Moon Landing

MJ4H · 01-19-2005, 05:29 PM

Just curious if anyone here believes the moon landing was a hoax. I seem to be having this debate a lot lately and I was curious about what people on this board thought about the subject.

So, moon landing: real or hoax?

EagleFan · 01-19-2005, 05:31 PM

Haven't we been down this road before. Time for the whackos with their conspiracy theories to come out.

Joe · 01-19-2005, 05:32 PM

it was filmed on an air force base in california

MJ4H · 01-19-2005, 05:33 PM

I don't know if we have or not. I do have a very particular reason for asking the question though. Maybe I should have done a search, but maybe it will be a fun debate to have again. If not, I guess we will see.

Desnudo · 01-19-2005, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George W Bush

it was filmed on an air force base in california

I heard that it was made to look like an air force base in California. It was actually filmed in the Gobi desert.

EagleFan · 01-19-2005, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desnudo

I heard that it was made to look like an air force base in California. It was actually filmed in the Gobi desert.

I heard it was actually filmed on Mars but made to look like it was being made to look like it was being filmed in the Gobi desert while being made to look like it was being filmed at an Air Force base ni California.

Crapshoot · 01-19-2005, 05:47 PM

I wonder what the correlation between the intelligent design nutjobs and the moon fake is.

MJ4H · 01-19-2005, 05:50 PM

Im actually wondering about a different correlation. If you are wondering, I believe in intelligent design and believe the moon landing was real.

Desnudo · 01-19-2005, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I heard it was actually filmed on Mars but made to look like it was being made to look like it was being filmed in the Gobi desert while being made to look like it was being filmed at an Air Force base ni California.

They say that is actually a false version of the story secretly released by the Trilateral Commission to confuse the general public and keep them out of the Gobi where they continue to manipulate the world economy and build a giant laser.

sabotai · 01-19-2005, 05:57 PM

I've had a very simple "Idiot Test" for several years. It goes like this

Question 1: Did the Holocaust happen?
Question 2: Did we land on the Moon?

If the person gives an answer of "No" to Question 1 And/Or Question 2, they're an idiot.

tanglewood · 01-19-2005, 06:03 PM

I cannot believe 5 people out of 24 voted no.

Masked · 01-19-2005, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tanglewood

I cannot believe 5 people out of 24 voted no.

I am guessing most of those voters were looking for the trout option.

digamma · 01-19-2005, 06:35 PM

Isn't someone going to quote Californication?

kcchief19 · 01-19-2005, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desnudo

They say that is actually a false version of the story secretly released by the Trilateral Commission to confuse the general public and keep them out of the Gobi where they continue to manipulate the world economy and build a giant laser.

In conjunction with the Rand Corporation under the supvervision of the reverse vampires.

BigJohn&TheLions · 01-19-2005, 07:00 PM

I am convinced it was real. We had to have a good place to stash the bullet that really killed JFK.

kcchief19 · 01-19-2005, 07:00 PM

I think I have to go with Sabotai on this one. It's pretty much a no-brainer. I've seen the manifestos of people who don't believe it happened and the number of verifiable facts that prove it happened that they overlook to prove the conspiracy theory is staggering.

Then again, I guess I'm a conspiracy nut job because I'm not convinced that Area 51 was a weather balloon experiment.

Kodos · 01-19-2005, 07:03 PM

Reverse vampires? AHHHHHH!

sterlingice · 01-19-2005, 07:13 PM

kcchief19 and Kodos get the Shameless Simpsons Quote Seal of Approval

SI

sabotai · 01-19-2005, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcchief19

I think I have to go with Sabotai on this one. It's pretty much a no-brainer. I've seen the manifestos of people who don't believe it happened and the number of verifiable facts that prove it happened that they overlook to prove the conspiracy theory is staggering.

