2016-17 NFL Coaching Carousel/ Offseason Thread

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by stevew

Adrian Peterson is getting a harsh lesson in the economics of being an old ass RB.

But someone still thinks he's a young ass RB:

Adrian Peterson, Saints finalize two-year contract - NFL.com

[Thomkal]

He's back...

Daryl Washington reinstated on a conditional basis - NFL.com

can't believe the Cards would keep him given all the heartache he caused.

[Arles]

Packers just signed guard Jahri Evans from the Saints. He's a bit long in the tooth, but he is a veteran coming off a solid year. Seems like a good move given their current options to replace Lang.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

But someone still thinks he's a young ass RB:

Adrian Peterson, Saints finalize two-year contract - NFL.com

Huge haircut for him. He def got beat with a switch this off season. Shocked there was even 3.5M guaranteed dollars left out there.

Lynch to the Raiders is probably a nothing move, but he's easily one of my favorite backs to watch that I can remember.

I'd put him on a Mt. Rushmore of greatest backs I've ever seen with Barry Sanders among others

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

He's back...

Daryl Washington reinstated on a conditional basis - NFL.com

can't believe the Cards would keep him given all the heartache he caused.

Im guessing after missing 3 years he's probably playing this season for a negative amount of money basically. Seems like a zero risk movie for a 2 time all pro

[CrescentMoonie]

And with the 1st pick on the NFL Draft the Cleveland Browns select...Kelsey Plum, the 1st pick of the WNBA draft?

[CrimsonFox]

Okay there's a thread for this here I guess

Players react on social media to Marshawn Lynch's NFL return

Beastmode is back! Marshawn Lynch is returning after 2 years away to play for the ....Raiders...

Kinda Heartbroken and pumped at the sametime

[Logan]

Jay Cutler has been hired by Fox to be the third man in the booth with Burkhardt and Charles Davis.

[Kodos]

Why? Does anybody really like him?

[miami_fan]

That never stopped CBS from putting Phil Simms on TV for years.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

That never stopped CBS from putting Phil Simms on TV for years.

At least he could identify competent QB play.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by Logan

At least he could identify competent QB play.

When? Simms was routinely wrong about even the tiniest things in games. Unlike Aikman, he's not a good announcer who got worse over the years, he was just terrible from the beginning.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Why? Does anybody really like him?

No. Which is, I think, the point. His reputation, fair or not, is as kind of a jerk. The "mild jerk" character can play pretty well if done right. From all accounts, he isn't some unstable guy whose gonna go off on an F-bomb rant. But if he's a bit salty in his analysis, it can provide a bit of a spark to a telecast.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

When? Simms was routinely wrong about even the tiniest things in games. Unlike Aikman, he's not a good announcer who got worse over the years, he was just terrible from the beginning.

My favorite Simms thing is when you would hear him correct himself as he was watching the replay. He'd say something like "That looked like a fumble" and then in mid-sentence switch to "Actually, Jim, it looks like his knee might have been down."

Saints fans will always have a soft spot for Simms' bad football analysis. On the Tracy Porter interception of Manning to win the Super Bowl, Manning was hurried into the throw by a blitz. And if you watch the replay, as the ball is snapped, Simms is saying "I would not blitz here." It's like he's so bad that he can swing games by predicting the opposite of what's going to happen. He's the Mike Lombardi of announcing.

[Kodos]

I wish broadcast Chucky had a little more of Coach Chucky in him.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

My favorite Simms thing is when you would hear him correct himself as he was watching the replay. He'd say something like "That looked like a fumble" and then in mid-sentence switch to "Actually, Jim, it looks like his knee might have been down."

Saints fans will always have a soft spot for Simms' bad football analysis. On the Tracy Porter interception of Manning to win the Super Bowl, Manning was hurried into the throw by a blitz. And if you watch the replay, as the ball is snapped, Simms is saying "I would not blitz here." It's like he's so bad that he can swing games by predicting the opposite of what's going to happen. He's the Mike Lombardi of announcing.

