Defensive A.I. in this game is atrocious

[Baseball Purist]

Re: Defensive A.I. in this game is atrocious

It's been atrocious for some time now. There is a reason a lot of guys go with auto fielding. Simply put, the user cannot make most of the plays the computer makes.

I appreciate when they added trying to catch the ball in the outfield while the target/ball is moving, but because fielding for the most part is so animated driven (which is another issue), if your fielder doesn't go into animation, catching fly balls becomes an adventure. Balls off the wall and near the wall, without your fielder going into animation.... oh the joy.

In terms of infield play, a year or two ago, they finally corrected the situation with pitchers fielding bunts and hits with quicker animations, and ridding the animation with long steps in the wrong direction before throwing the ball. Now this needs to be corrected for catchers, and more importantly shortstops. More times than not, there is no sense of urgency from the two.

[BL8001]

Re: Defensive A.I. in this game is atrocious

Pitcher must first think to backup throws to any base.

All they need to do is get in line, as deep as sensible, behind the bag where the throw will occur.

With nobody on base the pitcher needs to hustle over to trail cover to first on balls hit to the right side, either backing up the throw in or covering the base if the 1st baseman has been pulled off.

A pitcher should always get off the mound on any ball hit but you see so many times where they don't.

Along with pitcher duties, here is a nice article on outfield responsibilities

http://probaseballinsider.com/baseball-instruction/outfield/outfield-backing-up-plays/

[Padgoi]

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I just find it funny how certain developers conveniently fail to post in this topic that has clear-cut video evidence, yet they'll post in every other topic that doesn't have videos asking for videos.

And for those of you saying they're on vacation, perhaps they shouldn't have released what appears to be an incomplete product before going on vacation.

The first basemen not covering the bag is akin to NBA 2K15 being released where the basket disappears on fastbreaks and you literally cannot score. And the tag bug where fielders don't apply tags and runners are safe is akin to shooting a 3-pointer and drilling it, but the game not counting the bucket because the scorekeeper wasn't watching the shot.

I know many of you hate people who call developers out, but when you charge $65 per year for a new game and the new game is incomplete, it's simply not acceptable.

[nemesis04]

Re: Defensive A.I. in this game is atrocious

It's been atrocious for some time now. There is a reason a lot of guys go with auto fielding. Simply put, the user cannot make most of the plays the computer makes.

I actually disagree the AI in past versions has been pretty good as far as being in the right place at the right time. This is the first year I am seeing people post vids of the CPU being out of position wih regularity.

Also, with regards to fielding I can do everything the CPU can do. Understanding the animations and branch points to get the most out of your catches and throws is key.

[Joey]

Re: Defensive A.I. in this game is atrocious

Just because they don't post in a thread doesn't necessarily mean they aren't aware of a problem and working on a fix.

I just find it funny how certain developers conveniently fail to post in this topic that has clear-cut video evidence, yet they'll post in every other topic that doesn't have videos asking for videos.

And for those of you saying they're on vacation, perhaps they shouldn't have released what appears to be an incomplete product before going on vacation.

The first basemen not covering the bag is akin to NBA 2K15 being released where the basket disappears on fastbreaks and you literally cannot score. And the tag bug where fielders don't apply tags and runners are safe is akin to shooting a 3-pointer and drilling it, but the game not counting the bucket because the scorekeeper wasn't watching the shot.

I know many of you hate people who call developers out, but when you charge $65 per year for a new game and the new game is incomplete, it's simply not acceptable.

[Padgoi]

Re: Defensive A.I. in this game is atrocious

You missed the entire point of my post. I'm not saying they aren't aware of it or aren't working on it, I'm sure they are. It would be nice though if they didn't go into only those topics without video evidence and shoot down anyone who doesn't have video evidence and actually go into threads with clear evidence and let people know they are aware of the problem and are working on it. It's called having respect for the people who buy your product and letting them know that their complaints aren't falling on deaf ears.

[nomo17k]

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You missed the entire point of my post. I'm not saying they aren't aware of it or aren't working on it, I'm sure they are. It would be nice though if they didn't go into only those topics without video evidence and shoot down anyone who doesn't have video evidence and actually go into threads with clear evidence and let people know they are aware of the problem and are working on it. It's called having respect for the people who buy your product and letting them know that their complaints aren't falling on deaf ears.

This forum isn't really intended to be where they provide their customer services though. The participation is entirely voluntary, so neither side owe the other side anything. We are only lucky that there is a real channel of communication, but we shouldn't take that for granted. It can be cut away at any moment.

[Padgoi]

Re: Defensive A.I. in this game is atrocious

This forum isn't really intended to be where they provide their customer services though. The participation is entirely voluntary, so neither side owe the other side anything. We are only lucky that there is a real channel of communication, but we shouldn't take that for granted. It can be cut away at any moment.

Yes, and so too can our purchases. Nowadays almost every gaming company has some type of an avenue of interaction. And while it is voluntary, it's also with a purpose, that is to get more sales for future iterations of the game. You put out a quality product, you get future sales. You interact with your customer base, you get more sales. They actually do have an enormous benefit to coming here and discussing their product with their clientele base.

[nemesis04]

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Yes, and so too can our purchases. Nowadays almost every gaming company has some type of an avenue of interaction. And while it is voluntary, it's also with a purpose, that is to get more sales for future iterations of the game. You put out a quality product, you get future sales. You interact with your customer base, you get more sales. They actually do have an enormous benefit to coming here and discussing their product with their clientele base.

They have an official forum which is not here. I think their bug system is very organized on the site with updated progress and comments. It was stated very early on that is where they will focus on bug progress. I don't expect them visiting every forum updating progress.

[Bobhead]

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In plays like shown above the first basemen has no chance at getting back to receive the throw

That's an EXERCISE. The goal is to give 4 different fielders a chance to practice various things at the same time in an efficient manner (instead of needing 4 different drills). The exercise is not at all meant to emulate a single real life scenario, but rather, 3 separate motions in one. The pitcher is practicing his covering of first and receiving a throw. The first baseman is practicing the fielding of a ball and the delivering of a throw. The second baseman (or shortstop, w/e) is practicing the catching of a throw and the returning of a throw, for a possible double play.

Don't look at it as one play, but as 3 drills happening at once. The alternative would be the team running a standard double play drill while everyone else stands and does nothing, then a pitcher drill while everyone else stands and does nothing, etc... The more drills that can be combined into one system, the more efficient and productive the entire training process becomes.

As Kehlis said, the pitcher being involved in a double play is EXTREMELY rare.

[YeOldTonk]

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Playing RTTS as a 1st baseman. Bases loaded, no outs. Ball hard hit to me, I charge and fire to the catcher. Figuring I was happy with getting the lead runner and stopping the run coming in. After getting the out at home, the catcher proceeds to fire back to first base to the pitcher covering and by a half a step get the 3-2-1 double play!

I was impressed.