NFL Week 8 Discussion Thread: Randy Moss Claimed on Waivers by the Titans - Page 9

Mustang · 11-01-2010, 03:09 PM

I wonder how Favre is taking this. It is like he saved up for a new car for 11 years, had it and then someone stole it out of his driveway after a few weeks.

I wish Ted was a mean spiteful little bastard and would pick up Randy Moss for Aaron Rodgers just for the drama.

jbergey22 · 11-01-2010, 03:16 PM

Its too bad the trade deadline has passed. Bellichek probably could have reacquired him and traded him off for another 3rd round pick.

Sun Tzu · 11-01-2010, 03:18 PM

Ok so...if a guy use to be a "go long" receiver, but not longer has the speed to "go long," and he doesn't have the cojones to go over the middle and take a lick...what does that make him? Other than unproductive.

tucker rocky · 11-01-2010, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

This is awesome. What's next for the Vikes this year.

AP traded to GB?

Mustang · 11-01-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

Ok so...if a guy use to be a "go long" receiver, but not longer has the speed to "go long," and he doesn't have the cojones to go over the middle and take a lick...what does that make him?

Joey Galloway

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 11-01-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

Ok so...if a guy use to be a "go long" receiver, but not longer has the speed to "go long," and he doesn't have the cojones to go over the middle and take a lick...what does that make him? Other than unproductive.

I'm just wondering why you think he no longer has the speed to "go long," because my eyes the past two seasons have said otherwise.

jbergey22 · 11-01-2010, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

Ok so...if a guy use to be a "go long" receiver, but not longer has the speed to "go long," and he doesn't have the cojones to go over the middle and take a lick...what does that make him? Other than unproductive.

What makes you think he doesnt have the speed to go deep? Percy Harvin already admitted that Moss was faster than him when they were messing around after practice a couple of weeks ago.

And he wont be unproductive until teams figure out that hes not longer a threat as they still use umbrella coverages against him which like ive repeatedly mentioned opens up the offense for the Wes Welker/Percy Harvin types.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 11-01-2010, 03:22 PM

The Pats certainly respected him, as Merriweather provided deep cover to Moss on every play. Why else did Harvin get so much room?

DaddyTorgo · 11-01-2010, 03:23 PM

Moss absolutely has the speed.

Sun Tzu · 11-01-2010, 03:24 PM

Well then...that certainly worked out well for the Vikes then, didn't it.

molson · 11-01-2010, 03:25 PM

Apparently Teddy Bruschi said, ""If you have a full grown man as HC and a good core of players, then you want this man on your team."

Sun Tzu · 11-01-2010, 03:25 PM

What makes him so shitty now then? You're telling me that defenses are just now starting to play him deep?

Rizon · 11-01-2010, 03:26 PM

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molson · 11-01-2010, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

What makes him so shitty now then? You're telling me that defenses are just now starting to play him deep?

I don't if we can look at the last 3 weeks as definitive proof that he's "so shitty now".

jbergey22 · 11-01-2010, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

What makes him so shitty now then? You're telling me that defenses are just now starting to play him deep?

He loss some speed around 03-04 and no longer can beat these coverages consistently like he used to but that doesnt make him a shitty player.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 11-01-2010, 03:27 PM

The Pats weren't throwing him the ball. There was a change in offensive philosophy.

And if you're confused about his time in MIN please refer to the first page of the thread.

jeff061 · 11-01-2010, 03:29 PM

Christ Sun Tzu, are you for real here? I can't even figure out what point you are trying to get accross.

He sure as shit isn't a possession receiver, I'm assuming you meant that as a negative commentary on his skills, but failed because you don't know what a possession receiver is?

Lathum · 11-01-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

He opened up the offense for Harvin and AP. Harvin has been great since Moss got here. The game is much more than stats Lathum.

Moss hasnt done shit but just seeing all the different defenses the Pats threw at Moss yesterday shows how much respect he still gets.

Its not Moss's fault if that idiot Childress didnt know how to use him.

Pats are undefeated without him and Vikings are 1-3 with him, the only win barely beating the Cowboys. He obviously has made a tremendous on the field difference, his mailing it in Sunday when he should have caught a TD in Childress' fault?

Stop defending the idiot, he is a cancer and the team is better off without him.

Sun Tzu · 11-01-2010, 03:29 PM

Oh ok...so he was open, but they didn't want to throw it to him?

