Which book is more girly?

Passacaglia · 05-06-2005, 12:08 PM

So, lurker and i were talking about girly books, and got into a big fight about which book is more girly, Gone with the Wind by Margeret Mitchelll, or Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen. So, anyway, before you guys return all the wedding gifts you got us, we figured we'd see which book you think is girliest.

Izulde · 05-06-2005, 12:08 PM

Pride and Prejudice by far.

Honolulu_Blue · 05-06-2005, 12:12 PM

Hrmmm...

Well, I would have to go with Pride & Prejudice. At least there's a war in Gone with the Wind. You have some soldiers mucking about in P&P, but that's about it.

Lady H_B loves the BBC version of P&P. All 5+ hours of it. Apparently Colin Firth smolders as Mr. Darcy as no man has smoldered before. There have been repeated viewings, during the last of which I was in the other room playing Championship Manager but could still hear it. By hour 4 I felt so wussified that I had to leave and go see the "Dawn of the Dead" re-make to compensate. It worked wonders. That said, there are quite a few amusing scenes in the BBC P&P and the actors are top notch. Perfect casting. (Did I say that last part out loud?)

SackAttack · 05-06-2005, 12:12 PM

The correct answer is "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."

They're both girly.

lurker · 05-06-2005, 12:28 PM

The movies (both) are great, but let's make it about which book is more girly. As in, reading which one in public makes a guy more mockable?

Edit -- Passacaglia, you call that a big fight? Wow, we really do have an uneventful relationship

Passacaglia · 05-06-2005, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by lurker

Edit -- Passacaglia, you call that a big fight? Wow, we really do have an uneventful relationship

Just trying to liven it up for the crew here, since a thread that was JUST about girly books wouldn't fly.

lurker · 05-06-2005, 12:33 PM

Oh yeah, good plan. But we better not talk too much about fights, or else we'll make people "uncomfortable".

SackAttack, the exact line "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" isn't even in the book

Crapshoot · 05-06-2005, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lurker

Oh yeah, good plan. But we better not talk too much about fights, or else we'll make people "uncomfortable".

SackAttack, the exact line "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" isn't even in the book

Yup- most people don't know that.
As to the question, I think Pride and Prejudice (and Austen in general) is awesome, but I could certainly see people thinking of it as "Girly"...

Raiders Army · 05-06-2005, 12:35 PM

Which one has a picture of Fabio on the cover? That's the one I'm voting for.

lurker · 05-06-2005, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

That said, there are quite a few amusing scenes in the BBC P&P

If you thought there were a few amusing scenes in the movie, you should really read the book. There's quite a lot of understated humor in that book that doesn't translate to the movie.

Honolulu_Blue · 05-06-2005, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lurker

If you thought there were a few amusing scenes in the movie, you should really read the book. There's quite a lot of understated humor in that book that doesn't translate to the movie.

I have read the book. We had to in my junior year of highschool. I was a bit young (and uninterested at the time), but I remember thinking it wasn't too bad.

miked · 05-06-2005, 12:53 PM

Anything by Jane Austen trumps the girly debate.

Raiders Army · 05-06-2005, 12:54 PM

I thought those Sweet Valley Twins books were really girly...or whatever they were called.

lurker · 05-06-2005, 12:55 PM

So this is the point where I start debating. Passacaglia, if you think this will influence the voters, let me know and maybe I'll delete it!

Wouldn't it make more sense that since Pride and Prejudice is seen as more of a classic novel and that it's read in literature classes it's more gender-neutral than a book that was generally only read for pleasure, and generally by women?

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 05-06-2005, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

The correct answer is "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."

They're both girly.

LMAOF

miked · 05-06-2005, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lurker

So this is the point where I start debating. Passacaglia, if you think this will influence the voters, let me know and maybe I'll delete it!

Wouldn't it make more sense that since Pride and Prejudice is seen as more of a classic novel and that it's read in literature classes it's more gender-neutral than a book that was generally only read for pleasure, and generally by women?

If I saw a male reading Pride and Prejudice on the street, I would automatically assume it was for a class as few males would decide this is a book they would like to read.

lurker · 05-06-2005, 01:12 PM

That seems really weird and unfortunate, but probably true. Why wouldn't this hypothetical male think "hey, this is a classic novel, I should see what's so good about it that make people decide to analyze it"? I didn't stop and think Hemingway or Hardy only wrote guy books. I thought there must be a reason they're recommended so I should read them.

Passacaglia · 05-06-2005, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lurker

So this is the point where I start debating. Passacaglia, if you think this will influence the voters, let me know and maybe I'll delete it!

Nah, you don't need to delete it, since you're already getting your butt kicked!

hhiipp · 05-06-2005, 01:53 PM

Whichever one you're reading is the one I'd say is more girly.

albionmoonlight · 05-06-2005, 01:55 PM

I'm with you, Lurker. P&P is a much better book and, accordingly, less girly in my eyes. It has quality that transcends gender.

But, as you can see, we are wrong. Girly is what the masses say it is, and the masses say that, while D'Arcy may be Firthalicious, he is--in the end--girly.

Crapshoot · 05-06-2005, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by miked

If I saw a male reading Pride and Prejudice on the street, I would automatically assume it was for a class as few males would decide this is a book they would like to read.

I disagree - I think Austen is awesome. Having an interest in reading classic literature doesnt make you any less of a man or any such thing.

Crapshoot · 05-06-2005, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by lurker

That seems really weird and unfortunate, but probably true. Why wouldn't this hypothetical male think "hey, this is a classic novel, I should see what's so good about it that make people decide to analyze it"? I didn't stop and think Hemingway or Hardy only wrote guy books. I thought there must be a reason they're recommended so I should read them.

