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Old 09-30-2014, 10:34 PM   #101
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Wasn't it the MythBusters that showed the places with the most bacteria in your house were the kitchen sink and computer keyboard? The toilet seat was one of places with the least bacteria.
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Old 09-30-2014, 10:39 PM   #102
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Wasn't it the MythBusters that showed the places with the most bacteria in your house were the kitchen sink and computer keyboard? The toilet seat was one of places with the least bacteria.
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Old 10-01-2014, 11:39 AM   #103
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I swear I got crabs once from a public toilet seat. I was in the middle of a six month dry stretch sexually so know that wasn't the reason.
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Old 10-01-2014, 02:50 PM   #104
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Old 10-01-2014, 03:00 PM   #105
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Yeah, here's the results of the Mythbusters testing:

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Many objects that people touch every day are dirtier than a toilet seat.
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Adam and Jamie chose a total of 8 objects to test for cleanliness: toilet seat, money, kitchen sponge, hotel room remote, computer keyboard, light switch, cell phone, and shopping cart. They swabbed each surface for 10 seconds and created Petri dishes from the swabs that incubated overnight. Their first method of measurement was to count the number of microorganism colonies on each dish. They found that the toilet seat sample actually had the fewest colonies, while the kitchen sponge sample had more than they could count:

kitchen sponge (most colonies)
money
light switch
computer keyboard
hotel remote
shopping cart
cell phone
toilet seat (fewest colonies)

However, they always wanted to account for the “nastiness” or harmfulness of the types of organisms on each Petri dish, so they had a microbiologist re-rank the samples. The list was as follows.

kitchen sponge (most nasty)
money
light switch
computer keyboard
toilet seat
cell phone
shopping cart
hotel remote (least nasty)

Finally, Adam and Jamie decided they needed a larger sample size to provide better results. They enlisted a group of biology students at UC Berkeley to collect more samples from the top five dirtiest surfaces. After collecting and analyzing these samples, the final list was as follows.

kitchen sponge (most dirty)
money
computer keyboard
toilet seat
light switch (least dirty)
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Old 10-01-2014, 03:31 PM   #106
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Old 10-01-2014, 03:36 PM   #107
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I always wanted to barf when I would see one of my servers putting money into their mouth while trying to count change/get organized/etc. SO disgusting.
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Old 10-01-2014, 03:44 PM   #108
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I think that what is different about Ebola is that it is possible to get it from sweat. Most often you hear of diseases that are spread from fluids and you can not get it from sweat (think HIV / AIDs here). Ebola isn't like that. You can get it from simply touching someone. It requires you have a break of skin on your hands and they be sweating, both of which are likely. The Ebola patient will likely be running a fever and nearly everyone has a skin break, somewhere, on their hands.

I still don't think it is going to be an epidemic in the US, but it isn't like this requires contact with body fluids in the way MOST people think of diseases spread by body fluids.

EDIT: Also, according to the CDC, it CAN survive outside the body for several hours on things that have come into contact with body fluids. This can include door knobs and anything that has touched urine. Still would't panic.
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Old 10-01-2014, 04:06 PM   #109
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I always wanted to barf when I would see one of my servers putting money into their mouth while trying to count change/get organized/etc. SO disgusting.
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Old 10-01-2014, 05:10 PM   #110
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My wife travels for a living. When she gets in a hotel room she:

Tosses the comforter or whatever they put on the bed to the side along with the throw pillows. She then takes out some clorox or similar wipes and wipes down the phone, remote, doorknobs, safe (if she uses it) and more.

You know that guy you see in the bathroom that's taking a loud nasty shit and then doesn't wash his hands? Yeah, he does that in hotel rooms as well and doesn't wash his hands there either.
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Old 10-01-2014, 05:15 PM   #111
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If Ebola could be spread by routine hygiene lapses it'd be far more widespread.
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Old 10-01-2014, 06:22 PM   #112
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I was not referring to Ebola, but I'd be willing to bet some pretty nasty stuff is spread through hotel rooms and airplanes.
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Old 10-01-2014, 06:26 PM   #113
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Does being a germaphobe really prevent you from getting sick or picking up viruses? I've always figured it just weakens your immune system.
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Old 10-01-2014, 10:34 PM   #114
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I agree with above post. Sooner or later there will be an outbreak.

Ebola can be transmitted "airborne". Maybe not in the truest definition of the term but better hope no one infected coughs near you.

BBC News - Growing concerns over 'in the air' transmission of Ebola
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In experiments, they demonstrated that the virus was transmitted from pigs to monkeys without any direct contact between them.

