leaves me wondering...

FrogMan · 10-18-2008, 07:04 PM

Take a look at this:

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Front Office Football 2007
Team Cap Room and Needs List
 
  Team            Cap Room Cntr    Draft Picks    Big Need  2nd Need  3rd Need  
Chicago           $43,330,000    51   $0          Start ILB Start QB  Start G     
Tampa Bay         $44,010,000    50   $0          Start ILB Start QB  Resrv OLB   
New York G        $22,700,000    50   $0          Start OLB Start ILB Start DT    
**New England     $11,940,000    50   $0          Start DT  Start CB  Resrv RB    
Dallas            $21,650,000    49   $0          Start WR  Start DT  Resrv ILB   
St. Louis         $44,370,000    48   $0          Start ILB Start T   Start C     
San Francisco     $54,000,000    47   $0          Start QB  Start RB  Start WR    
Seattle           $39,850,000    47   $0          Start T   Start RB  Start WR    
Tennessee         $38,380,000    47   $0          Start DE  Start ILB Start WR    
Houston           $16,150,000    47   $0          Start RB  Start T   Start QB    
Cleveland         $28,230,000    46   $0          Start RB  Start DE  Start DT    
Green Bay         $23,880,000    45   $0          Start ILB Start DE  Start S     
Miami             $43,930,000    44   $0          Start DT  Start WR  Start G     
Philadelphia      $42,720,000    44   $0          Start QB  Start ILB Start T     
Buffalo           $40,720,000    44   $0          Start C   Start ILB Start G     
Baltimore         $29,610,000    44   $0          Start CB  Start QB  Start WR    
Denver            $16,900,000    44   $0          Start ILB Start CB  Start TE    
Kansas City       $57,680,000    43   $0          Start ILB Start RB  Start QB    
Atlanta           $42,510,000    43   $0          Start FB  Start ILB Start WR    
Cincinnati        $32,030,000    43   $0          Start ILB Start DE  Start DT    
Carolina          $27,330,000    43   $0          Start ILB Start T   Start WR    
New Orleans       $26,040,000    43   $0          Start T   Start S   Start ILB   
Washington        $44,020,000    41   $0          Start ILB Start G   Start RB    
Detroit           $39,810,000    41   $0          Start CB  Start QB  Start ILB   
Indianapolis      $27,600,000    41   $0          Start ILB Start G   Start C     
New York J        $42,020,000    40   $0          Start T   Start WR  Start DE    
Pittsburgh        $15,920,000    40   $0          Start DE  Start DT  Start G     
Jacksonville      $42,560,000    39   $0          Start ILB Start WR  Start QB    
Arizona           $15,710,000    39   $0          Start ILB Start OLB Start TE    
Minnesota         $16,740,000    38   $0          Start QB  Start ILB Start TE    
Oakland           $14,930,000    29   $0          Start ILB Start WR  Start DE    
San Diego         $21,700,000    20   $0          Start DT  Start RB  Start ILB

This is from right after the draft. San Diego has only 20 players under contract. That's a bit ridiculous. Same goes for Oakland with only 29, but hey, it's the Raiders so I figured it was kind normal.

Is that a regular occurence in single player games?

FM

MizzouRah · 10-18-2008, 08:45 PM

Is this a product of the patch?

FrogMan · 10-18-2008, 10:28 PM

no clue, maybe it's always been that way and I just noticed.

It's a new career started post patch. Anybody knows if it's always been that way.

fwiw, San Diego loaded their roster with a ton of undrafted rookies after the draft, enough to bring them to 54 players.

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San Diego Chargers Roster, Scout Overview
   
  Player                #   Pos   Start Exp  Current Estimate  Future Estimate Cntrct 
McNeill, Marcus         73  LT    LT    6    87                87                3 yrs
Gates, Antonio          85  TE    TE    9    79                79                2 yrs
Cromartie, Antonio      31  RCB   RCB   6    77                77                3 yrs
Merriman, Shawne        56  SLB   SLB   7    77                77                4 yrs
Hardwick, Nick          61  C     C     8    77                77                4 yrs
Scifres, Mike           5   P           9    74                74                2 yrs
Castillo, Luis          93  LDE   LDE   7    71                71                4 yrs
Jackson, Vincent        83  FL    FL    7    69                69                5 yrs
Rivers, Philip          17  QB    QB    8    68                68                3 yrs
Jammer, Quentin         23  LCB   LCB   10   61                61                2 yrs
Dielman, Kris           68  RG    RG    9    60                60                2 yrs
Starks, Jay             74  RDE   RDE   3    57                57                3 yrs
Bronson, Shawn          24  SS    SS    1    56                80                4 yrs
Cason, Antoine          20  RCB         4    54                54                2 yrs
Brennan, Nolan          39  FS    FS    3    47                47                2 yrs
Wilkerson, Ben          66  LG    LG    6    42                42                1 yr.
$$Arnold, Tyrell        91  NT          2    42                48                3 yrs
Campbell, Lonnie        2   QB          3    38                54                2 yrs
Pariso, Donald          44  RB    RB    2    38                42                3 yrs
Johnstone, Steven       58  SLB         4    38                46                1 yr.
Rafter, Charles         82  TE          2    38                51                3 yrs
Stockton, Lester        16  K           1    37                46                1 yr.
Gerhart, Louie          13  K           1    36                58                1 yr.
Cook, Ryan              63  RT          6    35                35                1 yr.
Clark, Corey            69  RT    RT    4    34                42                1 yr.
Hopkins, Scott          46  FS          3    33                33                1 yr.
Oliver, Jesse           45  FB    FB    1    31                43                3 yrs
Hedgecock, Madison      30  FB          7    30                30                1 yr.
Hoover, Timothy         96  NT    NT    2    30                43                3 yrs
McConnell, Frankie      53  SILB  SILB  1    28                42                4 yrs
Dillon, Alonzo          32  RB          1    27                41                1 yr.
Coleman, Max            51  C           1    27                39                1 yr.
Schlafly, Austin        62  LG          1    26                40                1 yr.
Lanza, Rusty            98  NT          1    26                29                1 yr.
Watson, Marvin          40  RB          1    25                33                1 yr.
Thompson, Burt          52  WILB        4    24                42                1 yr.
##Brelsford, Sean       59  SILB        1    24                38                1 yr.
Burkett, Donnell        86  TE          1    24                31                1 yr.
Howard, Tito            89  SE          1    24                37                1 yr.
##Tornberg, Neil        57  SLB         2    23                40                2 yrs
Gardner, Peter          81  SE    SE    1    22                32                1 yr.
Mussatti, Toby          84  FL          1    22                35                1 yr.
Parker, Norm            88  FL          1    22                27                1 yr.
Strong, Alex            19  QB          1    21                34                1 yr.
Beito, Roderick         21  RCB         1    21                37                3 yrs
Carrano, Jerald         35  RCB         1    21                44                1 yr.
##Burroughs, Brad       41  FS          1    21                31                1 yr.
Guerrieri, Bart         94  WILB  WILB  1    21                32                1 yr.
Bates, Isaac            95  RDE         1    20                40                3 yrs
##Crownhart, Vincent    50  C           1    19                48                1 yr.
Gunn, Butch             55  WLB   WLB   4    19                37                1 yr.
##Gonzalez, Randy       67  RT          1    19                44                3 yrs
##Burgess, Kurt         97  WLB         1    19                29                3 yrs
##Murphy, Deron         79  RDE         1    12                40                3 yrs

