Get rid of the non-chalant animations

[Mrmagoo]

Re: Get rid of the non-chalant animations

You know animation wise, I don't even know where to start. Ppl always get their undies in an uproar if someone brings up comeback code around here, now I'm saying it's a comeback code, but to me I don't see a whole lot of difference when it comes to some of these animations. Guess what I'm saying is, it just seems it's a way to control the game in certain ways. More user control... Please!!!!!

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[Grub]

Re: Get rid of the non-chalant animations

Or least let us have some kind of "extra effort" button that we can hold down in combination with other actions. If you hold it down and throw to a base with guys who aren't good at fielding, yeah, there's a higher chance they'll air mail it into the stands trying to get a speedy guy out at first. But with better fielders, they're gonna make that snap play more often than not, and should never be trying to casually beat guys like Dee Gordon and Billy Hamilton.

[Paradingwolves]

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I've lost 2 games this year because if I get into the path of a ground ball too soon with my 2b he simply stands there while the ball rolls on by! this happened in the bottom of the 9th up by 2 and the next guy hit a 2 run home run to send it to extras where I lost. It's also happened on fly balls where I try to adjust the fielder a little to the left or right as the ball comes in the animation for the catch doesn't trigger and the ball falls right in front of him. And yes I'm standing in the catch zone.

I refuse to switch to auto fielding that would take the fun out of the game.

[MannTooth24]

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I've lost 2 games this year because if I get into the path of a ground ball too soon with my 2b he simply stands there while the ball rolls on by! this happened in the bottom of the 9th up by 2 and the next guy hit a 2 run home run to send it to extras where I lost. It's also happened on fly balls where I try to adjust the fielder a little to the left or right as the ball comes in the animation for the catch doesn't trigger and the ball falls right in front of him. And yes I'm standing in the catch zone.

I refuse to switch to auto fielding that would take the fun out of the game.

I had the ground ball and fly ball problem a few times last night also. Very frustrating. The fielder movement is too sensitive when trying to mildly adjust while in the catch zone. They practically run out of the way sometimes.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Let me play devil's advocate here and just say that, while these animations can be frustrating, I think the logic does a reasonable job of only using them when it's not a bang-bang play. But, let's be honest, we've all been screwed by the 3b patting his mitt and then throwing late etc..I don't think it's broken the game play though, it's more of a minor nuisance for me.

[strawberryshortcake]

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Let me play devil's advocate here and just say that, while these animations can be frustrating, I think the logic does a reasonable job of only using them when it's not a bang-bang play. But, let's be honest, we've all been screwed by the 3b patting his mitt and then throwing late etc..I don't think it's broken the game play though, it's more of a minor nuisance for me.

Minor nuisance....? Let's see, runner on 1st. Ball hits over the head of the center fielder. Runner continues to round 2nd to third. Centefielder fields the ball as the runner rounds 2nd, but takes his sweet time lobbing the ball towards home plate with absolutely no urgency. Runner eventually rounds 3rd and crosses home plate.

Contextual animation does not fit the situation.

Situational baseball was lacking, allow the runner to score from first.

[bcruise]

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Minor nuisance....? Let's see, runner on 1st. Ball hits over the head of the center fielder. Runner continues to round 2nd to third. Centefielder fields the ball as the runner rounds 2nd, but takes his sweet time lobbing the ball towards home plate with absolutely no urgency. Runner eventually rounds 3rd and crosses home plate.

Contextual animation does not fit the situation.

Situational baseball was lacking, allow the runner to score from first.

Did this actually happen or are you trying to come up with a situation where it might?

Because if the CF's chasing down a ball over his head to the wall, he should be throwing to a relay man. Not directly to home plate.

So in this case, the outfielder's throw decision isn't fitting the situation either.

[Paradingwolves]

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Did this actually happen or are you trying to come up with a situation where it might?

Because if the CF's chasing down a ball over his head to the wall, he should be throwing to a relay man. Not directly to home plate.

So in this case, the outfielder's throw decision isn't fitting the situation either.

This has happened to me, but I was throwing to cut off not to home and the outfielder got the ball stood there slowly turned and threw the ball casually to the cutoff man. It's like Manny Ramirez was the subject of all the outfield animations.

The only time I can get urgency is when they are charging a ball that made it through the infield and I've pre loaded a base where a runner is heading, then they come up gunning and I've thrown a few players out at home and 3rd. But if it goes past them and you're no longer facing home it does this.

So how I've gotten away from it is to not load a throw, once he has the ball I will manually turn the fielder towards the base then hit the throw and he will rifle it.

[moemoe24]

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Visually, 2015 needs to be the year of animations/player locomotion in general, player models, and I'm sure some of you think this is silly but, real-life jersey fabric/cloth. I'd love to see the jersey actually moving, bunching up, hanging off the body like it does in real life, with great texturing. It would add a ton to the visuals.

I agree. I was slightly disappointed with this season just because of the ps4 hype. I mean the game is great and runs smooth but I thought we'd see things like you mention here with uniforms. I thought hair and facial hair would look better. And it's not a huge deal but for me the only reason I have had ps3 and ps4 is because this game so when I didn't see these things I was expecting I kind of felt like I wasted my $ on ps4. I honestly thought after hearing ramone talk about how much more they can do on the ps4 that it would be "fall out of your chair, I can't believe this is a video game" type thing.

