MLB 15 trade discussion thread

[Artoman2014]

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I am doing a Arizona Diamondbacks franshise.
I want to trade for Trevor Bauer.
Would a package of Mark Trumbo, Allen Webster, and Gerald Laird be fair?
Thanks in advance!

[AC]

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No that's entirely fair. Aybar is likely too much to get. I think the fact that framing isn't reflected in WAR means it's a little much to factor into a video game. I like realism but it's a metric that is hardly applied to this point. Some MLB teams don't seem to factor it in yet.

My gripe is more that Navarro has some value, not no value. Teams could use a guy like him in a platoon behind the plate who's hitting .284 over the past 3 seasons as a catcher. That's some value to me.

And if the Angels traded Conger you know they don't really value pitch framing.

The issue is Navarro isn't very good on offense, either, and his non-framing defense is bad as well. I don't know how you can just include defense and not framing when there's plenty of data available. Some teams don't use statistics at all so saying that certain teams don't really value framing is saying like some teams don't really value OBP or FIP; true, but not really to the point.

[grushcow]

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The issue is Navarro isn't very good on offense, either, and his non-framing defense is bad as well. I don't know how you can just include defense and not framing when there's plenty of data available. Some teams don't use statistics at all so saying that certain teams don't really value framing is saying like some teams don't really value OBP or FIP; true, but not really to the point.

I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying. But a guy as a secondary catcher that hits .284 holds value to me. Not a ton of catchers getting hits at that rate for his salary. That's really my only point honestly.

I'd say value wise he's a peg below Derek Norris, and Norris brought back Jesse Hahn.

[CameRoN0407]

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I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying. But a guy as a secondary catcher that hits .284 holds value to me. Not a ton of catchers getting hits at that rate for his salary. That's really my only point honestly.

Average is pretty outdated and doesn't tell you much. Especially with the progression of advanced statistics in baseball, there are better stats to just a player's productivity. OBP was .317, SLG was under .400. wRC+ under 100. Barely serviceable IMO. Not worth Aybar straight up.

I am doing a Arizona Diamondbacks franshise.
I want to trade for Trevor Bauer.
Would a package of Mark Trumbo, Allen Webster, and Gerald Laird be fair?
Thanks in advance!

None of those guys really hold much value. Maybe you could swing a deal centered around Trumbo, maybe.

[grushcow]

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Average is pretty outdated and doesn't tell you much. Especially with the progression of advanced statistics in baseball, there are better stats to just a player's productivity. OBP was .317, SLG was under .400. wRC+ under 100. Barely serviceable IMO. Not worth Aybar straight up.

Again I agree. I've likened him to Norris a bit, step below. That's why I included Santana since their SP depth is weak and he's a solid rated player in the game, just with injury issues.

[CameRoN0407]

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Again I agree. I've likened him to Norris a bit, step below. That's why I included Santana since their SP depth is weak and he's a solid rated player in the game, just with injury issues.

Santana isn't valuable either. He hasn't pitched in the MLB since 2012. He's the type of guy you sign in FA and hope he does good, not trade a very serviceable SS for.

Navarro is nowhere near Norris. Norris is an On-base type hitter, Navarro relies on just getting hits.

[grushcow]

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Santana isn't valuable either. He hasn't pitched in the MLB since 2012. He's the type of guy you sign in FA and hope he does good, not trade a very serviceable SS for.

Navarro is nowhere near Norris. Norris is an On-base type hitter, Navarro relies on just getting hits.

As I said basing it more on on game rating there.

Navarro was a 4 WAR the past 2 years. Positive defensively, slightly below average offensively.

Norris was a 4.8 WAR. Slightly negative defensively, solid offensively.

Maybe Navarro + Tirado would be a better framework.

Honeslty just trying to find fair value, not trying to argue merit.

[CameRoN0407]

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As I said basing it more on on game rating there.

Navarro was a 4 WAR the past 2 years. Positive defensively, slightly below average offensively.

Norris was a 4.8 WAR. Slightly negative defensively, solid offensively.

Maybe Navarro + Tirado would be a better framework.

Honeslty just trying to find fair value, not trying to argue merit.

Are you going for realism? I don't think we've established that yet.

I thought you said defense didn't matter in the show?

Exact opposites. Don't see how they seem alike.

I don't think Tirado would be traded after the year he had. Doesn't have much value. More of the PTBNL type.

The trade you offered wasn't fair. Johan has 0 value, and Navarro has little, while Aybar has good value. Maybe try centering a deal around a pitcher. Like you said, the Angels really lack depth there. They can live without a catcher as Ianetta is serviceable.

[grushcow]

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Are you going for realism? I don't think we've established that yet.

I thought you said defense didn't matter in the show?

Exact opposites. Don't see how they seem alike.

I don't think Tirado would be traded after the year he had. Doesn't have much value. More of the PTBNL type.