Just find it kind of odd...
FM

sovereignstar · 10-18-2008, 11:29 PM

Yes, it's always been this way.

MizzouRah · 10-18-2008, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Yes, it's always been this way.

I haven't played in awhile, but I don't remember it being that bad.. I'll have to look at my new career after the first year.

Matthean · 10-19-2008, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Yes, it's always been this way.

One of the things I noticed was the sheer amount of open spots various teams had when I started my SP league and this was before the latest patch.

Ben E Lou · 10-19-2008, 10:52 AM

PRetty common pre-patch. I do have one question, though:

Quote:

San Diego loaded their roster with a ton of undrafted rookies after the draft

Did you mean immediately after the draft, as in FA2, or at the training camp stage? Pre-patch, it was at training camp when the teams with low numbers filled up. It was very rare for *any* AI teams to go after undrafted rookies in FA2 pre-patch, so I'm wondering if that has changed.

Ben E Lou · 10-19-2008, 10:52 AM

ADDENDUM: Besides punters and kickers.

Ben E Lou · 10-19-2008, 10:56 AM

Double dola:

And to be clear, having only one team at 20 and another at 29 is probably better than the average pre-6.2 situation right after the draft.

OldGiants · 10-19-2008, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

PRetty common pre-patch. I do have one question, though:

Did you mean immediately after the draft, as in FA2, or at the training camp stage? Pre-patch, it was at training camp when the teams with low numbers filled up. It was very rare for *any* AI teams to go after undrafted rookies in FA2 pre-patch, so I'm wondering if that has changed.

I'm seeing plenty of undrafted FAs on lousy teams pre-patch since I haven't actually found the time to play after patching.

I wanted to take over the worst team in my fictional league, but they had so much dead money spent on a few excellent players that there is no way to even pay for draft picks without cutting and piling up even more dead money.

I wonder why Jim G thinks those kind of contracts are a good AI strategy.

Ben E Lou · 10-19-2008, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldGiants

I'm seeing plenty of undrafted FAs on lousy teams pre-patch since I haven't actually found the time to play after patching.

Yes, they got on teams, but I'm commenting on when they get on teams. Pre-patch, the human owner had pretty much all of FA2 to himself with regard to signing rookies. The AI teams that needed to fill up didn't do so until TC.

FrogMan · 10-19-2008, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Did you mean immediately after the draft, as in FA2, or at the training camp stage? Pre-patch, it was at training camp when the teams with low numbers filled up. It was very rare for *any* AI teams to go after undrafted rookies in FA2 pre-patch, so I'm wondering if that has changed.

the stage from the transaction report states "Pre-Training Camp" for 16 free agents all signed for $350k so I assume not much have changed there.

So it looks like it's normal. Thanks for the info. As I said, I played a tiny bit when last year's patch came out but it's been a long while since I've played the game for any kind of longer career.

FM

Raiders Army · 10-20-2008, 07:02 AM

/agree

Most undrafted FAs are signed pre-training camp. I think very few are signed in FA2 by the AI...either pre- or post-patch.

10-19-2008, 10:52 AM	#8
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	ADDENDUM: Besides punters and kickers. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

10-19-2008, 10:56 AM	#9
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Double dola: And to be clear, having only one team at 20 and another at 29 is probably better than the average pre-6.2 situation right after the draft. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

10-18-2008, 08:45 PM	#2
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Is this a product of the patch?

10-18-2008, 11:29 PM	#4
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Yes, it's always been this way.

10-20-2008, 07:02 AM	#13
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	/agree Most undrafted FAs are signed pre-training camp. I think very few are signed in FA2 by the AI...either pre- or post-patch.

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