Ear plugs

MikeVic · 10-20-2008, 10:54 AM

Ok, so I have a lot of trouble sleeping. It got really bad a couple of years ago, so I tried various ear plugs, music, leaving the TV on, not drinking caffeine, taking a hot shower right before bed, not taking a hot shower right before bed, etc...

The problem is that every little thing bugs me when I try to fall asleep, and I'll wake up multiple times in the night and not get that REM sleep.

What I found helps so far is to use some silicon ear plugs that you roll into a ball and press against the opening of your ear. I've been doing this for over a year now, and feel like I sleep pretty normally now.

However, someone mentioned to me that they don't think it's healthy to do this every night. I've tried to alternate one night as an ear plug night, and then one night without. I never feel completely rested though, so I'd like to still use the ear plugs.

Does anyone know whether this person is right? Is there something wrong/unhealthy with using ear plugs every night? I wash them the next day, and throw them out after a week or two...

Thanks for any input.

MikeVic · 10-20-2008, 11:02 AM

I've been doing internet searching, and I've read the argument that ear plugs are made to use every day in machine shops, so there shouldn't be a problem for every night while sleeping as long as you can still hear the fire alarm and stuff... well, I can still wake up to my alarm clock so I'm under the impression that it's fine.

Pumpy Tudors · 10-20-2008, 11:19 AM

If you cuddle with Ellen Page, I guarantee that you'll sleep well.

So make it happen.

Mustang · 10-20-2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

However, someone mentioned to me that they don't think it's healthy to do this every night. I've tried to alternate one night as an ear plug night, and then one night without. I never feel completely rested though, so I'd like to still use the ear plugs.

Did Dr. McCoy actually give any reasons themselves or were they just repeating something that they might have heard from someone somewhere at sometime.

Anthony · 10-20-2008, 11:31 AM

you don't know how to shut your brain off. my wife is the same way sometimes, using what should be falling into sleep-time into let me think about what needs to be done tomorrow-time or let me worry about something-time.

when i'm having trouble going to sleep, i'll either think about my MP FOF team and roster moves i'd like to make or one thing that really works is i control my breathing. i inhale for 3 seconds, hold my breath for 3 seconds and i exhale deeply till my lungs are completely emptied of oxygen, and as i exhale i picture waves at a beach washing away. the point is how well you exhale deeply. the exhale should feel like you're releasing yourself. point is to slow your heart rate down and relax your mind.

every little noise you hear shouldn't concern you. are you scared there might be a stranger making that noise? if so, unless you have a weapon handy you're dead anyway so no use fretting over it. i keep a hammer under my bed so anyone who is stupid enough to come up to my room is about to have a bad nite and a splitting headache.

Fidatelo · 10-20-2008, 11:51 AM

Are you getting enough exercise? Not right before bed, but if you tire out your body throughout the day you shouldn't have too much trouble once you hit the pillow.

Lathum · 10-20-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

you don't know how to shut your brain off. my wife is the same way sometimes, using what should be falling into sleep-time into let me think about what needs to be done tomorrow-time or let me worry about something-time.

Anthony, mind if I ask you what she does to combat this? My wife is the same way, she has a pretty intense corporate sales job and wakes up often for hours at night.

Anthony · 10-20-2008, 12:04 PM

i believe she normally does the breathing excercises i posted here. i'm an ultra deep sleeper so her tossing and turning doesn't wake me, i hear about her bad nite of sleep after the fact. we have a baby now so she still gets up at 4 but now its for a good reason. keep in mind, if you're gonna do breathing excercises but worry "am i counting correctly???" or "did i exhale deeply enough???" or anything else then you're back where you started. sleep isn't something you have to do in the sense that it's not something you check off on a list. it's something you should look forward to and time you get to use for yourself to refresh yourself. its not the time to be worrying.

MikeVic · 10-20-2008, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

If you cuddle with Ellen Page, I guarantee that you'll sleep well.

So make it happen.

MikeVic · 10-20-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang

Did Dr. McCoy actually give any reasons themselves or were they just repeating something that they might have heard from someone somewhere at sometime.

No, it was just repeating what they heard...

MikeVic · 10-20-2008, 01:19 PM

I'm not scared of the noises, I don't know what it is, but it just bugs me and I can't sleep.