DaddyTorgo · 11-01-2010, 03:29 PM

http://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/statuses/29400646540#

jeff061 · 11-01-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

The Pats weren't throwing him the ball. There was a change in offensive philosophy.

And if you're confused about his time in MIN please refer to the first page of the thread.

They weren't throwing them, but he was still running the routes.

Sun Tzu · 11-01-2010, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

Christ Sun Tzu, are you for real here? I can't even figure out what point you are trying to get accross.

He sure as shit isn't a possession receiver, I'm assuming you meant that as a negative commentary on his skills, but failed because you don't know what a possession receiver is?

Please, by all means, enlighten me as to exactly what Moss is now. He isn't a productive deep threat, and he doesn't use his height to his advantage over the middle ala a quality TE.

I know I know.

Keyshawn Johnson.

jeff061 · 11-01-2010, 03:36 PM

A deep threat who isn't as productive?

The guy is not running short inside routes 90% of the time, that's not going to happen. He only does to surprise the defense or to keep them honest. He runs deep, that's his skill. If he can't get the ball deep as well as he used to then he's just not as good as a WR as he used to be.

He is absolutely 100% not capable of being a possession receiver any more than he is a linebacker.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 11-01-2010, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

he doesn't use his height to his advantage over the middle ala a quality TE

Maybe then he'd be a possession receiver.

jbergey22 · 11-01-2010, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Pats are undefeated without him and Vikings are 1-3 with him, the only win barely beating the Cowboys. He obviously has made a tremendous on the field difference, his mailing it in Sunday when he should have caught a TD in Childress' fault?

Stop defending the idiot, he is a cancer and the team is better off without him.

Sometimes you have to let players play through their stuggles. I mean the Giants should have cut their entire defense after last year but they didnt and now they have one of the top defenses in the entire NFL.

I mean that moron Childress traded for Moss and knew exactly what he was getting. He didnt find a way to get him involved directly in the offense and cuts him right before their easiest stretch of games this year in which Moss would have likely found happiness.

jeff061 · 11-01-2010, 03:39 PM

He can't work in traffic, can't take hits well, is not very quick, can't get YAC in traffic. Etc...will never be a Welker type.

Scoobz0202 · 11-01-2010, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Pats are undefeated without him and Vikings are 1-3 with him, the only win barely beating the Cowboys. He obviously has made a tremendous on the field difference, his mailing it in Sunday when he should have caught a TD in Childress' fault?

Stop defending the idiot, he is a cancer and the team is better off without him.

Without him, the Vikings averaged 14.3 points in the first three games. Since they have had them they averaged 21.5. 1-2 without him. 1-3 with him. Not like they were whooping ass before they got him.

With him the Patriots averaged 32.7 points. They were 3-1. Without him, they averaged 24.6 points and went 3-0. Again, not like they sucked WITH him.

Both teams offenses improved with him.

Thomkal · 11-01-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

Just to fuck with everybody, Minnesota should claim Moss on waivers.

That would be epic

Sun Tzu · 11-01-2010, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

He can't work in traffic, can't take hits well, is not very quick, can't get YAC in traffic. Etc...will never be a Welker type.

You're comparing him to someone who is quite possibly the best possession receiver in the last 20 years. No shit he's not going to be Welker. He's a shitty possession reciever, but that's what he is now. He can't do anything else, so he's been relegated to a vastly overpaid possession receiver.

jeff061 · 11-01-2010, 03:46 PM

The Pats offense has clearly suffered without him. But they seem to be a much more resilient and tough team since he left. They've gone from a 1st half team to a start slow but close the game out team. The transformation has happened shockingly quickly. Question is whether it was a coincidence or not.

jeff061 · 11-01-2010, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

You're comparing him to someone who is quite possibly the best possession receiver in the last 20 years. No shit he's not going to be Welker. He's a shitty possession reciever, but that's what he is now. He can't do anything else, so he's been relegated to a vastly overpaid possession receiver.

Christ, I only picked Welker because he's who I am familiar with most, I meant that type of player not a carbon copy.

Its worth noting Welker has just about disappeared since Moss left.

jbergey22 · 11-01-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

Please, by all means, enlighten me as to exactly what Moss is now. He isn't a productive deep threat, and he doesn't use his height to his advantage over the middle ala a quality TE.

I know I know.

Keyshawn Johnson.

He's a WR that is capable of taking the top off a defense which defensive cordinators fear like nothing else. When you have a threat like Moss on your team you cant blitz as much as you want to nor play 8 in the box a lot against them teams. He was actually a perfect compliment to a team with AP and Harvin. Now that pipe dream is over.