He's the NFL equivalent to Vince McMahon and false finishes. It's almost amusing when he goes on a 2-3 minute rant on something where not only is his analysis of the mental aspect of what happened is miles off from reality because his description isn't close to what actually physically happened on the field.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

When? Simms was routinely wrong about even the tiniest things in games. Unlike Aikman, he's not a good announcer who got worse over the years, he was just terrible from the beginning.

You're overanalyzing a shot at Cutler. Didn't think that needed explanation.

[bhlloy]

This is week 17 in Pittsburgh, a critical divisional matchup where the winner takes the division title and the loser will miss the playoffs. The atmosphere here is electric, the fans have been waiting for this all week and now we pass you over to our broadcast team.

Thank you Bob, it's great to be here. So Jay wh... DOOON'T CAAAAAAAAARE

[Julio Riddols]

Wouldn't it be wild if Cutler turned out to be the next Howard Cosell?

[stevew]

There's gotta be some movie here with Cutler. QB doesn't put the work in, throws a ton of picks. Basically his career is an abject failure, other than money. Then he gets a broadcast job, and he is getting drunk a lot. His kids all die cause their crazy mom doesn't vaccinate. After a season or two in the booth, he's down to the Fox F- team. We see montages of him throwing tight spirals at a target of her face. He's now virtually penniless cause Kristen gave all their money to Avocado Wolfe.

Suddenly with nothing left to lose, he throws himself into his job. He starts noticing coverages, etc. Like, he's suddenly aware of the difference between man and zone coverages. Well the week before the superbowl in the conference championship game, one team loses all 3 of theiron QBS.

And Jay, newly empowered picks up the phone and calls the coach...

[CrescentMoonie]

I didn't realize his wife was one of the anti-GMO crackheads. No wonder he's about 8 beers short of a 6-pack himself.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

He's back...

Daryl Washington reinstated on a conditional basis - NFL.com

can't believe the Cards would keep him given all the heartache he caused.

and they don't:

Cardinals Release Daryl Washington

[korme]

Josh Gordon, really

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

and they don't:

Cardinals Release Daryl Washington

in other ex-cardinals news, WR Michael Floyd signs with the Vikes.

[Thomkal]

This wasn't who I had in mind when I said the Cards needed to get a QB:

Another QB As Cardinals Add Blaine Gabbert

[NobodyHere]

Cromartie’s wife announces she’s pregnant with his 14th child

Jesus Christ, not even a vasectomy can stop this guy.

[NobodyHere]

Woohoo! Another potential Tom Brady scandal!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/...6zv?li=BBnb7Kz

[albionmoonlight]

You will never ever get players to self report concussions.

If you really want to minimize damage, you need to do two things, IMO

(1) Give every player a test after every game, either right after or before the next practice.

(2) Have a concussion-only IR list that does not count against the roster limit. Guys go on when they are diagnosed and can come off as soon as they are symptom free. That makes the burden of having concussed players hurt the team less.

[BishopMVP]

Pats sign Gronk to an incentive heavy deal New England Patriots restructure Rob Gronkowski contract

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Pats sign Gronk to an incentive heavy deal New England Patriots restructure Rob Gronkowski contract

NE Front Office is playing varsity. 31 other teams playing JV.

[Thomkal]

Are you ready for the Gay Bowl?

Patriots Become 1st NFL Team to Sponsor LGBT Flag Football Group's 'Gay Bowl' | Bleacher Report

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

NE Front Office is playing varsity. 31 other teams playing JV.

Not that we're close to the cap line anyways, but I love that all the incentives don't count against the salary cap because they're based on last year's performance so both the PT & production thresholds are considered "unlikely to be reached."

[Shkspr]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Are you ready for the Gay Bowl?

