Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

[Smallville102001]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

We are tuning bunting again the for the next patch.

You guys are always on the ball with ever thing.

[CujoMatty]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

While I don't know about CPU vs CPU games I don't do those but I know people have been talking about this a lot with normal CPU vs user games a lot on hear. I do see the success to high but I don't see the CPU doing it in crazy situations like ever one else.

Its not so much the situations where the cpu bunts that bothers me although it could be better. The bigger problem is the success rate. The fact that the cpu lays down good to great bunts on the first pitch feels cheap. If it missed or fouled off the first attempt or pulled back on a pitch out of the zone sometimes then layed down a good to great bunt I would probably be able to deal with it. The fact that every bunt I've seen is on the first pitch and laid down succesfully (and by that I don't mean for a hit but just in play up the baselines) makes me feel like I'm getting jobbed. I'm glad they are working on it though.

[HouseKeepinItReal]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

This is like saying that anyone that knows how to drive a go-cart can race in NASCAR, or anyone that's good at Putt Putt could drop 15 footers at Augusta.


Anyway, on topic: I agree that the bunting tuning should probably be tuned down a little bit. It's a little too easy to lay down a great sac bunt for a user. However, I rarely see the CPU try and bunt on me and if they do I haven't noticed any glaring cheese going on. Maybe it's because I have Sal Perez behind the plate and he hoses everyone.

that is a stretch. bunting a 80 mph fastball from a machine that you cannot time plus the fact i have never layed down a bunt in my entire life, let alone i haven't played baseball since i was 13. i was batting from my opposite side and doing it with ease. so a professional who is devoted should not have a problem AND besides the people who argued against me now are saying it is more of a defensive shift problem, which is very close to what i was getting to. oh and now the developers are re-tuning the bunting again. go figure.

[ManiacMatt1782]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

If you offline guys are having an issue with bunts, you woul loathe plyng online.

[CujoMatty]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

that is a stretch. bunting a 80 mph fastball from a machine that you cannot time plus the fact i have never layed down a bunt in my entire life, let alone i haven't played baseball since i was 13. i was batting from my opposite side and doing it with ease. so a professional who is devoted should not have a problem AND besides the people who argued against me now are saying it is more of a defensive shift problem, which is very close to what i was getting to. oh and now the developers are re-tuning the bunting again. go figure.

13? *facepalm*
I swear you keep trying to stir the pot in here.
defensive shift is only part of it and it's been made clear numerous times in this thread with videos showing that it's way too easy for the cpu to bunt. SCEA obviously agrees hence they are tuning it. I have never in my life seen a 13 year old or even a mlb player lay down great bunts on the first pitch out of the strike zone or not with ease.
I coached my sons baseball team when he was 13 and bunting was a very hard fundamental too teach.

[rjackson]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

that is a stretch. bunting a 80 mph fastball from a machine that you cannot time plus the fact i have never layed down a bunt in my entire life, let alone i haven't played baseball since i was 13. i was batting from my opposite side and doing it with ease. so a professional who is devoted should not have a problem AND besides the people who argued against me now are saying it is more of a defensive shift problem, which is very close to what i was getting to. oh and now the developers are re-tuning the bunting again. go figure.

Here is irrefutable evidence for you:
"But I’ve never seen bunt success rates before, and I wasn’t expecting 50%. That’s a pretty low success rate, for bunts that aren’t even necessarily successful." That's 50% just being in fair territory.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...ers=0&sort=5,d

[kiongcc]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

I just played the braves and Eric Young bunted all four times he was up to bat. Was stupid! Needs to be resolved.

[bcruise]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

For what it's worth, Yadi Molina just attempted to bunt runners to 2nd and 3rd with nobody out in the 7th and the Cardinals trailing by a run. Bunted foul twice, swung away with 2 strikes and popped up into an out.

It happens, even with guys when are considered good hitters. The situation is everything.

The success rate is, of course, another matter entirely.

[countryboy]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

We are tuning bunting again the for the next patch.

