Analog hitting changed or not?

[countryboy]

Re: Analog hitting changed or not?

So over a quarter of all OS-ers used Analog...

And Analog is still in the game.

[sroz39]

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lmao highly unlikely

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-favorite.html

So almost 1 in 5 people used Pure Analog and like the poster above mentioned, over a quarter of the people polled used some sort of Analog interface. On OS, the land of the Sim, that's no small number. I was actually surprised to see that. I would have sworn less than 5% of OS'ers used any sort of Analog Hitting.

It makes it more disappointing, not less. Do I think it'll matter in the grand scheme of scores and ratings and things like that? No, I doubt it. But at this point, why would I get comfortable using anything but Zone hitting, knowing if a particular interface isn't popular enough, it'll just get taken out?

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[HustlinOwl]

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So almost 1 in 5 people used Pure Analog and like the poster above mentioned, over a quarter of the people polled used some sort of Analog interface. On OS, the land of the Sim, that's no small number. I was actually surprised to see that. I would have sworn less than 5% of OS'ers used any sort of Analog Hitting.

It makes it more disappointing, not less. Do I think it'll matter in the grand scheme of scores and ratings and things like that? No, I doubt it. But at this point, why would I get comfortable using anything but Zone hitting, knowing if a particular interface isn't popular enough, it'll just get taken out?

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like Russell said

While there are a handful of people on OS who might not like it there could be 300k who love the change that don't post here. See the predicament? We can't judge the popularity of something good or bad entirely by what people post on forums because we are talking about a very very small % of the user base that's vocal.

[kehlis]

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So almost 1 in 5 people used Pure Analog and like the poster above mentioned, over a quarter of the people polled used some sort of Analog interface. On OS, the land of the Sim, that's no small number. I was actually surprised to see that. I would have sworn less than 5% of OS'ers used any sort of Analog Hitting.

It makes it more disappointing, not less. Do I think it'll matter in the grand scheme of scores and ratings and things like that? No, I doubt it. But at this point, why would I get comfortable using anything but Zone hitting, knowing if a particular interface isn't popular enough, it'll just get taken out?

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Actually it's not surprising that more people here would use analog.

I would imagine that 25% of OS users using it is far greater than the percentage of all users playing.

It's pretty safe to assume this is research that was done and not just something they decided to do just for the hell of it.

[Bobhead]

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Actually it's not surprising that more people here would use analog.

I would imagine that 25% of OS users using it is far greater than the percentage of all users playing.

It's pretty safe to assume this is research that was done and not just something they decided to do just for the hell of it.

You're telling me they didn't just follow the directions on the UNO card that they drew?

[Will I Am]

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And Analog is still in the game.

In dummy form.

[countryboy]

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In dummy form.

Well that is to be seen when people get their hands on the game and try it out.

My response was in regards to Bobhead stating that over a quarter of OS'ers used Analog, and I was merely pointing out that Analog is still an option in the game.

Not directed solely at you, but I'm surprised more people don't take the approach of seeing how this new modified version plays out before screaming the sky is falling. I understand that people are reluctant to change and that people are comfortable with the controls they play, but hasn't this dev team at least earned enough respect that users will try out the new option before completely chastising them?

[Will I Am]

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Well that is to be seen when people get their hands on the game and try it out.

My response was in regards to Bobhead stating that over a quarter of OS'ers used Analog, and I was merely pointing out that Analog is still an option in the game.

Not directed solely at you, but I'm surprised more people don't take the approach of seeing how this new modified version plays out before screaming the sky is falling. I understand that people are reluctant to change and that people are comfortable with the controls they play, but hasn't this dev team at least earned enough respect that users will try out the new option before completely chastising them?

Fair enough.

My concern is they are claiming the stride was removed to simplify things, that usually doesn't bode well.

[sroz39]

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I respect a lot of the guys posting in this thread saying it won't be that bad or try this new way before you make a judgment. What's getting lost in this whole thing is the reason why people liked the old analog way, the fundamental change they're making to this interface, is no longer a part of it. The stride and timing aspect is what made the Analog interface for me. It came the closest to replicating hitting a real baseball for me. I don't need to try the new way to know how it works. Based on the description, its pretty easy to see it will be very similar to 2K's analog hitting. Much like when these analog interfaces were first introduced, based on descriptions and such, we on these boards drew comparisons to EA's Rock N Fire Pitching and their analog hitting systems.