Not to mention that their arguments are some of the worst arguments for anything I've ever heard. Just bad logic, false assumptions....it's just so bad. It makes me shake my head. How can people be so stupid?

atatange1 · 01-19-2005, 09:02 PM

Hoax! It was a totally a bunker

Glengoyne · 01-19-2005, 09:04 PM

I dunno I might have to change my vote after reading this site. They seem to have the whole thing pretty well covered. Hoax.

sabotai · 01-19-2005, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

I dunno I might have to change my vote after reading this site. They seem to have the whole thing pretty well covered. Hoax.

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

cthomer5000 · 01-19-2005, 09:35 PM

Has everyone seen Buzz Aldrin's response to the critics?

http://www.collegehumor.com/?movie_id=65098

Ben E Lou · 01-19-2005, 09:39 PM

We never walked on the moon.
Elvis ain't dead.
You ain't goin' crazy.
It's all in your head.

Draft Dodger · 01-19-2005, 09:49 PM

Sabotai++

I can tolerate some conspiracy theories - my dad loved that kind of stuff.
But I have no tolerance for the moon hoax idiots. None.

Neon_Chaos · 01-19-2005, 09:56 PM

I think that the landings are real. Maybe.

Chief Rum · 01-19-2005, 10:29 PM

The Gobi Desert makes me laugh, since it was located in between the Soviet Union and the PRC at the time (yeah, I know it was a joke--or I think it was

).

I was thinking that in order to get to and out of the Gobi Desert undetected with all the equipment they would need, NASA (or whatever shadow organization would have put it together) would have needed to spend as much as they did on the moon landing.

CR

AZSpeechCoach · 01-19-2005, 10:50 PM

I believe that it was a trout on the moon.

If nobody else was going to say it...

WrongWay · 01-19-2005, 10:56 PM

HOAX!

Actually, I belive that the "Still" pictures were later redone. Using the Astronauts journals they built a set and refilmed everything; the actual Astronauts di not know anything about this. Asking still picture film to go from boiling temps to freezing temps is even hard by todays standards, and then to get the quality that NASA claims in this still pictures is just plain unbelievable.

I believe the live feed because it looks like crap, but NASA's crystal clear pictures I do not believe. I do not blame NASA for "Dramatazing" their pictures, after all without the cool looking still pictures all they would of had for proof they went to the moon would of been a bucket of ordinary looking rocks.

MJ4H · 01-19-2005, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

HOAX!

What evidence do you have the picture film went from boiling temps to freezing temps?

EDIT:

Note - this is a common misconception among conspiracy believers.

Glengoyne · 01-19-2005, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattJones4Heisman

What evidence do you have the picture film went from boiling temps to freezing temps?

EDIT:

Note - this is a common misconception among conspiracy believers.

This is true. I'm assuming that the astronauts walked from the shade and into the sun on a number of occassions. I don't know why we would assume that the film was subjected to any more extreme temperatures than the astronauts themselves.

Damn near all of the assumptions/assertions on that page are patently ridiculous. I am sorta curious what the, I guess Moon shot believers/defenders, say about one of the photos with the shadows going in different directions. It certainly looks wrong to me, and I really can't come up with a reasonable explanation for it; other than well perhaps some of the indivisual photo was retouched.

Well that and when Tommy Lee Jones dies on the surface of the moon in Space Cowboys, he clearly looks up and sees stars. Since there are no stars visible in the Lunar Surface pics, they are clearly faked.

Suicane75 · 01-19-2005, 11:44 PM

Hoax.

Aylmar · 01-20-2005, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

Damn near all of the assumptions/assertions on that page are patently ridiculous. I am sorta curious what the, I guess Moon shot believers/defenders, say about the photos with the shadows going in different directions. That certainly looks wrong to me, and I really can't come up with a reasonable explanation for some of the shots; other than well perhaps some of the indivisual photos were retouched.

If you really want to know about this, here's a link:

hxxp://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html#parallel

WrongWay · 01-20-2005, 08:31 AM

Maybe a Mars Landing could bail out Social Security!

