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  • 1212headkick
    Banned
    • Mar 2018
    • 1823

    #16
    Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

    Originally posted by Papadoc60
    Most of the people you face that deny you all the time aren't predenying. I only predeny from side control and full mount mainly, and I only predeny from side control and mount maybe half the time. Grapple advantage is one of the most important things to consider. If you have maximum grapple advantage, there's no point in predenying because your opponents transitions will be so slow untill the grapple advantage returns to neutral.

    Most of the denials are a combination of knowing what transition to expect and anticipating the timing. If you constantly try to predeny and fail, the grapple advantage will swing in favor of your opponent. It's also more camping the denial instead of predenying. I'll wait and have a transition in mind that I want to block, and then when I see movement I'll deny that way immediately. But, when your opponent constantly fakes it gets more complicated.

    Advaita has the best denials in the game though. We both have monitors and it's not the same playing against us. I struggle to get a single transition over him half the time, it's his timing and understanding of what people wanna do in each position. Nobody even comes close to denying as often as he does and I've played all the top grapplers.
    Advaita nrg.

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    • rabbitfistssaipailo
      MVP
      • Nov 2017
      • 1625

      #17
      Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

      I say it again if these scenarios were described better then Ground and pround would be more lethal ...if one knew when to camp on deny and it was well defined it would give the ground game a bit more debt .

      You have to be a top player or get matched up against some one who doesn't get the ground game to really get a tko off GNP .

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      • ZombieRommel
        EA Game Changer
        • Apr 2016
        • 659

        #18
        Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

        Originally posted by RetractedMonkey
        I'm almost positive that, in addition to very good reflexes, Advaita possesses a monitor with very low lag to play the game on.
        That's not why he gets those denials, though. My current monitor is an ASUS ROG 1440p monitor with 1ms display latency. My previous monitor was 1080p and also had 1ms display latency.

        Advaita just seems to be very good about recognizing animations and reacting accordingly. Just a freak of nature. It helps that he usually plays with guys who have good ground stats. When he has me on bottom, I transition as little as possible. It is actually easier to just be patient and deny his transitions, esp from half guard.

        He doesn't seem to have the same animation recognition ability on the feet however.

        Current monitor:

        https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=operasport-20

        I use it mainly for PC gaming because it has up to 165hz refresh rate and Gsync at 1440p.

        Any 60hz monitor with 1ms display latency will suit UFC3 fine.
        Last edited by ZombieRommel; 12-13-2018, 07:15 AM.
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        • ZombieRommel
          EA Game Changer
          • Apr 2016
          • 659

          #19
          Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

          About pre-denials, no such thing exists on the ground. You can predeny TD and clinch while standing and your stance changes accordingly.

          However, if you give up your back from mount, the dom has momentum to flatten you, and due to the game's questionable netcode, you cannot wait for the animation and then react. Even if your reactions are very fast (mine are), it won't matter, it'll be too late and you'll get flattened.

          So this is the one position where you can legit pre-deny by flicking the R2+Right Stick DOWN denial, and you'll deny the flatten attempt due to the momentum.

          However, in most positions, trying to predeny burns your own stamina and decreases your GA. It just counts as a denial whiff.
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          • Kingslayer04
            MVP
            • Dec 2017
            • 1482

            #20
            Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

            Originally posted by ZombieRommel
            About pre-denials, no such thing exists on the ground. You can predeny TD and clinch while standing and your stance changes accordingly.

            However, if you give up your back from mount, the dom has momentum to flatten you, and due to the game's questionable netcode, you cannot wait for the animation and then react. Even if your reactions are very fast (mine are), it won't matter, it'll be too late and you'll get flattened.

            So this is the one position where you can legit pre-deny by flicking the R2+Right Stick DOWN denial, and you'll deny the flatten attempt due to the momentum.

            However, in most positions, trying to predeny burns your own stamina and decreases your GA. It just counts as a denial whiff.
            I have a question, once you flatten them out can you block the transition to regular mount?

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            • ZombieRommel
              EA Game Changer
              • Apr 2016
              • 659

              #21
              Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

              Originally posted by Kingslayer04
              I have a question, once you flatten them out can you block the transition to regular mount?

              Good question. I don't think so, but the baby punches will hit them out of it.
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              • rabbitfistssaipailo
                MVP
                • Nov 2017
                • 1625

                #22
                Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

                Hmmm interesting ...

