Kershaw and Trout regressing?

[ShaBoomer]

Re: Kershaw and Trout regressing?

He had a bad day but how much of being out with that injury had to do with it is up in the air, and I'm sure he had training before coming back.

What they should do is remove this training thing or make it work properly.

The article that quote came from actually implies he has a curve ball problem, which definitely affected him in the loss.

But, how do you know training isn't working properly? Or more specifically, as intended?

Players regress. It happens all the time. Look at Grienke's ups and downs a few seasons ago. Look at Lincecum, or Ricky Romero.

[ShaBoomer]

Re: Kershaw and Trout regressing?

Let's look at real life data....

Mike Trout's stats from 2012/2013:


2012:
BA - .326
HR - 30
WAR - 10.8

2013:
BA - .323
HR - 27
WAR - 08.9

Mike Trout regressed in 2013. I bet he bounces back this year.


**Wins Above Replacement, for those that don't know.

[Cavicchi]

Re: Kershaw and Trout regressing?

The article that quote came from actually implies he has a curve ball problem, which definitely affected him in the loss.

But, how do you know training isn't working properly? Or more specifically, as intended?

Players regress. It happens all the time. Look at Grienke's ups and downs a few seasons ago. Look at Lincecum, or Ricky Romero.

I don't know, but there have been people saying training on Auto doesn't work properly and causes players to regress.

I am not talking about what Kershaw does in this game while pitching! He is doing great pitching, but of course that is with me controlling him. Now if he had me controlling him in real baseball, who knows how much better he would be.

He is pitching well, no runs allowed, but has lost attribute points for the break on his curve and changeup, and lost one point for stamina. I have not said anything about overall, both he and Trout are still 99s. However, losing attribute points is to me regressing.

[Cavicchi]

Re: Kershaw and Trout regressing?

Actually he does have a point. You still HAVE to train players and you shouldn't be setting it to Auto because the system will train players in stupid areas like they'll train a 1B in Arm Strength or something, or they'll train a pitcher in arm strength and arm accuracy.

I have a point as well, Remove training from game. It doesn't work properly so take it out. Besides, I have coaches and what the heck are they doing? The person in charge of training is the Trainer, right? Don't baseball teams have a Trainer? Who is the Trainer for my team? Can I hire and fire my Trainer?

Yeah, it really does train on some odd things. It's also possible to still regress on stats that you're training on as well. I usually take it as a sign that they've been training in that area for too long.

I use 30-team control, and have 28 teams set to auto and the 2 teams I play with I control manually. I would do them all manually except it takes way too much time.

I train each player in a specific area for 1 week, and then change it up.

Then you are cheating. You are doing your two teams and letting the others suffer because of your laziness

[ShaBoomer]

Re: Kershaw and Trout regressing?

I don't know, but there have been people saying training on Auto doesn't work properly and causes players to regress.

I am not talking about what Kershaw does in this game while pitching! He is doing great pitching, but of course that is with me controlling him. Now if he had me controlling him in real baseball, who knows how much better he would be.

He is pitching well, no runs allowed, but has lost attribute points for the break on his curve and changeup, and lost one point for stamina. I have not said anything about overall, both he and Trout are still 99s. However, losing attribute points is to me regressing.

Yes, losing attribute points in regressing. That's my point. You can regress in individual attributes without losing anything overall.

And yes, the problem does seem to be with Auto-Training. That's what I said earlier. That's why I manually train the teams I actually control, and as I said, would manually train all 750 players if it didn't take so long.

But my other point is this: We, the users, think it is broken or working incorrectly. But that doesn't mean that the system isn't working as intended.

To me, having a player lose a few points on an attribute isn't a big deal. It allows some flux in the game so that these 99 OVR, 99 POT players don't play perfectly through an entire season.

If in August/September Trout is hitting .240 and Kershaw has 5+ ERA, then I'll have a problem with it.

People forget that this is a video game based on rules and math. No matter how realistic the game is, or how the stats and sliders are tweaked, you'll never get 100% matching results between real life and the game.

You could give Nolan Arenado 99 contact for both L/R and you'll never get him to have a 28 game hit-streak on a consistent basis. Simming or playing. I would be surprised to see it happen at all.

Just like you could take a player with a 0 contact rating and still get a hit.