The researchers say they believe that limited airborne transmission might be contributing to the spread of the disease in some parts of Africa.
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Old 10-02-2014, 03:08 PM   #115
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The Onion with a helpful PSA on how to protect yourself from ebola.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/how...t-ebola,37085/
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Old 10-02-2014, 08:15 PM   #116
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Just had a awful thought. This would be a pretty scary terror tactic - have someone(s) relatively unknown, voluntarily infect themselves and slip into the country.
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Old 10-02-2014, 08:40 PM   #117
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Don't know how he got it but you would think someone that flew to Liberia to report on Ebola (and working for NBC) would have adequately protected himself.

NBC News freelancer in Africa diagnosed with Ebola | MSNBC
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The infected freelancer was hired Tuesday to be a second cameraman for NBC News Chief Medical Editor and Correspondent Dr. Nancy Snyderman. Snyderman is with three other NBC News employees on assignment in Monrovia, reporting on the Ebola outbreak.

The freelancer came down with symptoms on Wednesday, feeling tired and achy. As part of a routine temperature check, he discovered he was running a slight fever. He immediately quarantined himself and sought medical advice. On Thursday morning, the 33 year-old American went to a Medicins Sans Frontieres (MSF) treatment center to be tested for the virus. The positive result came back just under 12 hours later.

The cameraman, who also is a writer, is the fourth American to have contracted Ebola in Liberia. He has been working in Liberia on various projects for the past three years. NBC News is withholding the cameraman’s name at the request of his family.
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Old 10-02-2014, 08:42 PM   #118
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Just had a awful thought. This would be a pretty scary terror tactic - have someone(s) relatively unknown, voluntarily infect themselves and slip into the country.

And do what? Start biting people? Throwing feces on people?
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Old 10-02-2014, 08:47 PM   #119
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Some could just shoot two people, that would double the impact of Ebloa in the U.S.
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Old 10-02-2014, 09:02 PM   #120
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And do what? Start biting people? Throwing feces on people?

See above BBC post. You really don't think someone can spread the virus intentionally? Put me in an airport. Millions won't die but the initial confusion and fear created will be great.
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Old 10-02-2014, 09:07 PM   #121
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See above BBC post. You really don't think someone can spread the virus intentionally? Put me in an airport. Millions won't die but the initial confusion and fear created will be great.

The above BBC post says that it was transmitted that way by pigs to macaques, and only for a few feet, based on how their respiratory system works.

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Old 10-02-2014, 09:09 PM   #122
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The most absurd thing to me is that the guy in Dallas apparently lied on his immigration form or exit form or whatever it was.

What's it going to take to impose mandatory quarantines??

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The above BBC post says that it was transmitted that way by pigs to macaques, and only for a few feet, based on how their respiratory system works.

I get that. You think don't you think I can spread the virus intentionally in an airport?
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I get that. You think don't you think I can spread the virus intentionally in an airport?

how?

biting people? poking them with an infected needle? I'm curious.
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The most absurd thing to me is that the guy in Dallas apparently lied on his immigration form or exit form or whatever it was.

What's it going to take to impose mandatory quarantines??

Takes 2-21 days for symptoms to show? You going to hold someone for 3 weeks?
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Takes 2-21 days for symptoms to show? You going to hold someone for 3 weeks?

If that's what it takes to stop the spread...might not be the worst idea.
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Old 10-02-2014, 09:57 PM   #127
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how?

biting people? poking them with an infected needle? I'm curious.

Needle was what came to mind first. A terrorist could do some damage in a crowded area (for a short period of time before being subdued).

Not sure how long bodily fluids (e.g. saliva) would stay infectious on food but getting some in the Delta SkyClub olives and mushrooms (my favorites ... or anywhere else with a buffet) would be my fear.

I think there are multitudes of options to spread this.
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Old 10-02-2014, 10:22 PM   #128
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Needle was what came to mind first. A terrorist could do some damage in a crowded area (for a short period of time before being subdued).

Not sure how long bodily fluids (e.g. saliva) would stay infectious on food but getting some in the Delta SkyClub olives and mushrooms (my favorites ... or anywhere else with a buffet) would be my fear.

I think there are multitudes of options to spread this.

And unless those people started poking others with needles, or biting people, or had massive amounts of unprotected sex it would stop right there.
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If that's what it takes to stop the spread...might not be the worst idea.

Is there some spread of ebola in the US I'm not aware of?
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And unless those people started poking others with needles, or biting people, or had massive amounts of unprotected sex it would stop right there.

The infected healthcare workers probably didn't do any of the 3 either. Healthcare workers notwithstanding, it didn't stop right there in western Africa, kids are getting it.

