Character Draft Voting Thread

[Barkeep49]

We recently completed a draft of all time great characters. Please vote for your 1st, 2nd, and 3rd favorite teams. Scoring will be done using the 5/3/1 system. We will keep voting open through Sunday and declare our winner Monday morning.

The drafting restrictions were
1. You MUST pick 1 and only 1 of all of the character types.
2. You MUST pick 1 and only 1 of all of the creator types.
3. A SPECIFIC creator can only be selected once by anyone in the entire draft.
4. Religious figures are not eligible to be drafted

The character types were:
Movie Character
Literary Character
Television Character
Play/Musical/Operatic (Live Performance) Character
Comic/Animated Character
Computer/Video Game Character
Hero
Villain
Female Character
Child Character

The Creator Types were:
Pre-19th Century Creation
19th Century Creation
Pre-WWII 20th Century Creation (1900-1945)
Cold War Creation (1945-1990)
Modern Day Creation (1990-Present)
Female Creator
Multiple Person Creator
One Great Work Creator (Creator associated with only one work)
Unknown/Anonymous Creator
Non-European/American Creator

List of Teams

DeToxRox
1.1 George Costanza, TV Character, Modern Day (Larry David)
2.8 Cartman, Child, Multiple Creators (Trey Parker & Matt Stone)
3.1 Mario, Computer/Video Game, Cold War Creation (Shigreu Miyamoto)
4.8 Godzilla, Villain, One Great Work (Tomoyuki Tanaka)
5.1 Santa Claus, Hero, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
6.8 Ichabad Crane, Literary Character, 19th Century (Washington Irvine)
7.1 Dorthy Gale, Female, Pre-WWII (L. Frank Baum)
8.8 Dido Queen of Carthrage, Live Performance, Pre-19th Century (Christopher Marlowe)
9.1 Mary Catherine Gallagher, Female, Female Creator (Molly Shannon)
10.8 Ichi the Killer, Movie Character, Non-European/American Character (Hideo Yamamoto)

Danny
1.2 Darth Vader, Villain, Cold War Creation (George Lucas)
2.7 Frankenstein's Monster, Literary, Female (Mary Shelley)
3.2 Homer Simpson, Comic/Animated Character, Modern Day (Matt Groenig)
4.7 Optimus Prime, Hero, Multiple Creators
5.2 Alice, Child, 19th Century (Lewis Carrol)
6.7 Mother Nature, Female, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
7.2 Solid Snake, Computer/Video Game, Non-European/American (Hideo Kojima)
8.7 Lucy Ricardo, TV, One Great Work
9.2 Oediupus, Live Performance, Pre-19th Century (Sophocles)
10.7 Charles Foster Kane, Movie Character, Pre-WWII Creation (Orson Welles)

Lathum
1.3 Harry Potter, Child, Female Creator (JK Rowling)
2.7 Roland the Gunslinger, Literary, Cold War (Stephen King)
3.3 Frodo Baggins, Hero, Pre-WWII Creation (JRR Tolkien)
4.6 The Phantom of the Opera, Play/Musical/Operatic (Live Performance) Character, Multiple creators (Andrew Lloyd Webber and Charles Hart)
5.3 Beavis, Comic/Animated, Modern Day (Mike Judge)
6.6 Hester Prynne, Female, 19th Century (Nathaniel Hawthorn)
7.3 Samus Arun, Computer/Video Game, Non-European/American (Makoto Kano)
8.6 Boogeyman, Villain, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
9.3 Peter Griffin, TV, One Great Work (Seth McFarland)
10.7 Zeus, Movie, Unknown/Anonymous Creator

wade moore
1.4 Superman, Comic/Animated Character, Multiple Creators (Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster)
2.5 Holden Caulfield, Child Character, One Great Work (JD Salinger)
3.4 PacMan, Computer/Video Game Character, Non-European/American Creator (Tōru Iwatani)
4.5 James Bond, Movie Character, Cold War Era (Ian Fleming)
5.4 Tony Soprano, Television, Modern Day (David Chase)
6.5 Odysseus, Hero, Pre-19th Century (Homer)
7.4 Peter Pan, Live Performance, Pre-WWII (JM Barrie)
8.5 Jane Eyre, Female Character, Female Creator (Charlotte Bronte)
9.4 Big Bad Wolf, Villain, Unknown/Anonymous
10.5 Hunchback of Notre Dame, Literary, 19th Century (Victor Hugo)

