civil sexual assault charges against Big Ben

[muns]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

I saw the pictures on TMZ, she's not bad, just a little above average, was better with the black hair. She ain't no Lily Allen though... (actually she's more attractive then Lily IMO).

Sorry Dan but she isnt above average at all. Without trying to be a total ass because of the sensitive situation, I gotta say that if thats what a two time super bowl champ is trying to hook up with at night, its dissapointing.

[Bad-example]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

She ain't no Lily Allen though... (actually she's more attractive then Lily IMO).

I would much rather have sex with her then Lily Allen.

Aw, who am I kidding? Lily can go first if she really wants to.

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by muns

Sorry Dan but she isnt above average at all. Without trying to be a total ass because of the sensitive situation, I gotta say that if thats what a two time super bowl champ is trying to hook up with at night, its dissapointing.

Well in the context of the real world, she's slightly average. In the context of a superstar athlete she's below. Is that better?

[Dr. Sak]

[Grammaticus]

I saw an article that indicated a criminal investigation or an attempt to file one in Nevada are to remain confidential. So it is possible the only people who know of a filing are the person making the complaintent and the police.

Maybe she is trying to file one or filed one and it was rejected due to lack of evidence and she is now proceeding with a civil suit. I'm sure we will find out as people start to talk.

[muns]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

Well in the context of the real world, she's slightly average. In the context of a superstar athlete she's below. Is that better?

ya I guess I can agree with slightly average. Anyone know how old she is? The pics show her with a kid, 35 ish????

[muns]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Dola-

I was wondering when you were going to weigh in. This makes his what 2nd or 3rd major dumbass thing he has gotten himself into?

[sabotai]

TMZ is the source....but this may give light to what was meant in previous articles about claims of hotel staff served as aiders and abettors.

Roethlisberger Accuser -- I Tried to Report It | TMZ.com

The woman accusing Ben Roethlisberger of sexual assault claims she tried to tell the head of hotel security about the incident the day after it happened -- but the guy completely blew her off and threatened her job.

In her lawsuit filed last week in Nevada, Andrea McNulty claims Guy Hyder -- the chief of security at Harrah's in Lake Tahoe -- told her she was "over-reacting" and that "most girls would feel lucky to have sex with someone like Ben Roethlisberger."

McNulty also claims Hyder told her that John Koster -- the president of the hotel - will "personally fire you for starting rumors about Roethlisberger's personal life."

[muns]

As a Steeler fan, thats not a good sign

[Pumpy Tudors]

I haven't read any of this news closely enough to form an opinion on the situation, but this woman looks better than about 95% of the young women I've seen in Pittsburgh. That's my only comment.

[EagleFan]

All I heard is that she said that he obviously wasn't given the nickname Big Ben by anyone who has seen him in the shower.....

[muns]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

I haven't read any of this news closely enough to form an opinion on the situation, but this woman looks better than about 95% of the young women I've seen in Pittsburgh. That's my only comment.

You must not leave greensburg too often pumpy. Maybe at the loft (is that place still open?) but not downtown. I totally disagree.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by muns

You must not leave greensburg too often pumpy. Maybe at the loft (is that place still open?) but not downtown. I totally disagree.

Well, OK, I was completely exaggerating. It's just easy to make fun of Pittsburgh in any way possible.

[muns]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Well, OK, I was completely exaggerating. It's just easy to make fun of Pittsburgh in any way possible.

my bad I should have known

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by muns

Dola-

I was wondering when you were going to weigh in. This makes his what 2nd or 3rd major dumbass thing he has gotten himself into?

I don't know if he did it or not but I do know there are people out there that want to make a buck too. If he did it, I hope he pays...if he didn't, I hope she does.

[fantom1979]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

I don't know if he did it or not but I do know there are people out there that want to make a buck too. If he did it, I hope he pays...if he didn't, I hope she does.

basically how I feel. Whoever is wrong here can burn in hell for all i care.... and if those quotes from the hotel/casino guys are true, they can burn as well.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

I'm not sure this is legit, I spent all day reading and watching ESPN and there was no mention of this.

[MrBug708]

Kobe liason tried to get him thrown in jail, realized she didnt have much of a case, so she took him to Civil Court to make him pay her to go away.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

I'm not sure this is legit, I spent all day reading and watching ESPN and there was no mention of this.

