FOFC Favorite Rock Act - Round 1 Group B

[BYU 14]

Group B matchups feature a couple of intriguing matchups in Collins/Mellencamp and Steely Dan/Joe Walsh as well as the debut of the #1 seeded Beatles.

Most votes one act	Most votes both acts	Fewest votes winner	Most votes loser
68 - Guns n' Roses - rd 1	74 - Chuck Berry vs J Geils Band - rd 1	23 - Jeff Buckley - Play in	33 - Eric Burdon & The Animals - rd 1
66 - Neil Young - rd 1	74 - Neil Young vs Artci Monkeys - rd 1	23 - Counting Crows - Play in	28 - Alan Parson Project - rd 1
62 - Rush - rd 1	73 - Rush vs Golden Earring - rd 1	24 - Sammy Hagar - Play in	26 - Pantera - rd 1
Largest margin of victory	Smallest margin of victory	Biggest upset	Largest Shutout
64 - Guns n' Roses vs Slipknot - rd 1	3 - Counting Crows vs Badfinger - Play in	185/96 - No Doubt over Eric Burdon - rd 1	N/A
58 - Neil Young vs Artic Monkeys - rd 1	5 - No Doubt - rd 1	264/249 - Neil young & CH over Mountain - PI
51 - Rush vs Golden Earring - rd 1	6 - Jeff Buckly - Play in	263/250 - Sonic Youth over Donovan - Play in

[Easy Mac]

Easy one for me, although I am sad to see Neil Young/Crazy Horse go. John Lennon alone is so overrated. His only good solo song was How Do You Sleep?

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Easy one for me, although I am sad to see Neil Young/Crazy Horse go. John Lennon alone is so overrated. His only good solo song was How Do You Sleep?

Solo Lennon is pretty solid. You may not like the more "mainstream radio" hits Imagine or Instant Karma but what about Woman, Watching the Wheels, Nobody Told Me, Just like Starting Over? Him and McCartney's solo careers could be top 50 all time without any Beatles songs.

Look forward to a potential Foreigner/Beatles match up.

[vex]

I'm gonna need someone to make a 90s-current poll so that I know what's going on other than remembering one song a band from the 70s did.

[Butter]

The Smiths v. The Pretenders eh. That's tough.

[Butter]

Phil Collins? Jesus.

[NobodyHere]

I would honestly take him over solo John Lennon

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by vex

I'm gonna need someone to make a 90s-current poll so that I know what's going on other than remembering one song a band from the 70s did.

LOL, this is a chance for discovery!

[vex]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

LOL, this is a chance for discovery!

That is true. Definitely did some research prior to voting.

[thesloppy]

I see I've have reached the first "who the fuck?" moment: The Arcana

For whatever it's worth, the internet seems to agree that these folks are obscure, at best. How did they make this list (and at 100 spots above Neil Young)?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Pity that #233 wasn't the more talented John Waite.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

LOL, this is a chance for discovery!

We shall remind you of this when folks from the 00s and 10s come up .

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Pity that #233 wasn't the more talented John Waite.

I'm now tickling myself imaging an entirely Jon controlled version of this contest. "Y & T over Manowar, come on?!?!"

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

I'm now tickling myself imaging an entirely Jon controlled version of this contest. "Y & T over Manowar, come on?!?!"

Nah, that one's easy.

Y&T.
(Who still kick it rather well in the current decade)

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

We shall remind you of this when folks from the 00s and 10s come up .

Haha, I'll just play the old guy "Back in my day" card

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Nah, that one's easy.

Y&T.
(Who still kick it rather well in the current decade)

Speaking of, a big surprise and disappointment for me was that Y&T did not make this list...

[Kodos]

I like a handful of Y&T songs, that would certainly give them the nod over many groups in this contest. Especially in Summertime.

[britrock88]

Really tough draw for the Zombies here.