Poli · 01-20-2005, 09:14 AM

I'm the key figure in an ongoing government charade, a plot to conceal the truth about the existence of extraterrestrials. It's a global conspiracy actually, with key players in the highest levels of power, that reaches down into the lives of every man, woman and child on this planet....So of course no one believes me. I'm a..I'm an annoyance to my superiors, a joke to my peers, they call me 'Spooky', Spooky Ardent, whose sister was abducted by aliens when he was just a kid. And who now chases little green men with a badge and a gun, shouting to the heavens and to anyone who'll listen that the fix is in, that the sky is falling, and when it hits it's gonna be the shit-storm of all time.

MJ4H · 01-20-2005, 09:34 AM

Well first of all the missions were scheduled for lunar morning when the temperatures were moderate. Second of all don't forget there is a difference between temperature of the lunar SURFACE and things that are not the lunar surface. Heat transfer is certainly not efficient when there is no medium to transfer heat (atmosphere).

As for the pictures, do you really think you would see stars in a photograph from the surface of the moon? Why do you think that? Because you saw it in a movie? The stars are far too faint to show up on the film using the exposure settings used by the astronaut for the BRIGHT lunar surface. If you take a camera tonight and take a picture of the night sky using these same settings on earth, you will not see stars in the picture.

As for the shadows goind different directions that is easily explained by surface angle. See this photo from earth for an example of shadows going in different directions http://www.clavius.org/shad15.html

You see, there really is nothing. Nothing, nothing, nothing to the hoax theory. Everything that is brought up is either extremely poorly reasoned, factually inaccurate, or based on false assumptions. Please, people, for the love of pete, stop believing this nonsense. I'm losing hair over this.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 01-20-2005, 10:10 AM

I believe that the moon landings have happened. I have heard that there were peole who were in the sound stage when the landings were taped. There was a debate on the george noory show a while back about the landings. Usually happen 2x yearly.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 01-20-2005, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WrongWay

Maybe a Mars Landing could bail out Social Security!

Speaking of Mars whatever happened to the planned Mars Missions?

rkmsuf · 01-20-2005, 10:13 AM

Of course it's a hoax. Why the f*ck would we go to the Moon?

MJ4H · 01-20-2005, 10:36 AM

I think JFK double-dog-dared us.

sterlingice · 01-20-2005, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I'm the key figure in an ongoing government charade, a plot to conceal the truth about the existence of extraterrestrials. It's a global conspiracy actually, with key players in the highest levels of power, that reaches down into the lives of every man, woman and child on this planet....So of course no one believes me. I'm a..I'm an annoyance to my superiors, a joke to my peers, they call me 'Spooky', Spooky Ardent, whose sister was abducted by aliens when he was just a kid. And who now chases little green men with a badge and a gun, shouting to the heavens and to anyone who'll listen that the fix is in, that the sky is falling, and when it hits it's gonna be the shit-storm of all time.

Now we have an excuse to call you Fox. Or at least make fun of you for your massive porn collection that you keep in your desk in the basement at the FBI.

SI

Glengoyne · 01-20-2005, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aylmar

If you really want to know about this, here's a link:

hxxp://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html#parallel

Actually I had pretty well been able to dismiss all of the photo problems except one, and I haven't seen it specifically debunked as of yet. I'm sure the explanation is just as sensible as the more obvious one's, I just didn't find it.

This is the pic.

I'm just not seeing how a slope, even if it is more severe than it looks could effect the shadow of the flag in that manner. I'm sort of wondering this this isn't some sort of panoramic lens issue.

Suicane75 · 01-20-2005, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

Actually I had pretty well been able to dismiss all of the photo problems except one, and I haven't seen it specifically debunked as of yet. I'm sure the explanation is just as sensible as the more obvious one's, I just didn't find it.

This is the pic.

I'm just not seeing how a slope, even if it is more severe than it looks could effect the shadow of the flag in that manner. I'm sort of wondering this this isn't some sort of panoramic lens issue.

The hand puppet in the lower right hand corner makes it so obvious that this was a fake.

MJ4H · 01-20-2005, 05:23 PM

At first glance I would say that the panoramic view contributes to any uncomfortableness you feel about shadow angles.

MJ4H · 01-20-2005, 05:24 PM

http://www.clavius.org/a11rear.html

This link should help, too.

