Anyone think guess pitch is kinda stupid?

[cardinalbird5]

Re: Anyone think guess pitch is kinda stupid?

No real life doesn't have a flashing sign, but real life MLB batters are a whole lot better at picking up pitches than us PS4-jockies. That said, I don't use GP, but I don't think it is stupid, just a mechanism on a video game to give us an advantage.

Yeah but we can't really read spin on a ps4 yet. The only thing we can do is pick up the trajectory that allows us to recognize what pitch is coming. I liked MVP's mechanism more than guess pitch, however it was a little too easy to use. It would show green, red, purple, or white for a type of pitch coming. It was a little more realistic as it was portraying how hitters pick up spin and a pitcher's grip.

I think it'd also be cool if certain pitchers would tip pitches sometimes. Kershaw was tipping his curve on Friday night where he would have a slight hitch before he came set and you could see him re-gripping the baseball at the apex of his delivery.

[Pared]

Re: Anyone think guess pitch is kinda stupid?

Can't you just not use Guess Pitch?


M.K.
Knight165

"Yeah but real baseball players guess the pitch just don't have the red cursor flash in front of them when they rite!!!!"

[Knight165]

Re: Anyone think guess pitch is kinda stupid?

"Yeah but real baseball players guess the pitch just don't have the red cursor flash in front of them when they rite!!!!"

Yeah...but their eyes get as big as saucers!

M.K.
Knight165

[NimitsTexan]

Re: Anyone think guess pitch is kinda stupid?

Yeah...but their eyes get as big as saucers!

M.K.
Knight165

They also make a minimum salary of several hundred thousand dollars for standing in the batter's box.

When I can make a minimum of several hundred thousand dollars for playing baseball, I too will turn of guess pitch.

[Knight165]

Re: Anyone think guess pitch is kinda stupid?

They also make a minimum salary of several hundred thousand dollars for standing in the batter's box.

When I can make a minimum of several hundred thousand dollars for playing baseball, I too will turn of guess pitch.

Haha....yeah....on/off/no feedback...whatever it takes!

M.K.
Knight165

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Re: Anyone think guess pitch is kinda stupid?

I enjoy the feature. While there is certainly no "guess pitch" in real life, a major league hitter can identify a pitch much better than I ever will be able to, so I equate it to that.

[MrOldboy]

Re: Anyone think guess pitch is kinda stupid?

I do hope one day the devs can figure out how to convey the spin on the ball visually. As well as varying arm angles/release points and the pitcher's grip on the ball. While subtle it can help identify a pitch and it's why some pitchers get credit for hiding the ball well.

I haven't used guess pitch in a long time, but from messing around with it around launch I feel like the guess pitch now should actually convey more and give even more advantage to the hitter. It used to give more of an advantage I think, but I never really did use it so I can't say. One thing that I feel could get more people into the game is making the hitting more arcade like and less imposing. Everything from flashing the ball red, to showing the exact location, to adding some sort of slow motion if you guess right. I want more people to play The Show and the number one complaint I hear from people is they can't hit, even with guess pitch. They picked up MLB 10 or 11 years ago and sucked horribly at hitting and never touched it again even though they are huge MLB fans.

Whether you think GP is stupid or a crutch, if it helps more people get into the game than it benefits everyone.

[Pared]

Re: Anyone think guess pitch is kinda stupid?

Yeah...but their eyes get as big as saucers!

M.K.
Knight165

Hmmmm..... Imagine if they did that to the players when you are pitching from broadcast cam and the CPU guessed right?

Feature request thread, where are ya.....

[Knight165]

Re: Anyone think guess pitch is kinda stupid?

Hmmmm..... Imagine if they did that to the players when you are pitching from broadcast cam and the CPU guessed right?

Feature request thread, where are ya.....

haha....

and the pitch.....-saucer eyes on the CPU batter-

"Oh ****...)....

M.K.
Knight165

[KBLover]

Re: Anyone think guess pitch is kinda stupid?

So while I don't use guess pitch at all, I don't consider it to be unrealistic or "stupid." The things that were done were things that probably had to be done, to compensate for the above.

I think some parts of it are unrealistic, even within the construct of the video game (i.e. ignoring the whole "real hitters don't get flashing icons" thing).

