The umps on variable are dreadful

[jdeszcz]

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Although I agree with you, it just doesn't seem to be the way it works. I use pure analog, which can be hard depending on an individual pitcher's wind up (just like meter, it changes the timing of delivery), and it's frustrating when I'm hitting my spots on the analog meter but not with the actual pitch.

But, that's baseball. If I hit all of my pitches and never struggled, the games wouldn't be fun anymore.

Haha, I tried analog pitching and I didn't know what the fork was going on (this is my first year with TS). Meter pitching works for me, don't get me wrong. There are just those times where it's a tight spot and I really need a pitch, feel like I execute and I miss my spot for some reason. Like you say though, that's baseball and the variability keeps it fresh. And it's not like there aren't pitches that I haven't executed where I get a call that shocks the hell out of me (for the good).

[bigwill33]

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Man I've got the MLB package and thus watch a TON of games, umps do that ish ALL THE TIME. When it happens in game, it just adds an extra layer, "man, now the ump is pinching me" is just another "situation" in the sense of "the first rule of baseball is know the situation."



I can't say I disagree. Are you saying that when you turn this off they still make mistakes? Because that's exactly the opposite of what the description says it does. That's BS. If you turn it off they should call the game perfectly.

Yes, that is what I am saying. No matter which setting you have this feature set to it still does not work as it should. The game makes blatant bad calls.

I, like many others, have opted to turn the check swing calls completely off as they screw those up so many times in the game it is not even worth trying at this point for me.

I get human error, I understand how hard it is to ref or ump a game, but that doesn't mean I want it being forced replicated when the actual results are being ignored on purpose in this game. Just my personal opinion, everyone is different. I see many of you like the nuance that is in and that is fine, but the option to have it work 100% correct should be included AND work correctly for those of us who wish to play that way as well.

[jdeszcz]

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I, like many others, have opted to turn the check swing calls completely off as they screw those up so many times in the game it is not even worth trying at this point for me.

I was going to turn off check swings myself based on a lot of comments I've read in forums, however I let it ride for a bit and I actually think it balances itself out? Or maybe I've just not played enough yet and gotten screwed?

[Mitchrapp]

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Haven't had any problems with check swings but the variable ump, awesome. As a hitter anyway, as the saying goes, if it's close enough swing. I've been saved by them as much as they have screwed me. It's perfect..

[ShaBoomer]

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There are a lot of factors that can contribute to successful check swings. The batter's Plate Discipline stat for one.

Secondly, how you as the user "check" your swing. If you pull back on the Right Analog and then just let it go, it will snap back and press forward all on its own. It was/is a HUGE problem with the PS3 controller in particular and can happen a lot if your controller is well used.

I find the most successful way to check swing is to actually stop the right analog stick during your swing. In other words, bring it back to centre with your thumb, don't just let go of it. It's hard to get used to, but is fairly easy to do with the PS4 controller once you get the hang of it.

[forme95]

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I think it brings a realistic part to the game and love love LOVE it!!! Ive been both burned and saved by it. I do think it stays pretty equal. Some full counts, if Im trying to paint a corner, its pitch and hold my breath lol. I love that it isnt an automatic strike or ball.

[Nando12]

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What I don't like is when two pitches land right on top of each other & one gets called for a ball & the other for a strike especially when it's the same pitch. It sucks even more when it's 2-2 then you take that pitch to make it 3-2 then take it again to get rung up.

[Gerg04]

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I love the variable zone. Actually makes you think and strategise instead of slamming the same buttons to the same area from muscle memory.

Learning if the ump is going to give you high or low, inside are out is actually fun work IMO. Just like in real life.


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[letsgopens66]

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I love the variable zone. Actually makes you think and strategise instead of slamming the same the buttons to the same area from muscle memory.

Learning if the ump is going to give you high or low, inside are out is actually fun work IMO. Just like in real life.


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That's all well and good but it's a little strange that none of the umpires seem to have strike zone tendencies in this game. One inning you'll get the inside call but the next you won't. I'm all for variable strike zones but I don't think you all give the umpires enough credit. It's hard to call a ballgame but most umps are consistent/get the right call 80% of the time. It's pretty much random in the Show IMO.

[stlcardsfan44]

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I've thrown pitches that caught a pretty good part of the plate and the umpire will consistently call it a ball. I Know it's supposed to bring realism to the game but it's a little ridiculous when the pitch is blatantly a strike and the ump is pretty much squeezing you. Has anyone else noticed this?

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That's happens quite a bit in real baseball!!!! I think it adds realism.

[SVCbearcat10]

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That's all well and good but it's a little strange that none of the umpires seem to have strike zone tendencies in this game. One inning you'll get the inside call but the next you won't. I'm all for variable strike zones but I don't think you all give the umpires enough credit. It's hard to call a ballgame but most umps are consistent/get the right call 80% of the time. It's pretty much random in the Show IMO.

I agree with this. I use it because it does add to the realism, but implementation could be much better. Umpires aren't perfect, and each umpire most certainly has their own definition of the strike zone; however, they tend to be very consistent about it (8 or 9 pitches out of 10 will be called the same way). It is way too random in the Show (it's 50/50). I think way to many people say umpires calls in real life are random. I think they are incredibly consistent, but each one is just different.

In a trailer they said 6 umpires, each with their own strike zone. I'm not seeing this in the game. It would be nice to have umpire names in the game, so you know who was umping and what to expect...

Umpire 1 tends to call more low and away strikes. How far out varies each game, but you know you will get them with him. However, he may give you 0 leeway on inside pitches. Umpire 2 gives you 2 inches off the plate inside but nothing away. Umpire 3 is tighter on the corners but more liberal with high and low strikes and so on. I don't think that type of logic exists in the game today but, if implemented, would make variable strike zones a much more realistic experience than the roll of the dice approach today.

[zrtelford]

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At the risk of coming off like a giant smart ***...have you watched a lot of major league games? I literally have watched thousands upon thousands of games in my 39 year old lifetime. And Umpires are dreadful. well some. and they are far from consistent. one inning they give felix no outside corner...next inning they give the opposing pitcher every corner. Its the way it is. sorry but I disagree with this post COMPLETELY. I love the umps in this gamee. could they be improved on...probably...but it would risk you picking up on their tendancies and using that to your advantage.

[Nando12]

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I think it would be cool to have an emotion rating like in NBA 2K but have it actually do something. A lower emotion rating could make your pitcher lose focus temporarily resulting in less command. It would also be cool to see ejections for showing up the umpire if a pitcher has a low emotion rating.

[birthday_massacre]

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I've thrown pitches that caught a pretty good part of the plate and the umpire will consistently call it a ball. I Know it's supposed to bring realism to the game but it's a little ridiculous when the pitch is blatantly a strike and the ump is pretty much squeezing you. Has anyone else noticed this?

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So its pretty much like real baseball?

I call that realistic.

[zrtelford]

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Exactly I don't get the complaint. If you want that umps to be perfect ...turn it off. this thread actually seems pointless. watch Baseball. Umps are inconsistent and squeeze people all the time. purposely or not. it happens.