I'm with you. This is akin to ignoring Agatha Christie because she's a female detective story writer in favor of Doyle or what not.

B & B · 05-06-2005, 02:06 PM

My cats name is Mittens

lurker · 05-06-2005, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Nah, you don't need to delete it, since you're already getting your butt kicked!

Well, the quality voters know which one is better. The ones on my side are able to expand on their opinions, so they're obviously more literate.

We should have made it a public poll so we wouldn't have to count the votes of those who obviously never read either one.

Honolulu_Blue · 05-06-2005, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lurker

Well, the quality voters know which one is better. The ones on my side are able to expand on their opinions, so they're obviously more literate.

We should have made it a public poll so we wouldn't have to count the votes of those who obviously never read either one.

To qualify. While I voted P&P to be more "girly" than GWTW, it is by no means a reflection of which one is "better" than the other. P&P is a literary classic. A great book and a fantastic piece of literature. While GWTW is a classic as well, I do think P&P is a better book.

One being more "girly" than the other speaks nothing of the merits of the texts. It is simply an assessment of how "girly" (whatever the hell that means) each book is.

If y'all wanted this to be a vote as to which is the better book, you should have said so. Unless "girly" in the Lurkacaglia family is a synonym for "bad", which just wouldn't be right.

lurker · 05-06-2005, 02:17 PM

No, I knew what you were saying. I was just doing some trash-talking.

My contention is just that the better book should be seen as less girly, because calling it girly implies that men wouldn't enjoy reading it. But I'm aware that that's not necessarily the opnion others hold.

wade moore · 05-06-2005, 02:26 PM

I voted before reading the thread.

I selected Gone with the wind.

View Poll Results: Which book is more girly?
Gone with the Wind	9	25.71%
Pride and Prejudice	26	74.29%
Voters: 35. You may not vote on this poll

05-06-2005, 12:08 PM	#2
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05-06-2005, 12:12 PM	#3
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	Hrmmm... Well, I would have to go with Pride & Prejudice. At least there's a war in Gone with the Wind. You have some soldiers mucking about in P&P, but that's about it. Lady H_B loves the BBC version of P&P. All 5+ hours of it. Apparently Colin Firth smolders as Mr. Darcy as no man has smoldered before. There have been repeated viewings, during the last of which I was in the other room playing Championship Manager but could still hear it. By hour 4 I felt so wussified that I had to leave and go see the "Dawn of the Dead" re-make to compensate. It worked wonders. That said, there are quite a few amusing scenes in the BBC P&P and the actors are top notch. Perfect casting. (Did I say that last part out loud?) __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

05-06-2005, 12:28 PM	#5
lurker High School JV Join Date: May 2001	The movies (both) are great, but let's make it about which book is more girly. As in, reading which one in public makes a guy more mockable? Edit -- Passacaglia, you call that a big fight? Wow, we really do have an uneventful relationship Last edited by lurker : 05-06-2005 at 12:29 PM.

05-06-2005, 12:33 PM	#7
lurker High School JV Join Date: May 2001	Oh yeah, good plan. But we better not talk too much about fights, or else we'll make people "uncomfortable". SackAttack, the exact line "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" isn't even in the book Last edited by lurker : 05-06-2005 at 12:33 PM.

05-06-2005, 12:12 PM	#4
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	The correct answer is "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn." They're both girly.

05-06-2005, 12:35 PM	#9
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Which one has a picture of Fabio on the cover? That's the one I'm voting for.

05-06-2005, 12:53 PM	#12
miked College Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Dirty	Anything by Jane Austen trumps the girly debate.

05-06-2005, 12:54 PM	#13
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I thought those Sweet Valley Twins books were really girly...or whatever they were called.

05-06-2005, 12:55 PM	#14
lurker High School JV Join Date: May 2001	So this is the point where I start debating. Passacaglia, if you think this will influence the voters, let me know and maybe I'll delete it! Wouldn't it make more sense that since Pride and Prejudice is seen as more of a classic novel and that it's read in literature classes it's more gender-neutral than a book that was generally only read for pleasure, and generally by women? Last edited by lurker : 05-06-2005 at 12:57 PM.

05-06-2005, 01:12 PM	#17
lurker High School JV Join Date: May 2001	That seems really weird and unfortunate, but probably true. Why wouldn't this hypothetical male think "hey, this is a classic novel, I should see what's so good about it that make people decide to analyze it"? I didn't stop and think Hemingway or Hardy only wrote guy books. I thought there must be a reason they're recommended so I should read them. Last edited by lurker : 05-06-2005 at 01:13 PM.

05-06-2005, 01:53 PM	#19
hhiipp College Prospect Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: OH	Whichever one you're reading is the one I'd say is more girly.

05-06-2005, 01:55 PM	#20
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I'm with you, Lurker. P&P is a much better book and, accordingly, less girly in my eyes. It has quality that transcends gender. But, as you can see, we are wrong. Girly is what the masses say it is, and the masses say that, while D'Arcy may be Firthalicious, he is--in the end--girly.

05-06-2005, 02:06 PM	#23
B & B College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: A sports era long ago when everything didnt require a Nike logo	My cats name is Mittens __________________ Nobody cares about Kyle Orton because he's black. -PT

05-06-2005, 02:17 PM	#26
lurker High School JV Join Date: May 2001	No, I knew what you were saying. I was just doing some trash-talking. My contention is just that the better book should be seen as less girly, because calling it girly implies that men wouldn't enjoy reading it. But I'm aware that that's not necessarily the opnion others hold.

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