Patriots Become 1st NFL Team to Sponsor LGBT Flag Football Group's 'Gay Bowl' | Bleacher Report

This is an absolute travesty. There's no reason for it, and it's a shame that it will happen. I mean, he wasn't even the best defensive lineman on those early '80s Lions teams. But do we have an English Bowl? ... Okay, the Jaguars sort of do. But there's no need to canonize TWO members of that line. So I'm against the Gay Bowl. What's next, the Cofer Bowl?

[BishopMVP]

This reads like a hit piece at times, but it's definitely worth the read Seattle Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman won't let go, and it's a problem - NFL 2017

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Shkspr

This is an absolute travesty. There's no reason for it, and it's a shame that it will happen. I mean, he wasn't even the best defensive lineman on those early '80s Lions teams. But do we have an English Bowl? ... Okay, the Jaguars sort of do. But there's no need to canonize TWO members of that line. So I'm against the Gay Bowl. What's next, the Cofer Bowl?

Next will be the Smith Bowl or the Johnson Bowl-surely there's been enough of them around to field a full team

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Shkspr

This is an absolute travesty. There's no reason for it, and it's a shame that it will happen. I mean, he wasn't even the best defensive lineman on those early '80s Lions teams. But do we have an English Bowl? ... Okay, the Jaguars sort of do. But there's no need to canonize TWO members of that line. So I'm against the Gay Bowl. What's next, the Cofer Bowl?

This is some bullshit here. The Silver Rush was one the most heralded defensive lines in the history of the NFL. There's the Black Curtain, The Purple People Eaters, and the Silver Rush. That's the trifecta when it comes to amazing defensive lines with cool nicknames. Their recognition is long, long overdue. I'm pro Gay Bowl. I'm excited for the prospect of both the Woodcock Bowl and the Baker Bowl. And, yes, I would fully support a Cofer Bowl. He was a goddamn Pro Bowler. #restoretheroar

[BishopMVP]

Thanks Jets

LB David Harris agrees to 2-year deal with New England Patriots

[Shkspr]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

This is some bullshit here. The Silver Rush was one the most heralded defensive lines in the history of the NFL. There's the Black Curtain, The Purple People Eaters, and the Silver Rush. That's the trifecta when it comes to amazing defensive lines with cool nicknames. Their recognition is long, long overdue. I'm pro Gay Bowl. I'm excited for the prospect of both the Woodcock Bowl and the Baker Bowl. And, yes, I would fully support a Cofer Bowl. He was a goddamn Pro Bowler. #restoretheroar

"Silver Rush"? The Doomsday Defense, Fearsome Foursome, Monsters of the Midway, New York Sack Exchange, and No-Name Defense would like a word.

And yes, I would support your assertion that Mike Cofer was the Derek Anderson of his time. Hell, half the people who voted for him thought they were nominating the kicker.

[Abe Sargent]

Why would the Chiefs fire their GM?

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Why would the Chiefs fire their GM?

The timing suggests "because Andy Reid told them to."

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

The timing suggests "because Andy Reid told them to."

Yeah they announced that Andy Reid had been extended on the same day. Likely not a coincidence.

[Suicane75]

So the Maclin release. I hope like hell Reid was on board with that or it's a huge screwup. Like forgetting to renew your stud player in whatever sim your playing. Only you can't reload from before free agency starts.

[Scarecrow]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Why would the Chiefs fire their GM?

Rumblings in KC are that Mr. Hunt wanted to extend both Dorsey and Reid. Reid agreed to it, but Dorsey only wanted to finish the season and then 'see what happens'. Further speculation is that he's wanting to step into the Green Bay GM position next year.

[albionmoonlight]

Jim Mora is still so mad at the Colts for firing him fifteen years ago that he won't go back for Peyton Manning's statue unveiling.

I had actually forgotten that Mora coached the Colts. Apparently, he has not forgotten.