This concerns me a bit because I don't want the cpu to lose its aggressiveness.


I'm curious as to what defense people are playing and what pitches they are throwing in these situations. I'm curious as well as to whether or not people are falling into a pattern when pitching. There are so many variables that are in play when it comes to anything in baseball that it usually not a cut and dry issue within the video game.

I can't help but wonder if the cpu being aggressive and not passive as in years past is frustrating people and instead of thinking each situation through, they are hurriedly trying to get through the storm and falling into patterns and thus causing themselves grief.

Maybe there is an issue with success rate. Maybe the cpu is too aggressive. I don't know. But in my experience with this game, bunting/cpu aggressiveness is actually fine.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

I use auto defense. Last night I was in the 10th with the red sox. I walked the leadoff guy.
Next Pedrioa bunted perfectly for a hit. Next hitter Ortiz bunted for a hit. I pitched out first pitch to Hanley....no bunt. Next pitch squeeze and run scored.

So I'm not sure if it due to auto defense alignment or what? But I do see alot of Bunting by hitters that don't bunt normally. .3-5 hitter. A high base hit rate off them and roo many squeeze plays.

[shark547]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

Haha! I had only seen a few until I played the Reds. They just beat me by having 5 perfect bunt hits in 2 innings.....I was powerless to stop them. I play on autofielding....

[CujoMatty]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

This concerns me a bit because I don't want the cpu to lose its aggressiveness.


I'm curious as to what defense people are playing and what pitches they are throwing in these situations. I'm curious as well as to whether or not people are falling into a pattern when pitching. There are so many variables that are in play when it comes to anything in baseball that it usually not a cut and dry issue within the video game.

I can't help but wonder if the cpu being aggressive and not passive as in years past is frustrating people and instead of thinking each situation through, they are hurriedly trying to get through the storm and falling into patterns and thus causing themselves grief.

Maybe there is an issue with success rate. Maybe the cpu is too aggressive. I don't know. But in my experience with this game, bunting/cpu aggressiveness is actually fine.

I can't speak for everyone but for me the issue solely is success rate. I don't really have issues with the cpu bunting in the situations they do but it's literally 98 percent succesfully done on the first pitch regardless of in the strike zone or not and no matter which pitch type.

Out of i dunno even how many times, let's say 50, I have never seen the cpu foul a bunt. Ive seen a couple takes then a bunt but not many of that either.

I just lost again in the 14th inning last night on a suicide squeeze first pitch out of the zone.

[Bullit]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

The very few bunts that the CPU has tried against me I have thrown them out every time except Billy Hamilton who ran it out, but since he is actually the Flash I figure he can do that.

Do you guys change you defense, or strategies at all. I do not use auto fielding at all and never will. I don't know buy I am just not seeing this as even a potential issue of concern in my franchise.

[countryboy]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

The very few bunts that the CPU has tried against me I have thrown them out every time except Billy Hamilton who ran it out, but since he is actually the Flash I figure he can do that.

Do you guys change you defense, or strategies at all. I do not use auto fielding at all and never will. I don't know buy I am just not seeing this as even a potential issue of concern in my franchise.

I am wondering if auto defense is the culprit here. As you Bullit, I don't use auto fielding and I haven't seen near the issues that are being talked about on the forums in regards to bunting. I change my defense based on the situation, even move individual fielders based on how I anticipate to pitch to a hitter.

[Bobhead]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

I am wondering if auto defense is the culprit here.

There might be something to this. (I assume you mean auto-positioning, not auto fielding). I let the CPU set my alignments as well, and yet I continue to see a lot of bunts. And our main evidence is nomo's CPU vs CPU games, and the CPU is obviously the one setting the alignments in CPU vs CPU games, also.

So maybe the problem is not the bunting frequency, but the CPU's willingness to expect/defend a bunt?

I'm tied up with finals right now so I can't get any games in... but I'd be interested in seeing the results of a few games played with the defense permanently set to "bunt defense"