Stats in later seasons are kind of brutal.

[nomo17k]

Re: Stats in later seasons are kind of brutal.

Sorry for the hit and run here....I gotta run back out quick.....won't be home for a few hours.

Also sorry for the camera pics w/flash....fastest way to get these.

I had a 2020/2025 and 2030 save for a few franchises....tough to find quickly(LET US NAME OUR FRANCHISE SAVES!!!! )...but here is one from 2025 that I simmed to the A.S. game...and then gave you the league leaders in K's for 2026

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Like I said...if anything the K's are MORE prevalent....

BA's vary...a lot...some years 12 guys hitting over .300...sometimes only 5 guys....
HR's are also very up and down year to year.....league leader with 30 one year....and then 45-50....
BB's are usually right around 100 for the league leader....

Sorry again...to hit and run.
Talk it up and I'll pop in later.

M.K.
Knight165

This is very interesting but wonder what the difference between your sim and the OP's.

After 10 years, the leagues are probably still a mix of the original MLB players and generated players, but I would think the effect of player generation as well as progression engines should be quite evident. (After 20 years, it's mostly all generated players.)

I don't know what roster the OP was using, but the difference might suggest that player progression is sensitive to customizable options? I wonder how the current player generation engine works in terms of replenishing players "lost" to retirement, etc. If the game is replacing players getting out of the system with similar players (give or take the time it takes to fully mature through progression), I'd imagine the game should keep producing similar stats for a long time even after the original players have been replaced.

[BlueJayPower]

Re: Stats in later seasons are kind of brutal.

How you set certain sliders makes a difference in the sim engine also. Obviously not to the effect of her OP but just putting it out there in general.

[nomo17k]

Re: Stats in later seasons are kind of brutal.

How you set certain sliders makes a difference in the sim engine also. Obviously not to the effect of her OP but just putting it out there in general.

Most sliders actually don't do anything in simmed games (most sliders only work in games played out), and things like hits and strikeouts are not adjustable through sliders.

[Mrmagoo]

Re: Stats in later seasons are kind of brutal.

SCEA doesn't look that far, it's a yearly game and they know most people do not play the game that deep not to 2025. QC does not look for things like that, they are looking for game breakers and things in that realm.

Maybe so, but with the ability to carry saves over year to year these types of things will probably be considered broke to some.
Maybe qc isn't the right term but knowing SCEA I'm sure they do look at these things to at least make sure there are somewhat in line with the norms anyway.
Thanks Knight for chiming in and sharing your simmed stats also. Seems to have to do with something we are unaware of at this point to have such different results.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

Re: Stats in later seasons are kind of brutal.

All of my Sims have resulted in stats similar to Knights, using default rosters and OSFM. If anything pitchers strikeout too many guys.
I believe I posted pics in the impression thread and in my arena.

[Mrmagoo]

Re: Stats in later seasons are kind of brutal.

Yea what gives then? I mean how the heck can there be such a difference?
Thanks tabarnes I have always enjoyed, appreciated and used your research into how future franchise seasons sim and play out!!

[Knight165]

Re: Stats in later seasons are kind of brutal.

Yea what gives then? I mean how the heck can there be such a difference?
Thanks tabarnes I have always enjoyed, appreciated and used your research into how future franchise seasons sim and play out!!

Honestly....it looks like a display bug.
The 27/27 and 37/37 is just too much of a coincidence.
It looks like it pulled the BB's twice and listed it as both IMO.

I know he said he saw it amongst other pitchers...but perhaps he was looking at the stats page there. IDK.

I've never seen anything even remotely like that in a LOT of simming.

M.K.
Knight165

[Mrmagoo]

Re: Stats in later seasons are kind of brutal.

Never thought of that. Either way it's good to know it's far from the norm.

[nomo17k]

Re: Stats in later seasons are kind of brutal.

Yeah it does seems like it's just some sort of display glitch... I didn't notice K and BB are the same myself...

[twinsfan34]

Re: Stats in later seasons are kind of brutal.

I have the high strikeout numbers as well. Will have 20-30 pitchers get 200+ each season even into 2030. The league leaders usually have 240-275 K.

The stats I that turn out that I like the least are in order:
1. AVG - generally 5-20 guys at .300 or better, league leader usually around .310-.325. Had one year where Puig won it at .296
2. SB - never seen a season over 60 SB. Many times the league leader is in the high 30's or low 40's.
3. Hits - simmed through 2025. Only seen 8 200 hit seasons.
4. BB - seems that the BB leader is usually 80-90 BBs


On a slightly related note...

Anyone find that it's pretty tough for hitters to make the HOF in their sims?

I get pitchers getting in all the time with 180-220 Wins 2800-3400 K and 3-ish ERA.

Hitters can have .316 AVG, 3000 hits, and 360 HR and not get in.

Curious if anyone has honed in on their HOF logic they have built in. (Implied question)

[turty11]

Re: Stats in later seasons are kind of brutal.

it should be written in the book of facts that this years sim engine is , well.. a full books short of a full bookshelf.

i feel pitcher ratings factor too heavily into the sim engine in terms of hitters.

what i mean is, an overall increase of +10 to contact for all hitters, will get a smaller change in sim stats than even a +5 to pitchers (although, the current MLB is trending towards pitcher dominance, i dont feel its that strong)

im going to use my custom edited osfm/jeezy roster and sim some years and ill see if the results differ from having drastically improved hitter ratings in year 1

my # of hitters over .300 has gone from 25 in 2014 to 5 in 2019, but strikeout leader is still 220 or less every year

[twinsfan34]

Re: Stats in later seasons are kind of brutal.

I was thinking of doing something similar.

Reduce every pitcher's H/9 by 8 and increase the hitters contact +5 and maybe vision +5

I know the K's are up in MLB but I still think it's a bit high as I often have over 20 pitchers with over 230 K's from year 1 through 20 years of sims.

But I'm mostly average the increase in AVG...at least among the top players vs the 'whole system' so to speak. e.g. league average seems to be fine, however, the 'batting title' leaders range from .296 to .331 in most of my seasons. And also at times, only 5-10 guys hit above .300.

[turty11]

Re: Stats in later seasons are kind of brutal.

i think i just hit the proverbiable **** hitting the wall year.

just simmed 2020 and only 1 batter hit over 300, and theres now 4+ pitchers with 250 strikeouts

[Knight165]

Re: Stats in later seasons are kind of brutal.

Nah....sometimes you get that...but often not.
I have sims where 10+ guys in each league still are over .300...usually that many.
I sim to 2030.....when testing.....close to 50 times.
I stop at 2020...2025...and 2030 to look closely at stats.
Except for the K's....the #'s usually look really good.


BUT.....that's six years into the future(2020)...maybe <.300 and >250K's are going to be the norm buy then?

I'm all for statistical norms...but getting too nutty about futurecasts is a bit much IMO.

M.K.
Knight165

[turty11]

Re: Stats in later seasons are kind of brutal.

250ks probably, but i still expect double digit 300 hitters. (theres only like 12 currently in MLB)

encarnacion still leading the majors with 40+ hrs a season in 2020 tho lol.

and adam jones has won gold glove every year

whats funny is, david price and i think 2-3 others are on pace for 270-300 k's this year in actual baseball, so i could care less if pitchers are in the 300s near 2030+