Mustang · 11-01-2010, 03:48 PM

Overall this is just flat out odd. Part of this is probably Childress's frustration with Favre. He probably is pissed that he can't do anything to Favre so, went way overboard with Moss. If they were 5-2, no chance they release Moss and they just put up with his antics. But with a QB and WR being a thorn in his ass? No.

Ksyrup · 11-01-2010, 03:49 PM

I think we may need another Rally to Restore Sanity....

jbergey22 · 11-01-2010, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang

Overall this is just flat out odd. Part of this is probably Childress's frustration with Favre. He probably is pissed that he can't do anything to Favre so, went way overboard with Moss. If they were 5-2, no chance they release Moss and they just put up with his antics. But with a QB and WR being a thorn in his ass? No.

It probably is because Moss isnt afraid to say what everyone else on the team thinks which is Childress is an idiot and no one on the team respects him.

Travis · 11-01-2010, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

He's a WR that is capable of taking the top off a defense which defensive cordinators fear like nothing else. When you have a threat like Moss on your team you cant blitz as much as you want to nor play 8 in the box a lot against them teams. He was actually a perfect compliment to a team with AP and Harvin. Now that pipe dream is over.

Until Rice returns, then you arguably have a better offense than you had with Moss.

I was curious to see how things would work with all of them on the field, but I'd imagine most people, at this point, would take Rice over Moss if/when Rice is healthy.

Sun Tzu · 11-01-2010, 03:52 PM

I can't believe there are still people drinking the Moss kool-aid. I mean...c'mon, seriously here. How much of a homer could you possibly be?

Kodos · 11-01-2010, 03:53 PM

The Bears could use a legitimate receiver.

RomaGoth · 11-01-2010, 03:54 PM

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I think Moss in Miami would be great fun

If seeing the train wreck that is his alma mater doesn't make Chad Henne cry, having Randy "cancer" Moss on his team sure as hell will.

Matthean · 11-01-2010, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead Spock

Let's go, Al Davis. Perfect opportunity to fuck up that little bit of momentum. Quash it now.

Too bad he died before this year's draft.

DaddyTorgo · 11-01-2010, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

Christ, I only picked Welker because he's who I am familiar with most, I meant that type of player not a carbon copy.

Its worth noting Welker has just about disappeared since Moss left.

And this (among other decisions) has totally fucked my fantasy team.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 11-01-2010, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

I can't believe there are still people drinking the Moss kool-aid. I mean...c'mon, seriously here. How much of a homer could you possibly be?

So you know more about football and Randy Moss's ability than Bill Belichick?

RomaGoth · 11-01-2010, 03:57 PM

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And this (among other decisions) has totally fucked my fantasy team.

I have Moss on mine....

jbergey22 · 11-01-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis

Until Rice returns, then you arguably have a better offense than you had with Moss.

I was curious to see how things would work with all of them on the field, but I'd imagine most people, at this point, would take Rice over Moss if/when Rice is healthy.

This could have something to do it. Perhaps Rice is closer than we think and Moss/Rice wouldnt have been a great combo.

Kodos · 11-01-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

It's not done with. I hope New England pays him so he go out like a winner rather than end his career like TO has(floating from team to team) as Ive always liked Moss and think he is the best WR to ever play the game.

If he hasnt gotten paid by week 8 and the Pats arent a Super Bowl contender he will mail it in at that point.

Pats have no reason not to give him an extension.

I do agree that he respects Brady.

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Whoever said Moss is the best WR in NFL history... wow. He isn't fit to sniff Jerry Rice's jock strap.

jeff061 · 11-01-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

I can't believe there are still people drinking the Moss kool-aid. I mean...c'mon, seriously here. How much of a homer could you possibly be?

You just keep twisting things around. Let's make it simple.

He's not a possession receiver, that's just dumb. Saying he is not a possession receiver doesn't mean you think he's awesome, it just means you aren't saying stupid things.

Welker has seen the ball thrown to him less since Moss was gone. The common thinking about Welker was that he got the ball so many times because Moss was pulling defenders away from him. This was why Moss was still considered a productive WR even when he wasn't catching balls. So far, in a very limited sample size, this has been true.

Have to imagine Moss was even worse in the Minnesota locker room than any of us realize for this to happen given they gave up a 3rd round for him.