The story is not yet told on how this infection has grown beyond historical norms. I don't know but I suspect a little bit of short distance sneeze/cough, tainted food and normal human contact such as hugs and kisses.
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Old 10-02-2014, 10:41 PM   #131
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I think people scared of one guy in Texas with Ebola (and the people in the first two pages of this thread who were scared that the U.S. was transporting those doctors to the U.S.) would be pretty freaked out if they had heard of all the various viruses and bacteria that are floating around our own country right now:

http://www.cdc.gov/outbreaks/index.html

And if you travel, forget about it:

Disease Directory | Travelers' Health | CDC

There isn't a vaccine for everything, washing your hands doesn't guarantee your safety, you could be a victim tomorrow! It's also about a thousand times more likely you'll die in a car accident tomorrow, but nobody thinks about that.

Edit: I didn't realize 1,000–2,500 people still get the plague every year.

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Old 10-02-2014, 10:42 PM   #132
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The infected healthcare workers probably didn't do any of the 3 either.

Healthcare workers in African clinics are absolutely getting exposed to bodily fluids. Hell, the average ER worker here is as well. Precautions are taken, but after a thousand or so contacts, a small risk emerges.

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Healthcare workers in African clinics are absolutely getting exposed to bodily fluids. Hell, the average ER worker here is as well. Precautions are taken, but after a thousand or so contacts, a small risk emerges.

Reread Lathum's 3 scenarios. Exposed to bodily fluids is not one of the 3.

But I do agree with you.

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Old 10-02-2014, 10:51 PM   #134
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It's not airborne. Efficient diseases like this don't just magically become airborne. There is no historical precedent for it to happen. This should calm some fears.

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Is there some spread of ebola in the US I'm not aware of?

Sorry - I didn't make it clear that I was saying that there ought to be quarantines in place in West Africa, not the USA.
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It's not airborne. Efficient diseases like this don't just magically become airborne. There is no historical precedent for it to happen. This should calm some fears.

Fact or Fiction?: The Ebola Virus Will Go Airborne - Scientific American

My above post referenced the article in your link. How I read it is that it can be spread by air, albeit short distances. It may not fit the scientific definition of "airborne" but via air means airborne to me.

I did not know it did not spread monkey-to-monkey but monkey-to-pig so I'll concede that airborne transmission may not be as simple as sneezing on someone.


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Questions remain about the current strain of Ebola thriving in west Africa. Apart from the environmental, economic and social circumstances that have fueled its spread, does the virus itself have special characteristics that set it apart? Is it, for example, growing faster or at higher viral concentrations than previous strains? But the jury is still out on this and other questions. Right now we have few answers about this Ebola strain, yet we do know that a massive injection of finances and personnel will be needed to contain it in the months ahead. As of Friday it had claimed more than 2,400 lives.
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Sorry - I didn't make it clear that I was saying that there ought to be quarantines in place in West Africa, not the USA.

That's the whole issue. There isn't a government or medical infrastructure to do that.

In the U.S. there is. We'll be fine.
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My above post referenced the article in your link. How I read it is that it can be spread by air, albeit short distances. It may not fit the scientific definition of "airborne" but via air means airborne to me.

So you're admitting you're incorrect then?

Don't go throwing around medical terms that mean specific things and then say "oh but my definition is different."
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So you're admitting you're incorrect then?

Don't go throwing around medical terms that mean specific things and then say "oh but my definition is different."

Is airborne a scientific term? What is your definition of airborne? See post #114, I set the expectation then.

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The vast majority of infectious disease specialists say it would be highly unusual to shift to airborne. It's technically possible, but unlikely. Unlikely as in never documented a viral outbreak doing so in history.

And the one study that keeps getting posted in the media and on social media to drum up intrigue was essentially shot down by the same team of scientists during a follow-up study. Conveniently no one wants to post that study.

This hysteria over it becoming airborne is as dumb as the hysteria over HIV becoming airborne in the 90's. Ebola is not new, it's been around for a long time. And those who have researched it have said that it actually remains fairly consistent. This is just the media latching on to a story that gets them clicks and people eating it up.
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Is airborne a scientific term? What is your definition of airborne? See post #114, I set the expectation then.

It is. Even the flu isn't considered airborne.
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There may be a second case now...In DC (scroll down a bit for the info on that)

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Old 10-04-2014, 08:47 PM   #146
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Surprised no one has mentioned this incident today:

CDC responds to sick passenger on Brussels flight - CNN.com

That had to have been pretty scary for the passengers on board, especially the guy sitting next to him.
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Almost all of the additional reported cases of Ebola symptoms (the ones above and many others that haven't made the news)...have ended up being symptoms of Malaria...
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There are now no patients diagnosed with ebola in Dallas.
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