Glengoyne · 01-20-2005, 05:42 PM

I can resolve the discrepancy between the LEM's shadow, and the photographer's. I can also resolve the flag's shadow with that of the photographer's. I just have trouble with the three shadows together. The slope to the right doesn't seem steep enough to cause such a difference.

I'm not saying that that I buy into this stuff in any way at all, I'm just saying that I'm not 100% happy with the explanation of perspective to resolve the shadows above. I'm sure the explanation exists, and perhaps it really is just perspective.

Huckleberry · 01-20-2005, 05:50 PM

It's a combination of perspective and panorama. The specific location of the photographer's shadow further proves this point. The flag is to his right and the LEM is to his left.

Glengoyne · 01-20-2005, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

It's a combination of perspective and panorama. The specific location of the photographer's shadow further proves this point. The flag is to his right and the LEM is to his left.

I just came back here and looked again at that picture, and ...

When I noted where the camera was actually pointed, and forced myself to realize that the shadow of the "photographer"(Thank You Huckleberry) was not the direction of the photo. It is an optical illusion of sorts, that draws the eyes to that area of the photo. I believe that the three shadows actually perfectly coorespond to a light source behind the photographer and to his left. All I had to do was realize that the shadow of the photographer was incidental so to speak.

Fritz · 01-20-2005, 08:51 PM

if my first memory is a hoax, there is going to be some hell to play

Ragone · 01-20-2005, 08:52 PM

I really wish you had made the user vote visible on this poll matt

View Poll Results: Moon Landing: Real or Hoax?
Real	123	86.01%
Hoax	20	13.99%
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01-19-2005, 07:00 PM	#15
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01-19-2005, 07:03 PM	#17
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01-19-2005, 09:39 PM	#24
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01-19-2005, 05:31 PM	#2
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Haven't we been down this road before. Time for the whackos with their conspiracy theories to come out.

01-19-2005, 05:32 PM	#3
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	it was filmed on an air force base in california

01-19-2005, 05:33 PM	#4
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	I don't know if we have or not. I do have a very particular reason for asking the question though. Maybe I should have done a search, but maybe it will be a fun debate to have again. If not, I guess we will see.

01-19-2005, 05:47 PM	#7
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	I wonder what the correlation between the intelligent design nutjobs and the moon fake is.

01-19-2005, 05:50 PM	#8
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	Im actually wondering about a different correlation. If you are wondering, I believe in intelligent design and believe the moon landing was real.

01-19-2005, 05:57 PM	#10
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	I've had a very simple "Idiot Test" for several years. It goes like this Question 1: Did the Holocaust happen? Question 2: Did we land on the Moon? If the person gives an answer of "No" to Question 1 And/Or Question 2, they're an idiot.

01-19-2005, 06:03 PM	#11
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	I cannot believe 5 people out of 24 voted no.

01-19-2005, 06:35 PM	#13
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	Isn't someone going to quote Californication?

01-19-2005, 07:00 PM	#16
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	I think I have to go with Sabotai on this one. It's pretty much a no-brainer. I've seen the manifestos of people who don't believe it happened and the number of verifiable facts that prove it happened that they overlook to prove the conspiracy theory is staggering. Then again, I guess I'm a conspiracy nut job because I'm not convinced that Area 51 was a weather balloon experiment.

01-19-2005, 09:02 PM	#20
atatange1 High School JV Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: WA state	Hoax! It was a totally a bunker

01-19-2005, 09:04 PM	#21
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	I dunno I might have to change my vote after reading this site. They seem to have the whole thing pretty well covered. Hoax.

01-19-2005, 09:49 PM	#25
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01-19-2005, 09:56 PM	#26
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	I think that the landings are real. Maybe.