And we were right. To me, there's nothing analog about moving zone or directional hitting functionality and moving it to the stick. What made Pure Analog so great is it was fundamentally different from Zone or Timing. Most people on here love those interfaces. I'm not telling you you shouldn't. Everyone likes to play the game their own way. My way of playing this game is being taken away from me.

No two ways about it, its very disappointing. When years and years go by and I'm told "we never take things out, just add to the game" and then you take out the way I play the game, I'm sorry, but it sucks. There's a trust factor involved and I never would have thought THIS dev team would go back on their word.

Call it hyperbole, whatever is fine by me: I trust these guys a little less this year than I did every other. And I absolutely love this game and the involvement they have with this and other Show communities. I bought a launch day 360 and because I had more disposable income, I bought a PS3 for The Show 07. It was the only game I played on it besides Uncharted and Heavy Rain. I had less disposable income this time around so when it came time to pick a next gen system, I chose a PS4 because of this game. My love for the game and this sport in general, is one of the few things I'm passionate about.

Bottom line, I'm buying the game. Waiting for EB up here in Canada to get the go ahead to sell the tin box for $10 extra because that's the one I want. But my excitement is a little more subdued. I love cracking the game open, playing a home and home exhibition series as my Jays against the Orioles (love the unis and that stadium) and beginning the process of getting the timing down on my Jays players' strides so I can go into a Franchise with a little bit of confidence. Don't even get me started on how, in RTTS, when I faced a top pitcher, it would mess with my head sometimes so much because I just couldn't get comfortable enough in the box to get my timing down. Just like when I played when I was younger.

I will experience none of that this year because, for the first time in as long as I can remember in this series, something was taken OUT of the game. And it extra hurts because it was my single favorite addition to the game way back when

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[Madden's Jowels]

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Don't even get me started on how, in RTTS, when I faced a top pitcher, it would mess with my head sometimes so much because I just couldn't get comfortable enough in the box to get my timing down. Just like when I played when I was younger.

Great post, and I wanted to highlight this part because it does a great job of summarizing what made pure analog so great.

Every pitcher's delivery is different, with different times to the plate, and then you add in the stretch being mixed in (and the slide step this year), and when you add all that up it means that every at bat was different and challenging to get that timing down. Now you don't need to worry about it. Just push up. That sounds a lot like "just push X."

[HustlinOwl]

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Fair enough.

My concern is they are claiming the stride was removed to simplify things, that usually doesn't bode well.

sounds like it was my past experience stride timing also moved PCI either high or low (early/late)

[sroz39]

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Great post, and I wanted to highlight this part because it does a great job of summarizing what made pure analog so great.

Every pitcher's delivery is different, with different times to the plate, and then you add in the stretch being mixed in (and the slide step this year), and when you add all that up it means that every at bat was different and challenging to get that timing down. Now you don't need to worry about it. Just push up. That sounds a lot like "just push X."

I remember in The Show 14, I was playing as the Indians in one of my test franchises, in an interleague game against the Padres and I want to say I was facing Ian Kennedy. Can't remember 100%

Anyway, the Padres were slowly building up a sizeable lead and got out in front 5-0 by the 5th. Kennedy was dealing. I think I had two hits and a walk to that point. I start studying the Pitcher/Batter analysis and notice a lot of changeups. Sure enough, his confidence in his changeup was almost full, every other pitch halfway or so. I notice he uses it as his out pitch.

Long story short, I claw back to 5-3 by the time I get to the 7th inning with 1 out after a solo homer. I try and be a little more patient so I can chase this guy out of the game and end up walking with the next two guys, coincidentally. I have Carlos Santana coming up with two on. The at bat gets to a full count. Next pitch, changeup. Way ahead of it, foul ball. Next pitch changeup, same thing, way ahead of it, foul ball. I think to myself, no way he's going to throw a 3rd changeup in a row but whatever, I'm gonna sit on a changeup. I have an out to play with with Jason Kipnis behind me.

