Brady - Manning

Kodos · 09-27-2005, 12:05 PM

Paul Tagliabue has gone insane and decreed that the NFL is getting reshuffled. You're building a team from scratch, and you want to draft a QB in the first slot. Manning and Brady are both available.

panerd · 09-27-2005, 12:06 PM

Manning. It's not Manning's fault his defense has sucked until this year.

rkmsuf · 09-27-2005, 12:06 PM

Brady

vex · 09-27-2005, 12:07 PM

Akili Smith.

Raiders Army · 09-27-2005, 12:07 PM

Where's the trout option?

st.cronin · 09-27-2005, 12:07 PM

I really don't get why ANYBODY would pick Manning over Brady.

Kodos · 09-27-2005, 12:07 PM

Trout can't throw footballs.

st.cronin · 09-27-2005, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I really don't get why ANYBODY would pick Manning over Brady.

dola

That's not a crack on Manning, exactly. I think he's a very good QB.

Raiders Army · 09-27-2005, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I really don't get why ANYBODY would pick Manning over Brady.

I know why, but I don't agree with it.

rkmsuf · 09-27-2005, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I know why, but I don't agree with it.

bitter.raider.fan

vtbub · 09-27-2005, 12:10 PM

same arguement 20 years ago, Montana or Marino.

Raiders Army · 09-27-2005, 12:10 PM

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bitter.raider.fan

not so funny today...

rkmsuf · 09-27-2005, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by vtbub

same arguement 20 years ago, Montana or Marino.

Montana

Marino sucks.

Raiders Army · 09-27-2005, 12:11 PM

Also, who's your coach? If my coach were Belichick, I'd pick Brady for sure. A lot of it is the system as well.

cthomer5000 · 09-27-2005, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I really don't get why ANYBODY would pick Manning over Brady.

How about because he's a better quarterback?

st.cronin · 09-27-2005, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Also, who's your coach? If my coach were Belichick, I'd pick Brady for sure. A lot of it is the system as well.

I think that's true but the other way: The Patriot's system has DISGUISED how good Brady really is.

Really, they're both very good QBs. I think Brady is a little bit better.

wade moore · 09-27-2005, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

How about because he's a better quarterback?

DING DING DING ... we have a winner!

digamma · 09-27-2005, 12:17 PM

There was an interesting discussion on Cowherd this morning about who the fourth best QB in the league is--taking the given that Manning, Brady and McNabb are the top three and there is a drop off between those three and anyone else.

That might just be another poll question.

rkmsuf · 09-27-2005, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

How about because he puts up better stats?

fixed it for you

Kodos · 09-27-2005, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by vtbub

same arguement 20 years ago, Montana or Marino.

I was actually thinking of posting a parallel poll.

I take Marino and Manning. I'm just a sucker for classic all-out passers.

rkmsuf · 09-27-2005, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

There was an interesting discussion on Cowherd this morning about who the fourth best QB in the league is--taking the given that Manning, Brady and McNabb are the top three and there is a drop off between those three and anyone else.

That might just be another poll question.

Culpepper would probably be the consensus but if it continues this way then I guess it's Carson Palmer.

cthomer5000 · 09-27-2005, 12:19 PM

Mentally, if I imagine the QBs switching places 4 years ago, I have little doubt that Manning is more successful with New England than Brady is with Indy.

rkmsuf · 09-27-2005, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Mentally, if I imagine the QBs switching places 4 years ago, I have little doubt that Manning is more successful with New England than Brady is with Indy.

so like Manning wins 4 superbowls?

Kodos · 09-27-2005, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Mentally, if I imagine the QBs switching places 4 years ago, I have little doubt that Manning is more successful with New England than Brady is with Indy.

Yep. Brady to some degree is a product of Belicheck and a very solid team with depth. Manning has carried the team to whatever success they have enjoyed with little to no help from his defense before this season.

cthomer5000 · 09-27-2005, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

so like Manning wins 4 superbowls?

3 or more, yes. If everything else is identical. Does Brady even make the playoffs some of those years in INDy? I have my doubts.

rkmsuf · 09-27-2005, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

3 or more, yes. If everything else is identical. Does Brady even make the playoffs some of those years in INDy? I have my doubts.

Considering the leadership and heroics required of Brady that is a bold assumption.

You feel like Manning leads the Pats down the field last week in Pit? You can but it's not a slam dunk to me.

Raiders Army · 09-27-2005, 12:29 PM

Throwing the ball: Manning edges Brady
Running the ball: Brady edges Manning
Football smarts: draw
Intangibles: Brady edges Manning

I'd go with Brady. Intangibles win it.

