NFL Week 8

Solecismic · 10-24-2013, 04:04 PM

Apparently, a local radio station in Tampa has bought some "Fire Schiano" time on a highway billboard. Sounds like a bad situation getting worse.

Anyone remember back a few years when Schiano turned Michigan down, leading very quickly to the desperation hire of Rich Rodriguez? I used to think Schiano would have been a better option. Now I'm not so sure. Well, I am sure. He would have been a better option. But not by much.

Honolulu_Blue · 10-24-2013, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

Anyone remember back a few years when Schiano turned Michigan down, leading very quickly to the desperation hire of Rich Rodriguez? I used to think Schiano would have been a better option. Now I'm not so sure. Well, I am sure. He would have been a better option. But not by much.

I remember this very well. Ever since he rejected Michigan, I wished nothing but ill will on his person. As a result, I've enjoyed watching flame out.

Logan · 10-24-2013, 04:25 PM

He's a program builder, not a high level winning coach. I don't think Kyle Flood is the answer for Rutgers heading into the B1G, but I know, seeing how he coached over his last couple years here, that Schiano would not have been successful in that league.

Outside of the story of Schiano personally leaking the Freeman/drugs thing to the media, I've believed every word of what I heard coming out of Tampa, and wasn't surprised by any of it. You can't be a bad coach AND treat millionaire professionals like they're 19 year old kids. Tom Coughlin got away with doing that because he actually was a good coach. Schiano was a micromanager to the fullest extent, and that turned away coaches from wanting to work for him. It's why he needed to bring so many Rutgers coaches with him to Tampa...the pool of coaches that could tolerate him was very small.

He's a great defensive mind but he also knows nothing about offense yet refused to turn that area of the game over to his assistants and not meddle.

Once he's fired, he could probably join Belichick as his DC as they run the same system (a reason so many Rutgers kids are on that team). If a big program school makes a run at him, I'll laugh and laugh.

B & B · 10-24-2013, 04:29 PM

Its quite simple. Some coaches and their coaching techniques do much better in college than pro. Some coaches are the opposite. While football might be football, coaching a 19-22 year old walk on or scholarship player is nothing like coaching a grown man making millions of dollars.

Spurrier comes to mind, good with NCAA, poor at NFL. Schiano is the same. He will be a fine NCAA coach as he can be the hard ass 'my way or the highway' with kids. His shit doesn't fly down in TB, and it wont work anywhere else. The only way you get to operate like that is when you have an established body of work at that level of pro sports. Coughlin and Bellichick can get away with things that say Kubiak would not.

Schiano is no Kubiak. In three years he will be a HC in a mid level NCAA program. Bank it.

B & B · 10-24-2013, 04:31 PM

Find it very odd that Logan and I mentioned the same 3 coaches in our answers, as I was writing before seeing his post.

Glengoyne · 10-24-2013, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by B & B

Its quite simple. Some coaches and their coaching techniques do much better in college than pro.

My favorite example of this was Jerry Tarkanian. He was all world at UNLV, and didn't make it 40 games in the NBA. His assistant coaches however, Ron Adams and Tim Grgurich(sp?) stuck in the NBA. Adams to this day, and Grg..err..Tim, until he retired.

When Tark was coaching at Fresno State, I'd occasionally see better coaches take total advantage of Jerry's kids. I was lamenting that Tark left his brain in the NBA. To give Tark credit, he'd occasionally fire his team up such that they stuck with better coached teams, like Bill Self's teams at Tulsa.

Matthean · 10-24-2013, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

Anyone remember back a few years when Schiano turned Michigan down, leading very quickly to the desperation hire of Rich Rodriguez? I used to think Schiano would have been a better option. Now I'm not so sure. Well, I am sure. He would have been a better option. But not by much.

RR likes to talk about how he almost because 'Bama's coach which led to Saban going there instead. He would have gown down in flames there as well.

I remember people here talking about how Schiano was more of a recruiter than a good game management type of guy. My response was he was being asked to do the one thing he wasn't good at and wasn't allowed to do the one thing he was good at. I'm not surprised he's failing there. I know Rutgers likely has some sort of ceiling in terms of how far the program can go, but he seemed like a guy who needed to build the program more before getting an NFL job. At least with Saban, he had more years in the NFL and a higher position.

Carman Bulldog · 10-24-2013, 08:49 PM

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Wait, I thought miked was just the past tense posts of Mike D.

cuervo72 · 10-24-2013, 10:08 PM

Man, if anyone in the CAR secondary could actually catch...

