Pre-denying transitions : questions

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

Hmmm...what fighters have level subs ? Is Ferguson's d'arce choke level 5 ? Doubt it .

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[Phillyboi207]

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Hmmm...what fighters have level subs ? Is Ferguson's d'arce choke level 5 ? Doubt it .

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Yeah that’s one thing that was overlooked by the Devs. I couldnt find a single level 5 sub. Not even Ronda armbars or Maia RNC

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

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Hmmm...

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[rabbitfistssaipailo]

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I tested this

Every 2 levels knocks off one gate. So a level 5 sub will never be higher than 3 gates.

So a level four sub = 4 gates I guess ?

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[Good Grappler]

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Advaita is an exception to the laws of physics. Like I wanna see a camera on his hands while he plays, and know the details of his monitor/controller setup to know what’s going on. Definitely something going on there.

Being said, anticipation can account for a lot of what average players perceive as pre-denials. You hit a point where you just feel what your opponent is gonna do before they do it.

Examples of anticipatable transitions are:

-Immediately after landing in SC from a tower guard pass, opponent usually immediately transitions to SC

-From BSC, opponent usually transitions to FG immediately after blocking second strike in a row

-immediately after securing crucifix, opponent usually transitions away from you as you throw your first strike

-immediately as you throw a strike from SC, opponent attempts to transition to sprawl (less common nowadays though).

Those things can be anticipated and denied, leaving average players confused like “how did he deny that”.

But again, advaita is an exception. This is KENETIC NRG he did this too. We’re talking completely unpredictable, bizarre traps and rhythm-breaking fake sequences Kenetic was employing. Sudden commitments on the 3rd, 4th or 5th fake and never the same direction twice in a row. And yet advaita was denying this stuff, consistently, like 10% into the meter filling. It was bizarre. I did not know such a thing was possible.


Edit:

Here’s a link to a video of Ben Askren discussing anticipation. It’s really the key to grappling success, in game and in real life. Ben Askren is the king of shutting down escapes and reversals... yet he’s kind of slow. Not super athletic or fast. In this video he discusses how he outwrestles faster, stronger dudes.

https://youtu.be/CsgnGyabJf8

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

Advaita is an exception to the laws of physics. Like I wanna see a camera on his hands while he plays, and know the details of his monitor/controller setup to know what’s going on. Definitely something going on there.

Being said, anticipation can account for a lot of what average players perceive as pre-denials. You hit a point where you just feel what your opponent is gonna do before they do it.

Examples of anticipatable transitions are:

-Immediately after landing in SC from a tower guard pass, opponent usually immediately transitions to SC

-From BSC, opponent usually transitions to FG immediately after blocking second strike in a row

-immediately after securing crucifix, opponent usually transitions away from you as you throw your first strike

-immediately as you throw a strike from SC, opponent attempts to transition to sprawl (less common nowadays though).

Those things can be anticipated and denied, leaving average players confused like “how did he deny that”.

But again, advaita is an exception. This is KENETIC NRG he did this too. We’re talking completely unpredictable, bizarre traps and rhythm-breaking fake sequences Kenetic was employing. Sudden commitments on the 3rd, 4th or 5th fake and never the same direction twice in a row. And yet advaita was denying this stuff, consistently, like 10% into the meter filling. It was bizarre. I did not know such a thing was possible.


Edit:

Here’s a link to a video of Ben Askren discussing anticipation. It’s really the key to grappling success, in game and in real life. Ben Askren is the king of shutting down escapes and reversals... yet he’s kind of slow. Not super athletic or fast. In this video he discusses how he outwrestles faster, stronger dudes.

https://youtu.be/CsgnGyabJf8

Can you offer some insight to your approach on the bottom?

I usually do okay on top but against skilled grapplers I get smashed on bottom.

[Evil97]

Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

Advaita is an exception to the laws of physics. Like I wanna see a camera on his hands while he plays, and know the details of his monitor/controller setup to know what’s going on. Definitely something going on there.

Being said, anticipation can account for a lot of what average players perceive as pre-denials. You hit a point where you just feel what your opponent is gonna do before they do it.

Examples of anticipatable transitions are:

-Immediately after landing in SC from a tower guard pass, opponent usually immediately transitions to SC

-From BSC, opponent usually transitions to FG immediately after blocking second strike in a row

-immediately after securing crucifix, opponent usually transitions away from you as you throw your first strike

-immediately as you throw a strike from SC, opponent attempts to transition to sprawl (less common nowadays though).

Those things can be anticipated and denied, leaving average players confused like “how did he deny that”.

But again, advaita is an exception. This is KENETIC NRG he did this too. We’re talking completely unpredictable, bizarre traps and rhythm-breaking fake sequences Kenetic was employing. Sudden commitments on the 3rd, 4th or 5th fake and never the same direction twice in a row. And yet advaita was denying this stuff, consistently, like 10% into the meter filling. It was bizarre. I did not know such a thing was possible.


Edit:

Here’s a link to a video of Ben Askren discussing anticipation. It’s really the key to grappling success, in game and in real life. Ben Askren is the king of shutting down escapes and reversals... yet he’s kind of slow. Not super athletic or fast. In this video he discusses how he outwrestles faster, stronger dudes.

https://youtu.be/CsgnGyabJf8

If you rewatch the fight, he pulled off some good denials but stuff Kenetic was doing did pass through. You could tell it's all reaction based where Advaita shined on the feet where he won the fight there. The chat and the commentary was so focused on the ground, but Advaita's reaction in the standup was really impressive.

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[Good Grappler]

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Can you offer some insight to your approach on the bottom?

I usually do okay on top but against skilled grapplers I get smashed on bottom.

