Anyone else noticing CPU cheese?

[bcruise]

Re: Anyone else noticing CPU cheese?

Steps for providing examples of AI "cheese":

- Press Share Button

- Press Options button and select "Share Settings" from the slide-in

- Select Video Clip Settings and set Length of Video Clip to something short (3 minutes should be enough for most at-bats unless you're watching all the scenes)

- Play game until CPU "cheeses" you

- Immediately press Share, and the Square button to save the video clip (it will have been recording however long you told it to a few steps ago)

- Select upload video clip and choose one of the three sites to upload to and follow the prompts (this might require creating an account, which would be the longest step of any of these)

- Once uploaded, post a link to the video in this thread (assuming it stays open, that is).

The PS4 has the tools. Use them.

[OhioCub]

Re: Anyone else noticing CPU cheese?

LOL, yeah never fails that some feel there is a code in the game that makes the AI come back on you, in any sports game.


This must be what happened to theReds 2012 team,lol, the Giants must have had a comeback code in them, because they did it to us and the Cards. Here all along us Reds fans thought it was just the idiot Dusty Bakers fault we had a historically collapse,lol.


I cant say I have ever felt there was a comeback code in MLBTS, or for that matter in any sports game, although have I often thought people might have a legit argument with NBA2k having 1.

Funny you say that about the 2012 Giants because that made me realize the 2003 marlins had a comeback code too. Everyone can blame bartman or whoever or whatever else but none of those had anything to do with it, it was all comeback code.

[Knight165]

Re: Anyone else noticing CPU cheese?

Thanks Mike or WoodWeaver so can you please explain whats going on with the programming late innings ?

Does it really matter what anyone says?
The devs have repeatedly stated that the coding and logic throughout the game....from 1st pitch of the season to the last and all the way through runs the same chances with no extra boosts....sudden slants in hitting/pitching.....scripted play
I've heard the "I know it's coming" line for years.
Have always asked that the game gets paused...saved...uploaded and then tell us "what's going to happen" so the community can see if these claims hold water.
Zilch. For YEARS.

So I ask you.....does what you're asking REALLY matter?

I'll say honestly....no.

M.K.
Knight165

[THESHAMISASHAME]

Re: Anyone else noticing CPU cheese?

Does it really matter what anyone says?
The devs have repeatedly stated that the coding and logic throughout the game....from 1st pitch of the season to the last and all the way through runs the same chances with no extra boosts....sudden slants in hitting/pitching.....scripted play
I've heard the "I know it's coming" line for years.
Have always asked that the game gets paused...saved...uploaded and then tell us "what's going to happen" so the community can see if these claims hold water.
Zilch. For YEARS.

So I ask you.....does what you're asking REALLY matter?

I'll say honestly....no.

M.K.
Knight165

Fair enough and not everyone here calls it a comeback code so does pitcher confidence still play a huge role like I described above with my add on ?

and for the record not everyone is calling this a comeback its a boost as he described in the late innings kinda like if your reliever gives up a hit right when he comes in your almost better off bringing in a new pitcher do to his hit in confidence or even better leaving in your setup man to close the game that has full confidence and that also isnt realistic .
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[nomo17k]

Re: Anyone else noticing CPU cheese?

Those who feels that CPU cheats or gets boost in certain situations, it is DEFINITELY not any scripting or forced situations that lead to your frustrations.

Unless you guys stop distracting any discussions related to topics that might potentially touch on the issue (by how you do not trust the words directly from the devs and constantly bringing up your conspiracy theories), you are unfortunately doing disservice to your own cause by preventing any potential "improvements" that could actually come out from more meaningful discussions.

Over the years, the several SDS devs have been pretty open about discussing the internals of the game, and because of that we get to learn quite a bit about the game. We should be building on that common knowledge.

I assure you that the devs are actually taking the feedback from those who feel "cheated" at times quite seriously. If you want some substantial change, though, you need to provide more meaningful feedback than simply accusing the game of mechanisms that do not exist.

[bcruise]

Re: Anyone else noticing CPU cheese?

The thing about this whole issue is that I really believe both camps see the same thing, but they see it in two different ways. I will be the first to admit that crazy stuff happens on HOF pitching and above. This, for example, made me want to toss a controller fastball through my TV:

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Y2sU_G_rgok?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Carlos Martinez's Contact vs RHP rating: 2. He shouldn't be going Vlad Guererro - period. Especially after flailing at a similar pitch just before it. I don't feel like the "it's baseball" line applies in this case.