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                • VitoBurrito
                  Rookie
                  • Aug 2018
                  • 147

                  #23
                  Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

                  Again it’s all about picking up opponents patterns but here’s some common pre deny/camp on denial scenarios I look for

                  My opponent stands immediately to over under from sub sprawl- pre deny Lt+Rt and up for 2 gate guillotine

                  I have my opponent in a Thai clinch, they transition to single collar, I immediately pre deny down to block the momentum single leg grab

                  Full guard dom I posture up, pre deny down to block momentum feet on hips down get up

                  Half guard posture up,deny up for momentum get up

                  I’m in full guard dom, my opponent transitions to full guard for momentum, pre deny the opposite direction to deny the momentum half guard sweep/get up/ triangle

                  Hope these help you or someone out there
                  Last edited by VitoBurrito; 12-13-2018, 11:08 AM.

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                  • rabbitfistssaipailo
                    MVP
                    • Nov 2017
                    • 1625

                    #24
                    Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

                    But not everyone has the two gate guillotine right ? I only learnt about it this week ...I had never ever knew that existed at all .

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                    • rabbitfistssaipailo
                      MVP
                      • Nov 2017
                      • 1625

                      #25
                      Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

                      The escape transition I hate the most is when when after a knock down and end up in their guard and the feet on hips kick out immediately I can never seem to deny that ...

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                      • GrimLeiper
                        Rookie
                        • Nov 2016
                        • 353

                        #26
                        Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

                        Originally posted by ZombieRommel
                        About pre-denials, no such thing exists on the ground. You can predeny TD and clinch while standing and your stance changes accordingly.

                        However, if you give up your back from mount, the dom has momentum to flatten you, and due to the game's questionable netcode, you cannot wait for the animation and then react. Even if your reactions are very fast (mine are), it won't matter, it'll be too late and you'll get flattened.

                        So this is the one position where you can legit pre-deny by flicking the R2+Right Stick DOWN denial, and you'll deny the flatten attempt due to the momentum.

                        However, in most positions, trying to predeny burns your own stamina and decreases your GA. It just counts as a denial whiff.
                        I was under the impression you can pre-deny most transitions. In fact, I definitely do.

                        However, it's clear you're playing on a monitor that delivers better FR than my TV.

                        Which makes me wonder... am I having to pre-deny when I could be doing it reactionary from the animation if playing on a monitor?

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                        • burningxspirit
                          Rookie
                          • Apr 2017
                          • 224

                          #27
                          Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

                          Originally posted by GrimLeiper
                          I was under the impression you can pre-deny most transitions. In fact, I definitely do.

                          However, it's clear you're playing on a monitor that delivers better FR than my TV.

                          Which makes me wonder... am I having to pre-deny when I could be doing it reactionary from the animation if playing on a monitor?

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                          predenying transitions on the ground , not only does that not work I think, but unnecessary . reaction and prediction is what you need to master to get . the closest thing to predenying that I do is that when Igot someone figured completely and know way u are gonna transition, I'm holding r2 and flicking the second I see you budge (before I get a visual cue of which way you are transitioning)

                          no monitor needed , I outgrapple and go hold for hold with players who have monitors all the time. fancy equipment is cool and all, but working on grappling to the point that its second nature is the what really makes a great grappler.

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                          • rabbitfistssaipailo
                            MVP
                            • Nov 2017
                            • 1625

                            #28
                            Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

                            I know someone who denies every single throw once we are in over under from sprawl to point where I don't even bother anymore .

                            Since I've learnt about the guillotine from sprawl I will definitely work it into my game .

                            It doesn't help that some of the denials in this game don't follow the normal logic of deny towards the side your Opponent is moving toward example - crucifix . I found out last week that you have to deny the opposite direction the fighter trying to escape moves towards which kind of doesn't make sense to me . It should be more uniform .



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                            • rabbitfistssaipailo
                              MVP
                              • Nov 2017
                              • 1625

                              #29
                              Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

                              I think also think that rear naked chokes from back mount flat should be two gates .

                              Which makes me ask ...when a fighter , say Kevin Lee has a level 4 rear naked choke, just what does that mean exactly in terms of viability ?



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                              • Phillyboi207
                                Banned
                                • Apr 2012
                                • 3159

                                #30
                                Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

                                Originally posted by rabbitfistssaipailo
                                I think also think that rear naked chokes from back mount flat should be two gates .

                                Which makes me ask ...when a fighter , say Kevin Lee has a level 4 rear naked choke, just what does that mean exactly in terms of viability ?



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                                I tested this

                                Every 2 levels knocks off one gate. So a level 5 sub will never be higher than 3 gates.

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