[CrimsonFox]

I <3 the zombies...

totally original lead singer and love the harmony blend

THE ZOMBIES - 1965 - "She's Not There" - YouTube

love rockers with hipster nerdspecs too!

also

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Butter

The Smiths v. The Pretenders eh. That's tough.

yeah...both are...really great.

but in the same way kinda. Love How Soon is now

[CrimsonFox]

Also liked Uriah Heep... nice heavy prog

And superfantasy!

[Buccaneer]

That was my vote for Neil Young. There are probably 1-2 Beatles songs that I really like, which is less than the number of songs I like on just the Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere album.

[CrimsonFox]

so is this different than John Cougar? hahaha

[ISiddiqui]

Sooo... I have literally no idea who Y&T are...

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[vex]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Sooo... I have literally no idea who Y&T are...

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

Same. Never once heard/saw Y&T before this thread.

[thesloppy]

You really have to be 'of a certain age' to know who Y&T are. They got some radio & MTV play for a couple years, and then were purged from public memory entirely. They're no Nitro.

[JonInMiddleGA]

And you wonder why I hold the U.S. education system in such low regard?

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by vex

Same. Never once heard/saw Y&T before this thread.

Yikes

[JonInMiddleGA]

While it was In Rock We Trust in '84 that broke them through, I still hold '83 album Mean Streak as their best work. I get the arguments that '82 was their best, with Black Tiger but I just don't think they'd quite hit their stride as well there.

Recent years have not been kind, only original member still alive is front man Dave Meniketti. Cancer taking bassist Phil Kennemore in 2011 was rough, then both drummer Leonard Haze and guitarist Joey Alves have gone in the past year or so.

[vex]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

Yikes

I like it, thanks.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

I see I've have reached the first "who the fuck?" moment: The Arcana

For whatever it's worth, the internet seems to agree that these folks are obscure, at best. How did they make this list (and at 100 spots above Neil Young)?

This was my major takeaway from this round of the voting process. The one song that appears on Youtube (Ghostwriter) I actually like, but wikipedia has never heard of them, their website is garbage, and they've only ever released a single album. I am with thesloppy - how the hell are they even on the list, let alone ranked #152?

As for the rest of the group, I had a tough choice with The Pretenders and The Smiths, and am one of the rare few who isn't all that impressed with Lennon's solo work. Don't get me wrong - it is great - but especially as a keyboard player in a 60's band, I love me some Rod Argent. Nailing the organ solos in Time of the Season in a live show is still one of my proudest moments ever.

[Easy Mac]

That might be the wrong Arcana. It may be for the Swedish band

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

That might be the wrong Arcana. It may be for the Swedish band

This is probably more likely, though they go by 'Arcana' and not 'The Arcana'.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Dola - count me among those who are sad that Y&T is not in the running.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

Yikes

Soooo... just another hair band in the tradition of Motley Crue, etc?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Soooo... just another hair band in the tradition of Motley Crue, etc?

Actually much more rooted in the hard rock rather than hair tradition really.

The hit album in '84 was really the one place where they veered away from that ("Summertime Girls" is a good example of that). But songs like "Black Tiger" or "Mean Streak" from previous albums are better examples of where their sound was rooted. A sound that returned in 2010 with their last (so far) album.

Although in a different way musically, they'd fit into a category of "hard rock bands that happened to have success in hair band/hair metal era" like Great White.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Another thing that likely plays into how they're viewed today (by fans that have known their work for decades) is that Dave Meniketti seems to be one of the more all-around solid good guys from the era. I'm not sure off-hand if I've ever seen/heard a cross word said about him, there's generally a good vibe of respect for him.

For some that influence may be subconscious but for others of us I believe it's a conscious added plus in their column.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Another thing that likely plays into how they're viewed today (by fans that have known their work for decades) is that Dave Meniketti seems to be one of the more all-around solid good guys from the era. I'm not sure off-hand if I've ever seen/heard a cross word said about him, there's generally a good vibe of respect for him.