Just make it all about the basics. Don’t allow yourself to settle by spending too much time on fakes. Go straight to sprawl or BSC, stand up, get an underhook. If they stop that, who cares. Just chill out and deny stuff for a minute then resume. I know it sounds obvious, but it’s honestly the only way to approach bottom position in MMA games.

And don’t worry too much about them passing guard, it’s not like SC is harder to escape than HG. Just prioritize denials that matter, like full mount, Back, crucifix. And simultaneously make everything you do geared towards getting up immediately.

But yeah. Don’t ever accept the position at all, just stand up. Your mindset should be “woops I just ended up on my back, let’s get back up real quick. Ok back to work.” If you’re stuck on your back, you should never to stop and think to yourself like “wow, I’m stuck on my back”. Instead it should be like “ok, that didn’t work, let’s try this next.”

I mean, if you end up losing by getting held down, you shouldn’t even realize it til the final bell rings. Because the entire game you’re fully 100% focused on the next step to standing up, or the next denial to be ready for, etc. If you do lose, hats off to your opponent because they outplayed you. But if you’re mentally prepared (and excited) to play a grindy denial/transition battle for the whole game, you’ll find that 99% of your opposition ISN’T prepared for that type of match. They’ll get discouraged and demoralized at some point.

[Evil97]

Re: Pre-denying transitions : questions

Just make it all about the basics. Don’t allow yourself to settle by spending too much time on fakes. Go straight to sprawl or BSC, stand up, get an underhook. If they stop that, who cares. Just chill out and deny stuff for a minute then resume. I know it sounds obvious, but it’s honestly the only way to approach bottom position in MMA games.

And don’t worry too much about them passing guard, it’s not like SC is harder to escape than HG. Just prioritize denials that matter, like full mount, Back, crucifix. And simultaneously make everything you do geared towards getting up immediately.

But yeah. Don’t ever accept the position at all, just stand up. Your mindset should be “woops I just ended up on my back, let’s get back up real quick. Ok back to work.” If you’re stuck on your back, you should never to stop and think to yourself like “wow, I’m stuck on my back”. Instead it should be like “ok, that didn’t work, let’s try this next.”

I mean, if you end up losing by getting held down, you shouldn’t even realize it til the final bell rings. Because the entire game you’re fully 100% focused on the next step to standing up, or the next denial to be ready for, etc. If you do lose, hats off to your opponent because they outplayed you. But if you’re mentally prepared (and excited) to play a grindy denial/transition battle for the whole game, you’ll find that 99% of your opposition ISN’T prepared for that type of match. They’ll get discouraged and demoralized at some point.

Well said. This advice really holds true since one rock in the moments you are standing will negate everything they did. Conserve yourself on the bottom.

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[FlaccoNumba5]

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Just make it all about the basics. Don’t allow yourself to settle by spending too much time on fakes. Go straight to sprawl or BSC, stand up, get an underhook. If they stop that, who cares. Just chill out and deny stuff for a minute then resume. I know it sounds obvious, but it’s honestly the only way to approach bottom position in MMA games.

And don’t worry too much about them passing guard, it’s not like SC is harder to escape than HG. Just prioritize denials that matter, like full mount, Back, crucifix. And simultaneously make everything you do geared towards getting up immediately.

But yeah. Don’t ever accept the position at all, just stand up. Your mindset should be “woops I just ended up on my back, let’s get back up real quick. Ok back to work.” If you’re stuck on your back, you should never to stop and think to yourself like “wow, I’m stuck on my back”. Instead it should be like “ok, that didn’t work, let’s try this next.”

I mean, if you end up losing by getting held down, you shouldn’t even realize it til the final bell rings. Because the entire game you’re fully 100% focused on the next step to standing up, or the next denial to be ready for, etc. If you do lose, hats off to your opponent because they outplayed you. But if you’re mentally prepared (and excited) to play a grindy denial/transition battle for the whole game, you’ll find that 99% of your opposition ISN’T prepared for that type of match. They’ll get discouraged and demoralized at some point.

Are you on PS4?

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

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Are you on PS4?

Oh you want the sauce sauce ...

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[FlaccoNumba5]

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Oh you want the sauce sauce ...

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Lmao that one came full circle. im cheesed well played 😂

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

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Got emmm ...

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[1212headkick]

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Just make it all about the basics. Don’t allow yourself to settle by spending too much time on fakes. Go straight to sprawl or BSC, stand up, get an underhook. If they stop that, who cares. Just chill out and deny stuff for a minute then resume. I know it sounds obvious, but it’s honestly the only way to approach bottom position in MMA games.

And don’t worry too much about them passing guard, it’s not like SC is harder to escape than HG. Just prioritize denials that matter, like full mount, Back, crucifix. And simultaneously make everything you do geared towards getting up immediately.

But yeah. Don’t ever accept the position at all, just stand up. Your mindset should be “woops I just ended up on my back, let’s get back up real quick. Ok back to work.” If you’re stuck on your back, you should never to stop and think to yourself like “wow, I’m stuck on my back”. Instead it should be like “ok, that didn’t work, let’s try this next.”

I mean, if you end up losing by getting held down, you shouldn’t even realize it til the final bell rings. Because the entire game you’re fully 100% focused on the next step to standing up, or the next denial to be ready for, etc. If you do lose, hats off to your opponent because they outplayed you. But if you’re mentally prepared (and excited) to play a grindy denial/transition battle for the whole game, you’ll find that 99% of your opposition ISN’T prepared for that type of match. They’ll get discouraged and demoralized at some point.

I would like to add that you have to threaten with a little grappling or they wont respect your fakes. The garder you try to get up the more you wont. You should aim to A)control posture b)gain ga c)gain top or getup as both animations are the same. I go to full guard in bsc till i have a reason not to then my focus shifts to back clinch or sc and hg up or sc full guard sweep