01-19-2005, 10:29 PM	#27
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	The Gobi Desert makes me laugh, since it was located in between the Soviet Union and the PRC at the time (yeah, I know it was a joke--or I think it was ). I was thinking that in order to get to and out of the Gobi Desert undetected with all the equipment they would need, NASA (or whatever shadow organization would have put it together) would have needed to spend as much as they did on the moon landing. CR __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

01-19-2005, 10:50 PM	#28
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01-19-2005, 10:56 PM	#29
WrongWay Banned Join Date: Jan 2005	HOAX! Actually, I belive that the "Still" pictures were later redone. Using the Astronauts journals they built a set and refilmed everything; the actual Astronauts di not know anything about this. Asking still picture film to go from boiling temps to freezing temps is even hard by todays standards, and then to get the quality that NASA claims in this still pictures is just plain unbelievable. I believe the live feed because it looks like crap, but NASA's crystal clear pictures I do not believe. I do not blame NASA for "Dramatazing" their pictures, after all without the cool looking still pictures all they would of had for proof they went to the moon would of been a bucket of ordinary looking rocks.

01-19-2005, 11:44 PM	#32
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	Hoax.

01-20-2005, 08:31 AM	#34
WrongWay Banned Join Date: Jan 2005	Maybe a Mars Landing could bail out Social Security!

01-20-2005, 09:14 AM	#35
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I'm the key figure in an ongoing government charade, a plot to conceal the truth about the existence of extraterrestrials. It's a global conspiracy actually, with key players in the highest levels of power, that reaches down into the lives of every man, woman and child on this planet....So of course no one believes me. I'm a..I'm an annoyance to my superiors, a joke to my peers, they call me 'Spooky', Spooky Ardent, whose sister was abducted by aliens when he was just a kid. And who now chases little green men with a badge and a gun, shouting to the heavens and to anyone who'll listen that the fix is in, that the sky is falling, and when it hits it's gonna be the shit-storm of all time. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum. Last edited by Poli : 01-20-2005 at 09:15 AM.

01-20-2005, 09:34 AM	#36
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	Well first of all the missions were scheduled for lunar morning when the temperatures were moderate. Second of all don't forget there is a difference between temperature of the lunar SURFACE and things that are not the lunar surface. Heat transfer is certainly not efficient when there is no medium to transfer heat (atmosphere). As for the pictures, do you really think you would see stars in a photograph from the surface of the moon? Why do you think that? Because you saw it in a movie? The stars are far too faint to show up on the film using the exposure settings used by the astronaut for the BRIGHT lunar surface. If you take a camera tonight and take a picture of the night sky using these same settings on earth, you will not see stars in the picture. As for the shadows goind different directions that is easily explained by surface angle. See this photo from earth for an example of shadows going in different directions http://www.clavius.org/shad15.html You see, there really is nothing. Nothing, nothing, nothing to the hoax theory. Everything that is brought up is either extremely poorly reasoned, factually inaccurate, or based on false assumptions. Please, people, for the love of pete, stop believing this nonsense. I'm losing hair over this.

01-20-2005, 10:10 AM	#37
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	I believe that the moon landings have happened. I have heard that there were peole who were in the sound stage when the landings were taped. There was a debate on the george noory show a while back about the landings. Usually happen 2x yearly. __________________ Toujour Pret

01-20-2005, 10:13 AM	#39
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	Of course it's a hoax. Why the f*ck would we go to the Moon? __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

01-20-2005, 10:36 AM	#40
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	I think JFK double-dog-dared us.

01-20-2005, 05:23 PM	#44
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	At first glance I would say that the panoramic view contributes to any uncomfortableness you feel about shadow angles.

01-20-2005, 05:24 PM	#45
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	http://www.clavius.org/a11rear.html This link should help, too.

01-20-2005, 05:42 PM	#46
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	I can resolve the discrepancy between the LEM's shadow, and the photographer's. I can also resolve the flag's shadow with that of the photographer's. I just have trouble with the three shadows together. The slope to the right doesn't seem steep enough to cause such a difference. I'm not saying that that I buy into this stuff in any way at all, I'm just saying that I'm not 100% happy with the explanation of perspective to resolve the shadows above. I'm sure the explanation exists, and perhaps it really is just perspective.

01-20-2005, 05:50 PM	#47
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01-20-2005, 08:51 PM	#49
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01-20-2005, 08:52 PM	#50
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	I really wish you had made the user vote visible on this poll matt

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