spleen
1.5 Robin Hood, Hero, Unknown/Anonymous
2.4 Huckleberry Finn, Child Character, 19th Century (Mark Twain)
3.5 Hello Kitty, Female Character, Non-European/American Creator (Yuko Shimizu)
4.4 Moby Dick, Villain, One Great Work (Herman Meilville)
5.5 Medusa, movie, Pre-19th Century
6.4 Bugs Bunny, Comic/Annimation, Pre-WWII (Tex Avery)
7.5 Mary Poppins, Literary, Female Creator (PL Travers)
8.4 Archie Bunker, Television, Cold War (Norman Lear)
9.5 Danny Zuko, Live Performance, Multiple Creators (Jim Jacobs & Warren Casey)
10.4 Gordon Freeman, Computer/Video Game Character, Modern Day Creation

mustang
1.6 Sherlock Holmes, Literary, 19th Century (Arthur Conan Doyle)
2.3 Batman, Comic/Animated, Cold War (Bob Kane/Bill Finger)
3.6 Grim Reaper, Villain, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
4.3 Captain James T. Kirk, Hero, One Great Work (Gene Roddenberry)
5.6 Little Orphan Annie, Live Performance, Pre-WWII (Harold Gray)
6.3 Master Chief, Computer/Video Game, Modern Creation
7.6 Cinderella, Female Character, Pre-19th Century Creator (Perrault)
8.3 Sailor Moon, Child, Non-European/American Creator (Naoko Takeuchi)
9.6 Lestat de Lioncourt, Movie, Female Creator (Anne Rice)
10.3 Hawkeye Pierce, TV, Multiple Creators

larrymcg
1.7 Dracula, Villain, 19th Century (Bram Stroker)
2.2 King Arthur, Hero, Pre-19th Century Creation
3.7 Mickey Mouse - Comic/Animated Character, Pre-WWII Creation (Walt Disney & Ub Iwerks)
4.2 Beowulf, Literary, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
5.7 Scarlett O'Hara, Female Character, Female Creator (Margaret Mitchell)
6.2 Sonic the Hedgehog, Computer/Video Game Character, Non-European/American Creator (ViYuji Naka, Naoto Ōshima)
7.7 Pinnochio, Child, One Great Work (Carlo Collodi)
8.2 Arthur "Fonzie" Fonzarelli, TV Character, Cold War Creation (Jesse Delamotte)
9.7 Tommy "Pinball Wizard" Walker, Live Performance, Multiple Creators (Pete Townshend & Des McAnuff)
10.2 Keyser Soze, Movie Character, Modern Day Creation (Christopher McQuarrie)

Izule
1.8 Iago, Villain, Pre-19th Century (Shakespeare)
2.1 Omar, Television Character, Modern Day (Larry Simon)
3.8 Lara Craft, Female Character, Multiple Person Creator
4.1 Tony Montana, Movie Character, Cold War Creation
5.8 Lolita, Child, Non-European/American
6.1 Philip Marlowe, Literary Character, Pre-World War II 20th Century (Raymond Chandler)
7.8 Nora Helmer, Live Performance, 19th Century (Ibsen)
8.1 Sir Gawain, Hero, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
9.8 Chi, Comic/Animated Character, Female Creator (CLAMP)
10.1 Nameless One, Computer/Video Game Creator, One Great Work (Chris Avellone)

[Alan T]

My votes (using my personal scoring system - lower points is better):

#1 larrymcg - 27 points
#2 Spleen - 33 points
#3 Wade - 36 points


I don't know that I was googoo all over Larry's draft like many people seemed to be in the thread. I did think he had some excellent choices, including some that I felt were the best of the category. Some of his picks, I was a little more "meh" about, but the thing that helped him get my top vote was that he did not really have any picks that I felt were completely out of left field.

