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Obscure cross-country uni rule costs HS team title
Officials defend cross country uniform rule -- baltimoresun.com
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Rules are rules, yes. But man, what a stupid rule. |
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10-30-2009, 01:25 PM | #2 |
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I dunno man. Multi-colored underwear has the potential to ruin the world.
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10-30-2009, 01:27 PM | #3 |
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Not quite as bad as the runners that got disqualified for wearing Livestrong wrist bands.
LIVESTRONG band decision provoked furor - ESPN
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10-30-2009, 01:31 PM | #4 |
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When I ran XC in high school in Maine, by the time the end of the season kids were wearing hats, gloves, long-sleeve shirts under their tops and/or full spandex on their legs, depending on the weather. If this rule is being enforced in Maine I'm sure some of the teams from poorer, more rural areas, would resent having to spend extra money to make sure all of their accessories match.
So yeah, it's a stupid rule. Besides, XC isn't a "team" sport 100%, at least not enough to use that as an argument for this rule. |
10-30-2009, 01:41 PM | #5 |
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I understand that a rule is a rule, but does the rule specifically provide that disqualification is the only possible punishment? I really wonder what the exact language is in this book.
It seems that a rule violation that has no bearing on the competition can be handled differently, starting with a warning and escalating from there. I don't see why it has to be disqualification unless that's plainly spelled out in the rules.
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10-30-2009, 01:46 PM | #6 |
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Stupid beyond belief.
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10-30-2009, 01:47 PM | #7 |
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Another blow to common sense.
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10-30-2009, 01:55 PM | #8 | |
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While looking at the Maryland state HS bylaws I ran across something unusual (or at least it struck me odd)
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So if, for example, a football team has a bye week coming up and the coach wants to give them Monday off, by this rule it appears he can't actually do that (without resorting to some sort of five minute long team meeting that's officially called "practice" for that day). I know that's aside from the underoos stitching question but WTF causes a rule like this to exist in the first place? Was there some problem in Maryland with teams not practicing enough?
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10-30-2009, 01:59 PM | #9 |
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Also, I still haven't found the specific rule citation nor what penalty is proscribed for it (since the NFSHSA doesn't appear to have their rules online for anyone except paying members) but I did find a press release which described the "points of emphasis" for 2010, including "application of “design of uniform” for relays and cross country."
edit to add: Also found where the press release for the previous year's points of emphasis included "visible undergarments".
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Apparently it's a national high schools rule. I looked at the comments and most people were like us and thought WTF, but a few defended it, of course. And one in particular said, that apparently the exposed areas could have a sponsor's name on it or something. But the national high school federation seems more interested in making rules than actually making sense anyway, so...I guess we shouldn't be too surprised. What messed me up is that some teams got notified ahead of time of the rule when they were in violation before the race, others weren't and then someone noticed or an official was notified and a player DQ'd as a result of what's clearly not an evenly applied infraction. Seems fishy to me at best. I doubt one of other coaches did it, but maybe an official with an axe to grind? This team was the defending champs after all and at this level, the officials are usually not too far connected from the teams themselves. I was just a county title meet, not state event..so, that seems to raise the possibility of shenanigans to me. |
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10-30-2009, 02:03 PM | #12 |
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Frankly I can understand the undergarment thing better than the (unrelated) mandatory practice thing.
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Yeah, I saw that but I was looking for the full version in response to the query up the thread about whether DQ was the proscribed remedy for violations.
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10-30-2009, 11:44 PM | #15 |
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I wonder if the multi-colored undies in question were patriotic.
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Okay, in conjunction with a couple of other things I saw, that bit about the select teams/hs teams kind of makes sense and I suspect your interpretation is the correct one. No such rule in GA afaik, so I'd never encountered that before.
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10-31-2009, 12:35 AM | #17 |
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Dumb enforcement of the rule. But if it is a point of emphasis the coach really shit the bed too.
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10-31-2009, 12:37 AM | #18 |
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The red should have never let anyone off the starting line uh violation if he was going to enforce the rule It is kinda like the pinetar bat incident. |
10-31-2009, 12:47 AM | #19 |
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This is a pretty crappy situation, but how does the coach not take care of this problem before it happens? I has been emphasized the past 2 years. This should have been taken care of long before a championship meet.
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10-31-2009, 01:02 AM | #20 |
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My daughter ran track in HS in Maryland. They have some of the most nit picky rules I have ever seen. She was DQ'ed once for having a different color shirt under her uniform than the rest of the relay team. Two girls had on a dark blue while the others were a slightly darker shade. Never mind the fact that the girls were running outside in the rain in about 40 degree weather. Another kid was DQ'ed because he had a band-aid on his ear. Half the schools in the county I live can barely come up with uniforms let alone matching ones. The kids run in some of the most extreme conditions and there are worried about stitch colors ?
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