MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[AC]

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You clearly left out stats, you posted nothing but your garbage opinion that was destroyed by facts. go learn something about baseball then get back to me

Kay, I'm back.


FIP-, ERA-, and DIPS theory:

SP experience really doesn't mean a whole lot aside from false narratives and that ERA has been exactly league average. Which is pretty valuable. Coincidentally, exactly the same as Masterson. They're both league average ERA starters with high, high upside.

Also, you overestimate the amount of control a pitcher has on his WHIP and H/9. Balls in play are prone to huge swings and influenced heavily by random variance (or as the misnomer goes, "luck"). .

Biomechanics, surplus valuations using fWAR

You can't project health. You just have to depend on luck, and hopefully biomechanics can help identify injury risks. And a top 50-60 prospect doesn't really mean a whole lot. 51-75 probably only has $10.2m of surplus value, which Shark is very likely to outproduce this year. He'd only need 1.4 fWAR, which he'll pretty surely acquire barring injury. He's gotten double that in each of the past two years.

K/BB, xFIP-, FBv, SwStr%, O-Swing%, F-Strike%, xFIP, ERA

I don't understand why you're so loathe to take a 2.5 K/BB, 2% above average xFIP starter who can pump it up to 95 regularly and generates swinging strikes at a good rate, especially on stuff outside the zone, and gets the extremely important first pitch strike. He's not a guy like Scherzer, but he's a very, very good pitcher. His starting pitching stats (4.10 ERA, 2.75 K/BB, 3.55 xFIP) are very good and probably the 99th percentile projections for a guy like Anderson.

Am I statsy enough for you yet? lol

[Kipnis22]

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My goodness.. Can he just get banned?

Haven't broken any rules to be banned that no one else has and continues to post here

[Kipnis22]

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Exactly like i said, hot garbage, zero substance.

Kay, I'm back.


FIP-, ERA-, and DIPS theory:


Biomechanics, surplus valuations using fWAR


K/BB, xFIP-, FBv, SwStr%, O-Swing%, F-Strike%, xFIP, ERA


Am I statsy enough for you yet? lol

[Jcrome]

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This needs to stop seriously if this thread gets locked I don't know what I will do

Anyway gonna do a Mets franchise once osfm comes out and I want to trade off Dillon Gee and Montero. What do you guys think there value is about.
I was thinking maybe a veteran SS or an OF with some power. I'm open to anything really though as the mets have a huge surplus of SPs.
What teams would realistically go after either or both of them?

[Cubs1984Nostaglia]

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This needs to stop seriously if this thread gets locked I don't know what I will do

Anyway gonna do a Mets franchise once osfm comes out and I want to trade off Dillon Gee and Montero. What do you guys think there value is about.
I was thinking maybe a veteran SS or an OF with some power. I'm open to anything really though as the mets have a huge surplus of SPs.
What teams would realistically go after either or both of them?

don't worry that dude just got banned. was just looking to fight. the thread will be good


Dillon Gee and/or Montero to the White Sox for Dayan Viciedo could work if Gee is having a sub-4 ERA season.


Maybe Gee and Montero for Viciedo and De Aza?

[AC]

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Alright, that's done. You do you, Kipnis22. You do you.

Dillon Gee and/or Montero to the White Sox for Dayan Viciedo could work if Gee is having a sub-4 ERA season.

Imo, Viciedo is a non-asset. No OBP and not a ton of power with no defense. Just happens to be in a prominent role. He can do better. See below.

This needs to stop seriously if this thread gets locked I don't know what I will do

Anyway gonna do a Mets franchise once osfm comes out and I want to trade off Dillon Gee and Montero. What do you guys think there value is about.
I was thinking maybe a veteran SS or an OF with some power. I'm open to anything really though as the mets have a huge surplus of SPs.
What teams would realistically go after either or both of them?

Montero is Rafael Montero, right? Montero + Gee could definitely get you a nice piece. If you kicked in more, Cespedes is an option. Jayson Werth could be an option. But I think Nick Franklin is your guy if you don't mind the bad defense (in the Show it won't be a huge issue imo).

Montero, Gee and Nimmo/EYJ/minor piece for Franklin + a little something (Montero, maybe?) could work for sure.

[Cubs1984Nostaglia]

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Alright, that's done. You do you, Kipnis22. You do you.



Imo, Viciedo is a non-asset. No OBP and not a ton of power with no defense. Just happens to be in a prominent role. He can do better. See below.
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Yeah you have a point, AC. I was just thinking of some OFs with power.
Maybe he could target Michael Cuddyer? The dude can seriously hit if he is willing to accept poor defense. I`m sure Montero would be a nice offer, but again, his defense his complete crap, so that`s unlikely.


Maybe Dominic Brown? Are you a fan of his? Power OF for a team that needs SP.


You could actually make a run at Cespedes at AC said. I`d imagine he`s not untouchable.


Alex Gordon?


Jose Bautista if the Blue Jays are out of it (you might have add another piece)?


Hope these are a few names to help.

[Jcrome]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Alright, that's done. You do you, Kipnis22. You do you.



Imo, Viciedo is a non-asset. No OBP and not a ton of power with no defense. Just happens to be in a prominent role. He can do better. See below.



Montero is Rafael Montero, right? Montero + Gee could definitely get you a nice piece. If you kicked in more, Cespedes is an option. Jayson Werth could be an option. But I think Nick Franklin is your guy if you don't mind the bad defense (in the Show it won't be a huge issue imo).