But it doesn't happen because the game scripted it to, or because I was up one run. It's because HOF does boost the CPU's attributes, but it does so for the entire game - always, when you play on that level. I believe we've been told that before by the devs (though I don't remember where), and it's been evident in past years by the size of the CPU's PCI as compared to your own.

I very,very rarely see things like the above happen on All-Star, because it's intended to be more balanced.

I want to like HOF - a boosted CPU puts the fear of being punished for mistakes into you and causes you to pitch more cautiously, thus giving up walks. But it's pretty immersion breaking when a play like the above happens.

[cusefan74]

Re: Anyone else noticing CPU cheese?

Yesterday I play against the Braves and I'm leading going into the 9th 4-2. I end up losing 5-4. Comeback code? CPU cheesing? No, I just blew a save, period. My closer was missing his marks and they took advantage of that.

Today I play the Nationals and win 10-0 and give up only 2 hits. Then I beat the Tigers 1-0 after that. If the CPU is cheesing how come I ran away from the Nats, and then I was able to win a 1-0 game against the Tigers?

Oh, by the way, I used the same guy to close out the Tigers that blew the save 2 games before.

[HozAndMoose]

Re: Anyone else noticing CPU cheese?

The thing about this whole issue is that I really believe both camps see the same thing, but they see it in two different ways. I will be the first to admit that crazy stuff happens on HOF pitching and above. This, for example, made me want to toss a controller fastball through my TV:

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Y2sU_G_rgok?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Carlos Martinez's Contact vs RHP rating: 2. He shouldn't be going Vlad Guererro - period. Especially after flailing at a similar pitch just before it. I don't feel like the "it's baseball" line applies in this case.

But it doesn't happen because the game scripted it to, or because I was up one run. It's because HOF does boost the CPU's attributes, but it does so for the entire game - always, when you play on that level. I believe we've been told that before by the devs (though I don't remember where), and it's been evident in past years by the size of the CPU's PCI as compared to your own.

I very,very rarely see things like the above happen on All-Star, because it's intended to be more balanced.

I want to like HOF - a boosted CPU puts the fear of being punished for mistakes into you and causes you to pitch more cautiously, thus giving up walks. But it's pretty immersion breaking when a play like the above happens.

Thats just baseball to me though. Things can happen at anytime that everyone knows probably shouldnt have. Im pretty confident i could get a hit if you give me 100 chances. Ive never played baseball at all.

[Padgoi]

Re: Anyone else noticing CPU cheese?

Does it really matter what anyone says?
The devs have repeatedly stated that the coding and logic throughout the game....from 1st pitch of the season to the last and all the way through runs the same chances with no extra boosts....sudden slants in hitting/pitching.....scripted play
I've heard the "I know it's coming" line for years.
Have always asked that the game gets paused...saved...uploaded and then tell us "what's going to happen" so the community can see if these claims hold water.
Zilch. For YEARS.

So I ask you.....does what you're asking REALLY matter?

I'll say honestly....no.

M.K.
Knight165

Let me ask you a question.
For someone who claims to be a pillar of the show community and who has nothing but good intentions for the game and the community, is it possible for you to broach this subject without being so insulting and pompous? Perhaps instead of claiming the game doesn't have any special code and asking us to provide proof, why don't you provide proof that there isn't other than a developer, who would stand to lose their job and sales, claiming there isn't? Do you have coding proof that there isn't? Didn't think so.

As I said, I'm a firm believer that the CPU is either given a boost or the strike zone is intentionally shrunk in the later innings of a close game to promote competition. Do I have proof of this? Only my personal experiences. Am I allowed to have an opinion on the subject? Damn straight, just as much as you are.

[bcruise]

Re: Anyone else noticing CPU cheese?

Those who feels that CPU cheats or gets boost in certain situations, it is DEFINITELY not any scripting or forced situations that lead to your frustrations.

Unless you guys stop distracting any discussions related to topics that might potentially touch on the issue (by how you do not trust the words directly from the devs and constantly bringing up your conspiracy theories), you are unfortunately doing disservice to your own cause by preventing any potential "improvements" that could actually come out from more meaningful discussions.

Over the years, the several SDS devs have been pretty open about discussing the internals of the game, and because of that we get to learn quite a bit about the game. We should be building on that common knowledge.

I assure you that the devs are actually taking the feedback from those who feel "cheated" at times quite seriously. If you want some substantial change, though, you need to provide more meaningful feedback than simply accusing the game of mechanisms that do not exist.