Santana's stride is a pain to get down at the best of times, its really long. But on that pitch, everything was perfect. Stride timing was money, I sat on a changeup even though in my mind I wanted to swing at a fastball speed, and sure enough I absolutely CRUSHED the ball to right-centre. 3 run bomb, go up 6-5, end up winning the game in the end.

I played countless games and because of the Pure Analog system, I remember that one so vividly almost a year later. Crazy. It replicates keeping your hands back on an off-speed pitch and I've never had a better feeling in a sports game than that at-bat, that one pitch and how everything came together.

Those and the smaller, not-quite-as-memorable, moments I'm really going to miss. Pushing a button can't replicate what happened in that game.

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[Chai2112]

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Well said, sroz39. Just to add in my two cents, I am disappointed and will definitely miss zone plus analog, as that was the most realistic batting simulation I've ever experienced. I'm sure I'll get used to the new system, but it will probably in a lot of ways feel like a step back to MLB The Shows from 4, 5 years ago, before we all got super excited about realistically controlling the stride.

[Nando12]

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I remember in The Show 14, I was playing as the Indians in one of my test franchises, in an interleague game against the Padres and I want to say I was facing Ian Kennedy. Can't remember 100%

Anyway, the Padres were slowly building up a sizeable lead and got out in front 5-0 by the 5th. Kennedy was dealing. I think I had two hits and a walk to that point. I start studying the Pitcher/Batter analysis and notice a lot of changeups. Sure enough, his confidence in his changeup was almost full, every other pitch halfway or so. I notice he uses it as his out pitch.

Long story short, I claw back to 5-3 by the time I get to the 7th inning with 1 out after a solo homer. I try and be a little more patient so I can chase this guy out of the game and end up walking with the next two guys, coincidentally. I have Carlos Santana coming up with two on. The at bat gets to a full count. Next pitch, changeup. Way ahead of it, foul ball. Next pitch changeup, same thing, way ahead of it, foul ball. I think to myself, no way he's going to throw a 3rd changeup in a row but whatever, I'm gonna sit on a changeup. I have an out to play with with Jason Kipnis behind me.

Santana's stride is a pain to get down at the best of times, its really long. But on that pitch, everything was perfect. Stride timing was money, I sat on a changeup even though in my mind I wanted to swing at a fastball speed, and sure enough I absolutely CRUSHED the ball to right-centre. 3 run bomb, go up 6-5, end up winning the game in the end.

I played countless games and because of the Pure Analog system, I remember that one so vividly almost a year later. Crazy. It replicates keeping your hands back on an off-speed pitch and I've never had a better feeling in a sports game than that at-bat, that one pitch and how everything came together.

Those and the smaller, not-quite-as-memorable, moments I'm really going to miss. Pushing a button can't replicate what happened in that game.

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I almost shed a tear at how beautiful that story was 😢. I feel exactly the same as you concerning the rewarding feeling of adjusting your stride to each pitcher & the type of pitch he has been relying on.

The only time I ever tried any other swing type was in the Home Run Derby's & none of them felt as satisfying as pure analog.

I was on the fence about getting the game this year, & this is easily enough to keep me from getting it.

[ARoid1313]

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I almost shed a tear at how beautiful that story was 😢. I feel exactly the same as you concerning the rewarding feeling of adjusting your stride to each pitcher & the type of pitch he has been relying on.



The only time I ever tried any other swing type was in the Home Run Derby's & none of them felt as satisfying as pure analog.



I was on the fence about getting the game this year, & this is easily enough to keep me from getting it.

I feel the exact same. This game is a guarantee buy for me every year, I always create a ton of players also cause I love the series..
However this is such a huge step back in my opinion, I haven't played it yet but it's unfortunate that some strategy and a general sense of accomplishment will now be gone for us analog users.. I'm on the fence, and my excitement for the upcoming game has been significantly reduced. I still play 14 like crazy, so it's tough cause I love the game and want the new features but not if I have more enjoyment playing the current title