Raiders Army · 09-27-2005, 12:30 PM

Dola, also the proof is in the rings.

Kodos · 09-27-2005, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Dola, also the proof is in the rings.

I would argue that it's not. Trent Dilfer has a ring, but he's not a great quarterback. It's a team sport.

rkmsuf · 09-27-2005, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Throwing the ball: Manning edges Brady
Running the ball: Brady edges Manning
Football smarts: draw
Intangibles: Brady edges Manning

I'd go with Brady. Intangibles win it.

IMO, Brady is a much better leader.

rkmsuf · 09-27-2005, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

I would argue that it's not. Trent Dilfer has a ring, but he's not a great quarterback. It's a team sport.

anyone still drawing comparisons between Dilfer and Brady is delusional.

Dilfer's ring was the ultimate fluke. 3 rings is called a dynasty.

Draft Dodger · 09-27-2005, 12:32 PM

I take Brady, because he makes less annoying commercials.

Raiders Army · 09-27-2005, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

I would argue that it's not. Trent Dilfer has a ring, but he's not a great quarterback. It's a team sport.

Rings

Kodos · 09-27-2005, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

anyone still drawing comparisons between Dilfer and Brady is delusional.

Dilfer's ring was the ultimate fluke. 3 rings is called a dynasty.

I'm not trying to detract from Brady. He is a very good QB. My point is that a bunch of rings doesn't necessarily result just from Brady's efforts. In fact, the Patriot's success seems to be more the result of a true team effort than any other NFL team I can think of.

rkmsuf · 09-27-2005, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

I'm not trying to detract from Brady. He is a very good QB. My point is that a bunch of rings doesn't necessarily result just from Brady's efforts. In fact, the Patriot's success seems to be more the result of a true team effort than any other NFL team I can think of.

I'd submit he's a big, big part of that.

st.cronin · 09-27-2005, 12:38 PM

I'm reluctant to make the 'clutch' argument since in the NFL pretty much every game is a big game - but there's no denying Manning has a pretty long history of spotty performances in big games, going back to college.

gstelmack · 09-27-2005, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd

Manning. It's not Manning's fault his defense has sucked until this year.

And now that he's got a defense, he can't seem to move the ball at all

Raiders Army · 09-27-2005, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'm reluctant to make the 'clutch' argument since in the NFL pretty much every game is a big game - but there's no denying Manning has a pretty long history of spotty performances in big games, going back to college.

Tee Martin?!? Tee Martin?!? Tee Martin won the National Championship the year after Manning left???

Raiders Army · 09-27-2005, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

And now that he's got a defense, he can't seem to move the ball at all

To be fair, that's probably more Tony Dungy than Manning...but hell, what do I know? I sit on a couch every Sunday.

rexallllsc · 09-27-2005, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

There was an interesting discussion on Cowherd this morning about who the fourth best QB in the league is--taking the given that Manning, Brady and McNabb are the top three and there is a drop off between those three and anyone else.

That might just be another poll question.

Donovan McNabb is the third best QB?!

Desnudo · 09-27-2005, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

IMO, Brady is a much better leader.

Leadership is why Brady will always be #1 in my book. I just haven't seen Manning getting his team to take it to another level in tough situations.

Raiders Army · 09-27-2005, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

Leadership is why Brady will always be #1 in my book. I just haven't seen Manning getting his team to take it to another level in tough situations.

IMHO, there's no passion when he plays. He's like a machine. Watching the Thursday Night game with the Pats/Raiders, in the pre-game Brady is slapping guys and firing them up. I just don't see Manning doing that.

jeff061 · 09-27-2005, 01:05 PM

I find the idea that Manning would win 3 or 4 titles in New England to be totally laughable. Was it his defense's fault the last two times he lost to NE in the playoffs or was it the 3 int's and 6 points?

Not to mention Brady's RB and WRs couldn't touch what Manning had, til maybe last year, even then they are still behind..

rkmsuf · 09-27-2005, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

IMHO, there's no passion when he plays. He's like a machine. Watching the Thursday Night game with the Pats/Raiders, in the pre-game Brady is slapping guys and firing them up. I just don't see Manning doing that.

Maybe it's the mix of guys too for the Colts. By all accounts they are an "everyone in separate cabs" offense. At least the skill guys. I remember one of the Colts making that exact quote either last year or the year before. Harrison has always been kind of a loner too.

I just don't see Manning, as talented as he is, as the glue that Brady seems to be. Maybe that's unfair but that's the vibe I get out of Indy.

flere-imsaho · 09-27-2005, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

Manning has carried the team to whatever success they have enjoyed with little to no help from his defense before this season.