I find that when I'm super tired, like after exercising in the day or constantly doing physical activity all evening, I'll more than half the time fall asleep alright... but then I still wake up multiple times in the night and end up being very tired the next day.

Thanks for the input guys.

Lathum · 10-20-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

I'm not scared of the noises, I don't know what it is, but it just bugs me and I can't sleep.

I find that when I'm super tired, like after exercising in the day or constantly doing physical activity all evening, I'll more than half the time fall asleep alright... but then I still wake up multiple times in the night and end up being very tired the next day.

Thanks for the input guys.

have you ever been tested for sleep apnea?

MikeVic · 10-20-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

have you ever been tested for sleep apnea?

I was afraid of that a couple years ago, but since I can sleep OK when wearing ear plugs, I assumed it was just a mental thing. Wouldn't I still be waking up multiple times and all tired in the morning if I was wearing ear plugs (if I had sleep apnea)?

MJ4H · 10-20-2008, 01:29 PM

I sometimes have similar troubles where every noise bothers me. They don't wake me up, but if I'm not sleepy enough they can keep me from falling asleep. I found that white noise like a box fan can drown out the little noises enough to make it much better. Might be worth a try.

MikeVic · 10-20-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MJ4H

I sometimes have similar troubles where every noise bothers me. They don't wake me up, but if I'm not sleepy enough they can keep me from falling asleep. I found that white noise like a box fan can drown out the little noises enough to make it much better. Might be worth a try.

I tried a fan too, but it didn't do much to help me.

Lorena · 10-20-2008, 02:16 PM

Have you tried listening to nature CD's?

MikeVic · 10-20-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorena

Have you tried listening to nature CD's?

Yeah I have. I got one as a Christmas gift the year that I was having a lot of problems. I might have created another thread around that time about my trouble sleeping.

Pumpy Tudors · 10-20-2008, 02:22 PM

I suggest getting a large unkempt man to fart in your bedroom right after you get in bed. Once you smell the fart, you'll forget about everything else that might be occupying your mind.

I'm not sure if it will help you sleep, but it might make you pass out.

lordscarlet · 10-20-2008, 02:25 PM

Have you thought about seeing a doctor?

Lorena · 10-20-2008, 02:25 PM

Drink warm milk

Lorena · 10-20-2008, 02:28 PM

Picture multiple Ellen Pages in sheep's costume and count how many times she jumps over a fence.

Pumpy Tudors · 10-20-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorena

Picture multiple Ellen Pages in sheep's costume and count how many times she jumps over a fence.

And count the number of times she farts at the moment she clears the fence. The number may surprise you.

Lorena · 10-20-2008, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

If you cuddle with Ellen Page, I guarantee that you'll sleep well.

So make it happen.

Right after she gives him a massage.

MikeVic · 10-20-2008, 02:45 PM

I saw a doctor and he suggested stuff like not doing physical activity in the evening, not taking a shower before bed, no caffeine at all, and a bunch of stuff like that... none of which helped really.

I like the suggestions Pumpy and Lorena. I'll try them all.

Now back to the ear plug thing... I don't see why wearing them every night should be a problem. I also notice if I'm drunk, I don't use them and seem to fall asleep fine at least.

Pumpy Tudors · 10-20-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Now back to the ear plug thing... I don't see why wearing them every night should be a problem.

I can't imagine that the ear plugs would be a problem. My uneducated guess is that you're fine as long as the ear plugs aren't pushing ear wax deeper into the ear or something.

Fidatelo · 10-20-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Now back to the ear plug thing... I don't see why wearing them every night should be a problem. I also notice if I'm drunk, I don't use them and seem to fall asleep fine at least.

I'm not sure how comfortable you might be with this, but what about having a glass of wine or something every night before bed? Maybe it would relax you just enough to let you sleep ok? I guess you'd just have to be really careful not to start 'upping the dosage' if it worked at first and then stopped having any effect...

Lorena · 10-20-2008, 03:41 PM

Yeah i was gonna recommend the same but I'd imagine after a certain point, that same amount wont' work anymore.

Lathum · 10-20-2008, 03:50 PM

jerk off

JonInMiddleGA · 10-20-2008, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony

think about my MP FOF team and roster moves i'd like to make

It disturbs me a bit to know that we use the same basic technique for sleep therapy.

