Next year and grapchis?

[viking12344]

Re: Next year and grapchis?

I disagree when comparing mlb to nba. On the nba game court you have 10 players. On an mlb field you have almost the same. If you want to count dugouts and benches that is different.
Now comparing football to either of these two then I agree. Much harder to get 22 looking as good as 10. There is no excuse why the mlb player models cannot look as good as the nba players.
I would even say the nba is harder because you have the players much closer together, the court graphics on top of that and the crowd in much tighter quarters.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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It's a minor thing but I hope hair gets a facelift for next year.
Yeah, it's drastically different from ps3 to ps4 but there is so many options for hair that needs added on ps4.

[MLB14]

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I expect the graphics to improve some, but really, the game already looks SO good. I take screenshots from time to time just because it's so eye catching. I can't imagine the graphics upgrading too much. I mean, they already lead the charge for sports game graphics.

You'll be surprised. You know how SCEA pushes hardware to it's limit.

[bigwill33]

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Comparing MLB to NBA is like comparing apples and oranges, only commonality is that they are both fruit, where as the aforementioned are both sports.

NBA is 5v5, with 12 man active rosters.

MLB is 9 v 9 with 25 man active rosters. .

Actually baseball is more like 9 v 1 or 9 v 4 at most. Hockey is 6 v 6 and Football 11 v 11. All sports games have these issues, all surfaces are unique whether it is a field, court, or rink.

All games have fans and venus going on. MLB doesn't have to worry about much more than the other sports, it is not like the backgrounds in The Show aren't mostly static. There are a few places that have low res animations going on past the outfield stands (cars, trains, planes, etc.) but it is a fair comparison in my mind.

I think for year one SCEA did a decent job getting everything in this game that should have been expected. I think that our expectations for next gen were probably too high, myself included.

Moving forward, I fully expect them to keep improving the visuals and graphics in this game each year. I do hope that we see some new player models with a more individual flare for body builds and differential that is seen in real life. The game is far from perfect, but they have the foundation of a good looking game to work off of.

[Joey]

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Some of you are missing the point regarding basketball vs baseball. The look of the players is not as much about how many are on the field or court at once as it is how many total players they have to scan. NBA has a roster limit of 13 per team vs the 25 - and then 40 - players MLB has. That's a lot of new face scans to get in one year, comparatively speaking.

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[Blzer]

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Baseball has bigger issues to worry about when it comes to programming all of this stuff, though. Their fields aren't rectangular and they aren't at fixed sizes.

That has little to do with the graphics themselves though, I believe.

[Factzzz]

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If the Show could look better than 2k on ps3, then it can also look better on ps4.

Also, nba 2k has to deal with thousands of tattoos, the Show doesn't, so that's something.

[bigwill33]

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If the Show could look better than 2k on ps3, then it can also look better on ps4.

Also, nba 2k has to deal with thousands of tattoos, the Show doesn't, so that's something.

Tatts shouldn't matter much, especially on real players. They are just scanned in as one image along with the body part it's on.

OS needs to do a feature on what all goes into making a game and what resources go where and do what. Some of us are pretty in the dark as to what all is going on under the hood and behind the scenes for these games. Maybe a sit down with an ex-producer or a video tour of a studio with detailed descriptions to what all goes into a product along with a timeline of events.

[Blzer]

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If the Show could look better than 2k on ps3, then it can also look better on ps4.

That's like saying if one player dominates another in AAA, then he will also dominate him in the major league (assuming we're comparing 'same side of the ball' statistics).

Actually, that's even still a poor example. In the end, it's up to the artists. Maybe somebody is just good at art to some extent, then it just ain't there for them. Like how some film franchises have surprisingly, relatively good CGI in their first film compared to others, but then don't seem to really up the ante enough in their future films while others fly right past them. See Transformers.

[Mrmagoo]

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Comparing MLB to NBA is like comparing apples and oranges, only commonality is that they are both fruit, where as the aforementioned are both sports.

