I think the (Human) timing window really needs to be expanded

[Bobhead]

Re: I think the (Human) timing window really needs to be expanded

The alarming thing is you're recommending a series altering change to be made with a emphasis on changing the timing window by some mechanism. Based on my experiences with the game, I can't imagine anything like this needs to be done. My main gripe is, I don't want to see a drastic change made within an area that ultimately isn't necessary if user input could've solved the problem alone (ie proper settings, or mastery of control schemes, etc).

The alarming thing is that you continue to derail the thread with baseless opinions when you have admittedly not touched the game. I'm going to be as plain as possible here. Please go away. Your opinion about a game you haven't played is about as irrelevant as it gets.

[@legendm0de]

Re: I think the (Human) timing window really needs to be expanded

The alarming thing is that you continue to derail the thread with baseless opinions when you have admittedly not touched the game. I'm going to be as plain as possible here. Please go away. Your opinion about a game you haven't played is about as irrelevant as it gets.

That's your opinion, but I certainly don't have to agree with it and I certainly don't have to go anywhere. This isn't your website incase you forgot.

[Bobhead]

Re: I think the (Human) timing window really needs to be expanded

I don't feel the same. If I want to go the other way with the ball I can. If I want to pull it, I can. I just think there is no problem with it at all.

Couldn't disagree more.

Hmm interesting... Maybe it really is just me then.

May I ask what hitting controls and difficulty level you guys play on? And... Default sliders, correct?

[Go Yankees]

Re: I think the (Human) timing window really needs to be expanded

I use timed hitting with directional hitting on, allstar all the way around, when batting i use default cam and default sliders, absolutely no problems, but i know your using zone so im not sure this will help.

[Speedy]

Re: I think the (Human) timing window really needs to be expanded

I'm really happy with physics overall this year. I can see some big improvements, on hit variety and more line drives and such...

There are only a couple of things that seem off. One of the things I feel is significantly "off"... is the timing window. When you hit in real life, there's a discernible, palpable difference in time between an early swing and a late swing. You consciously swing early when you want to pull the ball, it doesn't just happen by accident. You even see hits where the hitter was wayyyyyy out in front, but hit the ball in the right spot to where it goes into fair play somewhere.

This year in The Show I don't feel like the timing window is anywhere large enough to feel right. Just a tad late and the pitch is way off foul somewhere (and foul by a wide margin, not like down the line just foul). I dont really feel like I can wait on pitches and try to hit one down the line.

Even with the slider at 10 It just feels too condensed. I'm getting hits, don't get me wrong... I'm not saying hitting is hard. But the timing window being as small as it is takes away the satisfaction of purposely hitting the ball in a particular direction, or even purposely fouling balls off (ie swinging really late on purpose).

I think if the timing window were expanded, and foul balls were increased, the batting physics would literally be perfect this year.

Thoughts? Am I on an island all alone here? Or do other people feel the same?

I don't really have issues with fouling balls off or slapping at the ball at the last possible instance...I use contact swing once it gets 2-strikes -- have you tried that?

As far as consciously pulling the ball, that's my issue and where I agree with you; I feel like I have to be way out in front to pull a ball (especially FB). The batter usually starts his stride as soon as the pitcher almost releases the pitch but the animation doesn't start until the pitch is halfway to homeplate...maybe that's why I'm so late, the corner of my eye sees the stride start late?

[bukktown]

Re: I think the (Human) timing window really needs to be expanded

I noticed something different in regards to timing as well.

I haven't adjusted the timing slider yet because I've only played 15 games but I did drop pitch speed to 0 which may have a similar effect.

[NEOPARADIGM]

Re: I think the (Human) timing window really needs to be expanded

I was thinking about this thread during my last game and I have to say I'm pretty sure I know what you're talking about and I'm pretty sure I agree. Like the window for quality contact is several frames smaller than it has been; like say it was 18 frames before, now it's like 14-16.

That said, it could be entirely intentional and we'll just have to adjust. I've certainly made really good contact many, many times so ... is what it is.

[johntait1]

Re: I think the (Human) timing window really needs to be expanded

This is my first MLB The Show, so I can't really compare it to past games. That being said, I feel like I'm experiencing the exact same thing. The timing window just seems a bit too narrow. On fastballs, it seems like I'm almost always late. It takes me a little time to recognize that its a fastball and that its headed inside the strike zone and then I swing right away, but it is usually too late, even with slow pitchers pitching in the high eighties. On faster offspeed stuff(such hard sliders in upper 80s) its like the same thing, I really don't seem to have enough time to choose to pull the ball or go the other way. When I do try to pull the ball, it seems like I always swing too early.

[HozAndMoose]

Re: I think the (Human) timing window really needs to be expanded

That's your opinion, but I certainly don't have to agree with it and I certainly don't have to go anywhere. This isn't your website incase you forgot.

If you havent played 15 then why do you have anything to say about this at all? You have no idea if something has been changed with timing.

[kehlis]

Re: I think the (Human) timing window really needs to be expanded

That's your opinion, but I certainly don't have to agree with it and I certainly don't have to go anywhere. This isn't your website incase you forgot.