So hopefully they use the power that I keep hearing about with the ps4 next year.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Minor nuisance....? Let's see, runner on 1st. Ball hits over the head of the center fielder. Runner continues to round 2nd to third. Centefielder fields the ball as the runner rounds 2nd, but takes his sweet time lobbing the ball towards home plate with absolutely no urgency. Runner eventually rounds 3rd and crosses home plate.

Contextual animation does not fit the situation.

Situational baseball was lacking, allow the runner to score from first.

I guess what I'm saying is that at least in my gameplay, this kind of thing happens with a low enough frequency that it's not a gamebreaker for me. Certainly there will be games won and lost where a key play like what you describe plays a role, but my comment is more to the nature that gamers tend to overemphasize the frequency and severity of bugs and glitches like this, especially when it happened recently or left an especially bitter taste. A lot of people will overlook the 57 animations that went well and focus on that 1 animation that "cost them the game" so to speak.

But this thread is tame compared to the NBA 2K14 boards, lol, guys over there are starting new threads every day to bash this, that, and the other about that game.

[bcruise]

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This has happened to me, but I was throwing to cut off not to home and the outfielder got the ball stood there slowly turned and threw the ball casually to the cutoff man. It's like Manny Ramirez was the subject of all the outfield animations.

The only time I can get urgency is when they are charging a ball that made it through the infield and I've pre loaded a base where a runner is heading, then they come up gunning and I've thrown a few players out at home and 3rd. But if it goes past them and you're no longer facing home it does this.

So how I've gotten away from it is to not load a throw, once he has the ball I will manually turn the fielder towards the base then hit the throw and he will rifle it.

Fair enough. I wasn't saying it doesn't happen, was just counter-pointing that one post.

Myself, I'm in the "minor annoyance" camp too because while I have seen slow throw animations happen (more commonly on the infield), it's not frequent enough for me to consider it a huge problem. I see rushed throw animations (and harder throws) with faster runners going down the line, compared to more casual ones for slower runners. It's usually several games between when I see the animation speed actually impact a play.

I also play on basically default sliders which don't alter the fielder's arm strength or reaction, YMMV if you lower them - I'd imagine plays can turn out quite differently when a fielder gets to the ball later or can't throw as hard.

[moemoe24]

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I guess what I'm saying is that at least in my gameplay, this kind of thing happens with a low enough frequency that it's not a gamebreaker for me. Certainly there will be games won and lost where a key play like what you describe plays a role, but my comment is more to the nature that gamers tend to overemphasize the frequency and severity of bugs and glitches like this, especially when it happened recently or left an especially bitter taste. A lot of people will overlook the 57 animations that went well and focus on that 1 animation that "cost them the game" so to speak.

But this thread is tame compared to the NBA 2K14 boards, lol, guys over there are starting new threads every day to bash this, that, and the other about that game.

I agree and maybe I've been lucky over the years because I can think of only a couple times that these animations cost me a game and I've been playing since 2008. I just don't see a lot of the bugs that bother a lot of people. Secondly, when it does happen I chalk It up as like my guy made a mental mistake and move on. Do I wish these animations were triggered at better times...of course, but it's never come close to ruining my experience.

But like I said, maybe I've been lucky. Other things bothers me a lot more than animations like corner outfielders getting to balls down the line way too quick. But again, it doesn't ruin my experience. I think sometimes people forget how far games have come or how good things are compared to the baseball games I grew up playing in the 80's. I guess older gamers are easier to please.

[Steven78]

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It's frustrating because it seems like a step back from previous years.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I agree and maybe I've been lucky over the years because I can think of only a couple times that these animations cost me a game and I've been playing since 2008. I just don't see a lot of the bugs that bother a lot of people. Secondly, when it does happen I chalk It up as like my guy made a mental mistake and move on. Do I wish these animations were triggered at better times...of course, but it's never come close to ruining my experience.

But like I said, maybe I've been lucky. Other things bothers me a lot more than animations like corner outfielders getting to balls down the line way too quick. But again, it doesn't ruin my experience. I think sometimes people forget how far games have come or how good things are compared to the baseball games I grew up playing in the 80's. I guess older gamers are easier to please.

Kinda off topic.....

Yeah, us oldtimer 30 and 40-somethings have this perspective.

Remember those handheld baseball games that you used to be able to get for $20-$30? It wasn't even a specific console so to speak (predated GameBoy) but rather each game was it's own separate handheld entity. And the annoying music...I remember the NL All Stars in one of those games included Pedro Guerrero and Rick Reuschel...now that is definitely dating myself, lol

Seriously, I've been playing baseball games since the 80s also, and while the striking improvements in gaming since then does not 100% absolve devs from making good modern games, there's just no comparison and maybe that's why we're easier on our criticisms. I mean, Ken Griffey Jr. baseball and High Heat were games that I considered "next gen" after being raised on RBI Baseball, Tecmobowl, and Baseball Simulator 3000 (an oldie, but a goodie not often mentioned).

I think this Show franchise is in that pantheon of historically elite baseball games occupied by titles like MVP 2004 and 2005 for PS2 and World Series Baseball back from the Sega Genesis days. I can live with a wonky animation every other game

[Turbojugend]

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Kinda off topic.....Remember those handheld baseball games that you used to be able to get for $20-$30? It wasn't even a specific console so to speak (predated GameBoy) but rather each game was it's own separate handheld entity.

Man, I remember those. I had this one:



Makes me want to track one down on eBay.