-The penalties are always there. In the real game, it would depend on just how badly the hitter reacts to what he's not looking for (assuming he swings at all) on top of the usual location impacts. "Guessing wrong" would just make him more likely to have bad reactions to the incoming pitch (especially if he doesn't see he got the wrong pitch until it's too late in his swing or too late to start his swing depending on if he's early or late or fooled on movement and/or speed). If I adjust correctly (timing and PCI are in the right spot for what I got) it doesn't matter because I "guessed wrong" so I'm still penalized - even though my PCI and timing say I actually adjusted correctly. The usual randomness still applies, but negative events shouldn't get a higher chance as though I was fooled, even if I wasn't.

-The penalties don't consider ratings. In the real game, vision is one thing hitters can use to try to adjust. The VIS rating should govern the impact of the penalties. Higher VIS players are better able to adapt (by definition of the VIS rating), so they should suffer less penalties. That would fall in line with the abstraction the VIS rating is supposed to provide.

-On Timing or any other interface that doesn't give PCI control, looking in a location doesn't influence the PCI placement. If a hitter is looking in, the PCI should be more likely centered around the inside zone I'm looking for. This would aid in having VIS mean more for adjusting (since it factors in PCI size). It doesn't make sense if I "tell" the hitter to look in and he's still swinging all over the place and not even giving a sign he's trying to adjust to the pitch (it's down and away, he's swinging up middle and is guessing middle in).


I think those are the three big reasons why I stay away from the feature and just "guess in my head".

That way, I'm still possibly getting fooled, but if I do adjust (or get what I'm looking for and execute on it), the feature doesn't get in the way and it's just the usual hitting mechanics.

[Bobhead]

Re: Anyone think guess pitch is kinda stupid?

I think some parts of it are unrealistic, even within the construct of the video game (i.e. ignoring the whole "real hitters don't get flashing icons" thing).

-The penalties are always there. In the real game, it would depend on just how badly the hitter reacts to what he's not looking for (assuming he swings at all) on top of the usual location impacts. "Guessing wrong" would just make him more likely to have bad reactions to the incoming pitch (especially if he doesn't see he got the wrong pitch until it's too late in his swing or too late to start his swing depending on if he's early or late or fooled on movement and/or speed). If I adjust correctly (timing and PCI are in the right spot for what I got) it doesn't matter because I "guessed wrong" so I'm still penalized - even though my PCI and timing say I actually adjusted correctly. The usual randomness still applies, but negative events shouldn't get a higher chance as though I was fooled, even if I wasn't.

That's true, I would like to see different degrees of "wrongness," if you will. If I'm a real life hitter, and I guess changeup and I get a curveball, am I really that far off? It's the same tier of speed, and the break is in the same direction (down). Odds are I'd adjust that fine, maybe not even suffer a loss in contact at all. Conversely, if I guess curveball and get a fastball, I probably don't stand a chance.

-On Timing or any other interface that doesn't give PCI control, looking in a location doesn't influence the PCI placement. If a hitter is looking in, the PCI should be more likely centered around the inside zone I'm looking for. This would aid in having VIS mean more for adjusting (since it factors in PCI size). It doesn't make sense if I "tell" the hitter to look in and he's still swinging all over the place and not even giving a sign he's trying to adjust to the pitch (it's down and away, he's swinging up middle and is guessing middle in).


I think those are the three big reasons why I stay away from the feature and just "guess in my head".

That way, I'm still possibly getting fooled, but if I do adjust (or get what I'm looking for and execute on it), the feature doesn't get in the way and it's just the usual hitting mechanics.

Agreed, that's why I don't use it either. I feel better off just actually guessing in my head and adjusting accordingly

[Blzer]

Re: Anyone think guess pitch is kinda stupid?

I despise the guess pitch feature.

[Steven78]

Re: Anyone think guess pitch is kinda stupid?

Not using guess pitch made me a better hitter. I used to rely on it and once I stopped I never went back. That was back in 2010 I believe.

[Kaiser Wilhelm]

Re: Anyone think guess pitch is kinda stupid?

I don't guess the pitch, but I do like having all of the previous pitches show up when I hold the trigger down. It's nice to see how a guy pitched a batter previously. Something a hitter only has to remember for himself and we have to remember for 9+ guys.