Julio Riddols · 10-24-2013, 10:32 PM

Glennon needs to learn the art of the checkdown.

Julio Riddols · 10-24-2013, 10:44 PM

Mike James might be an ok back though, from what little I saw of him. He picks up blitzes really well, seems to have decent hands, and runs effectively.

Dutch · 10-25-2013, 12:06 AM

I saw Steve Mariucci tonight and I said, "Hey Coach! The weather sure is nice in Tampa. Think about it." and he was about to say something, then just smiled, shook his head and slapped my back as he walked past.

Radii · 10-25-2013, 12:56 AM

How different would we be viewing the Panthers right now if Williams hadn't fumbled in the red zone at the end of the Seattle game or if Rivera had just gone for a damn 4th and 1 to seal the Buffalo game.

Julio Riddols · 10-25-2013, 01:14 AM

I see them as a legit threat anyway. Their defense is so consistently good and Kuechly might be the best LB in the league.

Dutch · 10-25-2013, 08:09 AM

Well, at least we have fans with a sense of humor. A Schiano Breaking Bad Chem Suit (ref to MRSA drama). And the most damning sign in the endzone that read "Schiano is worse than MRSA"

Thomkal · 10-27-2013, 01:36 PM

Brady might be hurt-his throwing hand is swelling pretty bad. Still in the game though.

BillJasper · 10-27-2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Brady might be hurt-his throwing hand is swelling pretty bad. Still in the game though.

You have to wonder why he's still in there?

Thomkal · 10-27-2013, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

You have to wonder why he's still in there?

Because he's Brady I guess. Also Vick's hamstring acted up again and he's out probably for the rest of the game. Looking good for the Giants to pick up another win with Barkley in as QB.

BillJasper · 10-27-2013, 01:56 PM

I fucking hate being a Miami Dolphins fan!

ColtCrazy · 10-27-2013, 02:01 PM

How do the Pats do it? I swear someone has a deal with the devil for the way teams fall apart playing them.

First we spy on Merkel for Germany, then send Jags to England. Europe must hate us.

cuervo72 · 10-27-2013, 02:04 PM

Dunno, but it's tiresome.

miami_fan · 10-27-2013, 02:36 PM

YOU GOTTA FUCKIN KIDDING ME!

BillJasper · 10-27-2013, 02:37 PM

What a bullshit call.

TroyF · 10-27-2013, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

What a bullshit call.

One of the worst calls I have ever seen in an NFL football game. A defensive lineman battles for the football, dives to the ground and hits the ball and it's a penalty? Holy hell, that is just comical.

"Well, they've had some good breaks today" Phil Simms Ummm, understatement of the history of the planet. What a joke.

Desnudo · 10-27-2013, 02:40 PM

Rules are rules. It's hard to remember a recent call like that...

And he clearly swats it.

TroyF · 10-27-2013, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

Rules are rules. It's hard to remember a recent call like that...

And he clearly swats it.

His arm is going sideways as he's falling to the ground. I don't think it is at all clear. And in that situation, unless someone is doing a holy roller, it should not be called. That was horrible.

miami_fan · 10-27-2013, 02:47 PM

Oh NOW you think he was trying to pull it in?

TroyF · 10-27-2013, 02:48 PM

The Chiefs just recovered a fumble by a Browns punt returner (and good thing, because the Browns would have had the ball at the Chiefs 40 down 3 if they hadn't. First play after the fumble, they call a flea flicker and get sacked.

At least it turned out better than the Theisman one.

In typical Browns fashion, they allow a screen pass to go for 20 to the clearly hobbled Charles and give up a first down. (sorry for the sarcasm, but the guy has the third most carries in the NFL and the second most touches.

They just showed the the replay of the Dolphin. He didn't bat that ball. I stick with what I said. That call was terrible. Just terrible.

BillJasper · 10-27-2013, 02:57 PM

At least the Dolphins went ahead a cleared up the rest of the football season for me. No sense in watching them crash and burn yet again.

BillJasper · 10-27-2013, 03:01 PM

It'll be interesting to see if the Chiefs can hang with some of the high-scoring teams.

BillJasper · 10-27-2013, 03:10 PM

Terrelle Pryor is fast!

RedKingGold · 10-27-2013, 03:10 PM

Pryor 7 yards away from 100 yards rushing . . .with 14 minutes and change to go in the 1st quarter.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 10-27-2013, 03:14 PM

Another week, another win. The trick play by the Browns made it a game, but another great final quarter for the defense as they shut down the Browns when they need to do so. The penalties in the 4th quarter caused by the crowd noise were also crucial.