Seems like a good time to quote this.

I tried.

[BL8001]

Re: Anyone else noticing CPU cheese?

I have never thought there was scripting in this game before 15.

I am still fighting thinking it exists...but, like bcruise showed above, baseball logic of pitching down to influence ground balls seems ignored by the game engine.

I wrote elsewhere here about playing the cpu O's in DD mode. I have machado in my squad so it was me machado and cpu machado.

Cpu machado went 5-5. Including hitting 2 homers on sinkers I threw down in the zone. Both would have been balls if he had taken them. How he got the bat under to elevate I will never know because the replay made no sense, line drive over 2nd base? Ok but no, homers.

Meanwhile my machado got a fastball up that was a borderline meatball I timed perfectly and popped up for an easy out.

I dont want this to be the case, but I am starting to feel scripting in the hitting. Bizarre things are happening with batting and the results dont match the situations so I am having a hard time matching up the incongruencies with what I have seen watching real baseball all my life. Or even just playing all the releases of the show.

There are times in this game where situations happen and you feel in your soul what should happen yet what plays out is not it.

Miggy squares up a 2 seamer thrown middle in and grounds out weakly to first? What?

All this being said, something still draws me in and I keep playing.

[CujoMatty]

Re: Anyone else noticing CPU cheese?

Let me ask you a question.
For someone who claims to be a pillar of the show community and who has nothing but good intentions for the game and the community, is it possible for you to broach this subject without being so insulting and pompous? Perhaps instead of claiming the game doesn't have any special code and asking us to provide proof, why don't you provide proof that there isn't other than a developer, who would stand to lose their job and sales, claiming there isn't? Do you have coding proof that there isn't? Didn't think so.

As I said, I'm a firm believer that the CPU is either given a boost or the strike zone is intentionally shrunk in the later innings of a close game to promote competition. Do I have proof of this? Only my personal experiences. Am I allowed to have an opinion on the subject? Damn straight, just as much as you are.

This thread winds up this way every year.
There are people that feel the gameplay has comeback code, a boost, cheese, whatever you want to call it.
then there are people that defend the game and say it doesn't exist.
it turns into a huge debacle every year.
I think you are absolutely right in that your allowed your opinion. I also feel like the people who believe the game doesn't have comeback code, a boost, cheese, should just stay away from the thread because to me all the thread is is people venting. Let em. Who cares.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Anyone else noticing CPU cheese?

Let me ask you a question.
For someone who claims to be a pillar of the show community and who has nothing but good intentions for the game and the community, is it possible for you to broach this subject without being so insulting and pompous? Perhaps instead of claiming the game doesn't have any special code and asking us to provide proof, why don't you provide proof that there isn't other than a developer, who would stand to lose their job and sales, claiming there isn't? Do you have coding proof that there isn't? Didn't think so.

As I said, I'm a firm believer that the CPU is either given a boost or the strike zone is intentionally shrunk in the later innings of a close game to promote competition. Do I have proof of this? Only my personal experiences. Am I allowed to have an opinion on the subject? Damn straight, just as much as you are.

Please, explain this to me.

Two games ago I won 12-3. It wasn't even close.

Now I'm about to lose 6-0 (probably worse).

If a code like this existed, and blowouts like I see all the time are possible, wouldn't you have to agree that not only would complex comeback logic programming exist, but that it would also have to be SO COMPLEX that it could situationally turn itself off too?

Under what criteria would it do that? Did the game feel mercy on me and "let me win" 12-3? Is it now getting back at me while I'm down 6-0? Does it do it just for divisional games or when you're up 10 or more in the standings?

If it existed it would have to follow these sorts of rules. Which is totally absurd so why don't any of you believers think about these things? Or are you telling me you've never ever ever ever ever ever seen a blowout??? Because if you have you have to consider my question. Or consider it couldn't possibly exist. For the latter, we could at least have a conversation about real improvements the series could make.

As long as we're talking make believe, that can never happen.

[Bullit]

Re: Anyone else noticing CPU cheese?

UH-OH I see where this one is ending up...........

Yup called it right the first time...................

[prestwood90]

Re: Anyone else noticing CPU cheese?

This same convo is in every sports game thread I read through.......my question is if the cpu never does anything out of the ordinary or makes spectacular comebacks then how is that truly replicating real life? Crazy stuff happens in sports all the time that can't be explained......if everything in the game happened just like it "should " then that would be very boring to me.....just my opinion