Do out of position penalties apply to pitchers?

[tessl]

For example using an RP as a SP or CP etc. I've always thought there was no penalty but now I'm wondering if there might be a reduction is attributes.

Not penalties for defense but for pitching.

[countryboy]

Out of position penalties do not apply to pitchers. SP can be RP or CP and not sustain any drop in their attributes. Same goes for RP/CP to SP.

[tessl]

Out of position penalties do not apply to pitchers. SP can be RP or CP and not sustain any drop in their attributes. Same goes for RP/CP to SP.

Thanks for the reply. That's what I've always thought. Not to challenge you but do you have a source for that?

What made me curious was I acquired a RP Cade Smith whose attributes indicate he should be the best closer in the game and he is a disaster. That made me wonder whether he suffered from being used as a closer.

[countryboy]

Thanks for the reply. That's what I've always thought. Not to challenge you but do you have a source for that?

What made me curious was I acquired a RP Cade Smith whose attributes indicate he should be the best closer in the game and he is a disaster. That made me wonder whether he suffered from being used as a closer.

The devs themselves.

[jcar0725]

Thanks for the reply. That's what I've always thought. Not to challenge you but do you have a source for that?

What made me curious was I acquired a RP Cade Smith whose attributes indicate he should be the best closer in the game and he is a disaster. That made me wonder whether he suffered from being used as a closer.

Keep in mind that the game is designed to have players not always play well, so its not always predictable. Or not play well for a couple months and then suddenly heat up. I've seen this happen quite often.

[tessl]

Keep in mind that the game is designed to have players not always play well, so its not always predictable. Or not play well for a couple months and then suddenly heat up. I've seen this happen quite often.

I'm aware of that.

[Ghost Of The Year]

I wouldnt mind seeing the SP RP and closer designation go away and AI Logic start relying on the Stamina attribute to decides a teams rotation and bullpen.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Also, I dont believe a relief pitcher starting a game or a starter relieving is "out of position."

[tessl]

Also, I dont believe a relief pitcher starting a game or a starter relieving is "out of position."

I agree but there is a position penalty for position players and the game does divide pitchers into 3 categories. Another question is whether a LF gets a penalty for playing CF or RF. IRL there are some pitchers who put up great numbers as setup men but can't make it as closers.

[tessl]

Also, I dont believe a relief pitcher starting a game or a starter relieving is "out of position."

Perhaps but starters and relievers have different routines prior to pitching. The game doesn't replicate that but starting pitchers have a routine for each day after a start leading up to the next start which is different from relief pitchers.

[countryboy]

I agree but there is a position penalty for position players and the game does divide pitchers into 3 categories. Another question is whether a LF gets a penalty for playing CF or RF. IRL there are some pitchers who put up great numbers as setup men but can't make it as closers.

If CF or RF isn't listed as a secondary position on the player card then yes a LF will get the penalty for playing out of position.

[gr18]

I believe it with position players but not pitchers.For example,my first basemen almost never makes an error but if I put a player at first without a secondary position as such he has an error or two a game sometimes dropping a ball thrown to first.

[MiracleMet718]

If CF or RF isn't listed as a secondary position on the player card then yes a LF will get the penalty for playing out of position.

Also there is a secondary position penalty for those positions, mind you it’s pretty small (I think -5 in fielding attributes).

[StonewallTexan]

I wouldnt mind seeing the SP RP and closer designation go away and AI Logic start relying on the Stamina attribute to decides a teams rotation and bullpen.

Already I have seen the AI use good RP as closers sometimes, but yes, the idea of a pitcher being locked into a starter, reliever, or closer for their career was never really true, and completely unrepresentative of today's baseball.

Really, players should not have primary and secondary positions at all, but rather fielding ratings for each position (and probably separate reaction ratings for infield, outfield, and catcher). That would allow both user and AI managers in franchise mode to organically train a player in a new position in the minor leagues if they are blocked at their primary, or move a centerfield or middle infielder to the sides/corners as he loses a step or two.