[Cavicchi]

Re: Kershaw and Trout regressing?

^^^

I was not talking about performance. The point is, they have lost attribute points and it makes no sense to me. If auto-training doesn't work properly. take it out.

[Dolenz]

Re: Kershaw and Trout regressing?

^^^

I was not talking about performance. The point is, they have lost attribute points and it makes no sense to me. If auto-training doesn't work properly. take it out.

You are really the only one saying that it is not working properly. The game making decisions about training that you do not agree with does not mean it is not working properly. Who is to say that the next training round the trainer won't set the training to recover those lost points. Or change their training manually.


Skill decline happens gradually this way. It simply is not just a case of Trout is now age 30, drop his rating to 95.

[ASUBoy93]

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In my RTTS both Trout and Kershaw have regressed significantly.

Kershaw has just gotten into his early 30's and is an 80 with further declining attributes and Trout is 28 and is a 76... They both regress for some reason even though Kershaw has a career ERA of 2.45 and Trout has been killing the ball.

[Dolenz]

Re: Kershaw and Trout regressing?

In my RTTS both Trout and Kershaw have regressed significantly.

Kershaw has just gotten into his early 30's and is an 80 with further declining attributes and Trout is 28 and is a 76... They both regress for some reason even though Kershaw has a career ERA of 2.45 and Trout has been killing the ball.

Who knows how the progression is in RTTS? Do AI controlled and simmed players earn points like my RTTS guy does or is it just some math algorithm with some randomness built in?

[ASUBoy93]

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Who knows how the progression is in RTTS? Do AI controlled and simmed players earn points like my RTTS guy does or is it just some math algorithm with some randomness built in?

I am not sure but what I have noticed is that a lot of players have regressed this way. A ton of players in my RTTS are now low 60's to mid 70's and are starters in the league. Very few 80+ players left and most are pitchers, it's a little frustrating when trying to move to a contender as everyone looks like garbage.

[geisterhome]

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its the same as last year, players that reach their in game rating peak very early like trout does for example also regress early. its like a player can just be at his peak for a certain amount of time, so if a guy reaches it with 20 it'll be over by the age of 22 or so.

it has nothing to do with training being on auto or manual whatsoever. and no losing a point here and there wouldn't be a big deal but thats just how it starts, minus 1 at 22 will most probably mean minus 20 by the age of 25, no way a player would bounce back either.

[extremeskins04]

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Taining has nothing to do with it. Just make sure that their potential is 99.

Just cause their potential is 99 doesn't mean they won't regress. If they are displaying poor performance statistically throughout the season, they WILL regress regardless of age and potential.

That's the beauty of MLB The Show.

[extremeskins04]

Re: Kershaw and Trout regressing?

its the same as last year, players that reach their in game rating peak very early like trout does for example also regress early. its like a player can just be at his peak for a certain amount of time, so if a guy reaches it with 20 it'll be over by the age of 22 or so.

it has nothing to do with training being on auto or manual whatsoever. and no losing a point here and there wouldn't be a big deal but thats just how it starts, minus 1 at 22 will most probably mean minus 20 by the age of 25, no way a player would bounce back either.

I hear you, but if let's say 6 years down the road Trout being 28 years old now, he shouldn't be in the mid 70's unless he's been consistently having an under .200 BA for every year in those 6 years. Players shouldn't regress THAT much. Even if Trout was only giving an average performance, let's say .230-.250 average with maybe only 15 HR's for each year, he shouldn't regress THAT much..maybe go from 99 to 88-90 in 6 years.

[geisterhome]

Re: Kershaw and Trout regressing?

Just cause their potential is 99 doesn't mean they won't regress. If they are displaying poor performance statistically throughout the season, they WILL regress regardless of age and potential.

That's the beauty of MLB The Show.

Other than last I didn't really dig into this topic so far for the show 14 but in last years version regression for sure wasn't related to any kind of poor performance.. has this changed then??

[extremeskins04]

Re: Kershaw and Trout regressing?

Other than last I didn't really dig into this topic so far for the show 14 but in last years version regression for sure wasn't related to any kind of poor performance.. has this changed then??

So what's the reason to even do well if you don't have to worry about regressing due to poor performance? If players can just strikeout on every pitch and have a ton of errors in the game but not have any regression or consequences then what's the point?