JonInMiddleGA · 10-27-2013, 03:14 PM

What's the record for a QB rush?

Danny · 10-27-2013, 03:21 PM

Megatron 25 yards from setting single game record

Matthean · 10-27-2013, 03:22 PM

Lions have out gained the Cowboys by 300 yards and are losing.

Or not.

JonInMiddleGA · 10-27-2013, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Lions have out gained the Cowboys by 300 yards and are losing.

Not anymore

BillJasper · 10-27-2013, 03:23 PM

Nice drive by Stafford!

TroyF · 10-27-2013, 03:24 PM

WOW. What a game.

Danny · 10-27-2013, 03:24 PM

Romo chokes away another one

Julio Riddols · 10-27-2013, 03:25 PM

Wow, Calvin.

Matthean · 10-27-2013, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Not anymore

I had to do an edit because I posted and saw the score.

Matthean · 10-27-2013, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Romo chokes away another one

Damn him for not covering Megatron better.

mckerney · 10-27-2013, 03:26 PM

Seemed like it was about time for this thread.

So how about those Lions? And what a play by Pryor!

Julio Riddols · 10-27-2013, 03:26 PM

Wow, Calvin.

Thomkal · 10-27-2013, 03:27 PM

wow what a scoring drive by Detroit and the fake down call by Stafford for the TD. Dez Bryant screaming at Romo and Witten, and Megatron clearly shows who's the better receiver. What a game by him.

Glengoyne · 10-27-2013, 03:27 PM

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Romo chokes away another one

Hehe. You beat me to the punch.
Effing Romo

frnk55 · 10-27-2013, 03:27 PM

I'm so glad I'm not a Cowboy fan. Ouch.

BillJasper · 10-27-2013, 03:27 PM

Time for Romo to earn his money.

BillJasper · 10-27-2013, 03:29 PM

The Cowboys just look stunned.

10-24-2013, 04:29 PM	#4
B & B College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: A sports era long ago when everything didnt require a Nike logo	Its quite simple. Some coaches and their coaching techniques do much better in college than pro. Some coaches are the opposite. While football might be football, coaching a 19-22 year old walk on or scholarship player is nothing like coaching a grown man making millions of dollars. Spurrier comes to mind, good with NCAA, poor at NFL. Schiano is the same. He will be a fine NCAA coach as he can be the hard ass 'my way or the highway' with kids. His shit doesn't fly down in TB, and it wont work anywhere else. The only way you get to operate like that is when you have an established body of work at that level of pro sports. Coughlin and Bellichick can get away with things that say Kubiak would not. Schiano is no Kubiak. In three years he will be a HC in a mid level NCAA program. Bank it. __________________ Nobody cares about Kyle Orton because he's black. -PT

10-24-2013, 04:31 PM	#5
B & B College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: A sports era long ago when everything didnt require a Nike logo	Find it very odd that Logan and I mentioned the same 3 coaches in our answers, as I was writing before seeing his post. __________________ Nobody cares about Kyle Orton because he's black. -PT

10-24-2013, 10:08 PM	#9
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Man, if anyone in the CAR secondary could actually catch... __________________ null

10-24-2013, 10:32 PM	#10
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	Glennon needs to learn the art of the checkdown. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

10-24-2013, 10:44 PM	#11
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	Mike James might be an ok back though, from what little I saw of him. He picks up blitzes really well, seems to have decent hands, and runs effectively. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

10-24-2013, 04:25 PM	#3
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	He's a program builder, not a high level winning coach. I don't think Kyle Flood is the answer for Rutgers heading into the B1G, but I know, seeing how he coached over his last couple years here, that Schiano would not have been successful in that league. Outside of the story of Schiano personally leaking the Freeman/drugs thing to the media, I've believed every word of what I heard coming out of Tampa, and wasn't surprised by any of it. You can't be a bad coach AND treat millionaire professionals like they're 19 year old kids. Tom Coughlin got away with doing that because he actually was a good coach. Schiano was a micromanager to the fullest extent, and that turned away coaches from wanting to work for him. It's why he needed to bring so many Rutgers coaches with him to Tampa...the pool of coaches that could tolerate him was very small. He's a great defensive mind but he also knows nothing about offense yet refused to turn that area of the game over to his assistants and not meddle. Once he's fired, he could probably join Belichick as his DC as they run the same system (a reason so many Rutgers kids are on that team). If a big program school makes a run at him, I'll laugh and laugh.

10-25-2013, 12:06 AM	#12
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	I saw Steve Mariucci tonight and I said, "Hey Coach! The weather sure is nice in Tampa. Think about it." and he was about to say something, then just smiled, shook his head and slapped my back as he walked past.

