Mass shooting in Las Vegas

[JonInMiddleGA]

This is some crazy shit

And I'm not being flippant, I don't really know how else to describe it.

Sounds from video like at least a couple hundred rounds, full auto, heavy caliber. Unconfirmed report shooter was inside Mandalay Bay, possible from the 32nd floor.

Firing in the general direction (?) of a Jason Aldean concert that was underway outside.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Initial reports say 2 dead, up to 24 wounded, a dozen or so of those critically.

One shooter is "down" per LVPD,no other shooter believed involved at this point.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Speculation for the past hour or more has now been confirmed

Las Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay casino - ABC News

[Ben E Lou]

Multiple off-duty police officers dead.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Sounds from video like at least a couple hundred rounds, full auto, heavy caliber.

Wow. Just watched a vid of this. Any chance that wasn’t a military-grade weapon? (I guess it’s possible it was a modified semi, but wow.)

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Unconfirmed report shooter was inside Mandalay Bay, possible from the 32nd floor.

CBS News is now reporting that the gunman was shot and killed in a room on the 32nd floor and it appears that he opened fire from the window there.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

CBS News is now reporting that the gunman was shot and killed in a room on the 32nd floor and it appears that he opened fire from the window there.

Yeah.

It's interesting, in hindsight I guess. The first shaky concertgoer video I saw, as the filmer goes to the ground, she pans up the hotel. There's nothing said, nothing seen, but it wasn't like that's what was being filmed otherwise. I mentioned at the time how people often instinctively turn toward the direction of the shots, I guess that really was what happened in that clip.

[Ben E Lou]

Per latest reports the gunman is a 64-year-old male who lived in a retirement community and had no criminal record.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

and had no criminal record.

Or at least not in NV

[Ben E Lou]

If the reports of how this went down are even remotely accurate, it seems almost inevitable that the death toll is going to increase from 20.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

If the reports of how this went down are even remotely accurate, it seems almost inevitable that the death toll is going to increase from 20.

Just saw the attendance figure: an estimated 40,000 on hand for the festival/concert

As I told someone earlier -- who was now fretting about her husband having a business trip to LV soon -- what we have to simultaneously realize AND be in a bit of denial about is that this sort of thing could happen anywhere.

I'm a few miles from a crowd of 100k+ a half dozen times a year. I don't have to go anywhere to be close to a very attractive target. That's a hard reality, but it's reality.

[CrescentMoonie]

Had three of my best friends from high school in the crowd last night. Thankfully they're okay.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Just saw 50 dead, 200+ injured now.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Just saw 50 dead, 200+ injured now.

And the way the Sheriff said it, he seems confident that it's higher than even that.

Sheriff Lombardo: "We're looking at an excess of 50 individuals dead and over 200 individuals injured." https://t.co/oSjaEv6V92 pic.twitter.com/G8Vw2zpiM6

— Fox News (@FoxNews) October 2, 2017

[CrescentMoonie]

I'll be surprised if those numbers don't jump significantly.

[corbes]

[digamma]

Well this is shitty news to see on a Monday morning. Damn.

[Ksyrup]

We have friends who were there celebrating their son's 21st birthday (my daughter's teammate's family). She thinks they left yesterday afternoon though.

I'm supposed to be going to Vegas in 3 weeks for a conference.

[Ksyrup]

Actually just got a text from the mom. They were on the runway leaving when it happened, they made the plane come back and everyone de-plane before leaving again. They just landed at home.

[JonInMiddleGA]

And, having now realized today's date ... a bit of an extra mindfuck to realize that I was in Vegas 24 yrs ago today, getting married.

[PilotMan]

The new reality of life in the US. I was in Vegas last week, I'll be there next week and the week after. Accept that you never know when your last day will be (or that of your family), and that to be free means that we can't let senseless acts of violence deter us from being acting on those freedoms. Doesn't mean it's still not scary as hell. The survivors are going to be dealing with mental trauma that is going to last for years. The whole thing is awful.