He'll likely be the same on just about any other team. There may be a couple he's well behaved on(not sure which) but he needs to sign on his own terms. Can't see him reacting well to be claimed off waivers.

jbergey22 · 11-01-2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

I can't believe there are still people drinking the Moss kool-aid. I mean...c'mon, seriously here. How much of a homer could you possibly be?

Perhaps others are more familiar with Moss's skillset other than you?

Sun Tzu · 11-01-2010, 04:02 PM

What Kodos said. I've stuck to my original post from the beginning, despite you claiming I've "twisted things around."

Jughead Spock · 11-01-2010, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Too bad he died before this year's draft.

Don't tease.

jbergey22 · 11-01-2010, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one.

Rice with the Raiders/Broncos wasnt the Rice you seen with the 49ers. Everyone gets old at a point and isnt as productive.

11-01-2010, 03:09 PM	#401
Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	I wonder how Favre is taking this. It is like he saved up for a new car for 11 years, had it and then someone stole it out of his driveway after a few weeks. I wish Ted was a mean spiteful little bastard and would pick up Randy Moss for Aaron Rodgers just for the drama. __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its...

11-01-2010, 03:18 PM	#403
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	Ok so...if a guy use to be a "go long" receiver, but not longer has the speed to "go long," and he doesn't have the cojones to go over the middle and take a lick...what does that make him? Other than unproductive. __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

11-01-2010, 03:22 PM	#408
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	The Pats certainly respected him, as Merriweather provided deep cover to Moss on every play. Why else did Harvin get so much room? __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

11-01-2010, 03:24 PM	#410
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	Well then...that certainly worked out well for the Vikes then, didn't it. __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

11-01-2010, 03:25 PM	#412
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	What makes him so shitty now then? You're telling me that defenses are just now starting to play him deep? __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

11-01-2010, 03:16 PM	#402
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Its too bad the trade deadline has passed. Bellichek probably could have reacquired him and traded him off for another 3rd round pick.

11-01-2010, 03:23 PM	#409
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Moss absolutely has the speed.

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molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Apparently Teddy Bruschi said, ""If you have a full grown man as HC and a good core of players, then you want this man on your team."

11-01-2010, 03:27 PM	#416
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	The Pats weren't throwing him the ball. There was a change in offensive philosophy. And if you're confused about his time in MIN please refer to the first page of the thread. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think Last edited by Ronnie Dobbs2 : 11-01-2010 at 03:28 PM.

11-01-2010, 03:29 PM	#417
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Christ Sun Tzu, are you for real here? I can't even figure out what point you are trying to get accross. He sure as shit isn't a possession receiver, I'm assuming you meant that as a negative commentary on his skills, but failed because you don't know what a possession receiver is? __________________

11-01-2010, 03:29 PM	#419
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	Oh ok...so he was open, but they didn't want to throw it to him? __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

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11-01-2010, 03:36 PM	#423
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	A deep threat who isn't as productive? The guy is not running short inside routes 90% of the time, that's not going to happen. He only does to surprise the defense or to keep them honest. He runs deep, that's his skill. If he can't get the ball deep as well as he used to then he's just not as good as a WR as he used to be. He is absolutely 100% not capable of being a possession receiver any more than he is a linebacker. __________________ Last edited by jeff061 : 11-01-2010 at 03:37 PM.

11-01-2010, 03:39 PM	#426
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	He can't work in traffic, can't take hits well, is not very quick, can't get YAC in traffic. Etc...will never be a Welker type. __________________

11-01-2010, 03:46 PM	#430
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	The Pats offense has clearly suffered without him. But they seem to be a much more resilient and tough team since he left. They've gone from a 1st half team to a start slow but close the game out team. The transformation has happened shockingly quickly. Question is whether it was a coincidence or not. __________________

11-01-2010, 03:48 PM	#433
Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	Overall this is just flat out odd. Part of this is probably Childress's frustration with Favre. He probably is pissed that he can't do anything to Favre so, went way overboard with Moss. If they were 5-2, no chance they release Moss and they just put up with his antics. But with a QB and WR being a thorn in his ass? No. __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its...

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11-01-2010, 03:52 PM	#437
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	I can't believe there are still people drinking the Moss kool-aid. I mean...c'mon, seriously here. How much of a homer could you possibly be? __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

11-01-2010, 03:53 PM	#438
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11-01-2010, 04:02 PM	#448
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	What Kodos said. I've stuck to my original post from the beginning, despite you claiming I've "twisted things around." __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

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