10-25-2013, 12:56 AM	#13
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	How different would we be viewing the Panthers right now if Williams hadn't fumbled in the red zone at the end of the Seattle game or if Rivera had just gone for a damn 4th and 1 to seal the Buffalo game.

10-25-2013, 01:14 AM	#14
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	I see them as a legit threat anyway. Their defense is so consistently good and Kuechly might be the best LB in the league. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

10-25-2013, 08:09 AM	#15
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	Well, at least we have fans with a sense of humor. A Schiano Breaking Bad Chem Suit (ref to MRSA drama). And the most damning sign in the endzone that read "Schiano is worse than MRSA"

10-27-2013, 01:36 PM	#16
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Brady might be hurt-his throwing hand is swelling pretty bad. Still in the game though.

10-27-2013, 01:56 PM	#19
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	I fucking hate being a Miami Dolphins fan! __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

10-27-2013, 02:01 PM	#20
ColtCrazy College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Midwest	How do the Pats do it? I swear someone has a deal with the devil for the way teams fall apart playing them. First we spy on Merkel for Germany, then send Jags to England. Europe must hate us. __________________ The Field Generals and Statis Pro Basketball Super League

10-27-2013, 02:04 PM	#21
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Dunno, but it's tiresome. __________________ null

10-27-2013, 02:36 PM	#22
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	YOU GOTTA FUCKIN KIDDING ME! __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

10-27-2013, 02:37 PM	#23
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	What a bullshit call. __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

10-27-2013, 02:40 PM	#25
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Rules are rules. It's hard to remember a recent call like that... And he clearly swats it. Last edited by Desnudo : 10-27-2013 at 02:40 PM.

10-27-2013, 02:47 PM	#27
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Oh NOW you think he was trying to pull it in? __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

10-27-2013, 02:48 PM	#28
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	The Chiefs just recovered a fumble by a Browns punt returner (and good thing, because the Browns would have had the ball at the Chiefs 40 down 3 if they hadn't. First play after the fumble, they call a flea flicker and get sacked. At least it turned out better than the Theisman one. In typical Browns fashion, they allow a screen pass to go for 20 to the clearly hobbled Charles and give up a first down. (sorry for the sarcasm, but the guy has the third most carries in the NFL and the second most touches. They just showed the the replay of the Dolphin. He didn't bat that ball. I stick with what I said. That call was terrible. Just terrible.

10-27-2013, 02:57 PM	#29
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	At least the Dolphins went ahead a cleared up the rest of the football season for me. No sense in watching them crash and burn yet again. __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

10-27-2013, 03:01 PM	#30
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	It'll be interesting to see if the Chiefs can hang with some of the high-scoring teams. __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

10-27-2013, 03:10 PM	#31
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	Terrelle Pryor is fast! __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

10-27-2013, 03:10 PM	#32
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Pryor 7 yards away from 100 yards rushing . . .with 14 minutes and change to go in the 1st quarter.

10-27-2013, 03:14 PM	#33
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Another week, another win. The trick play by the Browns made it a game, but another great final quarter for the defense as they shut down the Browns when they need to do so. The penalties in the 4th quarter caused by the crowd noise were also crucial.

10-27-2013, 03:14 PM	#34
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	What's the record for a QB rush? __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

10-27-2013, 03:21 PM	#35
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Megatron 25 yards from setting single game record

10-27-2013, 03:22 PM	#36
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	Lions have out gained the Cowboys by 300 yards and are losing. Or not. __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table. Last edited by Matthean : 10-27-2013 at 03:22 PM.

10-27-2013, 03:23 PM	#38
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	Nice drive by Stafford! __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

10-27-2013, 03:24 PM	#39
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	WOW. What a game.

10-27-2013, 03:25 PM	#41
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	Wow, Calvin. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

10-27-2013, 03:26 PM	#44
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	NFL Week 8 Seemed like it was about time for this thread. So how about those Lions? And what a play by Pryor!

10-27-2013, 03:27 PM	#46
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	wow what a scoring drive by Detroit and the fake down call by Stafford for the TD. Dez Bryant screaming at Romo and Witten, and Megatron clearly shows who's the better receiver. What a game by him.

10-27-2013, 03:27 PM	#48
frnk55 High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2006	I'm so glad I'm not a Cowboy fan. Ouch.

10-27-2013, 03:27 PM	#49
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	Time for Romo to earn his money. __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

10-27-2013, 03:29 PM	#50
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	The Cowboys just look stunned. __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.