The trade you offered wasn't fair. Johan has 0 value, and Navarro has little, while Aybar has good value. Maybe try centering a deal around a pitcher. Like you said, the Angels really lack depth there. They can live without a catcher as Ianetta is serviceable.

I'm kind of going back and forth and it's been a heavy day of drinking cause the Jays were playing. Clearly not doing a good job of being clear haha, that's on me.

I do prefer realism. I just haven't gotten a value I like for Navarro. I want to add speed to the bench and have a guy who can backup Reyes at SS. Lets stick with realism. I guess a poor man's Aybar. Santana was just an example, a starter a few years away with upside would be tradable too.

[AC]

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Looking for a rental SP. Periphs are stable at my point of the year but trades won't start for about a month so things can change.

Jordan Zimmerman has a FIP around 3.1 with 7.5/1.9/0.7 K/BB/HR slash.

Zack Greinke 8.1/1.9/1.12

Jeff Samardzija 10.7/5.2/1.9 (what even)

David Price 9.8/3.3/0.53

Scott Kazmir 8.8/2.4/1.1

Hisashi Iwakuma 6.9/3.1/1.5

Thoughts on prices? Spreadsheet not ready yet lol

[CameRoN0407]

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I'm kind of going back and forth and it's been a heavy day of drinking cause the Jays were playing. Clearly not doing a good job of being clear haha, that's on me.

I do prefer realism. I just haven't gotten a value I like for Navarro. I want to add speed to the bench and have a guy who can backup Reyes at SS. Lets stick with realism. I guess a poor man's Aybar. Santana was just an example, a starter a few years away with upside would be tradable too.

Understandable.

Zach Duke has a 99 speed, maybe you should look at him .

Aybar as a backup? Eh, he doesn't seem a fit to not be playing everyday. Maybe move him to second and go Mookie Betts on Travis, or look at other options. I'll give you a few in a minute.

[grushcow]

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Understandable.

Zach Duke has a 99 speed, maybe you should look at him .

Aybar as a backup? Eh, he doesn't seem a fit to not be playing everyday. Maybe move him to second and go Mookie Betts on Travis, or look at other options. I'll give you a few in a minute.

Hahha I head about Duke...that's lost resort haha. I like Travis a fair bit, so I'd rather have a complimentary piece. That's why I'd prefer a guy who slashes well against RHP. But it's not a must. It's more to protect against a Reyes injury and keep him around 120-130 game a season. I want SPEED off the bench. With Gose gone I gotta get creative.

[CameRoN0407]

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Looking for a rental SP. Periphs are stable at my point of the year but trades won't start for about a month so things can change.

Jordan Zimmerman has a FIP around 3.1 with 7.5/1.9/0.7 K/BB/HR slash.

Zack Greinke 8.1/1.9/1.12

Jeff Samardzija 10.7/5.2/1.9 (what even)

David Price 9.8/3.3/0.53

Scott Kazmir 8.8/2.4/1.1

Hisashi Iwakuma 6.9/3.1/1.5

Thoughts on prices? Spreadsheet not ready yet lol

Honestly, I got nothing. Rentals are the hardest prices to gauge. I always end up overpricing them. I'll take a shot:

Zimm: Low A; Mid B; Low B

Grenkie: Low A; High B

Samardzija: High B; low B

David Price: mid A; High B; High B; mid C

Kazmir: Mid B; Low B/High C; High C

Iwakuma: High B; Low B

Just my thoughts. Probably waaaaaaay off, but I hate gauging rentals.

Hahha I head about Duke...that's lost resort haha. I like Travis a fair bit, so I'd rather have a complimentary piece. That's why I'd prefer a guy who slashes well against RHP. But it's not a must. It's more to protect against a Reyes injury and keep him around 120-130 game a season. I want SPEED off the bench. With Gose gone I gotta get creative.

Wait, do you want a SS with speed, or a speedster AND a SS?

[grushcow]

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Wait, do you want a SS with speed, or a speedster AND a SS?

I want a SS with speed. Like 70+ at least. Realistically 80+ since speed is the biggest thing I'm looking for.

[Bard]

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Looking for a rental SP. Periphs are stable at my point of the year but trades won't start for about a month so things can change.

Jordan Zimmerman has a FIP around 3.1 with 7.5/1.9/0.7 K/BB/HR slash.

Zack Greinke 8.1/1.9/1.12

Jeff Samardzija 10.7/5.2/1.9 (what even)

David Price 9.8/3.3/0.53

Scott Kazmir 8.8/2.4/1.1

Hisashi Iwakuma 6.9/3.1/1.5

Thoughts on prices? Spreadsheet not ready yet lol

Low A + Low B
A + B
High B + low B
Two A's
Two mid B's
Two low B's


Like Cam said, hard to try and work on rentals but I tried my best.


So uhh, Mujica...what do you guys think I can get for him, if anything, once OSFM drop?