Schmidty · 10-20-2008, 05:46 PM

Drink some hooch.

Saul Goode · 10-20-2008, 06:53 PM

No more
Methamphetamine!!!

But seriously
You consume alcohol?? I used to drink a lot and had the same problem. Quit drinking. Ouit happening. Too much alcohol screws up sleep cycles.

You really should try prescription sleeping pills. Work like magic.

terpkristin · 10-20-2008, 07:32 PM

I can't think of any reason why wearing ear plugs could be dangerous, unless it's because you won't hear important things, like the fire alarm. There are people at my work who wear them all day everyday, I can't imagine it's any different to sleep in them than wear them 8-10 hours/daily.

Another thing you might try is Progressive Neuromuscular Relaxation. Basically, you work slowly up your body from your toes to your jaw and forehead, focusing on your breathing and contracting/extending each muscle in your body. So, start with your toes, curl them in, hold, then let them relax, then straighten them out as far as they'll go, hold, relax. Then move to the calf/ankle. Flex, hold, relax, extend, hold, relax. Etc. Works like a champ for me.

/tk

Anthony · 10-20-2008, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

It disturbs me a bit to know that we use the same basic technique for sleep therapy.

what i find funny is i go through the same routine every time - i say "ok, i'll think about my MP team right after saying prayers and i'll have a good 10-15 minutes of pure undisturbed front office decision making". i say my prayers, start to think about what positions i want to target in the upcoming draft and which current players i want to resign and literally within what feels like only 4 minutes i'm asleep.

Karlifornia · 10-20-2008, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Goode

No more
Methamphetamine!!!

But seriously
You consume alcohol?? I used to drink a lot and had the same problem. Quit drinking. Ouit happening. Too much alcohol screws up sleep cycles.

You really should try prescription sleeping pills. Work like magic...JBmagic...I say this because that's who I actually am.

Fixed.

jeheinz72 · 10-21-2008, 09:19 AM

My wife is the same way. She has a hard time sleeping and wakes up easily (and then has a hard time falling back asleep). She generally does some combination of:

- Reading before bed
- Taking a couple Tylenol PM-type pills
- Using earplugs

She almost always uses the earplugs and basically takes the PM's when she doesn't have time to read or feels extra awake when it's time to hit the sack.

I'd say over the past year she's used the earplugs maybe 90% of all nights, at least.

My guess is your "friend" is a prick who didn't realize what they made up would effect you so greatly. If the plugs work, use 'em.

MikeVic · 10-21-2008, 09:55 AM

If I'm playing a game like FOF, I go through my team in my head too.

It helps me keep my mind off other things, but didn't really help in falling asleep.

I forgot that I had some pill prescribed to me around the same time the doctor told me what to do, and the pills were supposed to relax your nerves. I forget the name of it, but they were really tiny and the doctor said they could be addicting, so I should stop taking them if they don't help (which they didn't).

I'll try various methods on weekends when I can, since I can always just go to sleep early or something if I have a bad night's sleep without ear plugs.

Thanks again.

10-20-2008, 11:19 AM	#3
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Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	i believe she normally does the breathing excercises i posted here. i'm an ultra deep sleeper so her tossing and turning doesn't wake me, i hear about her bad nite of sleep after the fact. we have a baby now so she still gets up at 4 but now its for a good reason. keep in mind, if you're gonna do breathing excercises but worry "am i counting correctly???" or "did i exhale deeply enough???" or anything else then you're back where you started. sleep isn't something you have to do in the sense that it's not something you check off on a list. it's something you should look forward to and time you get to use for yourself to refresh yourself. its not the time to be worrying. Last edited by Anthony : 10-20-2008 at 12:09 PM.

10-20-2008, 02:22 PM	#18
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I suggest getting a large unkempt man to fart in your bedroom right after you get in bed. Once you smell the fart, you'll forget about everything else that might be occupying your mind. I'm not sure if it will help you sleep, but it might make you pass out. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

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10-20-2008, 11:02 AM	#2
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I've been doing internet searching, and I've read the argument that ear plugs are made to use every day in machine shops, so there shouldn't be a problem for every night while sleeping as long as you can still hear the fire alarm and stuff... well, I can still wake up to my alarm clock so I'm under the impression that it's fine.

