Scouting Doesn't Matter?

[bigd51]

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Wish they'd take a year or two and just focus on the general managing and nothing else.

Franchise Mode feels like it's just slapped on. No depth. No realism. No fun.

I'm starting to feel the same way, but I wouldn't say it doesn't have any depth or realism. Compared to Madden, franchise mode is much deeper and more realistic. That's the only game I have to compare though, because I'm not much for the other sports games outside of The Show and Madden. Me personally, I learned from the ground up how the offseason basically works in MLB just off the handbook and strategy guide given to us by The Show team.

If they fix the scouting, improve the player progression over a length of time, and improve how the CPU handles it's player management, It would go a long way. They have a good baseline (no pun intended) for franchise, now they just need to fine tune it. Give us something new or remodel it if you have to. Just something fresher than the same Franchise I've seen for 3 years now. Great work, just needs improvements.

[forme95]

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I dont do 30 team control, but I like the idea of not scouting. SO if I turn my scouting off, will the cpu have a advantage because they still will scout?

By turning off scouting, how do you do that? Do you set it to manual, and just not scout anyone?

[bobloblah1980]

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I also noticed that all the blue chip guys were in the draft pool, so something definitely happens when you don't scout new guys.

The Blue Chippers are still there when you discover just the "new guys" tend to push them down the Potential list that's all

[bigd51]

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I dont do 30 team control, but I like the idea of not scouting. SO if I turn my scouting off, will the cpu have a advantage because they still will scout?

By turning off scouting, how do you do that? Do you set it to manual, and just not scout anyone?

Computer will not have more of an advantage. I'd say that you will have more than them. Just set scouting to manual, assign your scouts ZERO objectives, and come draft time, all the prospects with full bars (blue chip) and completely empty bars (players you didn't scout or discover) will have an exact current and potential rating. To put it simply, all players with completely empty bars essentially serve the same purpose as blue-chip, fully scouted prospects are; you know exactly what you're getting.

Also, since there's really no need for good scouts, remember you can save some budget money by hiring the cheapest scouts available.

[forme95]

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Computer will not have more of an advantage. I'd say that you will have more than them. Just set scouting to manual, assign your scouts ZERO objectives, and come draft time, all the prospects with full bars (blue chip) and completely empty bars (players you didn't scout or discover) will have an exact current and potential rating. To put it simply, all players with completely empty bars essentially serve the same purpose as blue-chip, fully scouted prospects are; you know exactly what you're getting.

Also, since there's really no need for good scouts, remember you can save some budget money by hiring the cheapest scouts available.

Ok Thanks for the advice.

[Jr.]

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The Blue Chippers are still there when you discover just the "new guys" tend to push them down the Potential list that's all

Still there as in, entering the draft? If so, that's not true at all. Just had a draft last night where the best blue chip prospect didn't show up. I restarted 8 times and he never entered.

[KBLover]

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Computer will not have more of an advantage. I'd say that you will have more than them. Just set scouting to manual, assign your scouts ZERO objectives, and come draft time, all the prospects with full bars (blue chip) and completely empty bars (players you didn't scout or discover) will have an exact current and potential rating. To put it simply, all players with completely empty bars essentially serve the same purpose as blue-chip, fully scouted prospects are; you know exactly what you're getting.

Also, since there's really no need for good scouts, remember you can save some budget money by hiring the cheapest scouts available.

I will have to try this in my franchises.

[NDAlum]

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The Blue Chippers are still there when you discover just the "new guys" tend to push them down the Potential list that's all

Yea I agree with Jr. on this one. I made sure to scroll down in the past and it was difficult to get blue chip guys in bulk in the draft class. I would restart 15-20 times...if not more.

Here are my draft results: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1398846298

Go to the MLB Draft tab to see the first two rounds. I simmed rounds 3-7 to make sure I didn't have an unfair advantage. The 80+ POT guys were pretty much all gone when round 2 wrapped up.

[bobloblah1980]

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Yea I agree with Jr. on this one. I made sure to scroll down in the past and it was difficult to get blue chip guys in bulk in the draft class. I would restart 15-20 times...if not more.

Here are my draft results: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1398846298

Go to the MLB Draft tab to see the first two rounds. I simmed rounds 3-7 to make sure I didn't have an unfair advantage. The 80+ POT guys were pretty much all gone when round 2 wrapped up.

Hmm.. That's really weird because I drafted a couple now including my franchise CF and a starter as well...Are You guys discovering more than 12 days?

[NDAlum]

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I use 30-team control and set all 30 teams to MANUAL scouting. I then don't discover anybody for any team so the only people on my scout screen are the "blue chip" prospects with the blue circle.

When I go into the draft every single player has their true ratings displayed.

I then drafted for all 30-teams by team need/best player available. It was quite fun to do it this way. On the sheet you'll see that I snagged a 71 OVR 81 POT CF in Round 2 pick #2. Yea he looks good but it's not that amazing plus the POT is low and defense is just average. The real inner struggle was the pick before because that's the catcher I really wanted. Great offensive ratings plus an 80+ arm. It was a pick the Diamondbacks just had to make so I drafted him for them. I had the #2 overall pick and that LF AZ took #1 is going to be an All-Star in the league.

[Jr.]

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Hmm.. That's really weird because I drafted a couple now including my franchise CF and a starter as well...Are You guys discovering more than 12 days?

I did this season because I forgot. I am using the method that Fours posted in the future where I just discover those types of players for a few days and that's it.

[xcgjh]

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Except you are "cheating". The CPU doesnt get to know who is the best. So why should you?

[plak89]

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Just curious why you guys want to know the true OVR and POT for incoming players? Wouldn't it be more fun/realistic to not be sure what you're getting? A la real life?

[Jr.]

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Just curious why you guys want to know the true OVR and POT for incoming players? Wouldn't it be more fun/realistic to not be sure what you're getting? A la real life?

Mostly because the CPU doesn't draft well, so being able to pick players for them will ensure they remain competitive in the future.

[tessl]

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The word oblivious got quite a reaction since it's usually used as a way to insult someone.. I'm going to assume you used it meaning that people who don't use 30 team control aren't concerned with the depth of, or are capable of ignoring/excusing the bizarre decisions that AI GM's make.

I can't enjoy 30 team control because I feel like I'm competing against myself. Maybe it depends on how you prioritize the franchise experience - Are you competing inside a virtual league with the goal of out-building other franchises, or is it just about a never ending cascade of games to play and multi year stat/accomplishment tracking?

You should probably say something like "I would have to be completely oblivious to play that way." Since you can only speak to the things that you want to get out of the game mode.

As for the best method.. It seems to be limited scouting - no pitchers, no contact/power discovery. Then fully scout your group of 30-40 discovered players. This adds prospect variety, and doesn't overflow as much as full discovery. Using 30 team control it would be quite labor intensive, and create too many prospects. I would say use manual scouting, auto draft, and the CPU teams will select players based on their exact overall-potential. It won't be a blind draft from what I know, but I've never done it, so if you do, let us know?

I agree, 30 team control defeats the purpose of playing the game for me. I want to control one franchise and beat the CPU. I don't want to be the commissioner.

Unfortunately with carry over franchise if you don't use 30 team control you are automatically forced into GM mode. The whole reason for wanting to carry over my franchise is to continue building the team I started. Good example of appeasing one group of users messing up the game for another group of users.

Thanks for the info on the draft, I have played the game for a long time but didn't realize the draft worked like this. I don't sim anything and since carry over franchise is broken I haven't progressed far enough to get deep into future years. One thing I can guarantee, I have started over with a new franchise for the last time. If they want my money next year they need to fix carry over saves.