[Easy Mac]

Is it sad my first thoughts upon seeing the news were:
I hope it's not black on white/white on black
How will Infowars say it's fake
How will Trump dick this up
This will somehow cause looser gun control laws

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Is it sad my first thoughts upon seeing the news were:
I hope it's not black on white/white on black

Yeah I read the article for this as well especially when I saw it was a country music concert. I shouldn't say thank god it's just a nutcase white guy but thank god it's just a nutcase white guy. It's crazy though it was Islamic terror we would bomb the middle east, if it was a black guy the country would be on the brink of civil war, since it's a white guy "What can you do? Shrug." I just recorded some show on Showtime about mass shootings last night leaves a pretty bad taste in my mouth to think about watching it anytime soon.

[bob]

I'm amazed there wasn't more of a stampede.

Second thing I'm amazed of is how many people stopped to take cell phone video. No way I'd be doing anything but trying to get out of there and help others.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by panerd

It's crazy though it was Islamic terror we would bomb the middle east, if it was a black guy the country would be on the brink of civil war, since it's a white guy "What can you do? Shrug."

Whichever said he spun from, it's going to be used for points. We all know that.

The actually "thank God" case MIGHT be if he was "just" crazy as a bedbug.

[mauchow]

Fuck that.. A human being just decided to end the lives of people who won't go home tonight to their family and loved ones. 50+ people. Dead, because he sucked at life and decided to end others before knowing his would end. I hate this world sometimes....

[JonInMiddleGA]

I said my piece on this topic on my own social media earlier

A bit "stream of consciousness" here, but it's what I got on my mind so ... As police put it earlier "right now we have no idea what the shooter's belief system was".
He could be virtually anywhere on the political spectrum so -- and if you don't believe that, you're kidding yourself -- so no matter where he lands, I'd advise against getting too caught up in that even if it suits your own viewpoint.
It could every bit & just as easily have been the reverse.
And that's the truth whether you're left, right, or Pluto.

That having been said, I'm also a realist about how poorly heeded that advice will be.

We don't even know who this guy was yet I've already seen attacks & assumptions on both ends of the spectrum about the why/what of his actions.
And I don't mean on the broad social media at large, I mean in the confines of my own tiny social media world.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Truth.

If he got the gun(s) legally, it'll be spun as a reason why we need tougher laws.
If he got the gun(s) illegally, it'll be spun as a reason why tougher laws don't stop shooters.
If his politics are left wing, it'll be spun as a godless liberal killing good God-fearin' conservative American country music fans.
If his politics are right wing, it'll be spun as the right's chickens coming home to roost on guns.

Let's not pretend that many of both sides of the political spectrum aren't chomping at the bit in hopes that something about the facts to come out fits their agenda.

Or all of these regardless of the facts on the case.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by mauchow

Fuck that.. A human being just decided to end the lives of people who won't go home tonight to their family and loved ones. 50+ people. Dead, because he sucked at life and decided to end others before knowing his would end. I hate this world sometimes....

Yep. If you're that bad off that you want to kill innocent people, do everyone a favor and turn the gun on yourself before you hurt anyone else.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Per latest reports the gunman is a 64-year-old male who lived in a retirement community and had no criminal record.

Fox article says he was "known to local authorities." Sounds like a guy who may never have gotten arrested but was involved in a few minor flare-ups or something.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Fox article says he was "known to local authorities." Sounds like a guy who may never have gotten arrested but was involved in a few minor flare-ups or something.

Hmmmm

[CrescentMoonie]

Just read that the wounded total is over 350 now.

[Kodos]

Oh my god.

[CrescentMoonie]

Police said about 406 people were taken to area hospitals after the shooting. Authorities did not immediately specify how many of the people were wounded by gunfire or injured in the chaotic frenzy. When the Las Vegas SWAT team breached his hotel room, they found Paddock dead, police said in a statement.

According to police, more than 22,000 people were at the concert when Paddock began opening fire from his hotel room.

Las Vegas concert shooting kills at least 50, wounds more than 200 - The Washington Post

[Neon_Chaos]

50 dead now. Deadliest mass-shooting in US history.