Montero, Gee and Nimmo/EYJ/minor piece for Franklin + a little something (Montero, maybe?) could work for sure.

Yeah your right about Montero
Nick Franklin doesn't interest me so much because after a few seasons Ahmed Rosario will be ready for the majors so I'm not looking to spend big on a young SS
Cespedes though really interests me, how much more do u think it would take to get him, something like Gee + Montero + Domingo Tapia + Kevin Plawecki seem fair?

[AC]

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Yeah you have a point, AC. I was just thinking of some OFs with power.

Cuddyer is a REALLY good idea, but I don't know if they'd trade him unless they're way out of it. Also, Gee + Montero probably isn't enough.

Dom Brown was rumored to be headed in a package for Bautista by some delusional Philly writer, so that's the standard they set there.

Gordon is a good 2015 target if Shields jumps ship, but not atm.

Bautista.. yeah, he'll need to add another piece lol. No way we don't deal Bau without Wheeler+ coming back. We were talking Holland + Kinsler/Profar over the past 6 month or so for Bau.

Yeah your right about Montero
Nick Franklin doesn't interest me so much because after a few seasons Ahmed Rosario will be ready for the majors so I'm not looking to spend big on a young SS
Cespedes though really interests me, how much more do u think it would take to get him, something like Gee + Montero + Domingo Tapia + Kevin Plawecki seem fair?

I think that's more quantity over quality. Smith + Montero + Tapia/Plawecki seems pretty solid, if not a bit light. But I don't know how they're rated.

[Jcrome]

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Cuddyer is a REALLY good idea, but I don't know if they'd trade him unless they're way out of it. Also, Gee + Montero probably isn't enough.

Dom Brown was rumored to be headed in a package for Bautista by some delusional Philly writer, so that's the standard they set there.

Gordon is a good 2015 target if Shields jumps ship, but not atm.

Bautista.. yeah, he'll need to add another piece lol. No way we don't deal Bau without Wheeler+ coming back. We were talking Holland + Kinsler/Profar over the past 6 month or so for Bau.



I think that's more quantity over quality. Smith + Montero + Tapia/Plawecki seems pretty solid, if not a bit light. But I don't know how they're rated.

Yeah I guess I'll have to wait for osfm to see all the prospects ratings to figure this trade out more but thanks for the help, really loving the idea of bringing Cespesdes to the mets
Just wondering what you think Gee's individual value is cuz beyond the Mets I don't know to much about the mlb

[Cubs1984Nostaglia]

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Yeah your right about Montero
Nick Franklin doesn't interest me so much because after a few seasons Ahmed Rosario will be ready for the majors so I'm not looking to spend big on a young SS
Cespedes though really interests me, how much more do u think it would take to get him, something like Gee + Montero + Domingo Tapia + Kevin Plawecki seem fair?

If Cespedes is too expensive (by the way, that four player package you mentioned seems fair to me), would you consider Michael Cuddyer? Would probably be cheaper and dude can plain hit. Just checking.


EDIT: Nevermind, I can see you want Cespedes, and I can`t blame you.

[AC]

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Yeah I guess I'll have to wait for osfm to see all the prospects ratings to figure this trade out more but thanks for the help, really loving the idea of bringing Cespesdes to the mets
Just wondering what you think Gee's individual value is cuz beyond the Mets I don't know to much about the mlb

He's a young #3/4 with room to develop. Could be a useful piece, especially to a pitching starved club.

[Cubs1984Nostaglia]

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Yeah I guess I'll have to wait for osfm to see all the prospects ratings to figure this trade out more but thanks for the help, really loving the idea of bringing Cespesdes to the mets
Just wondering what you think Gee's individual value is cuz beyond the Mets I don't know to much about the mlb

Last year he had a 4.00 FIP (3.62 ERA) in about 200 innings, and at just 27 years old and under team control until 2017, I`d say he does have quite a bit of value as an innings eater.

[Jcrome]

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Alright thanks for the help guys

[cardinal511]

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I've been kicking around possible franchise ideas before May 6th, and today I've been thinking about creating a "Super Prospect" team by breaking apart one of the better teams. I settled on the Dodgers, and the following are initial trade proposals. Obviously realism is out the window in this scenario, but I am looking for equal (or close to equal) value in the trades. Literally anyone on the roster is available to make these happen, and I'm also willing to eat any bad contracts to make deals happen. Let me know what you think and how I can improve them!

Cardinals Get: Zach Greinke, Hyun-Jin Ryu, Chris Perez, Kenley Jansen
Dodgers Get: Michael Wacha, Shelby Miller, Carlos Martinez, Trevor Rosenthal

Twins Get: Matt Kemp, Hanley Ramirez Josh Beckett, Chad Billingsley
Dodgers Get: Byron Buxton, Miguel Sano

Cubs Get: Clayton Kershaw, Andre Ethier, Dan Haren
Dodgers Get: Javier Baez, Kris Bryant, Albert Almora

Astros Get: Yasiel Puig, Joc Pederson, Julio Uras, Corey Seager, Zach Lee, Alexander Gurrero
Dodgers Get: Carlos Correa, Mark Appel

Rangers Get: Carl Crawford, Brandon League/ Chris Withrow
Dodgers Get: Joey Gallo

Two possible deals for a Catcher
Yankees Get: Adrian Gonzalez
Dodgers Get: Gary Sanchez

Mariners Get: Adrian Gonzalez, possibly A.J. Ellis
Dodgers Get: Mike Zunino