Statue?!? Jim Mora skipping Peyton Manning ceremony due to bitterness at Colts

[Buccaneer]

My son just finished a great off-season project. He wanted to know who were the best and worst NFL franchises of all-time. So I taught him how to use Excel and about data normalization. Since he couldn't use wins or win percentages or championships, the methodology he came up was to do a power ranking* for each year from 1925-2016. The normalization comes in given the different number of teams for most years. So he normalized it based on a 1-32 ranking. For example, only 4 active franchises in 1925, the Packers were 8-5, 9th place, slightly above average points differential and that normalized to about 15 on a subjective 1-32 scale. When all of the power rankings were done, he averaged and ranked them. Here are the results:

1 Dallas Cowboys 11.75 (their average rankings from 1966-1983 were off the charts)
2 Green Bay Packers 13.03
3 Baltimore Ravens 13.48 (we knew this was going to be the outlier before we started)
4 Miami Dolphins 13.67 (very good rankings from 1970-2001, only 2 years below 16 in that stretch)
5 Minnesota Vikings 13.91
6 New England Patriots 14.05
7 New York Giants 14.12
8 Chicago Bears 14.15
9 San Francisco 49ers 14.21
10 Denver Broncos 14.84
11 Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts 14.88
12 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders 14.96 (easily top 5 until 2003)
13 Cleveland Browns 15.31 (got to remember 1950-1969, top 4 most years)
14 Pittsburgh Steelers 15.45 (thought they'd be higher but they were dreadful for 39 years)
15 Seattle Seahawks 15.68
16 Kansas City Chiefs 15.95
17 Washington Redskins 16.06
18 Cleveland/St Louis/Los Angeles Rams 16.28
19 San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers 16.65
20 Philadelphia Eagles 16.73
21 Carolina Panthers 17.09
22 Detroit Lions 17.34
23 Houston Oilers/Tennessee Titans 17.47
24 Buffalo Bills 18.40
25 New York Jets 18.53
26 Cincinnati Bengals 18.78
27 New Orleans Saints 19.12
28 Atlanta Falcons 19.25
29 Houston Texans 19.53
30 Jacksonville Jaguars 19.68
31 Chicago/St Louis/Arizona Cardinals 21.00
32 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 21.41

*note: this will be controversial to some but we strongly believe that you take all games played in season/post-season into consideration, not just the last one. If you don't accept that then just ignore this post.

[CrescentMoonie]

Would love to see that list for just the Super Bowl era.

[Buccaneer]

Here are the averages and rankings for the Super Bowl Era (1966-2016):

1 Dallas Cowboys 10.49
2 Pittsburgh Steelers 11.61
3 Minnesota Vikings 13.27
4 Denver Broncos 13.35
5 Baltimore Ravens 13.48
6 Green Bay Packers 13.55
7 San Francisco 49ers 13.57
8 Miami Dolphins 13.67
9 New England Patriots 13.80
10 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders 14.31
11 Washington Redskins 15.10
12 Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts 15.27
13 Philadelphia Eagles 15.47
14 Seattle Seahawks 15.68
15 Cleveland/St Louis/Los Angeles*Rams 15.69
16 Kansas City Chiefs 16.04
17 New York Giants 16.45
18 Carolina Panthers 17.09
19 San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers 17.27
20 Houston Oilers/Tennessee Titans 17.67
21 Chicago Bears 17.84
22 New York Jets 18.08
23 Cleveland Browns 18.58
24 Cincinnati Bengals 18.78
25 Buffalo Bills 18.84
26 New Orleans Saints 19.12
27 Atlanta Falcons 19.25
28 Detroit Lions 19.27
29 Houston Texans 19.53
30 Jacksonville Jaguars 19.68
31 Chicago/St Louis/Arizona Cardinals 20.22
32 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 21.41

[Thomkal]

Are you ready for some preseason football? My beloved Cardinals take on the hated Cowboys in the Hall of Fame game tomorrow.

[lungs]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Are you ready for some preseason football? My beloved Cardinals take on the hated Cowboys in the Hall of Fame game tomorrow.

Kellen Moore is about to light up the Cardinals. You heard it here first.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Are you ready for some preseason football? My beloved Cardinals take on the hated Cowboys in the Hall of Fame game tomorrow.

Hopefully the field doesn't melt this year.