present to you, the minds of FOFC, a request. What should thinking English speakers adopt as a term to describe this phenomenon? People shaping their impression of actual facts to suit the end result they desire.... we ought to call it... what? |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hometown of Canada
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Horseblinders Syndrome.
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2001
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is this similar to saying
Cleveland fans were predisposed to think the runner was down.
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College Starter
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: The DMV
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There is a whole slew of work in social and social-cognitive psychology that relates to this. To start, check out the little wiki article on Cognitive Biases:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias EDIT: "Confirmation Bias" may be the correct term to describe the phenomenon you wrote about above... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias Last edited by Klinglerware : 01-10-2007 at 09:35 AM. |
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: In Absentia
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OJ Syndrome
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: NYC
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Well if it's Cleveland, it's gotta incorporate "Earnest Byner" in some way.
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Strategy Moderator
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: North Carolina
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I think Quik wants something he can market, like a soft drink.. you know something catchy the people will get behind.
Blias blinders + bias = Blias, the new taste sensation! wow does that suck |
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: New Mexico
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I'm sure the lawyers of the board have a whole thesaurus of terms for this.
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College Starter
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: The DMV
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lolzcat
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Annapolis, Md
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Quote:
Excellent submission, and it might well be the correct clinically adopted term. I don't know, however, if it has any shot to be embraced by the non-clinical community. The great unwashed have a fondness for more down-to-earth terms. |
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: In Absentia
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Before we get too carried away with this, someone should check with Rich Hall. This has "sniglet" written all over it.
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M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete." |
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College Starter
Join Date: Dec 2001
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A term is going to be tough. The most applicable existing term would be that they are looking at the replay "through brown-(orange-?)colored glasses".
I got nothing original, though. How about a phrase - seeing it with your heart's eyes. I know it sucks but somebody outside my office just said "see it with my own two eyes" so it popped into my head. The more people that hate it, the better. Any cliché with a lifespan has a lot of haters.
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Oakland, CA
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The Browns have fans?
Wait, the Browns are back in the NFL?? When did this happen?? |
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lolzcat
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Annapolis, Md
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Resident Alien
Join Date: Jun 2001
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Homerphobia - the fear that a call will go against your team.
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: NYC
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Listen to this guy...I hear he knows a thing or two about this sport of football that people keep talking about. |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2001
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Quote:
Reality blinkers
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College Starter
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Burlington, VT USA
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Heart's eyes is what I came up with as I read the initial post.
Hometown myopia? |
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College Starter
Join Date: Dec 2001
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I've been trying to tell everyone how smart this guy is.
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
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Slant truth?
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Coordinator
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Chicagoland
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collective delusion
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
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Adjoined convergence?
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: New Mexico
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"selling to themselves"
Also known as "enron-ing". |
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Creative Director, Grey Dog Software
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Madison, WI
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Phenomenon in general: me-ality, meeality
As applied to sports: fanaticall (fan at i call) |
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lolzcat
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Annapolis, Md
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2002
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What you're describing is similar, but not exactly like, the concept of the Echo Chamber.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_chamber Quote:
Similarly, I think a big part of why everyone in the stadium thinks his knee was down is that, not only do they want it to be, but everyone around them seems to think so too.
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Awaiting Further Instructions...
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Macungie, PA
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Optical delusion
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Pro Starter
Join Date: May 2001
Location: toronto
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Asshat!
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College Starter
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Seattle
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Quote:
Bush Administrationism. |
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: New Mexico
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"Dutch"
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Tampa, FL
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Cleveland Fan #1 - "He was down!"
Cleveland Fan #2 - "No fumble! No way!" Cleveland Fan #3 - "Aw, c'mon ref, he was effin' DOWN!" Cleveland Fan #4 - "I'm sensing a little confirmation bias. Let the ref's do their jobs!" Hmmm, I don't know... Last edited by Dutch : 01-10-2007 at 03:22 PM. |
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High School Varsity
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Colorado
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I'm not sure this directly applies, but I think it's close.
Wizard's First Rule: "People will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true." (From Terry Goodkind's, Wizard's First Rule book.) So in this case, Brown's fans believe the knee was down because they want to believe it's true. Although I don't think you can go around saying "Wizard's First Rule"...that's not real catchy. Cleveland Fan #1 - "He was down!" Cleveland Fan #2 - "No fumble! No way!" Cleveland Fan #3 - "Aw, c'mon ref, he was effin' DOWN!" Cleveland Fan #4 - "Dude, Wizard's First Rule. Let the ref's do their jobs!" That's....just bad.
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: The Internets
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It's too bad IMetTrentGreen's name isn't easily converted into a verb.
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Torchbearer
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: On Lake Harriet
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You are using your [fill in your team's colors] colored glasses.
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2002
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If you want something you can use with sports fans, "goggles" tends to work well. As in, you're looking at that play through your [team] goggles.
Example: Me: "I don't know, I really think Sundin is one of the top five players in the league." Friend: "Guy, take off your Leaf goggles, would you?
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2002
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You had all day to post that, and you had to do it 30 seconds before me?
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Torchbearer
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: On Lake Harriet
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