Pre-denying transitions : questions

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

I'm just wondering if guys who are good at grappling here could give some information on pre-denying certain transitions of grappling .

I know that there certain positions that you can deny of reactions . Kinetic has a very good video on that for UFC2 . Don't know if the same applies here . I know about momentum transitions and all that . Seems like certain guys just camp on pre-deny to certain positions or am I bugging ???

Guys like Adavita seem to be able to block the fastest of all transitions such as the hip bump or the full guard ( sorry if I'm getting the terms wrong ). How does he do it ?

People need to know these things as there are a lot of under the hood grappling mechanics that we all perform daily but we don't know why or how .

If camping on pre-denial to stop your opponent from getting a transition is possible , it should be defined so we know .

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Thanks .




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[VitoBurrito]

Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

I don’t have informed opinions but defending the left and right transitions from top mount are the only ones I can’t seem to deny on reaction, aside from all the momentum transitions of course

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

I know you can camp on deny to full guard transition ( I don't understand if this is a reaction or some sort mechanic that beats momentum ) . Doesn't work all the time and the other option to back sitting is slow as hell ...people will deny that with the quickness .



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[VitoBurrito]

Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

If I’m having a hard time getting out of half guard bottom, I may punch 1 or two times fake to full guard, punch again, fake again then quickly try to complete the fullguard trans all while being ready to deny up, left or right. of course some are insanely good at denying everything, I just try to mix up the order I do things, sometimes I may transition immediately, sometimes punch then transition, sometimes fake then punch then transition and on and on and on, backsitting usually never works unless you got a stamina advantage, you can usually bite on the full guard fake and still have time to deny the back sitting/backside attempt from half guard

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

Denying the transitions from DOM HALF GUARD is takes crazy skill guys like Martial mind and adavita seem to pull it off easily .

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[1212headkick]

Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

Dont punch too much watch opponents patterns is crucial for predenys. Any time you strike its easier for your opponent to transition

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

I'm almost positive that, in addition to very good reflexes, Advaita possesses a monitor with very low lag to play the game on.

[1212headkick]

Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

The biggest thing is remain calm on top or bottom. You want to strike but not too much that it would allow them a transition. Watch their fake patterns like u do their combos. Dont transition too much. Predenys are done by watching your opponent and banking on them to do something

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

The biggest thing is remain calm on top or bottom. You want to strike but not too much that it would allow them a transition. Watch their fake patterns like u do their combos. Dont transition too much. Predenys are done by watching your opponent and banking on them to do something

What positions on the ground can be pre- denied and during what scenarios ?

I would appreciate it if you gave some more insight into this ?

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[raypace1]

Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

What positions on the ground can be pre- denied and during what scenarios ?

I would appreciate it if you gave some more insight into this ?

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It’s not so much predenying on the ground or in the clinch, RT and a direction in these positions are your transitions if the opponent isn’t going that direction.. there is legit predeny for takedown and clinch because you can actually hold up or down... predeny in these positions is just your own reflexes and reading the opponent...


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[rabbitfistssaipailo]

Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

Well I think holding down R2 in certain positions like for instance to guard against a RNC before you see the animation should be an option sort of like a protect your neck and forcing your opponent to set up submissions .

That would leave you open to other attacks tho .

Don't know if that makes sense ?

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[1212headkick]

Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

What positions on the ground can be pre- denied and during what scenarios ?

I would appreciate it if you gave some more insight into this ?

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Any position but the ones that have to be predenied are momentum transitions. Its about watching your opponent

[GrimLeiper]

Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

Any position can be pre-denied. It's best done to deal with the quickness of momentum transitions and also when they have GA advantage.

If they have GA advantage, their transition meter will fill up quick, so can be hard to deny off reaction. Take backside control for example, most people reading this will have noticed that players will block three strikes, then transition. It's because of GA, from the blocked strikes. If you're throwing punches here, pre-denying full guard will deny that transition, despite them having GA.

Same with top mount, postured up. The more you land on their block, the more GA they get. You can throw punches and pre-deny to the left or right - half guard.

This is where fakes can be introduced - to deal with pre denials.

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[GrimLeiper]

Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

Well I think holding down R2 in certain positions like for instance to guard against a RNC before you see the animation should be an option sort of like a protect your neck and forcing your opponent to set up submissions .

That would leave you open to other attacks tho .

Don't know if that makes sense ?

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What you've described there is already within the meta of the grappling on this game. You have options in every position, but committing to one option leaves the other open.

If you're pre-denying the RNC, you're not hip bumping when they're throwing down punches... potentially breaking your block.

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[Papadoc60]

Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

Most of the people you face that deny you all the time aren't predenying. I only predeny from side control and full mount mainly, and I only predeny from side control and mount maybe half the time. Grapple advantage is one of the most important things to consider. If you have maximum grapple advantage, there's no point in predenying because your opponents transitions will be so slow untill the grapple advantage returns to neutral.

Most of the denials are a combination of knowing what transition to expect and anticipating the timing. If you constantly try to predeny and fail, the grapple advantage will swing in favor of your opponent. It's also more camping the denial instead of predenying. I'll wait and have a transition in mind that I want to block, and then when I see movement I'll deny that way immediately. But, when your opponent constantly fakes it gets more complicated.

Advaita has the best denials in the game though. We both have monitors and it's not the same playing against us. I struggle to get a single transition over him half the time, it's his timing and understanding of what people wanna do in each position. Nobody even comes close to denying as often as he does and I've played all the top grapplers.