He's made it clear he's talking strictly about 15.

You don't have 15. Talking about "your history with the game" is irrelevant.

You have zero reason to post in this thread again.

Thanks.

[@legendm0de]

Re: I think the (Human) timing window really needs to be expanded

He's made it clear he's talking strictly about 15.

You don't have 15. Talking about "your history with the game" is irrelevant.

You have zero reason to post in this thread again.

Thanks.

I have 15' I haven't opened it yet. You're saying to me if I go open the game, play it and feel my experience is still similar to what I got from MLB 14 then my opinion becomes relevant but as of right now, I don't have a clue what I'm talking about? I don't understand the logic, rather I just disagree with it completely.


The premise of my comment was that I've experimented and experienced the most complicated challenges of timing on offer from MLB 14. I do understand, they opened that editions timing window compared to previous versions. With that said, I can relate to a difficulty experienced along the lines of the original poster's concern. This year they've changed the delivery of pitches and I don't have any experience first hand of that's effect on the game. However the portion of comment I was focused on was his suggestions at changes to make for future games possibly, and I'll repeat that if it's avoidable I wouldn't want big mechanical changes to be made on the batting front of this game in future editions. I'm sorry that everyone feels like I need to shutup for thinking I have a place in the discussion.

[BeatArmy]

Re: I think the (Human) timing window really needs to be expanded

I have 15' I haven't opened it yet. You're saying to me if I go open the game, play it and feel my experience is still similar to what I got from MLB 14 then my opinion becomes relevant but as of right now, I don't have a clue what I'm talking about? I don't understand the logic, rather I just disagree with it completely.
The premise of my comment was that I've experimented and experienced the most complicated challenges of timing on offer from MLB 14. I do understand, they opened that editions timing window compared to previous versions. This year they've changed the delivery of pitches and I don't have any experience first hand of that's effect on the game.

Wow, you're a truly dense human being. This is a thread about MLB 15 and the timing issues therein. You have less than nothing to contribute here and each time you open your mouth, you're like a 14 year old girl who just *has* to tell everyone something.

Put me in with the group that thinks the timing is very much different this year. After three years of '12, this year's hitting is damn near impossible. It's like playing on a TV with lag issues. If I knew I was going to hit like this, I'd play on the larger TV to appreciate the graphics while I'm losing games left, right and centre.

[kehlis]

Re: I think the (Human) timing window really needs to be expanded

I have 15' I haven't opened it yet. You're saying to me if I go open the game, play it and feel my experience is still similar to what I got from MLB 14 then my opinion becomes relevant but as of right now, I don't have a clue what I'm talking about?

Correct. He's describing a problem with 15 and it's one he didn't experience in 14 or any previous version.

I really struggle to understand why you fail to understand the fundamental conversation of the difference between last years game and this years game.

If you were to have played this years game, the one he's playing and discussing, and still disagree then it would be an actual conversation.

I don't understand the logic, rather I just disagree with it completely.
The premise of my comment was that I've experimented and experienced the most complicated challenges of timing on offer from MLB 14. I do understand, they opened that editions timing window compared to previous versions. This year they've changed the delivery of pitches and I don't have any experience first hand of that's effect on the game.

I know you are mad about the removal of pure analog.

I'm asking you as a courtesy to fellow posters not to take your frustration out on them in other threads.



Until you play 15 there is absolutely no need for you to make another post on this topic or any other's for that matter.

Take that for what it's worth.

[@legendm0de]

Re: I think the (Human) timing window really needs to be expanded

Wow, you're a truly dense human being. This is a thread about MLB 15 and the timing issues therein. You have less than nothing to contribute here and each time you open your mouth, you're like a 14 year old girl who just *has* to tell everyone something.

Put me in with the group that thinks the timing is very much different this year. After three years of '12, this year's hitting is damn near impossible. It's like playing on a TV with lag issues. If I knew I was going to hit like this, I'd play on the larger TV to appreciate the graphics while I'm losing games left, right and centre.

You guys are making it out to seem that I'm posting just to make you mad. I find it dense that I can't contribute to the discussion despite qualifying myself under unique pretenses that I already introduced. Anyhow maybe I'll go hit 1 baseball on MLB 15 The Show and qualify myself to rejoin the discussion. Until then I'll just follow the rules and never post in this thread.

[kehlis]

Re: I think the (Human) timing window really needs to be expanded

You guys are making it out to seem that I'm posting just to make you mad. I find it dense that I can't contribute to the discussion despite qualifying myself under unique pretenses that I already introduced. Anyhow maybe I'll go hit 1 baseball on MLB 15 The Show and qualify myself to rejoin the discussion. Until then I'll just follow the rules and never post in this thread.

I can assure you that taking one at bat in 15 will not qualify you to participate in this conversation.

You're going to need to get a few weeks worth of at bats before any opinion can be validated.

You may just want to sit this one out for a bit.



There is no way you can quantify an opinion of a game's mechanics on just a few at bats.

I know you know this, just making sure you know not to come back to this thread just to troll to serve your agenda.