NBA is 5v5, with 12 man active rosters. Other than appearal, there is no extra equipment in the game. Arenas don't really vary all that much from each other. The court is a single surface. There isn't as much to worry about so more detail can be put into player models without sacrificing framerate.

MLB is 9 v 9 with 25 man active rosters. Most stadiums aren't domes, so you have the surrounding area to build. Every field is very unique. Players have gloves, catchers equipment, hats, sunglasses, bats, shin guards, elbow pads, and so on. You have wind physics, ball phyics interacting with dirt, grass (plus where the dirt and grass intersect), the walls, bases.

Although I think they could eventually get close, they will never be able to match the player detail. Resources are spread out across more areas in MLB games than they are in NBA games. I don't think you can say NBA 2k set the bar for sports graphics because of all the sports, it is the one with the fewest players; therefore, more resources can be spent on each player. They set the bar for NBA games and nothing else. It's a comparison that will always say graphics sucks for MLB, Soccer, NHL, NFL.

Ok. Thanks for the heads up then and what not to expect in the future with this series.
One thing that you didn't mention was that, there's a whole hell of a lot more going on at any given second for NBA 2k than with mlb. For the most part anyway. Don't know how much if any that would matter in this equation...

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[Factzzz]

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That's like saying if one player dominates another in AAA, then he will also dominate him in the major league (assuming we're comparing 'same side of the ball' statistics).

Actually, that's even still a poor example. In the end, it's up to the artists. Maybe somebody is just good at art to some extent, then it just ain't there for them. Like how some film franchises have surprisingly, relatively good CGI in their first film compared to others, but then don't seem to really up the ante enough in their future films while others fly right past them. See Transformers.

What i'm saying is, people are trying to say the Show's graphics can't be as good as 2Ks because the Show has to deal with more things than 2k, like different stadiums, crowds, grass, more players, whatever else. But was this not true for the ps3 as well?

And it still looked better on ps3 than 2k did, so why would the possibility of it looking better on ps4 be ruled out?

[darkknightrises]

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What i'm saying is, people are trying to say the Show's graphics can't be as good as 2Ks because the Show has to deal with more things than 2k, like different stadiums, crowds, grass, more players, whatever else. But was this not true for the ps3 as well?

And it still looked better on ps3 than 2k did, so why would the possibility of it looking better on ps4 be ruled out?

yep that was my point mlb looked better on ps3 then 2k did and its not like they didnt have to deal with those same things back then with the crowd and grass and stuff so saying that is why 2k looks better just sounds like an excuse to me. That is like how some people have said should madden go to a 2 year devement cyle even though the game was great during the ps2 games on a 1 year cyle and even thoug other games like this and nba 2k make things work on a 1 year cyle.

[@legendm0de]

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Honestly the player models are still at the top level of any video games being put out, aside from NBA 2ks. Even games that are not sports oriented are not this good. Before I see them go wild with new player face textures, and models, I'd much prefer see them focus on the surroundings of the stadiums which are improved from PS3 but not complete yet by far.

AT&T park for example still has some obvious flaw to it in the bay outside of the stadium. I'd like to see them increase the draw distances very much so we can have beautiful lively surroundings outside the stadium to make the feeling complete. This should be an achievable feat for next season. From the top of my mind, the stadiums that would benefit most from this:

AT&T Park
Yankee Stadium
Petco Park
PNC Park

[Blzer]

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AT&T park for example still has some obvious flaw to it in the bay outside of the stadium. I'd like to see them increase the draw distances very much so we can have beautiful lively surroundings outside the stadium to make the feeling complete. This should be an achievable feat for next season. From the top of my mind, the stadiums that would benefit most from this:

Finally, somebody else has the same thoughts as I do on it. You'll absolutely devour this post of mine made way back when:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...51&postcount=4

[seanjeezy]

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I have no doubt that we will see a major bump in graphics next year, it happened in '08 and it will happen again in '15. All of Sony's year 2 exclusives are pushing the envelope graphically and I have a strong feeling that The Show will follow suit.