I usually watch ESPN while I shower in the morning and I also thought it odd there was no mention of it at all.

[JeeberD]

Hmmm...Deadspin has this pic regarding ESPN's coverage, but I don't know if it's real because I can't find it anywhere on the actual site.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

I'm not sure this is legit, I spent all day reading and watching ESPN and there was no mention of this.

It is interesting that this doesn't even get a headline on the NFL page on ESPN.com, while it's on the front page of Boston.com. Definitely varying opinions about whether this is news at this point.

[PilotMan]

Remember the Duke Lacrosse team, remember the reports, and remember the public outcry. Yeah, I am a steeler fan, but a year, and no criminal reports, and something doesn't smell right. There has to be more of the story than what has come out so far.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by TMZ

In her lawsuit filed last week in Nevada, Andrea McNulty claims Guy Hyder -- the chief of security at Harrah's in Lake Tahoe -- told her she was "over-reacting" and that "most girls would feel lucky to have sex with someone like Ben Roethlisberger."

McNulty also claims Hyder told her that John Koster -- the president of the hotel - will "personally fire you for starting rumors about Roethlisberger's personal life."

Sounds like she should be suing the hotel. Has a heck of a claim for that.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Originally Posted by molson

It is interesting that this doesn't even get a headline on the NFL page on ESPN.com, while it's on the front page of Boston.com. Definitely varying opinions about whether this is news at this point.

Actually I was being a bit disengenuous. As PFT has documented (as well as Florio being the guy who broke the story), ESPN has issued a DO NOT REPORT memo on the subject, and has given really no justification for it.

[fantom1979]

I was listening to Dan Patrick's radio show yesterday morning, and they thought ESPN wasn't reporting on it because ESPN did not break the story. And if ESPN doesn't break it, then it isn't news.

Now, not really sure how good of a quote that is, considering that Patrick and ESPN have some history.

[Noop]

Interesting POVs expressed in this thread. I find it rather odd that there was no criminal investigation and ESPN has not reported anything.(Too my knowledge)

[Easy Mac]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

I saw the pictures on TMZ, she's not bad, just a little above average, was better with the black hair.

no she's not

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I usually watch ESPN while I shower in the morning and I also thought it odd there was no mention of it at all.

ESPN protects who it wants and the NFL has a very cozy relationship with them.

[MrKordell]

She never went to the police

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Welcome to the conversation ESPN!

[BrianD]

Odd, in the recent TMZ photos, she doesn't look all that attractive. Do a Google Image search on her name and it brings up a couple of pictures supposedly of them together. Looks quite hot in those.

[muns]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Odd, in the recent TMZ photos, she doesn't look all that attractive. Do a Google Image search on her name and it brings up a couple of pictures supposedly of them together. Looks quite hot in those.

I dont think those are the same pics of the chick in question. Those pics look like ones where he went back to Miami Ohio to party earlier on in his career.

[stevew]

It becomes much more of a story if it isn't tossed out as meritless by a judge.

I figure he would have paid her off if he even thought he was wrong. Go the Kobe route.
This is more like the Bettis case.

Sexual disrespect is probably more what this is.

Anyways, it looks nearly impossible for her to win this. She will get destroyed on the stand.

[Drake]

Consider the source, of course, but there's the possibility that she's just fucking unhinged:

Bizarre Twist in Roethlisberger Assault Case | TMZ.com

Sources connected to the Ben Roethlisberger sexual assault case claim the psychiatric care the accuser says she's under has nothing to do with Ben .... it has to do with a relationship she had with a man who never existed.

Andrea McNulty has sued Roethlisberger, the Pittsburgh Steelers Super Bowl champ, claiming he sexually assaulted her in July 2008. Sources tell us Roethlisberger and McNulty had a sexual liaison at the time but Ben insists it was purely consensual. We're told the two knew each other because Ben had stayed at Harrah's in Lake Tahoe over the last several years for golf tournaments -- and she worked at the hotel.

Sources connected with the case tell us a former co-worker of McNulty's at Harrah's came forward with this incredible story -- that around the time McNulty hooked up with Roethlisberger, she was allegedly involved with a married man. The man's wife, we're told, created an email account, posing as a U.S. soldier in Iraq. The wife began corresponding with McNulty to gain information. We're told the former co-worker has said McNulty fell in love with the fictitious soldier and began telling people she was engaged to him. When the wife stopped the correspondence, McNulty then began telling people the soldier was killed in action.