Prayers and thoughts to those affected.

[Ben E Lou]

This guy apparently had a small arsenal. News reports are now coming out that 10 rifles were found in his room.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Fox article says he was "known to local authorities." Sounds like a guy who may never have gotten arrested but was involved in a few minor flare-ups or something.

CNN was saying the opposite -- that he was not on the authorities' radar at all.

[Edward64]

Pretty sick bastard.

[whomario]

My heart goes out to those directly and indirectly affected by this heinous act of violence, shocking to hear

Originally Posted by cuervo72

CNN was saying the opposite -- that he was not on the authorities' radar at all.

And both likely can be interpreted as "true" i bet. After all, some local police officer(s) might "know" him from being in a bar scuffle a few times or in the drunk tank or whatever. And they are "local authorities", after all the outlet reporting this will say. Doesn't mean he was on the radar of "the local authorities".

That's part of what's wrong with Journalism today, there is no baseline anymore for what is truth and what is "truth" (as in technically true).

[JPhillips]

There was a group of folks from Newburgh at he concert including the daughter of our divisional admin assistant. Luckily, many of them didn't like the last performer and left a little early.

[Qwikshot]

Sadly, I've become numb to these events.

Thoughts and prayers do little to prevent or fix this.

It'll be forgotten when the next shooting occurs.

If a classroom of children being massacred doesn't force conversation, nothing will.

I see gun stocks are up though, business is booming.

[Ben E Lou]

Per multiple sources, ISIS has claimed responsibility and is claiming that the shooter converted to Islam months ago.

[Shkspr]

I'm reasonably shocked they didn't claim Hurricane Irma converted to Islam.

[ISiddiqui]

WTF. I sleepily look at the news after my alarm goes off. The headlines today bolted me awake. Absolutely horrific .

[Easy Mac]

Alex Jones is ranting that its a liberal false flag.

This is a person who has been praised by the current president.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by panerd

It's crazy though it was Islamic terror we would bomb the middle east, if it was a black guy the country would be on the brink of civil war, since it's a white guy "What can you do? Shrug. .

I'm not sure what value this line of thinking even has other than to drive the divide worse.

Specifically this bit:

Originally Posted by panerd

if it was a black guy the country would be on the brink of civil war,

Because a week ago we had a black man shoot up an all white church and all we heard was church members praying for him and his family. But jut go on crafting strawmen and pushing that narrative.

[Schmidty]

Love you all, very, very much.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

I'm not sure what value this line of thinking even has other than to drive the divide worse.

Specifically this bit:



Because a week ago we had a black man shoot up an all white church and all we heard was church members praying for him and his family. But jut go on crafting strawmen and pushing that narrative.

I don't have a narrative. I don't buy into either side of the BLM or "Cops Rule" nonsense. But you are living in another world if you think this story would be the same if it was an ISIS shooter or a black guy who wanted to kill white people. People on here get annoyed with me all the time but I'm sure they can tell you I subscribe to neither "sides" way of thinking.

[ColtCrazy]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

Sadly, I've become numb to these events.

Thoughts and prayers do little to prevent or fix this.

It'll be forgotten when the next shooting occurs.

If a classroom of children being massacred doesn't force conversation, nothing will.

I see gun stocks are up though, business is booming.

Those last two statements show just how fucked up this country can be sometimes. People's first thought after this is that they need more guns because I can't believe it's a lot of first time buyers driving up stocks. After Sandy Hook with people claiming it was fake, I lost hope of change ever being made.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by panerd

I don't have a narrative. I don't buy into either side of the BLM or "Cops Rule" nonsense. But you are living in another world if you think this story would be the same if it was an ISIS shooter or a black guy who wanted to kill white people. People on here get annoyed with me all the time but I'm sure they can tell you I subscribe to neither "sides" way of thinking.

ISIS absolutely.
If the shooter had been a black american without radical islam ties, the story would go away much quicker. And not because I believe there is a media agenda, I just think news people are uncomfortable how to address that elephant without being racially insensitive and it doesnt drive ratings so they tend to ignore it quicker.