Crucially, though, Manning & his offense have been repeatedly shut down by New England in big games. The last two years, especially, it was Manning's inability to execute in a big game vs. New England that led to the loss.

You can't really say the same for Brady. When the big game is on the line, he wins the game (or puts the team in Vinatieri's field goal range).

jeff061 · 09-27-2005, 01:09 PM

Exhibit A: Manning against the Patriots in the playoffs last year
Exhibit B: Brady against the Steelers in the playoffs last year

wade moore · 09-27-2005, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Maybe it's the mix of guys too for the Colts. By all accounts they are an "everyone in separate cabs" offense. At least the skill guys. I remember one of the Colts making that exact quote either last year or the year before. Harrison has always been kind of a loner too.

I just don't see Manning, as talented as he is, as the glue that Brady seems to be. Maybe that's unfair but that's the vibe I get out of Indy.

If you can point to how Manning's OVERALL performance has been the detriment to that team, please do...

Yes, he has struggled against the Pats.. My opinion? Belicheck and crew have found some weaknesses that no one else has... does that mean Manning is not as good as Brady? imo No. If Brady played AGAINST the Pats, he would struggle desperately also. To say Manning can't lead when he led his team to outstanding feats in his career (particularly last year) that's just insane... we say he can't "win the big games" even though he blows out teams in the playoffs except the Pats...

This is not about Manning can't perform, or Manning lacks leadership, or Manning can't get up for the big games...

The Pats own him.. pure and simple... I'm a huge Manning fan and I can admit that... however, like I said, put Brady up against the Pats and lets see how he does...

Huckleberry · 09-27-2005, 01:13 PM

Cowboys fan here. Anyone saying that Troy Aikman was a better quarterback than Dan Marino is a moron.

Same thing applies here.

rkmsuf · 09-27-2005, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

Exhibit A: Manning against the Patriots in the playoffs last year
Exhibit B: Brady against the Steelers in the playoffs last year

Exhibit C: His brother is dating shorty.

jeff061 · 09-27-2005, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Huckleberry

Cowboys fan here. Anyone saying that Troy Aikman was a better quarterback than Dan Marino is a moron.

Same thing applies here.

Not really, Dallas was a pre-cap freakish monster running pretty much an all-star team and one of the best o-line/RB combos ever.

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rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	Brady __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

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vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	same arguement 20 years ago, Montana or Marino. __________________

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jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	I find the idea that Manning would win 3 or 4 titles in New England to be totally laughable. Was it his defense's fault the last two times he lost to NE in the playoffs or was it the 3 int's and 6 points? Not to mention Brady's RB and WRs couldn't touch what Manning had, til maybe last year, even then they are still behind.. __________________ Last edited by jeff061 : 09-27-2005 at 01:06 PM.

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panerd Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: St. Louis	Manning. It's not Manning's fault his defense has sucked until this year.

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vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Akili Smith.

09-27-2005, 12:07 PM	#5
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Where's the trout option?

09-27-2005, 12:07 PM	#6
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I really don't get why ANYBODY would pick Manning over Brady.

09-27-2005, 12:07 PM	#7
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Trout can't throw footballs.

09-27-2005, 12:11 PM	#14
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Also, who's your coach? If my coach were Belichick, I'd pick Brady for sure. A lot of it is the system as well.

09-27-2005, 12:17 PM	#18
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	There was an interesting discussion on Cowherd this morning about who the fourth best QB in the league is--taking the given that Manning, Brady and McNabb are the top three and there is a drop off between those three and anyone else. That might just be another poll question.

09-27-2005, 12:29 PM	#27
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Throwing the ball: Manning edges Brady Running the ball: Brady edges Manning Football smarts: draw Intangibles: Brady edges Manning I'd go with Brady. Intangibles win it.

09-27-2005, 12:30 PM	#28
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Dola, also the proof is in the rings.

09-27-2005, 12:38 PM	#36
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I'm reluctant to make the 'clutch' argument since in the NFL pretty much every game is a big game - but there's no denying Manning has a pretty long history of spotty performances in big games, going back to college.

09-27-2005, 01:09 PM	#46
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Exhibit A: Manning against the Patriots in the playoffs last year Exhibit B: Brady against the Steelers in the playoffs last year __________________

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Huckleberry College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001	Cowboys fan here. Anyone saying that Troy Aikman was a better quarterback than Dan Marino is a moron. Same thing applies here. __________________ The one thing all your failed relationships have in common is you. The Barking Carnival (Longhorn-centered sports blog) College Football Adjusted Stats and Ratings

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