We're told McNulty told at least one co-worker she began seeing a psychiatrist because of the phantom soldier.

We tried repeatedly getting in touch with McNulty. So far we have been unable to reach her.

[Kodos]

Did they try contacting the soldier?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Welcome to the conversation ESPN!

No shit. Almost a week late. Somewhat destroys their journalistic integrity.

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

No shit. Almost a week late. Somewhat destroys their journalistic integrity.

they destroyed that many years ago

[albionmoonlight]

Soldier?

She's seeing Roethlisberger and Kellen Winslow? She must have a thing for the AFC Central.

[muns]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Soldier?

She's seeing Roethlisberger and Kellen Winslow? She must have a thing for the AFC Central.

If Winslow played in the AFC Central

[stevew]

Or if Big Ben played in the AFC central either. Or if that division has existed in the post 2001 era.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

So... Having sex with a woman puts you in poor position? I just don't see how this really is preventable. Heck how about if he didn't even touch her, how is it preventable? Not trying to pick you apart, just trying to understand your reasoning...

He put himself in a poor position by being alone with a woman he obviously has no relationship with. These famous people, athletes and otherwise, have to know they are targets everywhere they go. For the record, he admitted having consensual sex with her. I would say this type of thing is preventable by always knowing where you are, who you are with, and knowing what will probably happen. Can't prevent everything that goes on, but going to a room with a woman who works at a casino, alone, and having sex = trouble.

[muns]

Originally Posted by stevew

Or if Big Ben played in the AFC central either. Or if that division has existed in the post 2001 era.

WINNER

[muns]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

He put himself in a poor position by being alone with a woman he obviously has no relationship with. These famous people, athletes and otherwise, have to know they are targets everywhere they go. For the record, he admitted having consensual sex with her. I would say this type of thing is preventable by always knowing where you are, who you are with, and knowing what will probably happen. Can't prevent everything that goes on, but going to a room with a woman who works at a casino, alone, and having sex = trouble.

I could swear that an article I read said they knew each other before hand from other trips he made there?

[RomaGoth]

I wonder if maybe Ben decided to move on to another woman and this McNutty woman couldn't handle it and went kinda batty. I completely understand the whole not going to the cops thing after being raped, but I would be more inclined to believe that if this woman was ten or fifteen years younger. At thirty something, doesn't she have her shit together enough to at least report being raped? I smell something here, and it isn't roses. Maybe it's tuna.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by muns

I could swear that an article I read said they knew each other before hand from other trips he made there?

Yes, very true. I didn't see that until after I posted. Either way, he has to know better than to be doing this stuff with obviously mentally unstable women. He should have asked the soldier about her background first.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

He put himself in a poor position by being alone with a woman he obviously has no relationship with. These famous people, athletes and otherwise, have to know they are targets everywhere they go. For the record, he admitted having consensual sex with her. I would say this type of thing is preventable by always knowing where you are, who you are with, and knowing what will probably happen. Can't prevent everything that goes on, but going to a room with a woman who works at a casino, alone, and having sex = trouble.

....without a hidden video recorder on.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Who didn't see this...er...coming-

Woman's affidavit supports Roethlisberger's denial of sexual assault

[NewIdentity]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Who didn't see this...er...coming-

Woman's affidavit supports Roethlisberger's denial of sexual assault

But, the same thing happened in the Tyson case. Hours before the rape the woman told one of her fellow pagent winners that she was going to go fuck Mike Tyson, and then hours later she was raped by Mike Tyson in his hotel room. ???



If you ask me threesomes are the only way for someone to have sex. That way the police can get the women in 2 separate rooms and pick their stories apart.

[stevew]

Roethlisberger's lawyer releases e-mails in defense

Wednesday, August 19, 2009
By Dan Majors and Amy McConnell Schaarsmith, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Less than 24 hours after she claims she was sexually assaulted by Ben Roethlisberger, his accuser sent an e-mail saying she was preparing to go to dinner with the Steelers quarterback and a few others, according to Mr. Roethlisberger's lawyer.