10-20-2008, 11:31 AM	#5
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	you don't know how to shut your brain off. my wife is the same way sometimes, using what should be falling into sleep-time into let me think about what needs to be done tomorrow-time or let me worry about something-time. when i'm having trouble going to sleep, i'll either think about my MP FOF team and roster moves i'd like to make or one thing that really works is i control my breathing. i inhale for 3 seconds, hold my breath for 3 seconds and i exhale deeply till my lungs are completely emptied of oxygen, and as i exhale i picture waves at a beach washing away. the point is how well you exhale deeply. the exhale should feel like you're releasing yourself. point is to slow your heart rate down and relax your mind. every little noise you hear shouldn't concern you. are you scared there might be a stranger making that noise? if so, unless you have a weapon handy you're dead anyway so no use fretting over it. i keep a hammer under my bed so anyone who is stupid enough to come up to my room is about to have a bad nite and a splitting headache.

10-20-2008, 01:19 PM	#11
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I'm not scared of the noises, I don't know what it is, but it just bugs me and I can't sleep. I find that when I'm super tired, like after exercising in the day or constantly doing physical activity all evening, I'll more than half the time fall asleep alright... but then I still wake up multiple times in the night and end up being very tired the next day. Thanks for the input guys.

10-20-2008, 01:29 PM	#14
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	I sometimes have similar troubles where every noise bothers me. They don't wake me up, but if I'm not sleepy enough they can keep me from falling asleep. I found that white noise like a box fan can drown out the little noises enough to make it much better. Might be worth a try.

10-20-2008, 02:16 PM	#16
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	Have you tried listening to nature CD's?

10-20-2008, 02:28 PM	#21
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	Picture multiple Ellen Pages in sheep's costume and count how many times she jumps over a fence.

10-20-2008, 02:45 PM	#24
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I saw a doctor and he suggested stuff like not doing physical activity in the evening, not taking a shower before bed, no caffeine at all, and a bunch of stuff like that... none of which helped really. I like the suggestions Pumpy and Lorena. I'll try them all. Now back to the ear plug thing... I don't see why wearing them every night should be a problem. I also notice if I'm drunk, I don't use them and seem to fall asleep fine at least.

10-20-2008, 03:41 PM	#27
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	Yeah i was gonna recommend the same but I'd imagine after a certain point, that same amount wont' work anymore.

10-20-2008, 03:50 PM	#28
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	jerk off

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10-20-2008, 06:53 PM	#31
Saul Goode Banned Join Date: Mar 2008	No more Methamphetamine!!! But seriously You consume alcohol?? I used to drink a lot and had the same problem. Quit drinking. Ouit happening. Too much alcohol screws up sleep cycles. You really should try prescription sleeping pills. Work like magic.

10-20-2008, 07:32 PM	#32
terpkristin Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ashburn, VA	I can't think of any reason why wearing ear plugs could be dangerous, unless it's because you won't hear important things, like the fire alarm. There are people at my work who wear them all day everyday, I can't imagine it's any different to sleep in them than wear them 8-10 hours/daily. Another thing you might try is Progressive Neuromuscular Relaxation. Basically, you work slowly up your body from your toes to your jaw and forehead, focusing on your breathing and contracting/extending each muscle in your body. So, start with your toes, curl them in, hold, then let them relax, then straighten them out as far as they'll go, hold, relax. Then move to the calf/ankle. Flex, hold, relax, extend, hold, relax. Etc. Works like a champ for me. /tk __________________ GO TERPS! https://www.flickr.com/photos/terpkristin https://twitter.com/terpkristin

10-21-2008, 09:55 AM	#36
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	If I'm playing a game like FOF, I go through my team in my head too. It helps me keep my mind off other things, but didn't really help in falling asleep. I forgot that I had some pill prescribed to me around the same time the doctor told me what to do, and the pills were supposed to relax your nerves. I forget the name of it, but they were really tiny and the doctor said they could be addicting, so I should stop taking them if they don't help (which they didn't). I'll try various methods on weekends when I can, since I can always just go to sleep early or something if I have a bad night's sleep without ear plugs. Thanks again.

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