I didn't see a bunch of talk about Spleen's draft, but looking through it, I felt he had some of the best characters in many different areas. I felt his best 5 choices were as good as anyone else's best five. His main problem when I was scoring his team was that unlike Larry, he did have too many picks that made me just go "Huh?"

#3 and #4 were really close for me, and I could have gone either way with it. I picked Wade, just barely over Danny in a close call. I would have to guess the main reason was that I just couldn't get behind Danny's pick of Mother Nature, and for Computer Game characters, I liked the choices people made of Mario, Pacman, Sonic, etc over the ones I knew less of even though they might have been a better developed character they just were not as "great" from a greatness aspect in my mind.

The rest of my choices in order in case anyone cared were:

Danny
Mustang
Lathum
Detox
Izulde

[Marmel]

1) Danny
2) Wade
3) Mustang

HMs: Larry/Detox

[digamma]

wade
mustang
larrymcg

[JediKooter]

1. Danny
2. Mustang
3. Wade

Really, number 3 could have went to either Larry, Spleen or Detox. Wade's appealed to me slightly more than the others though. Lathum's choices were good too, I just didn't connect with a few of his choices is all. Izulde, I didn't recognize more than 3 or 4 on his list. However, I do know his literary knowledge is a lot deeper than mine, so, that's more me than anything.

[CrimsonFox]

You still have Dorothy Gale created by Frank Oz (Miss Piggy, Fozzie, etc). Should be L. Frank Baum

[MalcPow]

wade
spleen
larry

[gstelmack]

1. wade
2. spleen
3. larrymcg

[Logan]

Very hard to compare across teams with the intermingling of time period/creator, so I just went based on feel.

1. wade
2. larry
3. Mustang

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

You still have Dorothy Gale created by Frank Oz (Miss Piggy, Fozzie, etc). Should be L. Frank Baum

Thanks. I'd fixed it in the round by round but forgot to fix it in the overall.

[Autumn]

Detox seems to have two females and no comic book?

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Detox seems to have two females and now comic book?

Wow you're totally right. I don't know how I let that slip by.

[3ric]

1) Larrymcg
2) Wademoore
3) DeToxRox

[Autumn]

1) Larrymcg
2) wademoore
3) Danny

My voting came out very close, scores of 12,11, 11 for the three above. I scored the top three of each character type. Wade got the tie breaker for having 6 characters who scored, the most of anyone. The TV category was very tight, I ended up giving #1 to Lucy and tying everyone else at #2, I thought all those picks were really good. Video games was tough the other way, I just wasn't familiar with enough of the characters, and most had not reached a real mainstream knowledge.

Some characters I thought would have scored better in different categories. I thought most of the teams were very well done though.

[DeToxRox]

Oh nevermind I see the issue with my list. Mary Catherine Gallagher was my movie character pick and Ichi was animated (based off of a comic).

[sabotai]

1) Larrymcg
2) Mustang
3) Danny

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Autumn

My voting came out very close, scores of 12,11, 11 for the three above. I scored the top three of each character type. Wade got the tie breaker for having 6 characters who scored, the most of anyone. The TV category was very tight, I ended up giving #1 to Lucy and tying everyone else at #2, I thought all those picks were really good. Video games was tough the other way, I just wasn't familiar with enough of the characters, and most had not reached a real mainstream knowledge.

Some characters I thought would have scored better in different categories. I thought most of the teams were very well done though.

did you score the top three of each time period placement as well?

[rockboy70]

1. Larry
2. Wade
3. Mustang

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

did you score the top three of each time period placement as well?

I didn't. I viewed the time periods as more a restriction/strategy issue for the drafters, preventing them from just stacking great teams, but didn't consider it in my voting. It would be interesting to look at from the other angle too. But in my mind the categories better defined the character types.