The note was among nearly two dozen e-mails and more than 150 instant messages that were released yesterday by Mr. Roethlisberger's lawyer, William David Cornwell Sr., of Atlanta.

"This golf tournament has been really fun," the woman said in her e-mail discussing the celebrity golf tournament Mr. Roethlisberger was attending in Lake Tahoe, Nev. "I am beat though because we are out until four in the morning by the time we are done.

"I am really excited because we are all going to see Journey tonight and that will be sooooo much fun. Speaking of which, I need to head over to a dinner with [Mr. Roethlisberger] and a few others before heading out. I will be back and working until at least 3am again."

The e-mails' tone and contents, Mr. Cornwell said, "prove she was not raped by Ben Roethlisberger."

Calvin R.X. Dunlap, the Reno, Nev.-based attorney for the plaintiff, did not return a request for comment last night. The Post-Gazette does not name alleged victims of sexual assault.

Mr. Roethlisberger has been sued in a civil complaint by a 31-year-old employee of Harrah's Lake Tahoe, who alleged that he raped her in his hotel room during a celebrity golf tournament last summer. The woman also sued eight co-workers who she said helped cover it up.

In her complaint, the plaintiff said the assault occurred "at or about 10:40 p.m." on July 11, 2008. The e-mail discussing the dinner with Mr. Roethlisberger and others was time-stamped at 6:43 p.m. the next day.

Mr. Cornwell said in a statement that "sexual assault cases often hinge on 'she said, he said,' " and the e-mails from Mr. Roethlisberger's accuser "directly refute the scurrilous allegations made in her complaint."

When asked about the authenticity of the e-mails that he released to news outlets, Mr. Cornwell replied in an e-mail to the Post-Gazette: "We have a good-faith basis to believe that these are [the plaintiff's] communications."

In a request for a change of venue filed in Reno, Nev., last week, Mr. Roethlisberger's attorneys pointed to a series of e-mails between the plaintiff and "a fictional soldier" that they said led to her having a "psychological breakdown."

According to an eight-page affidavit filed by Angela Antonetti, a former co-worker and friend of Mr. Roethlisberger's accuser, the online relationship was a hoax played upon the accuser by the wife of a married man with whom she'd had an affair.

"Soldier Ben," in the e-mails, is identified as the fictitious "Ben Millikan," who sent the plaintiff romantic and playful messages that led her to believe he would marry her upon his return from Iraq.

The e-mails released by Mr. Roethlisberger's lawyer begin July 9, two days before the woman claims she was raped, continue through the days after the alleged assault, and end five months later on Dec. 15.

Mr. Cornwell used the e-mails to point out what he said are contradictions between what Mr. Roethlisberger's accuser claims in her lawsuit and what she said in the exchanges with "Ben Millikan."

For example, he said, the accuser's complaint indicates that the alleged assault "took place on July 11, 2008, at or after 10:40 p.m." -- after which, she said, she left the building, "and went to her truck, in the parking lot, and drove away, very distraught and crying."

Yet in an e-mail to "Ben Millikan" at 12:41 a.m., about two hours later, Mr. Cornwell said, the plaintiff wrote: "aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh I finally got away."

In another e-mail nine minutes later, she wrote: "hahah I was just reading this and noticed you said 'tiored widdle bwue eyes ...' "

Mr. Cornwell also said, "Five months after she claims Mr. Roethlisberger sexually assaulted her, [the plaintiff] apparently tells Ben Millikan: 'I would date Ben Roethlisberger,'" if her online boyfriend and she broke up.

When "Ben Millikan" makes light of her claim, she informs him, "I'm dead serious. ... [Mr. Roethlisberger] said he would take me to this place he has in Wyoming and they horseback into this fishing hole and camp."

Mr. Cornwell said the e-mails "are merely the tip of the investigative iceberg" and that the plaintiff "should abandon her lawsuit immediately and admit that Ben Roethlisberger did not rape her."

In a court filing Monday in Reno, an attorney for Stacy Dingman, one of the Harrah's employees sued in the case, asked a court to dismiss the counts against her. Ms. Dingman, who no longer works for Harrah's, was sued by her former co-worker for intentional infliction of emotional distress, invasion of privacy, trespass, defamation and conspiracy.

Roethlisberger's lawyer releases e-mails in defense

Aretha Franklin is warming up.....