For some that influence may be subconscious but for others of us I believe it's a conscious added plus in their column.

My dad opened for them a few times, and he says the only group that he enjoyed playing with more was Huey Lewis.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Actually much more rooted in the hard rock rather than hair tradition really.

The hit album in '84 was really the one place where they veered away from that ("Summertime Girls" is a good example of that). But songs like "Black Tiger" or "Mean Streak" from previous albums are better examples of where their sound was rooted. A sound that returned in 2010 with their last (so far) album.

Although in a different way musically, they'd fit into a category of "hard rock bands that happened to have success in hair band/hair metal era" like Great White.

This is definitely spot on and like Jon says in the follow up post, genuinely good guys who mostly detached from the decadence that defined most bands of the 80's. The Great White comparison is pretty accurate and I would throw a group like the Scorpions in that mix too.

[ISiddiqui]

Sooo... the amusing thing about that is that I have clue who The Great White are either.

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Soooo... just another hair band in the tradition of Motley Crue, etc?

Reminds me more of early Def Leppard tbh. Not got the edge of Crue. Not bad at all, but a bit AOR/MOR

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Sooo... the amusing thing about that is that I have clue who The Great White are either.

We will learn much from each other during this tournament my friend. But seriously, you have never heard their version of Ian hunter's 'Once bitten, twice shy'?

or

[ISiddiqui]

But seriously, you have never heard their version of Ian hunter's 'Once bitten, twice shy'?

Oh, I do recall the chorus - but probably commercials or background music or something (I mean classic rock and hair bands the are new musak these days). You may hate me for this, but they sound like a cousin to Whitesnake (or a slightly 'harder' Bon Jovi).

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Oh, I do recall the chorus - but probably commercials or background music or something (I mean classic rock and hair bands the are new musak these days). You may hate me for this, but they sound like a cousin to Whitesnake (or a slightly 'harder' Bon Jovi).

You do hear a lot of classic rock in commercials now, which I guess is an attempt to pull the aging fanbase back to memories of younger years and make them want to buy the cars the music goes with.

They are kind of like a raw Bon Jovi I guess, though I never did like Whitesnake much. Outside of seeing Tawny Kitaen slither across David Coverdale's cars.

[AlexB]

Check out the Quireboys (if googling might want to make sure the spelling is correct!) if you like Great White.

When I was young went to a gig with Skid Row opening, Great White second, and Motley Crue headlining. Went nuts for Skid Row, but drank too much Bacardi and ended up not well for Great White and missed them completely. Recovered in time for Crue and had a great time.

In retrospect it probably worked out perfectly

[thesloppy]

Man, I thought the Y&T reference would be at least slightly obscure, and now it's pretty much just a Y&T thread. I always thought they sounded like Van Hagar before Van Hagar existed.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Oh, I do recall the chorus - but probably commercials or background music or something (I mean classic rock and hair bands the are new musak these days). You may hate me for this, but they sound like a cousin to Whitesnake (or a slightly 'harder' Bon Jovi).

Eh, the Whitesnake reference isn't terrible really. Both Jack Russell and David Coverdale had vocal influences from the 60s and 70s and those show up in their work.

The Bon Jovi reference however, no. Just ... no.

[ISiddiqui]

You're right. Bon Jovi is far better....

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

Man, I thought the Y&T reference would be at least slightly obscure, and now it's pretty much just a Y&T thread. I always thought they sounded like Van Hagar before Van Hagar existed.

Of the 16 bands in this round, I'd take Y&T easily over all but 3-4.
And at least two of those would be narrow run things at best.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by AlexB

Check out the Quireboys

I love the Quireboys AKA London Quireboys, Spike has a unique voice in the vein of Rod Stewart, in fact you might think 7 O'clock was a Rod Stewart song if you heard it on the radio. Another of their songs I really like is 'I don't love you anymore'

They didn't make the tournament either though...