[CrimsonFox]

I think my favorite category was Unknown/Anonymous. I didn't know what that would imply before you started but everybody just hit it out of the park with their picks. Some really fantastic ideas.

[MIJB#19]

1 larrymcg
2 wade moore
3 Danny

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Alan T

My votes (using my personal scoring system - lower points is better):

#1 larrymcg - 27 points
#2 Spleen - 33 points
#3 Wade - 36 points


I don't know that I was googoo all over Larry's draft like many people seemed to be in the thread. I did think he had some excellent choices, including some that I felt were the best of the category. Some of his picks, I was a little more "meh" about, but the thing that helped him get my top vote was that he did not really have any picks that I felt were completely out of left field.

I didn't see a bunch of talk about Spleen's draft, but looking through it, I felt he had some of the best characters in many different areas. I felt his best 5 choices were as good as anyone else's best five. His main problem when I was scoring his team was that unlike Larry, he did have too many picks that made me just go "Huh?"

#3 and #4 were really close for me, and I could have gone either way with it. I picked Wade, just barely over Danny in a close call. I would have to guess the main reason was that I just couldn't get behind Danny's pick of Mother Nature, and for Computer Game characters, I liked the choices people made of Mario, Pacman, Sonic, etc over the ones I knew less of even though they might have been a better developed character they just were not as "great" from a greatness aspect in my mind.

The rest of my choices in order in case anyone cared were:

Danny
Mustang
Lathum
Detox
Izulde

Mother nature is not going to like this, expect some heavy snow this weekend

[Buccaneer]

Using the opposite scoring system as Alan (5 highest, 1 lowest), here's my ranking:

1. larrymcg - 36
2. spleen - 34
3. mustang - 33

4. Danny - 32
wade more - 32
6. Lathum - 28
7. detoxrox - 26
8. Izulde - 14

Wow; very, very close among the top 5. Very well done.

[Radii]

1. Larrymcg
2. Wade Moore
3. Danny

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Danny

Mother nature is not going to like this, expect some heavy snow this weekend

[AENeuman]

1. Wade
2.Mustang
3. Larry

Good job all. Always my favorite part of fof, hope the drafts keep coming

[britrock88]

1. larrymcg
2. wademoore
3. mustang

spleen and danny with honorable mentions.

[path12]

Danny
Lathum
spleen

HM Izulde for Omar. Awesome choice.

[QuikSand]

larry
wade



danny

[CrimsonFox]

1 Larrymcg
2 mustang
3 Danny

spleen and detox also had things i really liked

[Barkeep49]

I went through and ranked them by both character type and creator type. My results were:



I had a tie between wade and larry after doing this objectively so I did gut feel which gave the edge to Wade. Thus my votes are:

1. wade
2. larry
3. Danny

Will tally and post final results soon.

[Barkeep49]

This was pretty clearly a two man race. Congrats to larry for carrying the day. Overall I thought people did a really good job and the teams were much closer than the final results (even my own) implied.

larrymcg 64
wade moore 51
Danny 23
Mustang 20

[wade moore]

Congrats larry - I think it was deserved. I felt I had a very strong list, but that yours was right on par with it. Not sure I've seen such a two-horse race in one of these things before.

[larrymcg421]

Wow, thanks!

You also had a great team, Wade. It really could have gone either way. I think you deserved more credit than you got for the Holden Caulfield pick.

Fun draft, Barkeep!

[Autumn]

Yeah, it was a strong deep draft. Everyone had lists that in a vacuum looked very strong. I think a few of these guys just pulled out more top picks than others.

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

This was pretty clearly a two man race. Congrats to larry for carrying the day. Overall I thought people did a really good job and the teams were much closer than the final results (even my own) implied.

larrymcg 64
wade moore 51
Danny 23
Mustang 20

Great job by everyone! I think the final results match up closely with what I would have voted.

I calculated and got slightly different numbers, but the position remain the same.

[spleen1015]

It is obvious FOFC doesn't know shit about what makes a good fictional character.

Congrats Larry!

[Abe Sargent]

Ah, I was just about to vote when I saw the results were already done - so congrats all!