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  • The Chef
    Moderator
    • Sep 2003
    • 13684

    #46
    Re: Long time zone hitter, moving to timing. Maybe.

    Originally posted by NDAlum
    I think it depends on your ability. I'm not the best at timing pitches correctly so that one likely has the most impact on my average.
    That's my problem, I struggle to time things correctly and then when I do, and rightfully so, it doesn't always equate to a hit. Because of that though, it kills my batting average in the end. I'm thinking of looking at timing as I heard one tick in contact and solid hits can really start messing with your own stats and shoot them through the roof.
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    • HustlinOwl
      All Star
      • Mar 2004
      • 9713

      #47
      Re: Long time zone hitter, moving to timing. Maybe.

      As a developer mentioned the PCI is merely where player is looking for the pitch and ball doesnt need to be dead center for positive results

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      • KBLover
        Hall Of Fame
        • Aug 2009
        • 12172

        #48
        Re: Long time zone hitter, moving to timing. Maybe.

        Originally posted by Candymandagreat
        i know what you're saying. i havent analyzed it to a great extent. but i would venture to say if your/mine/our timing was perfect the PCI probably would cover the pitch. so we may be thinking we timed it right but arent. so when you notice on the box it may say too early blah, blah, blah. that means the PCI isnt going to cover the ball. make sense?

        I've had it not cover the ball (and sometimes being WAY off) even with "Normal" timing, which seems to be as good as it will show this year.

        Or it will cover just the edge of the ball. I know it doesn't have to be center - in fact flyballs happen more when it's under the ball (but still touching for good flyballs it seems).

        I just wish it was based on hitter vision ratings. I know the size of the PCI is impacted by VIS, but I wish the placement was, modified by the user's button timing.
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        • nomo17k
          Permanently Banned
          • Feb 2011
          • 5735

          #49
          Re: Long time zone hitter, moving to timing. Maybe.

          Originally posted by Gagnon39
          In 4,574 at-bats (24th in the league) I have 245 base on balls (last in the league) and 820 strikeouts (second fewest in the league).

          Why do you ask?

          I just asked to see if you have a massive plate discipline issue. While your BB/K ratio is below the MLB averate it's not that bad to think that's your most serious weakness.

          Switching between zone and timing is to some extent kind of like where your want your frustration to lie in. With zone, you blame your own PCI placement skill (among others), and with Timing, you mostly blame your timing skill and the AI for not placing PCI on where you desire it to be.

          It's hard to tell how bad your PCI placement skill is (probably not as bad as you think), but if it's just PCI placement that's your weakness, then increasing Contact slider would do it for you if you stay with Zone.

          Another issues is, how is your HRs/XBHs coming? Things may be complicated with the fact that you use the Cubs (so many weak hitters), but if you have no issues slugging away, then the reason why you have low batting average may be because of your hitting approach.

          If you are a dead pull hitter, you will hit quite a bit of XBHs even if you are below average contact hitter, but hitting for a high average takes a little more skill (i.e., going the other way often enough to boost the number of safe hits).
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          • Padgoi
            Banned
            • Oct 2008
            • 1873

            #50
            Re: Long time zone hitter, moving to timing. Maybe.

            Man I'm having the exact opposite results as you guys. I play on Zone with pitch speed at 10 on HoF difficulty and my team average is .280. I'm 35 yeas old but my hand-eye coordination still seems on point because my offense seems overpowered. I'm averaging at least 10 hits per game and can't seem to get the hitting mechanic to give me enough of a challenge. I'm hesitant to go to Legend because of the shenanigans I'm sure to encounter, but my offense is really lighting it up.

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            • COMMISSIONERHBK9
              MVP
              • Dec 2003
              • 4564

              #51
              Re: Long time zone hitter, moving to timing. Maybe.

              gagnon have u decided what u going to do?
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              • NDAlum
                ND
                • Jun 2010
                • 11453

                #52
                Re: Long time zone hitter, moving to timing. Maybe.

                Went from timing to zone. Wow it's so much easier to hit with zone. If you get a hanging CB and you put a good swing you actually get rewarded.
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                • HustlinOwl
                  All Star
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 9713

                  #53
                  Re: Long time zone hitter, moving to timing. Maybe.

                  Originally posted by NDAlum
                  If you get a hanging CB and you put a good swing you actually get rewarded.
                  lol as you should you know like real baseball not the PCI placed down and away

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                  • KBLover
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 12172

                    #54
                    Re: Long time zone hitter, moving to timing. Maybe.

                    Originally posted by HustlinOwl
                    lol as you should you know like real baseball not the PCI placed down and away
                    Funny hanging curves came up - I'm on Timing, Stanton got one, PCI located for one of his towering shots (i.e. it was perfectly placed) - and it was a 360-foot line drive right to the CF.

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                    • COMMISSIONERHBK9
                      MVP
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 4564

                      #55
                      Re: Long time zone hitter, moving to timing. Maybe.

                      i just dont understand how u guys can move the pci so quick after the pitch is thrown
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                      • allhailben7
                        Rookie
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 335

                        #56
                        Re: Long time zone hitter, moving to timing. Maybe.

                        Went from Zone Plus Analog to Pure Analog because I can't lay off pitches out of the zone with that PCI control. I had 16 walks in 65 regular season games and have 4 through 10 games in the playoffs so far.

                        Also, I feel like it makes the 'Vision' stat worth something. I miss sometimes and hit popups on meat pitches, but I still hit .310 as a rookie with 14 HR in 65 games, so it's fine.

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                        • HustlinOwl
                          All Star
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 9713

                          #57
                          Re: Long time zone hitter, moving to timing. Maybe.

                          Originally posted by COMMISSIONERHBK9
                          i just dont understand how u guys can move the pci so quick after the pitch is thrown
                          I dont, I simply take a couple pitches and look for patterns leave PCI there and wait for pitch. Again the ball does not need to be dead center of the PCI for hits

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                          • HustlinOwl
                            All Star
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 9713

                            #58
                            Re: Long time zone hitter, moving to timing. Maybe.

                            Originally posted by KBLover
                            Funny hanging curves came up - I'm on Timing, Stanton got one, PCI located for one of his towering shots (i.e. it was perfectly placed) - and it was a 360-foot line drive right to the CF.

                            Baseball.
                            Stanton sure, but what about a hanger to a lower rated player that same PCI will be placed low and away. Feel free to stream away

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                            • NDAlum
                              ND
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 11453

                              #59
                              Re: Long time zone hitter, moving to timing. Maybe.

                              I have pitch speed on 0! Call me what you wish lol

                              There were some times when I did crush balls on timing. But I was on AS with upped sliders for HUM hitting and my average was around .230

                              I had far too many instances where I had Normal swing feedback and I foul tipped balls. It was extremely frustrating and not to the level I felt actually represented baseball well.

                              I still have the inner battle of zone vs timing. My heart wants to go timing as I feel it would reflect player attributes to a much higher degree.
                              Last edited by NDAlum; 08-04-2014, 10:53 AM.
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                              • ManiacMatt1782
                                Who? Giroux!
                                • Jul 2006
                                • 3982

                                #60
                                Re: Long time zone hitter, moving to timing. Maybe.

                                Originally posted by HustlinOwl
                                I dont, I simply take a couple pitches and look for patterns leave PCI there and wait for pitch. Again the ball does not need to be dead center of the PCI for hits
                                This. I only really try to move it with 2 strikes and really that is only when I have to respect the high fastball. Other than that. Sit on a location and be patient. If it comes in your wheelhouse, put a hurtin on that thing. If not, let it go early in the count.
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